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Title: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: lancaIV on September 10, 2016, 02:23:04 AM

http://williamsondailynews.com/news/649/local-inventor-gets-patent (http://williamsondailynews.com/news/649/local-inventor-gets-patent)
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http://www.energymev.org/english/ (http://www.energymev.org/english/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-J46dxOEv0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-J46dxOEv0)


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20160316&CC=ES&NR=1152833U&KC=U


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20150714&CC=ES&NR=1141381U&KC=U
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: TinselKoala on September 10, 2016, 04:57:06 AM
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This model performed what Hicks was looking for and can, in fact, generate 110 VAC (Volts Alternating Current) – 220 VAC and can be pushed to 300-400 VAC. Two test cycles were performed where one 20 hour and 40 hour run came out with great results. The 20 hour run cycle produced a total of 348,000 watts, it only used 95,700 of those watts to recharge the system, which left 252,300 watts that could have been sold to a utility company. The 40 hour test cycle produced 696,000 watts, it took 150,480 watts to recharge the system and left 545,520 watts that could have been sold to a utility company.

Somebody doesn't know his watts from his .... whatevers.
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: lancaIV on September 10, 2016, 11:27:18 AM
I see that Hicks is also peswiki listed:
http://peswiki.com/directory:daniel-hicks-green-line-energy-qmogen (http://peswiki.com/directory:daniel-hicks-green-line-energy-qmogen)


His system is quite involved. It has three sets that take turns. So, everything you see in the tent is part of the whole assembly. Each of the three sets includes the following components:
36-Volt battery array comprised of six 6-V deep cycle, lead-acid batteries in series each with 360 A-h capacity.
Three DC motors 3 HP each, which run on the 36-V supply.
A hydraulic system that is powered by the DC motors.
Two AC generators phased together, each capable of 2.9 KVA.
An AC-powered battery charger to recharge the batteries.
Only 21% of the power is all that is needed to loop back into the system to recharge the batteries.
According to my calculations, the gross power output is 5.8 kW. The battery charger consumes 1.2 kW, leaving 4.6 kW net for external power supply.
He runs each set for about 3-4 hours, careful not to let the batteries get below 50% of their capacity.
When the next set comes online, the 21% of power from one of the AG generators isn't looped back to its own batteries, but goes to recharge the batteries of the set that just ran.
He said the whole prototype, all of which is from off-the-shelf components, cost  :P  $20,000 USD. :P

20000 USD / 4,6 KW net =  :o   okay,the prototype  ::)  The commercial ready2use-set ? 4600 USD ? Less ? ;)   
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: lancaIV on September 10, 2016, 11:36:07 AM
http://www.energymev.org/english/ (http://www.energymev.org/english/)
their second invention description(google)translated :
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=es&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fworldwide.espacenet.com%2FpublicationDetails%2Fdescription%3FCC%3DES%26NR%3D1141381U%26KC%3DU%26FT%3DD%26ND%3D3%26date%3D20150714%26DB%3DEPODOC%26locale%3Den_EP&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=es&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fworldwide.espacenet.com%2FpublicationDetails%2Fdescription%3FCC%3DES%26NR%3D1141381U%26KC%3DU%26FT%3DD%26ND%3D3%26date%3D20150714%26DB%3DEPODOC%26locale%3Den_EP&edit-text=)


from their page:

In a modest prototype built from recycled electric motor of an old treadmill amazing results they were achieved.
Connecting the motor to a current of 72V and consuming 1A, that is, using 72W power the engine ran the main mechanical service offering in and out 147,6V and 1A, 147W that we use to power a light bulb.
 
The Motor MEV produced mechanical work while offering twice the power than it consumed.
 
Where does the extra energy? It is extracted from the magnetic power by computer configuration.


