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Author Topic: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?  (Read 176387 times)

Offline tsl

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #165 on: March 02, 2017, 10:49:39 PM »
This is jokes ?  :o

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FREE-ENERGY-GENERATOR-ZERO-POINT-ENERGY-7-3Kw-220V-/132106746213
I have almost spilled my drink the moment i saw this one
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Interesting thing about it,  when you try to look at the sellers auctions there are no listings whatsoever also tryed to search for free energy generator this item is not listed.... Another scam?

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #166 on: March 02, 2017, 11:15:53 PM »
Its much worse than that , they pulled screen shot of broken unit from Stefan's video where wire is broken off of "thingamabob"
and hanging down....

I was going to call Ebay and ask about this [just in case] however after seeing they have screen shot from Smudges thread here

and broken too ?

quote from member Smudge

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Dear Graham,

That's not a thin transparent disc.  What you see is tin plated wire connecting all the bolts together, it goes under the nuts.  The photo was probably taken to show that the wire has come apart, you can see a loose end hanging down from the top electrode of the photo, see my image below.

Cyril 
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[image below  shows wire hanging.... off same as Ebay add   :-[]
Yikes !!

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #167 on: March 03, 2017, 09:18:36 PM »
I did receive a response from the seller-

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On 2017-03-03 14:33, eBay - since_0001 wrote:
Dear Scorch
Thank you for your interest. Unfortunately, this machine is at present no longer available for sale.
Apologies for any inconvenience.

I have yet to see any evidence of an actual scam but I also haven't seen evidence of a working system beyond the videos which may or may not be genuine since it is easy to fake the apparent affects.

And just because something can be faked does not mean it has been faked so time will certainly tell whether or not there is anything worthwhile here.

Plus I desire that additional local people in the UK would actually go to the showroom for a more thorough examination and comprehensive report of their findings in English. And also wish to see evidence more than one unit exists.

Kindest regards;

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #167 on: March 03, 2017, 09:18:36 PM »
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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #168 on: March 04, 2017, 09:58:35 AM »

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #169 on: March 04, 2017, 09:04:30 PM »
Very interesting.  :)

I wonder how many more details may eventually be revealed for the true nature of this system?

If the manufacture would actually share more relevant details including the actual principles of operation and prototype schematics then; this could potentially explode into an entirely new market (just as radio and television did). And IF some people discover this actually can be DIY built and prove it works then; the rest of the non-builders will certainly line up at the door to buy a production version from a local supplier such as innovatehno1943   ;)

Want investors or need money? Then sell reasonably priced experimental (no warranty) prototypes, kits or merely open source the basic knowledge information or plans so buyers and investors will know what it actually is.  8)

So; what is it?!?  ??? *shrugs*

When I look at this device I think I actually recognize some of the principles of operation including what is likely to be large windings magnetically coupled by way of horseshoe shaped, dipole core as well as toroidal windings and a static electricity accumulator. And I believe Tesla was indeed telling us to work with very high voltages and frequencies and resonant systems as well.

At these high voltages it becomes far easier for "energy from the vacuum" to enter the system and resonance may also be beneficial as could be introduced by mechanical means of a spinning rotor at its own frequency.

And if this machine actually does have a "sweet spot" resonance point then it would make sense to control RPM by way of tach generator and motor controller.
And if self starting then a small alternator could actually be dual purpose as tach generator and starting battery charger.

It kind of looks like a more modern, more advanced version of the known Methernitha Testatika device and I HOPE more information is eventually released and thank you very much for these references.

Is time to stop being distracted by negative naysayers spending all their energy always trying to find a "scam" and actually positively build stuff.  ;D

It is understandable to BEWARE of possible scam BUT to spend so much energy on this possibility becomes a negative, self defeating endeavor... :P

So; what else can you positively reveal about this design for the benefit of all?

Does the spinning disk contain Leydon jar condensers complete with aluminum hemispheres around outside of which may be mere canning jars?

The principle is sound. Place aluminum hemispheres to complete a leydon jar and spin it through the air and this most certainly will charge the condensers to the point that static charges will jump a spark gap which will also bring in additional electrons through the gap. Then is a matter of stepping these high voltages down and also taking advantage of alternating frequencies (both sides of dipole-horseshoe) in step down Telsa coils, step up toroidal coils and a huge magnetic core configured in a manner to maintain (not destroy) the dipole.

