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Author Topic: Magnets, motion and measurement  (Read 87395 times)

Offline Floor

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #405 on: December 12, 2019, 09:42:23 PM »
I suspect that what you and Citfta show, is just an ordinary shielding. Magnets made of iron certainly also work as shields. Other magnets, depends on what exactly are they made of, even ceramic magnets can work as shields. If so, all this intricate interaction of poles, etc, is just unnecessary. What it's basically about is just putting a shield between two magnets, certainly the magnet that repelled before, then will not, rather it attracts to the shield. And no overunity or anything in it.

This is of course my opinion. I thought how such experiments look like in the Coulomb model, and i found that in that model one magnet cannot shield another. And then i though, wait a minute, does it happen in these experiments either, or is it just an ordinary shield between two magnets. If you disagree, you should show that the shield magnet there doesn't work as an ordinary shield.

Analytical thinking.

As you say "This is of course my opinion."

As I said, You have not understand the concepts presented here.

......
". But this magnetic shield device has an even greater problem of friction, moving the shield magnet forth and back is moving a long distance, and in spite it looks very little friction, when measured, it may be more than the positive energy. And, it is very difficult to make a continuously moving device based on that, and when done, this would add friction even much more. "

                           Not so

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6va1an
.................
"But we deal with the same, consider that, that's all due to the asymmetry of the magnetic field."

                            NO its not about asymmetry of the fields
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"I understand the disappointment, maybe finding that what you do is not really overunity, after you likely spent a lot of time and effort for that."
                     
                            I have had plenty of failed  O.U. attempts and accept those failures as learning experiences.
                            Your proclamation of not really O.U, doesn't make it so.  Fact is you don't know if any of this is O.U. or not.

                                             Please understand what I am saying here.                         

                          My disappointment is in your persistence in representing your self as if you had  read and understood the
                          concepts and devices I have presented in this topic.   Really... You've been off track all over the place.  You have
                          miss assumed half of what you have commented on.  This is no bueno, those misunderstandings misdirect
                          other readers / the topic its self.   

                       I hope I have gotten your attention.  Please be more careful in the future.
               respectfully
                     floor

           
                   






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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #405 on: December 12, 2019, 09:42:23 PM »

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #406 on: December 12, 2019, 10:21:47 PM »
                            NO its not about asymmetry of the fields

And how do you know?

If you claim that one field shields another field, this is a grandiose claim to make, and then you should also have at least some kind of theoretical explanation how one field can shield another field. And unless you really know it, i don't think that you can be sure that it doesn't involve asymmetry of the fields. Just a theoretical discussion, i don't see that you so far have shown that the effect in your and Citfta's experiments is anything else than ordinary shielding.

So your bench has a precision 4 grams. Not enough i think to measure the interaction of the shields that i talked about, as by my estimations the precision needed for that is 1/10 grams. What concerns the precision of the bench, also consider that friction greatly increases when there are forces between the magnets, and precision likely greatly decreases. Saying that, i think that your bench is a good and very well made device.

What concerns showing overunity, in case of interaction of magnets that i showed, all that is really necessary is to show that a magnet accelerates when it passes other magnet, no need in that case to measure forces. But this requires a very low friction, that may not be possible to achieve.

It is not only friction and too much energy necessary for moving with that friction in your and Citfta's experiments, it is worse. If it is just an ordinary shielding, then it shows no overunity, even when disregarding friction.

It would be great if you and Cifta can show that there is something else than ordinary shielding, and there is some overunity, really great. But as i see it, so far nothing shows that it is anything else than ordinary shielding in your experiments, no measurements or anything else show that this is not the case. Make no mistake, i were happy if any experiment really did show overunity, even when disregarding friction.

So far all i can do, is to try to measure the asymmetry of the forces in the magnet, the only feasible way i know so far to show overunity in magnets in a fully measurable way. But forces are too small, if my spring scales anyhow enable to do that, and i'm much too poor to get any more precise instruments.

Btw, you want me to see all your videos, but have you ever watched this video about my experiment  https://archive.org/details/Flcm3 ? I don't think so. And i showed elsewhere here, that this gain of energy is about asymmetry of the fields of the magnets, i also showed by a picture of iron filings such asymmetry on a magnet. This experiment was not fully measured, so no proof, true, but so are not your experiments.

« Last Edit: December 13, 2019, 07:37:05 AM by ayeaye »

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #407 on: December 13, 2019, 07:06:35 AM »
There are many ways in which one magnetic field can shield another.
The field of the earth shields the field of the moon.
The field of the ionosphere shields the field of the sun


This device shields in reverse, but the principal is exactly the same
https://youtu.be/bRDKOcfrI-Y

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #407 on: December 13, 2019, 07:06:35 AM »
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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #408 on: December 13, 2019, 07:34:28 AM »
The field of the earth shields the field of the moon.

