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Author Topic: Increase the potential energy without any energy  (Read 32178 times)

Offline activ25

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Re: Increase the potential energy without any energy
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2017, 06:03:29 PM »
Mathematical 1nm is the m/n part from a meter.
In living science and Physis you enter with that distance a
matter skin/spin dimension,
where quantum mechanics rules the nano-world.   

It is a theoretical device. Forget one moment mass, friction, quantum problems, etc.
It is a mechanical device, so even with simplifications, in physics, the sum of energy must be constant.

Take the size of an atom of oxygen if you cannot think in theory.

Offline lancaIV

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Re: Increase the potential energy without any energy
« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2017, 06:12:45 PM »
It is a theoretical device. Forget one moment mass, friction, quantum problems, etc.
It is a mechanical device, so even with simplifications, in physics, the sum of energy must be constant.

                  In physics,the sum of energy must be constant.

                  {    }             = constant before "BIG BANG"
                  {  0}             = constant  entropie
                  {<0/neg}      = constant  Gibbs Theorem
                  {>pos/0/neg}= constant  decay

                               theory includs practise/praxis
 "in physics" translated to english/englisch/angelo-saxonic: " in formation from/of ...."

pardon for my answer delay but my unwished,automatic ,language corrector
thinks to know it better and translated the written words, uncommanded, wrong.
                                     autonomous software :P :-\ >:(

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Re: Increase the potential energy without any energy
« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2017, 08:49:06 AM »
                  In physics,the sum of energy must be constant.

                  {    }             = constant before "BIG BANG"
                  {  0}             = constant  entropie
                  {<0/neg}      = constant  Gibbs Theorem
                  {>pos/0/neg}= constant  decay

                               theory includs practise/praxis
 "in physics" translated to english/englisch/angelo-saxonic: " in formation from/of ...."

pardon for my answer delay but my unwished,automatic ,language corrector
thinks to know it better and translated the written words, uncommanded, wrong.
                                     autonomous software :P :-\ >:(

                          Tand,Tand,erschaffen von Menschen mit geringem Verstand
What I called "physics"' is the official physics, not the true physics.
The name of the forum is overunity, so focus on the device please.

Offline lancaIV

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Re: Increase the potential energy without any energy
« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2017, 10:00:06 AM »
                        a.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_constant
                              conditionized energy is conditional : constant

                         b. Pyramid  and metal shaping : why and how

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Re: Increase the potential energy without any energy
« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2017, 10:05:16 AM »
                        a.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_constant
                              conditionized energy is conditional : constant

                         b. Pyramid  and metal shaping : why and how

The device...

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Re: Increase the potential energy without any energy
« Reply #20 on: September 21, 2017, 10:19:22 AM »
The ""virtual" device has as "virtual working medium" a gas :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boltzmann_constant

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_power

The physical,not technical :  https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klirrfaktor

                                             Mengenlehre: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FMengenlehre&edit-text=
                     Verknüpfung, Überschneidung: Schnittpunkt(quantitativ/qualitativ)

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Re: Increase the potential energy without any energy
« Reply #21 on: September 21, 2017, 10:41:17 AM »
The device...read at least all my document.

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Re: Increase the potential energy without any energy
« Reply #22 on: September 21, 2017, 10:47:09 AM »
The device is virtual,only an arithmetical idea,..... is  https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neue_Mathematik   related
google translated:
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Germany: 7th class maths( average 12-13 years pupils)

Offline activ25

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Re: Increase the potential energy without any energy
« Reply #23 on: September 21, 2017, 10:52:15 AM »
The device is virtual,only an arithmetical idea,..... is  https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neue_Mathematik related

No, you missed something: the device is theoretical for simplify the calculations:

No mass: no differential equations
No friction: so difficult to compute with friction...

BUT, it is very important: it is possible to have a mass for all the parts. And friction too.

It is a theoretical simplification to simplify the calculations not because at final this device must be without mass and friction. If I'm right with this theoretical device, I'm right with a device with mass and friction.

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Re: Increase the potential energy without any energy
« Reply #24 on: September 21, 2017, 10:57:51 AM »
If you take away some digits/letters from a mathematical fixed formula,
how and what you will get a/-s result ?

                                          SYNTAX(A) ERROR

                                 be ever (nearest) the reality

from Froebele(Kindergarten) to https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FSch%25C3%25B6rlp%25C3%25A4dagogik&edit-text=
                           spatial division method,
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Re: Increase the potential energy without any energy
« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2017, 11:05:41 AM »
If you take away some digits/letters form a mathematical fixed formula,
how and what you will get a/-s result ?

                                          SYNTAX(A) ERROR

                                 be ever (nearest) the reality

OK lancalV, I understood.

lancalV: forget my thread please.

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Re: Increase the potential energy without any energy
« Reply #26 on: September 21, 2017, 01:27:55 PM »
If you use a calculator, and do the math with that one, the calculator will not provide an answer that is higher than the mathematical sum or product of numbers you put into the equation. This is a major problem when trying to calculate the output to be more than 100%.


I guess you must turn into something like virtual math that does not obey the mathematical rules. But then you must be the first to invent such a calculator.


Don't forget that what you want to find is a product of it all. To calculate energy, you must deal with multiplication from two general sizes. For example mass multiplied with displacement. Force multiplied with displacement.
Many hobby scientist focus on forces only, and get stunning results with their calculator. Then I tell them to multiply force with displacement, then the product allways ends up in zero.


Using math correctly, and account for total displacement, total forces, in every possible direction, is very important if you want the result to be correct. The result, if done correctly, allways ends up in zero.
Sadly true.


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Re: Increase the potential energy without any energy
« Reply #27 on: September 21, 2017, 02:20:45 PM »
I use maths. The device without the white disk conserved the sum of energy, I calculated the integrals. Now,with the white disk, I count the energies: potential energies (at start and at final) from the springs, and work of the walls: force (pressure by surface) by angular rotation. I don't need a mass to have an energy, the basic formula is force by length. And if look at the final equations, I wrote energies not forces.

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Re: Increase the potential energy without any energy
« Reply #28 on: September 21, 2017, 04:38:48 PM »
      free parameter or need of energy input calculation !?     

             spring ! natural season or industrial device ?

             https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noether%27s_theorem

             100%-99,66%= 0,0034% - error-preserve +/- ? %


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Re: Increase the potential energy without any energy
« Reply #29 on: September 21, 2017, 06:09:13 PM »
      free parameter or need of energy input calculation !?     

             spring ! natural season or industrial device ?

             https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noether%27s_theorem

             100%-99,66%= 0,0034% - error-preserve +/- ? %


    wmbr
            OCWL

And Noether's theorem is based on: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagrangian_(field_theory)

And my device is not continuous, so the theorem of Noether cannot be applied here.