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Author Topic: Magnets, motion and measurement  (Read 92781 times)

Offline ayeaye

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #510 on: March 19, 2020, 11:39:06 AM »
3 thumbs up

Citfta,

You can of course express your hostility towards me. I have been called names and whatever, much worse than that, because of science, and programming. Finally it appeared that they all were wrong, but it seems to be a human behavior towards all new and yet unknown to them. It looks like that this is what all should go through, who want to find something new. You find out about the people who did, they tell that this was the case, i last heard that Robbert Schoch told that, you name it. This continues until all are tired of this, and finally realize that it makes no sense.

Your statement makes no sense, btw, human has two thumbs, where do you take the third? Ayeaye has no thumbs, btw, and god also has only fingers and not thumbs, by scriptures at least.


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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #511 on: March 19, 2020, 01:09:12 PM »
Ayeaye,


I have NO hostility towards you.  Just because I do not agree with your actions does not mean I am your enemy.  In fact I have tried to be very respectful in my requests for you to stop polluting this thread with your posts.  I am having a hard time understanding why you can't see that continually posting your objections to this thread is not only rude but also disrespectful to those that are trying to experiment and possibly learn something.


I think we all understand you do not agree with the conclusions that Floor, Norman and myself are coming to.  You have made that very clear multiple times.  WE GET IT!  But we are tired of hearing it over and over again.


Three thumbs up is an expression in my part of the country that just means we agree with someone or something.


Again, respectfully,
Carroll

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #512 on: March 19, 2020, 01:19:11 PM »
I have NO hostility towards you.  Just because I do not agree with your actions does not mean I am your enemy.  In fact I have tried to be very respectful in my requests for you to stop polluting this thread with your posts.  I am having a hard time understanding why you can't see that continually posting your objections to this thread is not only rude but also disrespectful to those that are trying to experiment and possibly learn something.

You are expressing the weird behavior like some people do, they shake their head when they are supposed to nod. Or your logic is broken. Yes you assured me again that you are hostile towards me, i knew that already, no need to do that again and again.

I have not seen any respect from you, sorry. Except you saying that you have it, but the rest that you say tells the direct opposite.

I have expressed respect towards you, where i have seen it proper. That you were the first who measured magnets with scales, that your bench was very well made. And that you are trying to research overunity, i'm certainly one who knows that it's not easy. But you disregard all that and try to discredit me in every possible way.

I don't want to hear more broken logic from you, sorry. It is not possible to argue against broken logic.


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« Reply #512 on: March 19, 2020, 01:19:11 PM »
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Offline norman6538

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #513 on: March 19, 2020, 03:38:44 PM »
Floor's numbers very much agree with mine. It is very clear that it takes very little to elicit the magnetic twist which will lift a weight but when the magnets are twisted they attract and that is the sticky spot. In order to repeat the cycle the magnets have to be separated and back to 90 degrees and that takes a good bit of work. But that work can be reduced greatly with several tricks. If you try to brute force pull them apart it will take almost the same amount of work as the first step in the cycle generated. So you need a "closer stronger compensator". For those skilled in the art there are numerous ways to make the "closer stronger compensator". But since I have had to work entirely alone with almost no encouragement I will keep those ways to myself for now. That statement makes me very sad.

For example I have an engineer neighbor who I described the magnetic twist to and he said he'd come and see it tomorrow. As you can guess tomorrow was over a week ago and he never came.

Folks Floor is on to something and no one has even tried my simple coffee cup machine and reported back. 
 
 Norman, a very sad day it is.

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #514 on: March 19, 2020, 04:03:48 PM »
It is very clear that it takes very little to elicit the magnetic twist which will lift a weight but when the magnets are twisted they attract and that is the sticky spot. In order to repeat the cycle the magnets have to be separated and back to 90 degrees and that takes a good bit of work.

If you mean, approach, twist, then separate, and twist back, in the Coulomb model there is no overunity in all that operation. Thus it has to be shown how it differs from the Coulomb model, and how this difference provides overunity, and then measure that there is a gain of energy. If this is not done, then i don't know how this setup can be good. I don't say that there cannot be overunity though, as can be in so many things.

But i have a setup where i measured that it has a gain of energy, this is replicated, the results are confirmed, and it is also explained what is the difference from the Coulomb model there, and how it causes a gain of energy. Thus there is a reason to use my setup.

I though wish success to Floor and you, to succeed in getting overunity the way you try. But i recommend to think it through, how differences from the Coulomb model may cause overunity there, and change the setup if necessary, so that they do.

Maybe it works better in the opposite way, approach when magnets are straight and opposite, then twist and separate?


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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #515 on: March 21, 2020, 06:17:39 PM »
@ all readers

Electronics was an elective subject  I took in school.  Back then they still began such courses with teaching about static electric charge interactions (It's been a while). I don't think there is such a thing, at least not formally, as the "Coulomb model".  I didn't  Wiki Pedia it though.   With out looking it up, and while omitting the specifics.