I think this is a great idea to demonstrate written concepts like :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20110804&CC=US&NR=2011187319A1&KC=A1 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20110804&CC=US&NR=2011187319A1&KC=A1)
a not only for battery charging,but also:
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?FT=D&date=20080812&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP&CC=US&NR=7411363B2&KC=B2&ND=4 (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?FT=D&date=20080812&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP&CC=US&NR=7411363B2&KC=B2&ND=4)
Electric motor efficiency is the measure of the ability of an electric motor to convert electrical energy to mechanical energy. An energy-efficient motor is a motor that gives the same mechanical output strength but uses less electrical energy input. To increase electric motor efficiency, the electric power consumption and motor losses must be reduced. Energy-efficient motors conserve electrical energy and may be used for a variety of uses, including within hybrid cars, to increase fuel-efficiency. Electrical motor power consumption efficiency (Efficiency) can be calculated by the following equation:Efficiency=(100%)*(Mechanical power output)/(Electrical power input).The present disclosure has evaluated numerous conventional motor-related circuits and identified new methods that realize power conservation that is approximately 150% to around 200% better than conventionally available motors.

There is voltage across the inductor connected in series to the capacitor and there is voltage across the inductor connected in parallel to the capacitor. Since Power=voltage*current, a single power input produces two branches of electromagnetic power output, increasing the
power output. In the alternative, the present disclosure may have one electromagnetic power output with less energy input.


The tests do not provide figures for the true power consumption of the conventional motor and re-wound motor, but a comparison of the data between the two motors shows that the re-wound motor conserves more energy. For example, the Line PIN of the conventional motor on load is measured at 345 VA and the power output measured is at 373.75 VA, whereas the Line PIN of the re-wound motor on load is measured at 184 VA and the power output measured is at 361 VA. The data illustrates that much less energy is consumed to generate a similar mechanical power output in the re-wound motor.





Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: lancaIV on September 10, 2016, 12:08:06 PM
FE in the news :
what happened with the R-Walker invention from Mexico ?
http://overunity.com/15764/r-walker-selfsustaining-free-energy-bike-from-mexico/30/#.V9PcmSmbJZ4 (http://overunity.com/15764/r-walker-selfsustaining-free-energy-bike-from-mexico/30/#.V9PcmSmbJZ4)


This here ,unimportant ?
http://www.zougla.gr/perivallon/article/energia-ap-to-nero (http://www.zougla.gr/perivallon/article/energia-ap-to-nero)
Electrophasmatic generator : DC input/ AC  output http://www.zougla.gr/image.ashx?fid=1811736 (http://www.zougla.gr/image.ashx?fid=1811736)
as pedelec AC drive range extender ?


or are Shkondins Ultramotor 200 miles range enough ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3_xvqR5QxA
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: justawatt on September 10, 2016, 01:30:31 PM
These are the youtube channels where people are trying to replicate.

https://www.youtube.com/user/demiscorp/videos?shelf_id=0&view=0&sort=dd

https://www.youtube.com/user/jmrzarza/videos?sort=dd&shelf_id=0&view=0

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjoYp8a57h0kV2IpMaS9ByA/videos

https://www.youtube.com/user/MrZafiroboss/videos (this link imp)
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: penno64 on September 10, 2016, 02:22:25 PM
Hope tinman has a crack at this.

Just like his rt
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: lancaIV on September 10, 2016, 02:31:50 PM
What he has to say ? 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-J46dxOEv0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-J46dxOEv0)
40 minutes ? someone can translate it for the audience ? 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5z7_1m9p6g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5z7_1m9p6g)
                                              300%
tinman,rt ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfPef4Q2jkg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfPef4Q2jkg)  reminds http://rexresearch.com/alxandr/alexandr.htm (http://rexresearch.com/alxandr/alexandr.htm)
In practice, the primary D.C. motor windings are of fewer turns in the rotor slots than the secondary A.C. generator windings. For example the primary motor windings 10 are flat wound between north to south poles of the field while the secondary generator windings are flat wound in the same or common slots of the rotor armature. In a typical unit having a four brush commutator with 20 bars and having a 20 slot armature, the primary windings 10 are comprised of a number of turns of conductor to efficiently draw 48 volts D.C. at 25 amperes or 1200 Watts to rotate at 1750 RPM; while the secondary windings 11 are comprised of a number of turns of conductor to efficiently deliver 60 cycle (by transforming and generating) 110 volts A.C. at 32 amperes or 3520 Watts; the volt meter used to read these values upon an actual reduction to practice being calibrated to read the root-mean-square (rms) value of the pure sine wave, which is 70.7% of the peak voltage.
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: tagor on September 10, 2016, 05:29:48 PM
What he has to say ? 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-J46dxOEv0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-J46dxOEv0)
40 minutes ? someone can translate it for the audience ? 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5z7_1m9p6g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5z7_1m9p6g)


good  :D :D
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: lancaIV on September 10, 2016, 06:40:29 PM
Pardon moi,tagor,mais espanhol ce nest pas ma longue maternal,ne pas aussi paternal  !
Je compris ,mais quarente minutes :P 


