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Author Topic: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?  (Read 176376 times)

Offline Grumage

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #180 on: March 05, 2017, 08:12:05 PM »
Dear Scorch.

This thread might be of interest to you ?

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=3395.msg59144#msg59144

I'm waiting for new materials to arrive from the Far East to further investigate " Smudge's Musings " on this subject.

Who knows ??    ;)

Cheers Graham.

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #181 on: March 05, 2017, 08:13:09 PM »
Scorch.
Why don't you try jumping off a tall building to see if believing in a safe landing will work? Answer: you don't jump because you 'know' the outcome. Yet when MH (and others) point out that nothing new is to be learned from something, you jump all over them. If reading MH's post causes you distress the DON'T read them. Nobody is forcing you. I enjoy his posts, but there are posts from others that I don't bother with.
Stop whining.

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #182 on: March 05, 2017, 08:35:32 PM »
Some food for thought.  If you had a real free energy machine or OU machine or whatever you wanted to call it how would your present it?

More food for thought: If the Testatika machine is fake, then for all the world, what could be the purpose to build one machine after the other, one bigger than the other, without asking for money nor looking for investors nor presenting the working machines in public? The bottommost image shows even two machines next to each other during construction in the workshop.

The only purpose I can think of is that this (very simple) FE concept works indeed and they using those machines just for their own energy needs.

Have I overlooked something in my reasoning? Maybe »vested interests« have paid Methernitha in order to distract researchers and lead them up the garden path?

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #183 on: March 05, 2017, 09:50:53 PM »
The Methernitha community never used the device as a source for their need for electricity. The community was some kind of cult or sect, their guru Paul Baumann probably used the machine as a proof for his superior knowledge and the superiority of his community.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methernitha

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #184 on: March 05, 2017, 09:57:52 PM »
Not whining.

Intend to move forward.

Also agree to ignore the negative and wait for or even create the positive.  :)

Kindest regards;

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Scorch.
Why don't you try jumping off a tall building to see if believing in a safe landing will work? Answer: you don't jump because you 'know' the outcome. Yet when MH (and others) point out that nothing new is to be learned from something, you jump all over them. If reading MH's post causes you distress the DON'T read them. Nobody is forcing you. I enjoy his posts, but there are posts from others that I don't bother with.
Stop whining.

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #184 on: March 05, 2017, 09:57:52 PM »
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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #185 on: March 05, 2017, 10:55:52 PM »
The rumors are that some attempts to replicate that device have indeed failed.
And yes I am well aware that MANY have tried BECAUSE there are first hand witnesses who testified the community did or does have its own power system which is rumored to be very hidden and even denied because the community doesn't want all that attention.

But of course;  I am not going to stop trying or watching for new energy discoveries just because of past failures or dark secrets.

The rumors are also that John Bedini (RIP) did a good job of replicating the Kromrey converter and subsequently demonstrated it for cameras and witnesses who testified to the affect of a noticeable cooling of the immediate area as the device was drawing in energy from the environment and converting to electricity.

His particular replication included-
1. Nonferous shaft because a common steel shaft creates a different magnetic path which PREVENTS the desired effect so anybody who attempts this replication with a common steel shaft will fail.
2. BeFe magnets which are no longer readily available so anybody who attempts this replication using ceramic magnets will fail.

On the other hand; an attempt to replicate based on the original patent without magnets at all may actually succeed in replicating a very high efficiency generator and the actual efficiency will remain to be seen.

The point being that just because some thing can be faked or some replications have failed, this does not mean all is lost and we should merely give up. ::)

And of course unless you or I actually travel to the Linden community for our own hands experience then; the rumor the system exists is mere hearsay.
On other hand, unless you or I actually travel to the Linden community for our own hands experience then; the rumor the system does NOT exist is ALSO mere hearsay.