The Coulomb is a unit of measurement.  1 Coulomb = a very very large number of electrons. 
1 Coulomb of electrons moving past a given point  in a conductor, in 1 second of time = 1 Ampere of electrical current.

Without being goaded into making some kind of denial as to what that definition is,  nor
that electric charges of opposite polarities attract and so on, nor the concept that from a THEORETICAL POINT SOURCE,  Coulomb force diminishes with distance as the inverse of the square of that distance  I just have to say.

Look at this PDF files if you wish...
     Note that these are parts of a work in progress and please do not redistribute them at this time.


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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #516 on: March 21, 2020, 06:54:53 PM »
Coulomb force diminishes with distance as the inverse of the square of that distance  I just have to say.

Yes. Read the Wikipedia article about Charles-Augustin de Coulomb  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles-Augustin_de_Coulomb

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He discovered first an inverse relationship of the force between electric charges and the square of its distance and then the same relationship between magnetic poles. Later these relationships were named after him as Coulomb's law.

This about the magnetic poles is the Coulomb model for magnets. Later it was found that the magnetic poles don't always have exactly such relationship between the force and distance (Gauss equation). That provides a perfectly spherical field. Nevertheless, this model has been used also after that for magnets, in the simplified cases.

The importance of that model for overunity, is that there cannot be overunity in the magnets setup that works exactly by the Coulomb model. Because no matter how many poles there are or how they move, exiting a spherical field by whatever path from a certain point, requires exactly the same energy that was created by entering the field up to that point by whatever path. And this is  true for all interacting pairs of poles separately, thus there also cannot be overunity in the setup as a whole, no matter how magnets move or rotate.

Thus, for there to be overunity, there have to be differences in the setup from the Coulomb model for magnets. Finding these differences enables to find how and in what direction they may provide overunity, and thus make a setup that has overunity as a whole.

PS Floor, i'm sorry but i cannot read your pdf files, as on my computer they appear as some kind of bin files, and there is no way to open them in any way.


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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #517 on: March 21, 2020, 06:59:22 PM »
Coulombs electrostatic force law and model(ling)


https://chem.libretexts.org/Courses/Oregon_Institute_of_Technology/OIT%3A_CHE_202_-_General_Chemistry_II/Unit_2%3A_Electrons_in_Atoms/2.1%3A_Coulomb's_Law_and_the_Electrostatic_Potential


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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #518 on: March 21, 2020, 08:02:27 PM »
Thanks Floor for your clearly presented documents.  The illustrations are clear and very helpful.  I appreciate the effort it takes to create documents that nicely presented.


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« Reply #519 on: March 21, 2020, 09:18:27 PM »

PS Floor, i'm sorry but i cannot read your pdf files, as on my computer they appear as some kind of bin files, and there is no way to open them in any way.
For some unknown reason, the Admin of this forum has changed something in the software settings and the attachments can be downloaded only by Chrome or Explorer (these two are the ones I tested)  but when someone has Firefox browser for instance, the attachments download without any file extension and with a much different file name, as you mentioned them as some kind of bin files. The number of the bytes (file size) remain unchanged, only the name changes and the original file extension is cut.

You can do the followings:
Simply copy the original file name and Rename your downloaded bin_file_looking file to the original one, then you can open it as a normal pdf file.

Or use one of the above mentioned two web browsers, both downloaded the two pdf files correctly for me.

This happens not only with pdf but picture files too, but using one of the two methods mentioned above, they can be downloaded.

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« Reply #520 on: March 21, 2020, 09:55:46 PM »
Hi Gyula,


I don't think it was the admin that changed things.  After Firefox did an "upgrade" last year I found several things no longer worked right not only with this forum but also some of the weather sites I go to.  I don't like Chrome because they are part of Google and want to track everything you do.  I found a browser called "Brave" that seems to work really well and they insist they do not track anything and have settings you can change to protect your privacy in other ways also.  All extensions and plug-ins that work with Chrome also work with Brave.  I have been using it for several months now and am pretty pleased with it.


Take care,
Carroll

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« Reply #521 on: March 21, 2020, 10:01:39 PM »
Okay Carroll, your observations are surely correct and then it is the Firefox to blame.  I heard about the Google Chrome as being too 'nosy'.
Thanks mentioning the "Brave" browser. 

Greetings 
Gyula

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #522 on: March 22, 2020, 01:01:57 AM »
Ayeaye  said

PS Floor, i'm sorry but i cannot read your pdf files, as on my computer they appear as some kind of bin files, and there is no way to open them in any way.

   I saved them adding .pdf and then they work.

I made some concept teaching devices today. Do you think it would be worthwhile to upload them or will  they just fall on deaf ears? - photos and short videos.

Norman

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #523 on: March 23, 2020, 12:22:46 AM »
Adoby Reader is my computer's default for PDF files.


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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #524 on: March 23, 2020, 12:26:49 AM »
@Norman 6538

Your observations / opinions have been / are  welcome.

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