And if switched properly; these pulses could be VERY effective at charging conventional capacitors with a fast acting 'accumulator' capacitor up front and a slower acting ultra capacitor storage bank at the end.

And this could be scaled to any size and does not require any expensive neodymium magnets.  8)
 
Kindest regards;

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #169 on: March 04, 2017, 09:04:30 PM »
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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #170 on: March 04, 2017, 11:00:06 PM »
Scorch:

You are the same person that discussed your Quanta Magnetics motor with me, correct?

You should be operating on the presumption that it is a prop, there are no relevant details.  You run though the litany of buzz words and cliches but they are all unsubstantiated.  Don't you think by now that someone could have definitively proved that a pulsing coil can "pull energy from the vacuum?" After years, I think the majority of people on this forum now understand that resonance is not a means of achieving free energy.

This comment of yours baffles me, "This could potentially explode into an entirely new market (just as radio and television did)."

I will just quote myself discussing good old formerly-under-FBI-investigation Wayne of Hydro Energy Revolution's proposition, "If what he had was real, it would completely shake the world up and be the biggest news story of the 21st century. It would completely change civilization. Wayne would be on the cover of Time and Newsweek. What you have instead is Wayne pitching, "Soon we will be in the business of selling energy systems to our customers" as if he was talking about something mundane like selling prefabricated garages to industrial customers. It's just totally ridiculous. If you step outside of the "bubble" you can see the tragicomic aspect to this whole farce."

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #171 on: March 04, 2017, 11:33:43 PM »
"If you step outside of the "bubble"" unfortunately, the bubble is impenetrable, so he is stuck.

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #172 on: March 05, 2017, 01:05:36 AM »
Yes; we all well aware of your very negative position that some thing is false until proven true.

My positive position is that some thing is true until proven false.  :)

We are also well aware the majority of your posts are negative comments and misleading statements such as "There is no bloc wall" (center) of a magnet where the fields converge. This is all the same OLD story from you over and over and over again Mr. Parrot!  ???

Your history speaks for itself and you are certainly not a "hero" merely because you write the same negativity over and over again.
 http://overunity.com/profile/milehigh.20740/area/showposts/#.WLtWen-ExbI
 
And as we are well aware; "energy from the vacuum" is merely a term used by Physists, Teachers and Authors Dr. Tom Beardon and Dr. Michio Kaku (as well as others) as reference to dark energy or merely difficult to detect energy extracted from the surrounding environment (vacuum?) including electrons, photons and gravity. And is in this physics context that I used this term to describe the possibility of a positive effect.

See documentary films about these facts including a national geographic documentary about dark energy in which Doctor Kaku does use the term "vacuum energy" here- http://www.furaffinity.net/journal/8002600/

And yes, I am still the same one who abandoned this forum years ago and for an extended period of time and brought my entire experimental project over to an entirely different forum primarily due to your negativity that was extremely distracting to me and others who were interested at that time.  :(

And it does appear that you may actually be an agent remaining here specifically for the purposes of interfering with our liberties including the pursuits of our happiness including our studies and our work and distracting us from certain true facts. Such as the existence of dark energy all around us and the possibilities of us extracting said dark energy from the vacuum and converting this energy into more useful forms for our benefit such as heat and electricity.

And no; I do NOT operate on presumption or assumption as you do and not going to start because you suggest I do.

I accept that you completely failed to comprehend (baffled) there is a demand for independent energy systems and that this market will rapidly expand (explode) just as the market for home electronics rapidly expanded (exploded) with the inventions of things such as Radio, Television and Computers.

You have apparently been bringing your negativity here for years and I am not surprised you are still here. This is the same OLD story from you. Do you have anything positive and NEW to offer? What have you actually created for this forum and the benefit of others? Have you built ANY thing to show us? Or have you merely spent these last few years crapping on every new possibility and casting your darkness on every possible revealing light of truth? (Such as the true fact some new guy has suddenly appeared and provided us with the EXACT same part used in this device including a very revealing photograph detailing a very specific shape.)

