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### Author Topic: Magnets, motion and measurement  (Read 131825 times)

#### kolbacict

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##### Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #480 on: March 06, 2020, 08:20:17 AM »
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I built my first two test benches, just to examine the differences between sliding, twisting and directly pulling magnets from each other.
And does this difference exist?

#### ayeaye

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##### Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #481 on: March 06, 2020, 12:26:37 PM »
When entering the field until the neutral position by one path, and exiting by another path, has different energy, then this is because of non-Coulomb irregularity, a kind of asymmetry. Twisting is also a part of the path of the poles.

But you saying that they are also Newton magnets makes it all void, because Newton model is the same as Coulomb model, the only difference is how one calls it.

And when in addition you are saying that you are not into research of asymmetry, well, then in effect it seems to mean that what you are doing has nothing to do with overunity.

One should understand what is the Coulomb model, one may also call it Newton model  https://web.archive.org/web/20100709205321/http://geophysics.ou.edu/solid_earth/notes/mag_basic/mag_basic.html . A rectangular magnet or magnet with any shape with two poles, is modeled by two point-shape poles, both having completely spherical field. Because the fields of all poles of all magnets are perfectly spherical, entering and exiting the field of any pole has always the same energy, no matter how many magnets there are, what is their shape or positions, or how they move. For that reason there cannot be overunity in the Coulomb model.

#### lancaIV

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##### Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #482 on: March 06, 2020, 01:14:19 PM »
And does this difference exist?

Ideal body = sphere  to square body

Mono - versus dipol

Inside/outside versus N/S
Physics is based by geometrical and arithmetical thinking : RAUM/SPACE - ZEIT/TIME
Gauss "volume/area" x time to " Ampere law"

permanent/periodic : also our SUN ( die Sonne) hat ihre Periode(n) ( luna-/female menustration period)

#### kolbacict

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##### Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #483 on: March 06, 2020, 02:50:34 PM »
.Impossible to delete my own message?

p.s. https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6wfk0d
We have these videos blocked.

#### ayeaye

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##### Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #484 on: March 06, 2020, 03:42:30 PM »
p.s. https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6wfk0d
We have these videos blocked.

Too bad, get a free VPN. I tried, it doesn't play through proxy, maybe someone succeeds to do that. I can watch it. Otherwise, dailymotion may not be a good place for these videos.

#### Floor

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##### Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #485 on: March 07, 2020, 06:14:46 PM »
It gets stranger

Ideal body = sphere  to square body

Mono - versus dipol

Inside/outside versus N/S
Physics is based by geometrical and arithmetical thinking : RAUM/SPACE - ZEIT/TIME
Gauss "volume/area" x time to " Ampere law"

permanent/periodic : also our SUN ( die Sonne) hat ihre Periode(n) ( luna-/female menustration period)

Hi LankaTV

Yes
Shape matters
very much

But I'm not sure what shape is optimal.
maybe square ?

Please find the attached PDF file

4 FILES
3 JPG
1 PDF

floor

#### ayeaye

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##### Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #486 on: March 07, 2020, 07:18:28 PM »
Why these magnets try to become parallel, this is perfectly explainable by the Coulomb model. Opposite poles attract. Nothing strange, no overunity.

#### lancaIV

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##### Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #487 on: March 08, 2020, 11:38:16 AM »
Why these magnets try to become parallel, this is perfectly explainable by the Coulomb model. Opposite poles attract. Nothing strange, no overunity.

JLNaudin Lab " push and pull" experiment and measure by a balance :
the difference between repulsion activity and attraction activity  !

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/2magpup.htm

You may notice that the tangential force is LESS THAN the axial repulsive force. This is confirmed by a computer simulation and calculation.

Is it on earth  same or more attractive to have the rotor vertical or horizontal  ? On Luna : 1/6 g  !

Permanent magnets have North + South polarisation  ( di-/bipolar) ! Electromagnets ? Dis-/advantage !?

From one rotor/stator on one shaft to multiple rotors/stators on one shaft  !
The poles a-/symetrical ratio on stator to rotor  ?

We can amplify each permanent magnet force by compression aerial  360° activity to 180° or 90° or less activity area :magnetic shielding

Wrapping the permanent magnets ( to matnetic diode) with em coils/foils and neutralize or amplify the pm output ! Dis-/advantage ?!

Does your "Coulomb model" ayeaye in controled manner respect all the differences here  ?

Is the decay force from Cobalt,Neodymium,Samarium included in your resulta  ?

Sincerely
OCWL

p.s.:

Radiactivity was discovered past Monsieur Coulomb his life !

Magnetism and Curie-temperature relationship ?

in german : https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coulomb universal or partial ? Only partial : electrostatics without magnetostatics ! Influenz as electrostatic induction !

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetostatics

#### ayeaye

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##### Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #488 on: March 08, 2020, 12:43:03 PM »
JLNaudin Lab " push and pull" experiment and measure by a balance :
the difference between repulsion activity and attraction activity  !

No, i mean that the fact itself that the magnet rotates so that it becomes parallel to the other magnet, doesn't by itself mean a difference from the Coulomb model. And doesn't mean that there is any overunity, because there cannot be any overunity in the Coulomb model.

On the drawing below is that rotation modeled by the Coulomb model. As one can see, there is nothing strange, the opposite poles just attract to each other and cause the rotation.

