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### Author Topic: Increase the potential energy without any energy  (Read 34523 times)

#### forest

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##### Re: Increase the potential energy without any energy
« Reply #30 on: September 21, 2017, 06:17:05 PM »
you need something proportional to something^2 or exponential rise
good example is energy in capacitor

#### activ25

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##### Re: Increase the potential energy without any energy
« Reply #31 on: September 21, 2017, 06:31:33 PM »
you need something proportional to something^2 or exponential rise
good example is energy in capacitor

For simplify the calculations, I took the force from the spring constant (don't depend of the length of the spring, like gravity can do on a molecule of water). But it is possible to take any law of force, proportional, square or exponential, it is better but the calculations are more complex, and I would like to take an example easy to understand.

#### lancaIV

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##### Re: Increase the potential energy without any energy
« Reply #32 on: September 21, 2017, 07:14:58 PM »
And Noether's theorem is based on: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagrangian_(field_theory)

And my device is not continuous, so the theorem of Noether cannot be applied here.
IT IS A GERAL THEOREM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler%E2%80%93Lagrange_equation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vortex_

Which kind of dynamics you exspect by such an impossible trial of
"increase"=+ of potential energy "without any"=+  energy

short content description : changing without change

#### activ25

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##### Re: Increase the potential energy without any energy
« Reply #33 on: September 21, 2017, 07:40:26 PM »
IT IS A GERAL THEOREM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler%E2%80%93Lagrange_equation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vortex_

Which kind of dynamics you exspect by such an impossible trial of
"increase"=+ of potential energy "without any"=+  energy

short content description : changing without change

lancalV: I take an example: increase the length of a spring without any external energy, and don't forget: focus on the device...

#### lancaIV

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##### Re: Increase the potential energy without any energy
« Reply #34 on: September 21, 2017, 07:58:57 PM »
you are writing about your "ideal motor" that it is arithmetical 100/99,66 in % efficient.
Fine

http://www.overunity.com/watermotor/index.htm  arithmetical efficiency ?

#### activ25

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##### Re: Increase the potential energy without any energy
« Reply #35 on: September 21, 2017, 08:05:27 PM »
you are writing about your "ideal motor"
True, it is my thread. And my device creates the energy.

http://www.overunity.com/watermotor/index.htm  arithmetical efficiency ?

Don't forget: focus on the device...

#### lancaIV

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##### Re: Increase the potential energy without any energy
« Reply #36 on: September 21, 2017, 08:15:18 PM »
http://overunity.com/16885/increase-the-potential-energy-without-any-energy/#.WcP_usvwDCw

http://overunity.com/16885/increase-the-potential-energy-without-any-energy/dlattach/attach/160358/image//

left side: gas pressure : P=1 Pa                                                    right side : pressure 100 bar

1 bar =  Pa
https://www.convertunits.com/from/bar/to/pascal
= 100.000 Pascal, one-hundred-thousand

#### activ25

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##### Re: Increase the potential energy without any energy
« Reply #37 on: September 21, 2017, 08:21:51 PM »
http://overunity.com/16885/increase-the-potential-energy-without-any-energy/#.WcP_usvwDCw
left side: gas pressure : P=1 Pa                right side : pressure 100 bar

1 bar =  Pa
https://www.convertunits.com/from/bar/to/pascal
= 100.000 Pascal, one-hundred-thousand

Are you crazy ?

#### lancaIV

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##### Re: Increase the potential energy without any energy
« Reply #38 on: September 21, 2017, 08:30:22 PM »
your us given parameters
http://overunity.com/16885/increase-the-potential-energy-without-any-energy/dlattach/attach/160358/image//

Look for the left pressure number and look for the right side pressure number

https://www.convertunits.com/from/bar/to/pascal

#### activ25

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##### Re: Increase the potential energy without any energy
« Reply #39 on: September 21, 2017, 08:32:02 PM »
your us given parameters
http://overunity.com/16885/increase-the-potential-energy-without-any-energy/dlattach/attach/160358/image//

Look for the left pressure number and look for the right side pressure number

It was the old device... I found my error a long time ago. The new device is in the pdf file, it is not the triangle. The pdf file has 4 pages.

#### Low-Q

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##### Re: Increase the potential energy without any energy
« Reply #40 on: September 21, 2017, 08:36:20 PM »
LancaIV
usually reply

http://www.nonsense.com
strange
, and place

1/2^7

the                 %               €      words all

over the place.

VIDAr

#### lancaIV

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##### Re: Increase the potential energy without any energy
« Reply #41 on: September 21, 2017, 08:52:35 PM »
It was the old device... I found my error a long time ago. The new device is in the pdf file, it is not the triangle. The pdf file has 4 pages.

the reply5-pdf ?

not impossible,but
blue spheres will becoming dots and the shaft a light Spot : no classical mechanical,
but quantum mechanical

f.e. spanisch patent,approved and granted
1€Cent/KWh champion-ship

#### Low-Q

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##### Re: Increase the potential energy without any energy
« Reply #42 on: September 21, 2017, 08:57:27 PM »

#### activ25

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##### Re: Increase the potential energy without any energy
« Reply #43 on: September 22, 2017, 03:24:39 AM »
#5 file "text-inv-3.pdf"

At final, the device is a square

LowQ: so lancalV is a troll, why ADMIN don't destroy its account?

#### lancaIV

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##### Re: Increase the potential energy without any energy
« Reply #44 on: September 22, 2017, 09:47:59 AM »
activ25,read all this thread replies,think about faults,educational and technical,then you are invited to become respected.
It is your -own tutorial- must to delete or minimal give advice about arithmetical errors in your own calculations,not our.

the not above doing- this is real troll-ing

Actually you are a "nobody",virtual and real.

wr
OCWL

p.s.: I normally invest my time in usefull and functional thinks
and things
and administrated a project which became technical
approved and granted.
TECHNICAL STANDART= "Peers degree solution"

this will be -in memoriam Otto Stein-
"DIE ZUKUNFT DER TECHNIK"

Lord Kelvin meets Kirchhoff
https://books.google.pt/books?id=vSIUAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA488&lpg=PA488&dq=lord+kelvin+spring+condensator&source=bl&ots=FXetmoTC2X&sig=7OTyXNq2Mf8pStwIMGPlsAfw4Jw&hl=de&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiZqpXtr7jWAhXF0xoKHYOdB4MQ6AEIXjAM#v=onepage&q=lord%20kelvin%20spring%20condensator&f=false