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Title: Have overunity . . . need help
Post by: Tim Beane on October 10, 2016, 08:13:10 PM
I have designed a wheel/motor that will achieve perpetual motion with useable torque to power any kind of generator.  Right now I need to find an individual to discuss the physics of this design with. Can anyone recommend someone here who has a thorough knowledge of the laws of thermodynamics yet understands our world of trying to achieve overunity?  I want their input as to whether my wheel violates any of the laws, or expands them ....or fits within them.
Title: Re: Have overunity . . . need help
Post by: hartiberlin on October 12, 2016, 07:58:25 PM
Hii Tim,
Have you already built a working prototype ?
If yes, then show it on video and we will post comments.
Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Have overunity . . . need help
Post by: scratchrobot on October 12, 2016, 08:27:14 PM
I have designed a wheel/motor that will achieve perpetual motion with useable torque to power any kind of generator.  Right now I need to find an individual to discuss the physics of this design with. Can anyone recommend someone here who has a thorough knowledge of the laws of thermodynamics yet understands our world of trying to achieve overunity?  I want their input as to whether my wheel violates any of the laws, or expands them ....or fits within them.


You have a bad timing, seems the people your looking for just left.
http://overunity.com/16909/anyone-know-where-tinselkoala-is (http://overunity.com/16909/anyone-know-where-tinselkoala-is)


Try here https://www.physicsforums.com (https://www.physicsforums.com/)




Title: Re: Have overunity . . . need help
Post by: Low-Q on October 13, 2016, 07:53:57 AM
I have designed a wheel/motor that will achieve perpetual motion with useable torque to power any kind of generator.  Right now I need to find an individual to discuss the physics of this design with. Can anyone recommend someone here who has a thorough knowledge of the laws of thermodynamics yet understands our world of trying to achieve overunity?  I want their input as to whether my wheel violates any of the laws, or expands them ....or fits within them.
Just post detailed drawings here and we can discuss. I'm quite sure you've missed something out. Time will show ;-)


Vidar
Title: Re: Have overunity . . . need help
Post by: Tim Beane on October 13, 2016, 02:29:12 PM
Hii Tim,
Have you already built a working prototype ?
If yes, then show it on video and we will post comments.
Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

Hi Stefan,
Thank you for your response but I am looking for someone with a deep understanding of physics to discuss its operation with.   I need to include a very descriptive theory of operation on my patent applications along with explanations as to how it correlates with the laws of thermodynamics.
Title: Re: Have overunity . . . need help
Post by: Tim Beane on October 13, 2016, 02:43:49 PM
Just post detailed drawings here and we can discuss. I'm quite sure you've missed something out. Time will show ;-)


Vidar

Hi Vidar,
I'm not pursuing help with my design but thank you for your offer.
Title: Re: Have overunity . . . need help
Post by: memoryman on October 13, 2016, 02:57:29 PM
Unless you have a working prototype (nobody has), the title of your post is misleading.
Title: Re: Have overunity . . . need help
Post by: Tim Beane on October 13, 2016, 03:04:53 PM
Unless you have a working prototype (nobody has), the title of your post is misleading.

I am working on preparing patents.  I am not misleading anyone and was very specific as to what I am in need of.
Title: Re: Have overunity . . . need help
Post by: memoryman on October 13, 2016, 03:40:16 PM
You don't HAVE OU unless you have a working prototype. So, saying it IS misleading.
Title: Re: Have overunity . . . need help
Post by: burnit0017 on October 13, 2016, 03:50:55 PM
Hi, you need a working prototype before you can get a patent.
Title: Re: Have overunity . . . need help
Post by: Tim Beane on October 13, 2016, 03:52:41 PM
You don't HAVE OU unless you have a working prototype. So, saying it IS misleading.

Once again, I am not misleading anyone.  I have stated my needs and am not here to prove or debate anything. 
Title: Re: Have overunity . . . need help
Post by: Tim Beane on October 13, 2016, 04:00:31 PM
Hi, you need a working prototype before you can get a patent.

Yes, I am fully aware that a prototype must be supplied.  What is not written as a guideline for obtaining a patent on over unity is in addition to the working prototype, its operation must also be thoroughly described as it applies to the laws of thermodynamics . . . which is why I am here. 
Title: Re: Have overunity . . . need help
Post by: memoryman on October 13, 2016, 05:02:09 PM
Given a full disclosure of what you are claiming, many people on this site can 'debunk' your idea. That would signing a NDA, which may conflict with the signer's interests. Of course, you may not want to believe the debunker, as that would mean giving up your dream.
Title: Re: Have overunity . . . need help
Post by: Low-Q on October 13, 2016, 06:46:46 PM
Hi Vidar,
I'm not pursuing help with my design but thank you for your offer.
You needed help. If none can see your design, you can not expect to get any help.
A patent will also require a working prototype - which you don't have.
What kind of help do you need?
If you ask for help, and don't want our help, this thread is a waste of time ;-)


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Right now I need to find an individual to discuss the physics of this design with
We can discuss. No problem.


Vidar
Title: Re: Have overunity . . . need help
Post by: Tim Beane on October 13, 2016, 06:53:33 PM
If you do not claim it as a perpetual device but as an enhancement to efficiency,, then things are not so hard.

It might take a court battle just to get it considered if you claim it as perpetual.