The Coulomb model of that setup looks like that. All poles are modeled only as points, no matter what shape they have, or how flat or wide they are. This point is theoretically a point with the greatest force inside the pole, that can be roughly the same as the center of gravity of the pole area.

All of these poles in the Coulomb model have a perfectly spherical field that decreases inverse of square of distance, just as the force of an electrostatic charge, or the gravity in the Newton theory.

This doesn't mean that there cannot be overunity in that setup, as you say Naudin found. But only when there are differences from the Coulomb model, that is non-Coulomb irregularities.

It was not shown by measurements or anyhow, that in that setup there are differences from the Coulomb model. The claim that two magnets rotating becoming parallel, is anyhow unusual, or may indicate any overunity, is simply wrong and doesn't make sense. This is all what i wanted to say.

#### lancaIV

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##### Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #489 on: March 08, 2020, 12:46:41 PM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell_stress_tensor

to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_force

to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass%E2%80%93energy_equivalence  right side ; the Minkowski model
There is FM = Frequency Modulation and AM= Amplitude Modulation and SM=  Space Modulation and TM= Time Modulation included,Makro-and Mikro- mono-/poly- dimensional

#### ayeaye

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##### Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #490 on: March 08, 2020, 12:59:12 PM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell_stress_tensor

to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_force

This is all about the Maxwell equations, for magnetism these differ from the Coulomb model, and it thus may be possible that also Maxwell equations show overunity in some setup.

Again, this is not what i said, i said that when something is explainable by the Coulomb model, then the mere fact of that happening doesn't mean that there is any overunity, or any possibility of overunity.

#### lancaIV

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##### Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #491 on: March 08, 2020, 01:09:48 PM »
Okay,but Coulomb model + Leon Foucault pendulum external influence ?
Pendulum variable  length( and thickness)  ~ two magnets variable distance ( and specific  material Gauss per volume)

Domain-sphere nano-distances effect !

Aligning from a permanent magnets compared aligning from an electromagnet with core or without ( air-core) !
MHD tube/channel to linear motor to "magic ring"( US Army,Leupold)

We are living in a Meta-material era ! Impossibilities making possible !
And Meta-effect on/off switch : a(b)-/normal  ! a(b)-/conventional

#### ayeaye

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##### Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #492 on: March 08, 2020, 01:41:48 PM »
Okay,but Coulomb model + Leon Foucault pendulum external influence ?

I don't think there would be any noticeable effect, But even if energy can be obtained from the Earth's rotation, that is not yet overunity.

But everything that differs from the Coulomb model, yes there is a possibility. As my experiment also shows, that is now replicated.

Coulomb was eating dinner. But he found that eating alone doesn't give him enough satisfaction. So he decided to create a model. The model he created is since then known as the Coulomb model.

#### lancaIV

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##### Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #493 on: March 08, 2020, 02:01:03 PM »
Royal Academie of Sciences,Paris/France : the members were often royal,part from the crown council ( Dukes,Earls,et cet.)
Beside Laplace,Ampere,Coulomb also an Biot and an Savart !
There has been a french thinker and "futurist",not-membered by this academy,whose claimed to have a water-motor concept,with an " impossible"- output result !
He got help by his final development of a real demontration-able prototype ,I do not know anymore by which : Biot or Savart  !?

There are virtual " ...... model"-s and there are physical "Think-Model"-Unikate/Prototypes !
And " Philologic House"- Haeretiker  !

Bon appetit  !

Salut
OCWL

p.s.: is there not a natural switch/spring-effect in action when you take a NS-Kompass/Bussola  ?
How useable/transformable in/as pm-em motor  ?

Heat pumps are now transformable to thermodynamic  cycle engines with PROCESS POWER OUTPUT ≥ 1
But yes, it is an ambiental environment interchange and conversion process =      open cycle = steady flow converter

# 488 : Coulomb - scheme : with two springs ( Lord Kelvin !) altered ?

bimetalic !
DE3047757 and DE3048277 usefull to incorporate  ? For laboratory experiments  = "model"

Internal cw or ccw angle velocity/ angle momentum versus external cw or ccw angle velocity/momentum :

a-/ synchron  = syntonization = in Resonanz-Stadium erbringen,Risc : Resonanz-Catastrophe
~ " gold melts in roomtemperature" Selbst-Zertruemmerung/material-volume-implosion

« Last Edit: March 08, 2020, 05:13:58 PM by lancaIV »

#### Floor

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##### Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #494 on: March 16, 2020, 08:53:55 PM »
The TD interactions when......

1. SL (sliding) is limited to from 0 to 22 deg. SL indicator scale.
2. RO  is limited to from 0 deg RO scale (a right angle to SL) to 30 deg
(off from Right angle).    Note SL is repelled from RO at 30 deg. RO.

cycle is
1. RO is at 30 deg. RO scale    while     SL is at 22 deg. SL scale.
2. weight is applied to SL pulley string in decreasing increments of weight.
3. simultaneously, 135 grams is lifted on the RO weight Pulley, from 30 to 0 deg.
RO scale.
4. RO and the 135 grams are latched at 0 deg. RO (right angle to SL.
5. SL is pulled back to 22 deg. SL while RO  remains at 0 deg. RO.
6. RO weight object falls 30 deg. RO. while SL remains at 22 deg. (SL scale).
This returns the RO  magnet to 30 deg (RO  scale).

yield around 40 % more work out than in.

floor