Yes; we are well aware of your negative attitude that becomes more intrusive whenever there is a slight possibility we are are the right path to energy independence to the point I personally walked away from this forum at the beginning of a new experimental project that I had wanted to share here for the benefit of all.  :(

This is your revealing tell...

Remember this folks; the louder and more distracting Milehigh is, the more likely we actually are on the correct path.  ;D
 
Kindest regards;

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Scorch:

You are the same person that discussed your Quanta Magnetics motor with me, correct?

You should be operating on the presumption that it is a prop, there are no relevant details.  You run though the litany of buzz words and cliches but they are all unsubstantiated.  Don't you think by now that someone could have definitively proved that a pulsing coil can "pull energy from the vacuum?" After years, I think the majority of people on this forum now understand that resonance is not a means of achieving free energy.

This comment of yours baffles me, "This could potentially explode into an entirely new market (just as radio and television did)."

I will just quote myself discussing good old formerly-under-FBI-investigation Wayne of Hydro Energy Revolution's proposition, "If what he had was real, it would completely shake the world up and be the biggest news story of the 21st century. It would completely change civilization. Wayne would be on the cover of Time and Newsweek. What you have instead is Wayne pitching, "Soon we will be in the business of selling energy systems to our customers" as if he was talking about something mundane like selling prefabricated garages to industrial customers. It's just totally ridiculous. If you step outside of the "bubble" you can see the tragicomic aspect to this whole farce."

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #173 on: March 05, 2017, 02:04:39 AM »
The InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device looks like it has a definite self energized motor under the rear part, driving the hemisphere ring. Is the hemisphere ring sphewing ionized electrons, as static electricity, into the two horseshoe curved iron shapes, one in front and one in back of the spinning hemisphere ring?

I say "horseshoe curved iron" but it reminds me of the Egyptian Ankh which was a complete circuit of iron shaped like a "D", a horseshoe shape, with a flat bar across the bottom. The Ankh was physically carried by Pharoah's. The "D" shape also shows up as Leedskalnins Perpetual Motion Holder. The "D" shape Ankh also shows up as a D-shaped Cyclotron, a machine that perpetually whirls electrons around in circles, or in a D-shape, in these cases. This is the principal used that claimed that a series of plug-ins with an extension cord attached, can be plugged into itself and will perpetually circulate electricity within the loop.

It looks like the flat bar of the Ankh is not actually there, in the front horseshoe, but there are two black rings on the curved horseshoe that might turn the electrons and shoot them thru the two coils on the inner equipment, between the horseshoe legs, that may be used to complete the circuit of the Ankh in the front. The rear ankh is wound with toroidial coils, possibly as pick ups.

Id say, at second glance, that the machine is gathering static electricity and is circulating it, and by coils, is stepping it down and using it as common EM. Static electricity is at the level of 4th dimensional gravity and must be stepped down.

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #174 on: March 05, 2017, 02:09:37 AM »
Well Scorch:

I guess you were licking your wounds after I told you that the Quanta Magnetics motor was nothing more than a glorified $50 pulse motor that you could just as easily have built yourself.  Plus I said the claim made by Quanta Magnetics that you were hanging on was not going to happen and then Quanta Magnetics took the fake-claim video down and then burned you by refusing to respond to your requests for technical support.  According to you, he was feeding juice to the motor without showing that in his clip and that's why the voltage rose.  And you are pointing the finger at me as the "bad guy" in all of this?  You have got to be kidding.  I told you the straight goods on that ridiculously overpriced pulse motor the whole time.

My primary interest is to look at and evaluate high-profile "pro" claims of free energy.  That's the reason I chimed in on InnovaTehno.eu.  Even the host of this web site thinks that they are likely criminals and you want to paint me as a bad guy?  You made a posting coming off like a shill for InnovaTehno.eu and I replied.  Deal with it without this ridiculous emotional dump all over me.  Not that you are a shill, you were just looking for ego-boosting "free energy street cred."  I also discussed Steorn and they are bankrupt and burned through 13 million Euros from real human beings that were investors.  Perhaps someone reading my comments about Steorn kept their life savings instead of losing it all on Steorn.  I am such a "bad guy" eh?  I challenged Wayne Travis on his ridiculous groaning bellows buoyancy machine and that company is kaput and he burned through a million dollars of other people's money and was investigated by the FBI for soliciting money from people for an allegedly fraudulent company and claiming ridiculously high financial returns.  But I am such a "bad guy" eh?