Olli und concentration ! Hyper-activity ;)


Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: gyulasun on September 10, 2016, 08:35:18 PM
Pardon moi,tagor,mais espanhol ce nest pas ma longue maternal,ne pas aussi paternal  !
Je compris ,mais quarente minutes :P 


Olli und concentration ! Hyper-activity ;)

Olá LancaIV,

No need to 'suffer' with translation, the same video exists in English too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp91ARt0C8I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp91ARt0C8I) 

It is rather unfortunate that no real load test was performed. It means nothing if output voltage from generator is 2 or 3 times higher than input voltage to the motor... 

Regards,
Gyula
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: lancaIV on September 10, 2016, 09:37:20 PM
Good evening,gyula and
"Merci,beaucoup !"



I would "suffer" to have to translate the "40 minutes video conference" !


You are right,they did only tested the device under no load condition and will not have to let the device
examinated by their national patent office cause they only applied national for the "utility model" solution !
But this is only a temporarely question if they want to commercialize the invention !
It has to be functional or they will fail !


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Not beeing against the technology and this spanish project team I do not like to see the international patent right and right limits misused/abused :

MEV Technology, protected worldwide under Utility Model ES 1 141 381 Y, is a property of Felipe Peña Luengo and Vicente Lucia Latorre. Copying, manufacturing or distributing of MEV Technology is forbidden unless having the explicit consent of the owners. To get this consent, please contact us through email, contacto@energymev.org.
 
La  Tecnología MEV, protegida a nivel mundial a partir del modelo de utilidad ES 1 141 381 Y, es propiedad de Felipe Peña Luengo y de Vicente Lucia  Latorre. La copia,  fabricación o distribución de la Tecnología MEV está prohibida a menos que se tenga el consentimiento explícito de los propietarios. Para obtener este consentimiento, por favor, póngase en contacto con nosotros a través del correo electrónico contacto@energymev.org.

                                   wrong situation description :

If the MEV team only applied national as "utility model/modelo de utilidad ES........" and not EP/WIPO-wide
they can not claim to have their invention worldwide=a nivel mundial  protected=protegida and
this only the commercial market related ,
the commercial patent property right(PCT-Trade Act) is in and for private use not existent !
 
Nobody needs a licence to copy this neither worldwide nor in Spain,if this device is in off-grid use !
                               But they -MEV- can f.e. sell DIY-plans or kits !


Or they make a technical breakthrough and get the possibility to apply for worldwide rights !
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: tagor on September 11, 2016, 06:53:11 AM
Pardon moi,tagor,mais espanhol ce nest pas ma longue maternal,ne pas aussi paternal  !
Je compris ,mais quarente minutes :P 


Olli und concentration ! Hyper-activity ;)



Quote
        Fundación M.E.V. (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjoYp8a57h0kV2IpMaS9ByA)il y a 3 semaines (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5z7_1m9p6g&lc=z124cj0jaymthb0bq04cd5eyulakdpob4xk0k.1471627657375470)Hola Antonio. En estas pruebas no hemos probado la potencia generadora, sino certificar lo que está patentado. Para medir esa potencia necesitaríamos poner carga al MEV. Haremos pruebas de generación con los nuevos prototipos en los que estamos trabajando en estos momentos y os informaremos. Un saludo

ils ont fait les tests sans charge pour valider le brevet
maintenant ils vont faire d'autres tests avec charge
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: lancaIV on September 11, 2016, 10:48:43 AM
Spain seems to become something like a FE-thinktank :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2r-R3mm2EcE
http://www.bioo.tech
 
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: lancaIV on September 11, 2016, 10:58:45 AM


ils ont fait les tests sans charge pour valider le brevet
maintenant ils vont faire d'autres tests avec charge


Hola Pablo. Estas pruebas se han hecho sin carga, por lo que no podemos hablar aquí de intensidad. Es como si tenemos un enchufe al que no enchufamos nada, por lo que la corriente (intensidad) no circula. Los miliamperios de salida se deben simplemente a la carga que supone la bobina propia del motor. Lo que sí hemos probado es que es posible construir un motor generador, y que este prototipo multiplica el voltaje más del triple. Estamos ahora fabricando el primer motor MEV no adaptado (sino construido desde cero) y con el haremos las pruebas de rendimiento generador


motor-generator back-emf-circuit : http://electrifyingtimes.com/trinity_motor.html (http://electrifyingtimes.com/trinity_motor.html) At its current levels, the PowerMax system returns up to 85% of energy required to run the motor---under full load---to run an electric car.