All I actually know about it is that I know many articles such as this exist-
http://www.spiritofmaat.com/archive/feb2/methnith.htm

And other rumors that the system performance is effected by realitive humidity and is very finicky in it's operation.
These are all RUMORS and mere hearsay and what I believe is not the same thing as what I actually know.  8)

Please see if you can find any evidence the community actually is served by a conventional power grid system such power lines substantial enough to power the entire community, the name of the utility company providing the power or samples of utility bills from one or more of the residents and report back to us so we can actually KNOW something by way of a POSITIVE attempt to reveal a fact. Of course if the system is more localized such one system for each building; this creates an entirely new challenge doesn't it?

Or better yet; set all that aside and positively work towards methods the system of THIS TOPIC might actually work.

The environment is FULL of energy and any method to capture lightning in a bottle may be beneficial to our goal of energy independence and this is a topic of this possible method of doing so.

Lightning strikes reach the ground on Earth as much as 8 million times per day or 100 times per second, according to the National Severe Storms Laboratory.

You want free energy? Simply build a giant capacitor connected to a tower and wait for the occasional lightning strike to charge your building sized Leyden jar and power your city.  :)

Where does all that energy come from? The earth and layers of atmosphere are a spherical capacitor that is constantly replenished to the point that when storms "bridge the gap" discharges will occur.  8)

http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00875454
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprite_(lightning)
 
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More food for thought: If the Testatika machine is fake, then for all the world, what could be the purpose to build one machine after the other, one bigger than the other, without asking for money nor looking for investors nor presenting the working machines in public? The bottommost image shows even two machines next to each other during construction in the workshop.

The only purpose I can think of is that this (very simple) FE concept works indeed and they using those machines just for their own energy needs.

Have I overlooked something in my reasoning? Maybe »vested interests« have paid Methernitha in order to distract researchers and lead them up the garden path?

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #186 on: March 05, 2017, 11:31:17 PM »
Timemachine, there are many 'reasons' for people to do things. Don't take persistence to mean success.

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #187 on: March 05, 2017, 11:55:50 PM »
Hey there,
If it's time to speculate then let's do it. Warning all what comes it's only my interpretation so take it wit a bunch of salt :)
The jam jars thingies on the rotating disc are some sort of high voltage capacitors , the white drops that can be seen on the floor could be some sort of barium titanate compound. so what's next? you know ... moving charge --->magnetic field so the rotating disc generates a pulsating magnetic field (pulsating because the charge is not evenly distributed along the disc but packed in the caps)
And that said pulsating magnetic field is then tapped by the coils on the small metalic frame and so we have a generator.Is this form of generator a drag free one ?i have no idea. the rest of the story? i have really no clue right now but this is what i think right now
anyway have fun with this "gedankenexperiment"

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #188 on: March 06, 2017, 01:54:05 AM »
Is this positive or productive speculation regarding this topic of this device which may incorporate a static electricity accumulator and condenser? Such as: "A leyden jar with a dimpled hemispherical jacket may actually collect a charge when accelerated through the air on a spinning disc much like a van de graaf generator does".

Or is this negative sarcasm against positive theoretical speculation intended for us to actually learn something about the mystery?
Is your speculation based on the known characteristics of a leyden jar, van de graaf or wimshurst generator or other visible aspects of the IPP7.4 device?

Please forgive me but this does appear to be sarcasm and I am reminded that it has been said that the genius can take the complicated and make it simple and that the idiot can take the simple and make it complicated and that sarcasm denotes the lack of an open mind.

Or at least a mere belief and lazy desire to "bust" a system by NOT actually building or testing the system because one already believes it to be "impossible" therefore nothing new can enter the mind. And to the best of my knowledge, the showroom is still there and the device is ready for inspection until we hear otherwise.  8)

Case in point-
The mythbusters "busted" a proof of *concept device by NOT actually building the device that even a grade school girl did build and did win first prize at the science fair.