Another trick is to claim it as a toy,, just sayin'  :)

Yes, that approach has been discussed with my patent counsel.  We have opted to hit it head on.  Although it is not being titled as a perpetual device, its theory of operation identifies it as requiring no input to start, or sustain its operation.
Title: Re: Have overunity . . . need help
Post by: Tim Beane on October 13, 2016, 07:16:09 PM
You needed help. If none can see your design, you can not expect to get any help.
A patent will also require a working prototype - which you don't have.
What kind of help do you need?
If you ask for help, and don't want our help, this thread is a waste of time ;-)


Once again I will clarify my question and needs, which were clearly outlined in my original post.  Yes, I needed help . . . specifically I need an individual who has a significant background in physics to discuss my invention with.  I did not ask for anyone to justify, verify or debunk my invention.  Do you know of anyone who has such a background?
Title: Re: Have overunity . . . need help
Post by: memoryman on October 13, 2016, 07:23:34 PM
I repeat: many people have such knowledge (including myself).
The inevitable result will be that your idea will be debunked; speaking from experience, that result probably be ignored or even resented.
Title: Re: Have overunity . . . need help
Post by: Tim Beane on October 13, 2016, 07:46:08 PM
I repeat: many people have such knowledge (including myself).
The inevitable result will be that your idea will be debunked; speaking from experience, that result probably be ignored or even resented.

I am not looking to debate or put anyone down.  I am far past debunking.  I am working on patents.   I have a specific need and maybe you can help.  I have received private messages and probably need to clarify a bit more . . . I need an individual with a deep education in physics to help me.  Do you have a masters degree in physics?
Title: Re: Have overunity . . . need help
Post by: conradelektro on October 13, 2016, 07:51:47 PM
A person who does not want to tell whether he has a working prototype or not is best ignored.

This person does not look for an expert, he wants attention. Do not give him attention till he stops his double-talk.

I am sure that high school level of physics would be enough to teach him reality.

A patent can not protect a scientific discovery. His "patent expert" should know that. Therefore I know that we have once more a disturbed individual.

Any person with a deep education in physics will know and claim that OU is not possible. So, you have to show a working OU machine, nothing more and nothingl less. Words and theories might come after that.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Have overunity . . . need help
Post by: Low-Q on October 13, 2016, 08:05:06 PM
Once again I will clarify my question and needs, which were clearly outlined in my original post.  Yes, I needed help . . . specifically I need an individual who has a significant background in physics to discuss my invention with.  I did not ask for anyone to justify, verify or debunk my invention.  Do you know of anyone who has such a background?
Well, if you are looking for a person who can discuss design with you, and someone who has proper knowledge in physics, and you post it here, and say no thanks to the ones here who want to discuss this with you, you should rather ask Michio Kaku. He is not a member here, and he is an expert in physics.
You say you got over unity, so I really do not think you need to discuss this with anyone, because you have already figured it out, but can't explain it using common laws of thermodynamics. So you need help to find a way to use laws of thermodynamics to explain your over unity. How can that be possible?
That said, I do have proper knowledge in physics, like many here. However, there are plenty of members of this forum that is more dreamers than doers. Persons who claim over unity based on a drawing and lack of practical experience. Persons who gets angry when their design is debunked. Persons who cannot swallow some pride, and go on with the next project, or make it simpler by harnessing the free energy we get from the sun.


Are you such a dreamer, I do not know if this probable discussion will lead to anything but arguing ;)
Are you willing to offer some pride, and axcept that people does not agree with you, you are welcome to discuss this with me and other members who has proper experience in physics.


Vidar
Title: Re: Have overunity . . . need help
Post by: Tim Beane on October 13, 2016, 08:06:27 PM
A person who does not want to tell whether he has a working prototype or not is best ignored.

This person does not look for an expert, he wants attention. Do not give him attention till he stops his double-talk.

I am sure that high school level of physics would be enough to teach him reality.

Grsetings, Conrad

I did not come here pounding my chest nor have I insulted anyone.  I gave ample description to accomplish what I need. I have met with a published physics professor, but he could not give me what I need for the patent application, which is why I am here.  I was hoping to find someone who could bridge the gap for me. 
Title: Re: Have overunity . . . need help
Post by: conradelektro on October 13, 2016, 08:14:17 PM
I did not come here pounding my chest nor have I insulted anyone.

To claim OU without proof is an insult. It insults every intelligent individual.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Have overunity . . . need help
Post by: memoryman on October 13, 2016, 08:19:06 PM
No degree actually proves understanding. I have no degrees but have corrected many people with degrees on basics (math and physics). What makes you think that conservation of energy is not violated by your idea?
Title: Re: Have overunity . . . need help
Post by: Floor on October 13, 2016, 08:21:38 PM
The world is dying and you are pattenting an O.U. device ? 

Are you planning to vote for Donald Rump as well ?

            floor
Title: Re: Have overunity . . . need help
Post by: conradelektro on October 13, 2016, 08:44:17 PM
https://www.epo.org/law-practice/legal-texts/html/epc/2016/e/ar52.html

Artcle 52 (2)(a)
1)
European patents shall be granted for any inventions, in all fields of technology, provided that they are new, involve an inventive step and are susceptible of industrial application.
(2)
The following in particular shall not be regarded as inventions within the meaning of paragraph 1:
(a)
discoveries, scientific theories and mathematical methods;

Any OU device will have to be based on a new discovery, a physical law or fact not yet known. And a discovery can not be patented. (Because the discovered law or fact was always there ready to be observed.)

One might patent a specific machine based on this discovery. But many people will be able to build different and better machines based on the same discovery and will patent it as well.

Why do you think there are millons of patents and almost every patent is worth less?

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Have overunity . . . need help
Post by: Tim Beane on October 14, 2016, 02:49:40 PM
Well, if you are looking for a person who can discuss design with you, and someone who has proper knowledge in physics, and you post it here, and say no thanks to the ones here who want to discuss this with you, you should rather ask Michio Kaku. He is not a member here, and he is an expert in physics.


Thank you.  I am working on contacting him.  I've also received a couple private messages from individuals who fit my needs.