Seriously, get over the fact that you got burned by Quanta Magnetics and don't blame me.  Your gratuitous attack on my character is misdirected nonsense.  I tried to give you good advice for your own benefit.  Get over it.  Dark Energy has nothing whatsoever to do with fantasizing that a "pulsing coil taps into energy from the vacuum."  There is no Bloch wall in the center of a bar magnet.  You must be daft to believe that nonsense and I am sure many of the regulars were snickering under their breath when they read that. Get lost with the laughable "agent" nonsense and go buy yourself a Secret Sam briefcase.  I just checked ebay and you can get one for about fifty bucks.

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I accept that you completely failed to comprehend (baffled) there is a demand for independent energy systems and that this market will rapidly expand (explode) just as the market for home electronics rapidly expanded (exploded) with the inventions of things such as Radio, Television and Computers.

You are the one that is seriously comprehension challenged.  Jaws are dropping that you would say that after you read the last part of my last posting.

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #175 on: March 05, 2017, 02:27:28 AM »
Call out to all free energy justice warriors.  Get your kits while they last.  Guy Fawkes masks and balaclavas optional (unless you are going to destroy a gas station pump).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t6Bd0MwEh8

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #176 on: March 05, 2017, 02:31:11 AM »
Some food for thought.  If you had a real free energy machine or OU machine or whatever you wanted to call it how would your present it?  Would you dress it all up to look like something from a Sci-Fi movie if you wanted to be taken seriously?  Or would you box it up so that nothing was shown except the output connections and maybe some metering?  Would you bolt it down tight to the floor or would you put it on wheels so it could be rolled around and tested in different areas?  Would you develop a plan for people to test what you had and then keep changing the rules or would you stick to the plan?

Don't get me wrong here.  I would love to see a real free energy machine in operation.  And I have seen enough to believe it may be possible.  But there have been so many things about this particular one that just scream scam it is hard for me to believe it is real.

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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #177 on: March 05, 2017, 07:43:09 AM »

Yeah; whatever.  You know it all and we have now heard it all once again including your assumptions and presumptions about me and others or the PAST.  ::)
Your reputation proceeds you and once again; you brought nothing constructive, positive or new here. *shrugs*  8)

I have made no claim of "wounds" or being "burned" beyond my mere frustrations with my own PAST experiments or failures which means that you, sir are a blatant liar harassing and harming me and others with your defamation and lies.  :(

I believe you have repeatedly demonstrated INTENT to use this forum to cause damages and harm against our goal of energy independence and you should be banned for these continuing harmful actions of record.
And there should be a thorough administrative investigation of your posting record for what is likely to be a preponderance of evidence of harassing statements and potential damages to others such as apparent defamation and other crimes against established companies including Quanta Magnetics and harm to their sales via your account of this forum.

You are now writing the SAME things that drove me and others away from this forum before and this is a continuation of harassment and defamation.  :(
Including your firm statements of what somebody ELSE should charge for their goods and services.  :(
You have no authority to dictate what somebody else should charge for their stuff and by claiming so; you are HARMING them and others who may benefit from them.

If a merchant charges his price for his stuff per his own prerogative to set his price for his stuff and your written statements here are written with intent to impair potential sales and HARM a company then; you have abused this forum (again) with intent to cause commercial injury DAMAGES (again) and you should be banned for these legal reasons.  >:(



So; back on topic away from the parrot's controversies and setting aside that yes indeed anything might be faked or a possible existence of scam in which somebody actually does make a claim that he lost money which has NOT appeared here-

I have only positively speculated about how this system might possibly work.  :)

Are there any positive thoughts or contributions in SUPPORT of our goal of energy independence?

Is it possible this actually is a modern version of the known Methernitha Testatika device?