The judges (presumably with scientific background) originally claimed that she had cheated somehow because they personally believed there is no way a motor can run for that long on a single battery while also powering a light. BUT the judges could not find any evidence the system is "fake" and finally had to admit she had produced the real deal and they did award her a blue ribbon at the science fair. Was this a scientific breakthrough involving a patented system? What exactly did the mythbusters bust?!?

http://www.furaffinity.net/view/15570506/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/15570587/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/15752887/

*Proof of concept device - John Bedini (RIP) never claimed the "Simplified School Girl" version was an OU device. And he would have told the mythbusters this IF they had actually talked to the inventor before defaming him.
It was designed merely to prove a concept that adding an extra winding and circuitry to capture transient high voltages (that conventional systems normally waste) can in fact capture those high voltages from the BEMF and return it back to the system for increased efficiency resulting in a motor that runs far longer than conventional scientists believed it could. Plus the proof that a generator coil can be placed next to the rotor which slows the rotor thus REDUCING input current while increasing energy out to light an LED bulb.

See examples of how to "bust it" by NOT actually building it-

Mythbusters Busted or: It's just a fantasy from a well known inventor we never even talked to before using his name and defaming him on national TV.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEtiNum9MpM

Keshe, his entire foundation, all the people involved and the commercially available products are all "Krazy"-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0M87oGaqaSk
This is a fine example of severe sarcasm and giving up while others are still working at it and advancing their knowledge after ZF gave up.
See:
Off grid, 123rd workshop- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgGEDpXGreo
Off grid, 124th workshop- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxHDaqDxmsA
Off grid, 127th workshop- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Nyo42p1Ccg
Off grid, 128th workshop- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBVI6hp3jtk
Off grid, 130th* workshop- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFNXQB0exuU
Better resolution of this last test- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6h1V6WPAHQ
On grid, commercial version- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpakmoHEBWI
*Original 130th workshop video is over 10 hours long at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbWp955qz0w

So, just because they FAILED to build it does not mean it is "bad" and it cannot be built better in the future.  :)
If one simply gives up then one has indeed failed to learn from his trial and error failures while others may relent, move forward and reveal a breakthrough in science.  ;D

Are there any objections to our pursuit of happiness and scientific breakthroughs into new territory where classical physics may be in denial and newtonian physics may actually break down at the quantum level?

Kindest regards;

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Hey there,
If it's time to speculate then let's do it. Warning all what comes it's only my interpretation so take it wit a bunch of salt :)
The jam jars thingies on the rotating disc are some sort of high voltage capacitors , the white drops that can be seen on the floor could be some sort of barium titanate compound. so what's next? you know ... moving charge --->magnetic field so the rotating disc generates a pulsating magnetic field (pulsating because the charge is not evenly distributed along the disc but packed in the caps)
And that said pulsating magnetic field is then tapped by the coils on the small metalic frame and so we have a generator.Is this form of generator a drag free one ?i have no idea. the rest of the story? i have really no clue right now but this is what i think right now
anyway have fun with this "gedankenexperiment"

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #188 on: March 06, 2017, 01:54:05 AM »
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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #189 on: March 06, 2017, 04:26:31 AM »
Your VDG machine is missing its belt, and your Wimshurst machine is clearly an ancient model, built by someone who doesn't know how to optimize its working. It may produce 3 cm sparks on a dry day.

Yes, the Innova Tehno machine is just a hoax, and I am telling you this from long experience with hoaxers, electrostatic machines and YT videos. You can believe me or not, but if you DON'T believe me, I expect you to spend all your time, effort and money trying to reproduce it. Go ahead! You will fail.

Meanwhile, here's a little photo of one of my Bonetti machines, making 20+ cm sparks. And this _can_ be reproduced, by anyone who actually pays attention to the details I have given elsewhere:


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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #190 on: March 06, 2017, 05:11:02 AM »
Scorch:

If you are going to do the whole Bedini thing, let's really bring it down to reality, ok?

Yes Mythbusters messed it up and got busted.  But let's do some Mythbusters busters busting ourselves.

The classic thing that people say about a Bedini motor, is something like, "We demoed our Bedini motor at the conference and an engineer came over and looked at our demo with a funny clueless look on his face and he walked away bewildered not understading the alternative form of electricity used in our Bedini motor."

