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Author Topic: My Theory! I can't find why it wouldn't work! Big suprize!  (Read 39174 times)

Offline FreeEnergy

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Re: My Theory! I can't find why it wouldn't work! Big suprize!
« Reply #30 on: November 15, 2006, 12:02:27 PM »
Now you just have to find a way to lift the weights...

lol that's what he's been trying to explaine.

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Re: My Theory! I can't find why it wouldn't work! Big suprize!
« Reply #31 on: November 15, 2006, 02:41:33 PM »
Hi Nwman,
I think there are a few problems with your calculations (the torque for a given weight will be different at each position).

But put it this way, you lift a weight and use up 1 unit of energy, you drop it and expend 1 unit of energy.
You can attach it to a wheel, balance it on your head, even put a dress on it but you will not get it to do any work for you.

What you could do is replace the weights with buckets and place the buckets under a stream of water...oh hang on someone has already invented that.

Regards

Rob



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Re: My Theory! I can't find why it wouldn't work! Big suprize!
« Reply #32 on: November 15, 2006, 05:00:07 PM »
Doesn't work sorry!
« Last Edit: November 21, 2006, 04:14:59 AM by nwman »

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Re: My Theory! I can't find why it wouldn't work! Big suprize!
« Reply #33 on: November 15, 2006, 05:18:11 PM »
Hi all
For calculate the force from each weight after the 12 o?clock (clockwise) you have to consider the angles of each position the weights are placed.
Use this formula:   Fh = Fweight*cos alpha (angle of the spoke vertical through the center of your wheel)

Where Fh is the force that is "absorbed" by the spoke, that sustain the weight and though it?s lost.
Substract now Fh from Fweight. And this amount of Nm is that you can work with.

Calculate this for all weights considering that you have a counter force from the weight on the other side.

You will see that in sum it will be less than you calculated before.

Sorry for this bad explanation, but I hope you understand what I mean.

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Re: My Theory! I can't find why it wouldn't work! Big suprize!
« Reply #34 on: November 15, 2006, 05:54:24 PM »
@kingrs
I don't think you getting this- In the picture i have posted could you show me where any weights are lifted 1m? The weight at the top moves horizontally along the blue line, outwards not up, in reality it falls slightly.As well the bottom weight moves horizontally along the blue line with no lifting, So at this point all your calculations seem irrelavent. In fact the only problem this wheel has  is when the weights move in or out, centripital forces. The analogy here is a figure skater spinning-she moves her arms in, speed of rotation increases- she moves her arm out, speed of rotation decreases. But as the top weight moves out, the bottom weight moves in, so forces cancel, but the weights must move along the blue line therefore accelerate along the blue line, this acceleration is opposite to the wheel rotation and therefore slows the rotor.

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Re: My Theory! I can't find why it wouldn't work! Big suprize!
« Reply #35 on: November 15, 2006, 06:41:39 PM »
Here is a better picture showing the horizontal guide ramps in grey, you will notice the weight is falling into the outer position,falling into the inner position. The working /weight in red could be a wheel on a bearing to reduce rolling friction on the ramps, as well the weight should be very small in diameter. One other consideration is the fact that if the weight is a wheel then the upper ramp will impart a clockwise spin to the weight, when hitting the lower ramp a counter-clockwise spin is induced, so we have a braking action. One answer would be to make the weight an eccentric weight or unbalanced mass, then impart a braking action to the offset weight at the outermost position, this would produce a forward acceleration on the rotor.
Yikes this is getting complicated! as always.

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Re: My Theory! I can't find why it wouldn't work! Big suprize!
« Reply #36 on: November 16, 2006, 03:14:53 AM »
Now you just have to find a way to lift the weights...

lol that's what he's been trying to explaine.

Not really...
He has shown some math that may or may not prove he has the energy required to do the work, but not any explanation thus far on how he plans on lifting the weights mechanicly. Really at this point I've seen lots of math and theory, now I just want to see his plan for a prototyped proof of concept.

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Re: My Theory! I can't find why it wouldn't work! Big suprize!
« Reply #37 on: November 16, 2006, 04:03:12 AM »
You have that right, math said the airplane could not fly, that the power of the atom could never be harnessed, I know the math-enough to know it means nothing. There are two options here you build it or it fades into history as another idea.

Offline FreeEnergy

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Re: My Theory! I can't find why it wouldn't work! Big suprize!
« Reply #38 on: November 16, 2006, 04:05:37 AM »
he is NOT lifting but sliding horizontaly which requires less energy. try it for your self with a can of food. more energy is needed to lift a can of food than to roll horizontaly!

Offline nwman

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Re: My Theory! I can't find why it wouldn't work! Big suprize!
« Reply #39 on: November 16, 2006, 07:37:24 AM »
Doesn't work sorry!
« Last Edit: November 21, 2006, 04:15:19 AM by nwman »

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Re: My Theory! I can't find why it wouldn't work! Big suprize!
« Reply #40 on: November 16, 2006, 07:39:30 AM »
Doesn't work sorry!
« Last Edit: November 21, 2006, 04:15:49 AM by nwman »

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Re: My Theory! I can't find why it wouldn't work! Big suprize!
« Reply #41 on: November 16, 2006, 07:44:40 AM »
Doesn't work sorry!
« Last Edit: November 21, 2006, 04:16:04 AM by nwman »

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Re: My Theory! I can't find why it wouldn't work! Big suprize!
« Reply #42 on: November 16, 2006, 07:53:00 AM »
Doesn't work sorry!
« Last Edit: November 21, 2006, 04:16:08 AM by nwman »

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Re: My Theory! I can't find why it wouldn't work! Big suprize!
« Reply #43 on: November 16, 2006, 08:39:26 AM »
Rolling the weights in to position makes perfect sense to me, how will they lock into place though?

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Re: My Theory! I can't find why it wouldn't work! Big suprize!
« Reply #44 on: November 16, 2006, 08:49:50 AM »
Doesn't work sorry!
« Last Edit: November 21, 2006, 04:16:30 AM by nwman »