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Author Topic: Magnets, motion and measurement  (Read 101559 times)

Offline ayeaye

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #375 on: November 05, 2019, 06:41:22 PM »
The rest is in that thread  https://overunity.com/18288/power-from-repelling-magnets/60/  look at it, please do.


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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #376 on: November 22, 2019, 10:28:14 PM »
@ayeaye


Not based upon the same idea.

What I have been working on, is in some ways much simpler.

Watch these (my) videos linked below, and you my come to understand the methods.

https://overunity.com/18137/newtons-magnets/msg538553/#msg538553

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #377 on: November 23, 2019, 12:35:59 AM »
Not based upon the same idea.

What I have been working on, is in some ways much simpler.

I explained that even the shield magnet that Citfta used, cannot work by the Coulomb model, some asymmetry of the field is necessary for that to work too. By asymmetry i mean difference from the Coulomb model.


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« Reply #377 on: November 23, 2019, 12:35:59 AM »
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Offline kolbacict

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #378 on: November 23, 2019, 10:31:03 AM »
But such magnets fit as banana-shaped?
used in such motors.

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #379 on: November 23, 2019, 03:27:24 PM »
But such magnets fit as banana-shaped?

I don't know, the shape not necessarily increases asymmetry. But you may try, see the field of these magnets with iron filings. If you have an irregular shape magnet, cut a hole in the paper the shape of that magnet, put the paper at the proper height. Then you see the field lines on a certain plane, with iron filings.

« Last Edit: November 23, 2019, 06:35:04 PM by ayeaye »

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Offline ayeaye

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #380 on: November 23, 2019, 06:03:00 PM »
Floor, you and Citfta continue your work, and i would say the measurements show overunity. But this magnetic shield device has an even greater problem of friction, moving the shield magnet forth and back is moving a long distance, and in spite it looks very little friction, when measured, it may be more than the positive energy. And, it is very difficult to make a continuously moving device based on that, and when done, this would add friction even much more. Your linearly moving device on ball bearings is also difficult to make, my device requires only one ball bearing, which currently is one of the computer fan.

But we deal with the same, consider that, that's all due to the asymmetry of the magnetic field.


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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #381 on: November 23, 2019, 10:46:23 PM »
Ayeaye mentioned the long distance and that is exactly what I have found to be the biggest reason for efficiency less than 200%-300% because distance is a factor of the work out equation. While offline I made a list of my attempts and why they failed and distance was most frequent.

My wife had a long and successful surgery but I'm still dizzy and have to go to bed for several hours to get going some days but through all of this I have never fallen and some parts of the day are functional enough to get something small done like move the grass.

I have plans to resume my work any day unless we are able to travel for Thanksgiving for 6 days with family. I will use a variable lever/compensator to balance/compensate for the non linear attraction of the metal to repelling magnets to also compensate for the longer distance that the metal has to travel like Floor's machine.

I have felt for some time that a combination of the right things will made OU happen. The Finsrud device is an example of that with the ball and magnet and pendulum and gravity pushing the magnet down and kicking the pendulum.

I drool when I see Floor's precision device.

Peace to all. Life is not the same after you have been through serious medical trials.

Norman

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Offline ayeaye

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« Reply #382 on: November 25, 2019, 12:16:49 AM »
See the figure below, how can the shield magnet shield by the Coulomb model? By the Coulomb model a magnet is just two poles, both with a perfectly spherical field. And this is the only model that is symmetric. Say that the vertical N-S there is the shield magnet. You see that by that model there is nothing in between the north poles of two magnets, thus no shielding. When there is shielding, and evidently there is, then the fields must be somehow asymmetric, that is the fields of the poles must be different from spherical.

Ah, i'm sorry, this was not the shield magnet, the Citfta's was like this, was it?

S            S
     N  S
N            N

Anyway, you get an idea, in the Coulomb model there is nothing in between the repelling poles.

« Last Edit: November 25, 2019, 04:34:56 AM by ayeaye »

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #383 on: November 25, 2019, 01:34:20 PM »
Here you go. the magnet is under the plate in the same position as the second row.
Only I still do not understand anything.

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #384 on: November 25, 2019, 09:12:54 PM »
Here you go. the magnet is under the plate in the same position as the second row.

On the figure 2, the poles of your magnet are up and down? If so, you have some asymmetry at the upper end there, see the field is stronger at the sides, and there are less field lines at the center, that go up.

This banana shape on figure 1 may also provide field lines more close together at the right side, than at the left side, but you use there too much iron filings, for it to be seen.

Try with something, a small iron object. You may feel that it attracts more where the field lines are more closer together, than where they are not.

All i can say. Really any shape provides some asymmetry, that is difference from spherical. Like rectangle, at its corners the field lines are more apart, different from spherical where they should all go radially from the center of the pole, with equal distances between them.


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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #385 on: November 25, 2019, 09:56:56 PM »
In figure 2 the poles are the faces of the magnet.  In other words north is either the right curved face or the left curved face.  And of course the opposite pole is the other face.  I have many of those magnets from small DC motors.  The poles are not on the ends.  I just verified this with a compass.  For a few dollars you can buy a compass and then you don't have to keep guessing where the poles are.

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #386 on: November 26, 2019, 03:41:21 AM »
Only I still do not understand anything.

The matter is, no one really understands, and this is the beauty of it.


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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #387 on: November 26, 2019, 06:50:13 AM »
See the figure below, how can the shield magnet shield by the Coulomb model? By the Coulomb model a magnet is just two poles, both with a perfectly spherical field. And this is the only model that is symmetric. Say that the vertical N-S there is the shield magnet. You see that by that model there is nothing in between the north poles of two magnets, thus no shielding. When there is shielding, and evidently there is, then the fields must be somehow asymmetric, that is the fields of the poles must be different from spherical.

Ah, i'm sorry, this was not the shield magnet, the Citfta's was like this, was it?

S            S
     N  S
N            N

Anyway, you get an idea, in the Coulomb model there is nothing in between the repelling poles.


Coulomb only applies to the magnetic vector of the electric field.
Not the ferromagnetic field
Atomically, and molecularly, there are discrete energy states which can persist
outside of the spherical model.
Most commonly, a permanent magnet takes on the field shape of 2 inverted muffins
the center having no magnetic field at all, and almost always one “muffin top” larger than the other.


This natural asymmetry is independent from the phenomenon of S pulling more and N pushing more

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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #388 on: November 26, 2019, 07:00:51 AM »
Coulomb only applies to the magnetic vector of the electric field.
Not the ferromagnetic field

Right but, the Coulomb model is sometimes also used for magnetic fields, for simplified calculations. Why is that important, is that the Coulomb model is the only model that is completely symmetric. Thus, when anything differs from the Coulomb model, the field may be said to be asymmetric.

The real magnetic field differs from the Coulomb model, and thus isn't completely symmetric.


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Re: Magnets, motion and measurement
« Reply #389 on: November 26, 2019, 09:09:47 AM »
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On the figure 2, the poles of your magnet are up and down?
sharp ends up.

 

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