I have read that dozens of times and that has to be one of the most ridiculous statements about Bedini motors that is often repeated.  There is nothing special or alternative about a Bedini motor at all and any engineer understands how they work inside-out.

Beyond that, let's say you start with a fully charged source battery and a fully discharged charging battery,  If you run the Bedini motor until the source battery is fully discharged then the charging battery will be between 30% and 40% charged.  That's because when a typical Bedini motor runs, the charging power is about 30% to 40% of the power draw of the motor itself.  60% to 70% of the source battery energy becomes waste heat as the motor runs.

I am quoting you here: 
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BUT her device infuriated her science tutors because it was demonstrating an electrical effect that appeared to be completely in violation of the laws of physics according to them; the science teachers...

That is not even remotely true.  You are simply repeating what you have been told.  The reality is that a Bedini pulse motor is a very very simple circuit that is easily understandable.

I am all for alternative energy, and by that right now that means renewable energy.  Hundreds of billions of dollars are being invested in better solar panel research, better battery technology research and so on.  It may take several decades but one day the grid may be mostly powered by renewable energy sources.  There is more than enough solar energy to make that a possibility.

Bedini motors are a great thing for a beginner in electronics to play with.  The challenge is to cut through all of the hype and understand how it _really_ works and move past the ridiculous "cult of alternative energy" business.

MileHigh

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #191 on: March 06, 2017, 08:00:46 AM »
It was merely an example to make a point about skeptics and sarcasm and I probably went completely over-board again as I always try to bring as much detail as I can think of in some sort of one sided conversation..

And BTW; I just discovered a whole other history about Bedini and I'm now reexamining my roles in this life and entirely new paths of exploration.  8)

Please forgive me for being so headstrong a little earlier.

You do have good points but I also have my own path so thank you for putting up with me.  :)

As far as this IPP7.4 device goes; looks great BUT still waiting to see what actually happens while I study other things more my speed instead of trying to wrap my brain around what is either a fairly complicated system or a total fake and only time will tell.

The company will either grow or fail and if it does fail this is still not necessarily due to a scam or fake and could merely be just poor business plan or outside "energy interest" forces shut it down as has happened so many times before.

Thank you again.

Kindest regards;

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Scorch:

If you are going to do the whole Bedini thing, let's really bring it down to reality, ok?

MileHigh

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #193 on: March 06, 2017, 09:43:01 AM »
(Although quite offtopic in the meantime)

About the Thestatikas:
Yes, they do not use the machines to power their homes. They use power from the grid and have some wind and solar power.
IMHO there are three possibilities why history went as it did:
1) It was a Scam all along to get more people. But actually some points speak against this.
2) Energy was generated, but it was in the beginning not known from where, and in the end was just a galvanic reaction. Remember how Baumann clearly explained, that it only worked with two different metals being used. He also explained that there are many many metal layers in the big pots.  (I think many allegedly OU machines actually worked on galvanic reactions (Coler, Hendershot, ...), as many people are not aware of this simple effect)
3) It did get some energy "from the air", like Baumann explained. If it was from atmospheric electricity (similar to Plauson), this principle cannot be scaled up and is therefore practically and economically not a solution. When they realized this they stopped. They themselves said, the bigger machines did not perform as expected.


About Bedini:
I'm still amazed how many still think there's anything to Bedini's stuff. It has been replicated so many times and never ever showed anything, that one wouldn't expect from conventional physics (even the stuff from Bedini himself).

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #194 on: March 06, 2017, 10:17:45 AM »
If you go on energetic forum there is a goodbye letter from Linderman.  http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20673-thank-you-farewell.html
He talks as if he achieved so much in the OU field before retirement. Excuse me Peter, but what exactly have you given us. Same for Bedini. An OU god apparently but again where is the OU exactly? Why are these guys Gods?
Anyways, there are honest researchers out there.. Thankfully.


 

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