Does it? When there is ebb on one side of the earth, there is tide on the opposite side of the earth, check it out. The moon's gravitational field therefore goes through the earth's gravitational field.


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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #409 on: December 13, 2019, 07:49:19 AM »
Does it? When there is ebb on one side of the earth, there is tide on the opposite side of the earth, check it out. The moon's gravitational field therefore goes through the earth's gravitational field.


At a distance, all magnetic fields permeate everything.
At close range, the dominant field rules the volume of space.


Just as our compasses point towards the North,
Instead of up at the moons greater magnetic field.


The smaller magnets around the ‘tractor beam’ dominate over the larger center magnet
until it gets in range, then the repulsion becomes effective.


If you get close enough to the moon your compass will point towards it.
There is a point in between where the 2 fields will balance out and there is equal attraction
and repulsion just like the ‘tractor beam’.


Reverse the tractor beam so you have repulsion outside and attraction inside.
With the proper proportions it works exactly the same.


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« Reply #409 on: December 13, 2019, 07:49:19 AM »
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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #410 on: December 13, 2019, 07:50:38 AM »
Well, I meant something like a Howard Johnson motor. And the declared asymmetry of the banana magnet. In its replication...
By the way, some motors have excellent bananas. ;)
p.s. It seems I just realized my mistake. My magnets have sharp ends with the same poles. And you need the various. :(

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #411 on: December 13, 2019, 08:09:17 AM »
Well, I meant something like a Howard Johnson motor. And the declared asymmetry of the banana magnet. In its replication...

I'm sorry but, all i see on that drawing is a complete symmetry, and there is no reason why the magnet should move in any particular direction.

Moon doesn't have magnetic field. Or i cannot say for certain that it has no magnetic field, but if it has any, it is very weak, even close to the moon.

The magnetic field decreases inverse of the square root of the distance, or close to that, so certainly the magnets nearer have a lot more force.


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« Reply #411 on: December 13, 2019, 08:09:17 AM »
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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #412 on: December 13, 2019, 10:10:27 AM »
Can I re-magnetize it?
So that the poles are lined up differently?
Using a current pulse in a powerful coil?

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #413 on: December 13, 2019, 10:21:35 AM »
Can I re-magnetize it?

With a powerful neodymium magnet you can i think. One taken from an old hard drive, maybe, or maybe it's not strong enough.


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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #414 on: December 13, 2019, 11:16:37 AM »
Does it? When there is ebb on one side of the earth, there is tide on the opposite side of the earth, check it out. The moon's gravitational field therefore goes through the earth's gravitational field.


Apparently you have never spent any time at the ocean.  High tides occur every 12 hours.  So when it is high tide on one side of the earth it is also high tide on the opposite side of the earth.

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #415 on: December 13, 2019, 11:22:35 AM »

At a distance, all magnetic fields permeate everything.
At close range, the dominant field rules the volume of space.


Just as our compasses point towards the North,
Instead of up at the moons greater magnetic field.


The smaller magnets around the ‘tractor beam’ dominate over the larger center magnet
until it gets in range, then the repulsion becomes effective.


If you get close enough to the moon your compass will point towards it.
There is a point in between where the 2 fields will balance out and there is equal attraction
and repulsion just like the ‘tractor beam’.


Reverse the tractor beam so you have repulsion outside and attraction inside.
With the proper proportions it works exactly the same.


The truth about the moon's magnetic field: [size=78%]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field_of_the_Moon[/size]




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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #416 on: December 13, 2019, 08:07:37 PM »
I've had magnets that have had their fields negated, but never pole reversal.
The field is the same ,but becomes much weaker.
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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #417 on: December 13, 2019, 11:10:22 PM »
By asymmetry i mean difference of the magnetic field near the pole, from spherical. In the Coulomb model and in an inverse square model of the magnetic field, the field is perfectly spherical near a pole. The Coulomb model is a model for electrostatic fields, but Coulomb model also means an inverse square model of a field, and such simplified model for a magnetic field.

One may say irregularity of a field. While in a way correct, one may argue that the magnetic field is completely regular, when it corresponds to the Gauss equation. But in spite of that, such field may not be completely spherical near a pole.

Thus i say asymmetry, meaning difference from the perfect symmetry of spherical, near the pole. I don't know how else to say that. By asymmetry i don't mean any asymmetry, but difference from the spherical symmetry provided by the Coulomb model. Should i say non-Coulomb asymmetry, non-Coulomb irregularity, or non-inverse-square asymmetry? That would sound a kind of inelegant.