I do believe that yes indeed the spinning disc does contain Leyden jars consisting of glass jars and the aluminum hemispheres linked in reply #168 and they probably do not contain a coil or magnet as speculated in reply #148.

I believe this spinning disk is simply an independent static charge generator producing substantial high voltage discharges jumping to receivers on each side of the horseshoe assembly, the toroidal coils or another location.

Please forgive my mere beliefs.

Kindest regards;

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Well Scorch: ....


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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #178 on: March 05, 2017, 10:01:08 AM »
@Scorch:Honestly MH tries to very diplomatically show the mistakes you made in the past and all you can do is personal attacks on the lowest level without anything to substantiate them except that you believe otherwise and therefore feel attacked?

I have no problem that you want to believe in this, but you also must accept that until now basically everything about this InnovaTehno history clearly points into the direction of a scam. Even Stefan (the owner of overunity.com) points that out.
Go and give them your money. We just wanted to warn you, that you will lose it. But if this is fine for you, I don't have a problem with that.

@citfta:

I think exactly the same. If anyone really successfully would invent such a machine, then he would IMHO either be altruistic and give away the plans for free and show everyone his working prototype, or he would be greedy and then he would just make the machines for himself, and start as an energy company. As in the long haul this would always be more profitable.

Manufacturing the machines and selling them makes only sense if he would sell them for the construction price, not with any big surplus, with the intention to spread it as fast as possible (altruistic version).
Simply because such a machine would immediately become copied, and no patent in the world could protect you from that, for it would be an invention which would have a deep impact on society.
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Re: InnovaTehno.eu Free Energy Device - a big Fake or the real thing ?
« Reply #179 on: March 05, 2017, 07:34:13 PM »
I believe the very fact that you (another user) now believe I made a mistake (according to MH) does serve as evidence of the defamation to which I now have to spend my time CORRECTING and defending this record. These are damages.

I see no evidence that my personal endeavor to invest in experimental kits including the Q2 (which I converted to a Q3) and the G1 and my subsequent learning experiences including both my successes and failures is a "mistake" and I believe no such evidence exists.

I also believe that if I was to actually listen to Milehigh's negativity and followed his advice to not build it; I would not have learned anything!  :P

And yes I did build stuff as a mere bench jockey with little knowledge.
I have done and still do this to LEARN stuff and this is no mistake in my reality.  :)

My first experience doing this here (built G2) was very positive where I was working on one project then started and completed a second where I was NOT impeded by a continuing stream of negative comments about why it "won't work therefore I shouldn't even try it".
See:
http://overunity.com/3842/muller-dynamo/msg356459/#msg356459

BUT, then my second experience was far different and very negative and discouraging to the point I did in fact abandon the sharing of my experience here and took my stuff to a different forum just as others have also done after being faced with all that negativity from Milehigh. These are true recorded facts of the bullying. Including 'diplomatic' statements along the lines of "I am your hero here to save you from yourself and you shouldn't try some new thing because some other thing happened in the past...".
See:
http://overunity.com/15030/gyroscopic-inertia-generator/msg424343/#msg424343
http://overunity.com/15030/gyroscopic-inertia-generator/msg424367/#msg424367
(Where all that negativity continued even after I picked up my equipment and left their game.)

But none of this ancient history matters!
This is all in the PAST and is OFF topic distractions brought to us by user Milehigh.

Please forgive my frustrations and his distractions he brought here.

And please remain positive and lets explore how this alleged scam might actually be the real deal or how we can make it real.  :)

So; even if this company is a scam; I don't care.
Lets study the possibilities ANYWAY regardless of the stream of negativity telling us we shouldn't even try. I have been hearing this parroting negativity for so long that it has become meaningless.  8)

Kindest regards

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@Scorch:Honestly MH tries to very diplomatically show the mistakes you made in the past and all you can do is personal attacks on the lowest level without anything to substantiate them except that you believe otherwise and therefore feel attacked?

I have no problem that you want to believe in this, but you also must accept that until now basically everything about this InnovaTehno history clearly points into the direction of a scam. Even Stefan (the owner of overunity.com) points that out.
Go and give them your money. We just wanted to warn you, that you will lose it. But if this is fine for you, I don't have a problem with that.


 

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