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Author Topic: My Theory! I can't find why it wouldn't work! Big suprize!  (Read 33330 times)

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Re: My Theory! I can't find why it wouldn't work! Big suprize!
« Reply #46 on: November 16, 2006, 11:04:21 AM »
I liked the read...
I still dont know how the locks will work though...

An idea you gave me:

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Re: My Theory! I can't find why it wouldn't work! Big suprize!
« Reply #47 on: November 16, 2006, 02:48:21 PM »
Hi Nwman
You wanted to know where this formula comes from. This formula is part of the lever laws, one of the first material  you learn in physics. For every moving object you have to calculate the resultant forces, considering move direction, gravity, redirection and so on.
The most problem people have with wheels, is if the device has a center, they will always have losses on the spokes, whatever you do and however lenghs or shorten them.
The best example herefor are centrifugal forces, witch are known to double by just increasing one RPM. But where are this forces when a wheel spin?  Answer: The forces are cancel out by the cetripetal forces from the spokes. That?s reason why they are useless.

Someone in this thread pointed out that if you want to build your wheel, you should begin with one spoke. Increasing the number of weights (spokes)  won?t give you more out. If the principle works it will work with one spoke too. More spokes will only produce a smoother regular movement - that?s all.

A simple test/experiment for U.

Turn your bycicle upside down, and stick two weights on the outer diameter of the wheel, one on 12 and one on 6 o?clock position. The weight on 6 o?clock you have to stick about 2 cm nearer to the center than the other one (for simulate the lifting). The wheel will not move itself, if the upper weight is exactly on 12 o?clock.
Now move the wheel by hand clockwise to 1 o?clock. You will notice that the wheel will acelerate very slow till the weight reaches the 3 o?clock pos. From now on it will have its maximum aceleration. But only to the 6 o?clock.

If you want to have a good read about gravity wheels, pendulum, try  www.evert.de. It is german page, but some of the experiments form Prof. Evert are translated.

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Re: My Theory! I can't find why it wouldn't work! Big suprize!
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Re: My Theory! I can't find why it wouldn't work! Big suprize!
« Reply #48 on: November 16, 2006, 02:53:31 PM »
allcanadian - sorry to say but I don't think your design will even move. Your are actually lifting the full weight starting vertically then on a slight incline. Also the weight below left center should be outward since after you tried to slide it up, it fell back down. Also, you are trying to lift both the top and bottom weights at the same time and the only excess energy you have is the center right weight outward.

Also, nwman is assuming to many things in his calculations as being pre-supposed on a physical basis. Weights on the top right being lifted and staying lifted counters the laws of gravity when a rotation is staring from zero. Otherwise you have to use latching to hold them up and you will have to expend energy to unlatch to lift them when at bottom.

If you first look at the problem in its true natural state as shown below Fig 1, you will notice that there are four weights inwards on top and four weights outward on the bottom. That's where I would start from.

The horizontal center or equator would be the lowest energy consuming region to transfer weight. As shown in Fig 2, the blue ski jump type planes are positioned so that the right side shifts first outward, then the left side shifts inwards. By differing the shift time, you are handling a smaller peek energy consumption. The actual excess would be one weight on the right. As the rotation speeds up, centrifugal force will eliminate the use of the right jump, and the left jump would be like a quick inwards/outward motion just to keep up the disequilibrium.

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Re: My Theory! I can't find why it wouldn't work! Big suprize!
« Reply #49 on: November 16, 2006, 07:17:05 PM »
Doesn't work sorry!
« Last Edit: November 21, 2006, 04:16:41 AM by nwman »

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Re: My Theory! I can't find why it wouldn't work! Big suprize!
« Reply #50 on: November 16, 2006, 08:06:38 PM »
Click on the pic to see the concept animated...
Let me know what you think!
(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1688.0;attach=4077;image)

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Re: My Theory! I can't find why it wouldn't work! Big suprize!
« Reply #51 on: November 16, 2006, 08:17:34 PM »
Ive just about had it with these damn popups- do you get them ? and words in blue, missing words this sucks

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Re: My Theory! I can't find why it wouldn't work! Big suprize!
« Reply #52 on: November 16, 2006, 08:45:46 PM »
Ive just about had it with these damn popups- do you get them ? and words in blue, missing words this sucks

I get the "ad words" but no pop ups.

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Re: My Theory! I can't find why it wouldn't work! Big suprize!
« Reply #53 on: November 16, 2006, 08:59:04 PM »
I got a fix for the adwords and popups, click on the question mark in the ad, go to bottom and click disable contentlink then everything is normal, I was about to snap! man is that annoying

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Re: My Theory! I can't find why it wouldn't work! Big suprize!
« Reply #54 on: November 16, 2006, 09:00:40 PM »
dingus nice animation, did you know bessler used a pendulum?

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Re: My Theory! I can't find why it wouldn't work! Big suprize!
« Reply #55 on: November 16, 2006, 10:24:35 PM »
Doesn't work sorry!
« Last Edit: November 21, 2006, 04:17:08 AM by nwman »

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Re: My Theory! I can't find why it wouldn't work! Big suprize!
« Reply #56 on: November 16, 2006, 11:29:22 PM »
Hi Nwman,
The torque for a given position is still force x distance.  But because its the distance from the vertical center line you need to use the cosine rule to work out your distance as someone has already mentioned.

Hi Allcanadian,

OK, I think I need to explain where you are going wrong on the post about rolling the weights horizontally.
(don't worry, I considered this one too).
For the spoke to rotate to the position where you can roll the weight you have one tiny problem:
1. There is no counter-weight to allow the spoke to rotate in the first place because you detached it.

Magnets idea:
This is quite an interesting one and I suspect that the people at Steorn have uncovered something with this:
http://www.steorn.net

Generally the repulsion will be so great it will stop the spoke from getting to 6 O'clock.
Ahh, but what about the counter action of the attraction of top spoke I hear you say:
The magnet will be a lot further away so it cannot equal the repulsing force.
(attraction is inversely proportional to the distance apart)

For this to work you need a magnetic shield device which is what I think Steorn have.
So what you need it the luck of the Irish and you've cracked it!

Regards

Rob

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Re: My Theory! I can't find why it wouldn't work! Big suprize!
« Reply #57 on: November 16, 2006, 11:34:04 PM »
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Re: My Theory! I can't find why it wouldn't work! Big suprize!
« Reply #58 on: November 17, 2006, 01:54:16 AM »
Kingrs
Detach the weight?, I most certainly did-both of them
Damn
Very long arms would help change the in weight Vs out weight(one weight lifting 3)But-But- this is why I had moved on from gravity wheels a long time ago.If it isnt one thing it's another. Oh well back to the drawing board.

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Re: My Theory! I can't find why it wouldn't work! Big suprize!
« Reply #59 on: November 17, 2006, 07:05:51 AM »
@ nwman,

I'm changing the design up as it comes to me. Check out the new version, it'll explain more.

 

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