By the Gauss equation, a part of the Maxwell equations, they changed peoples thinking the way that when the field lines are in loop, the magnetic field is regular. That is when we move by loops, all is regular, and it is normal to move by loops, and think about loops. But such field is not regular, when we move like by circle around the pole.


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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #418 on: December 18, 2019, 11:04:44 PM »
And how do you know?

I know because I understand it.  Its about balance between attracting and repelling forces giveing rise to
a net neutrality along some vectors.


"If you claim that one field shields another field, this is a grandiose claim to make,"

BS 

No this is Not what I have claimed.  You choice of words reveals your confusion / misunderstanding
in the matter.

"and then you should also have at least some kind of theoretical explanation how one field can shield another field. And unless you really know it, i don't think that you can be sure that it doesn't involve asymmetry of the fields. "

As I said..
your misunderstanding, Not mine.

"Just a theoretical discussion, i don't see that you so far have shown that the effect in your and Citfta's experiments
is anything else than ordinary shielding."

                             Your use of the that phrase "ordinary shielding", is inappropriate in that it relly has no meaning / you have given no
                             explanation of "it"

          There are several aspects to WHAT I CONSIDER "ordinary shielding"

Examples

                Force is redirected

1. a sword impacts upon a "shield". 
  a.The force of the sword arrives / contacts as its sharp edge. This is a large force concentrated into a small surface area.
  b.The rigidity of the shield prevents the sword from penetrating.  The force it receives from the sword is spread out over
    a larger surface on the shields opposite side, where it is contact with the shield bearers arm. 
                       Like these magnet interactions I present.

               Or force is "dampened"

2.  Due to the shields mass, there is a resistance of the shield to acceleration.  The force is decreased in its amount translated
     to the shield bearers arm, as compared to, in the absence of the shield (inertial dampening).
                                   Different from these magnet interactions I present.

"So your bench has a precision 4 grams. Not enough i think to measure the interaction of the shields that i talked about,"
 as by my estimations the precision needed for that is 1/10 grams. What concerns the precision of the bench, also consider that friction greatly increases when there are forces between the magnets, and precision likely greatly decreases. Saying that, i think that your bench is a good and very well made device."

OK

What concerns showing overunity, in case of interaction of magnets that i showed, all that is really necessary is to show that a magnet accelerates when it passes other magnet, no need in that case to measure forces. But this requires a very low friction, that may not be possible to achieve.

It is not only friction and too much energy necessary for moving with that friction in your and Citfta's experiments, it is worse. If it is just an ordinary shielding, then it shows no overunity, even when disregarding friction.

"It would be great if you and Cifta can show that there is something else than ordinary shielding, and there is some overunity, really great. But as i see it, so far nothing shows that it is anything else than ordinary shielding in your experiments, no measurements or anything else show that this is not the case. Make no mistake, i were happy if any experiment really did show overunity, even when disregarding friction."

So far all i can do, is to try to measure the asymmetry of the forces in the magnet, the only feasible way i know so far to show overunity in magnets in a fully measurable way. But forces are too small, if my spring scales anyhow enable to do that, and i'm much too poor to get any more precise instruments.

"Btw, you want me to see all your videos, but have you ever watched this video about my experiment  https://archive.org/details/Flcm3 ? I don't think so. And i showed elsewhere here, that this gain of energy is about asymmetry of the fields of the magnets, i also showed by a picture of iron filings such asymmetry on a magnet. This experiment was not fully measured, so no proof, true, but so are not your experiments."

I don't care if you watch  my videos or not, that is entirely up to you.
                              As I stated (3rd time now)  You have not understood these magnet interactions.

                                     The videos and drawings explain them to a large extent,
                                                 and give a basis for discussion.

What I care about is having an informed discussion.  I don't see that happening here with you.

                 With out your willingness to seek to understand them, There is no way, for a discussion of them.
                                  The" theory of their operation" is Newton's laws.

Ive done with all the magnet asymmetry  experiments for now, that I chose to explore, several years ago.
As you have said, not enough to over come friction / other problems.
     I wish you good luck and good hunting in your experiments.

 Please don't use this topic to attract comments to your experiments / Ideas.

                               DO YOUR OWN TOPIC AND PLEASE STAY OFF OF THIS ONE,
                          UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THAT, YOU HAVE SOME UNDERSTANDING OF IT.

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #419 on: December 19, 2019, 12:17:33 AM »
Can I re-magnetize it?
So that the poles are lined up differently?
Using a current pulse in a powerful coil?


Yes with a strong enough electromagnet you can reorient it

 

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