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=31&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20040805&CC=US&NR=2004150289A1&KC=A1

The best explanation, according to Trinity CEO, Gordon James, is that the motor engineering community over the last one hundred years has focused on 'the work' that a motor produces at the shaft. 'Work' refers to the amount of horse power that the rotating motion of the shaft can bring to bear to run pumps, condensers, fans and all the other devices that motors make 'work.' Engineers view this 'work' as related to the amount of electric power that is consumed in order to reach 1HP at the rotating shaft.
For Example: 20 Amps @ 110Volts of Power generally equates to approximately 1 HP in a typical AC motor.
                                                       ~                                            3/1

no load/ load : up to 1000% difference
http://www.inpama.com/index.php?content=invention&id=1073 (http://www.inpama.com/index.php?content=invention&id=1073) as no load-energy buster
But the average consumption of each phase for the modified motor is 0.22 A
At the maximum load for the modified motor consumption up to 2.5 A for each phase
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: memoryman on September 11, 2016, 04:03:03 PM
First of all, being featured on Peswiki/PESN is an almost 100% evidence that it doesn't work.
Second, most of the posters here are mixing their units up: power, energy, work. Get your basics right first.
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: lancaIV on September 11, 2016, 05:31:54 PM
That is not very politely,memoryman !


If they know to do physically right Calorie/Joule/Watt/hp/Nm/Voltage/Ampere measurements from a functional prototype and get real usefull work (light,motor movement with load,heat,cool,vehicle movement,... ) then it it is really unimportant which expressions they use !


This media entrance is only to get "the media crowd" attended !


Treat Peswiki/PESN,rexresearch,epo.org,Nature,phys.org and other like the archive.org :
24 /365 exposition and information availability with local and name of people/groups/ whose probably can give you the right solution or answer for searched possibilities !


U.S.A. :f.e. M.I.T.,Stanford,Harvard,DARPA Germany:f.e. Max-Planck-Institute,Fraunhofer-Institute


Let us hope that they get their basics also right.



Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: memoryman on September 11, 2016, 09:24:11 PM
Maybe not ultra-polite, but still very much correct. If the basics are wrong, what follows will also be wrong.
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: tinman on September 12, 2016, 04:51:29 AM
Hope tinman has a crack at this.

Just like his rt

I would be happy to share my results of my latest RT design,but that comes with an acceptance from all that i will not be presenting the internal workings of the device,nor will i be pressured to do so.

It has also come to my attention that some one i trusted has betrayed that trust,and is now linking his design-and taking credit for my work with the RT being based around his design.

I want to make it very clear that my work is my own design,and in no way is linked to-or based around anyone else's work here-or anywhere else for that matter.

So,if all are happy for me to show how the RT perform's,and understand that i will not be releasing the internal workings of the RT at this time,then i am happy to show where i am at with the RT at this point in time.

I would also like to make it clear that the RT dose not operate like the devices being discussed in this thread(although outer appearances look much the same),and so,may not belong in this thread.

I'll leave it up to the people in this thread to decide,and let me know by way of comments in this thread,as to whether i post here or not.


Brad
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: penno64 on September 12, 2016, 05:59:51 AM
Thanks for that offer Brad.

I would dearly love to see where you are at performance wise.

Understand that this device utilise a third brush and I have already tested this out on a non permanent
magnet universal motor (like the vac motor in the RTv3 videos) and sure enough - you can pull a greater voltage out from the third brush.

Have a spare treadmill motor that I will cut away some of the casing near the rotor to expose the commutator and test as shown.

If you like I can begin a new thread titled Tinman's RT - 09/16 progress.

Once again, thanks for the offer.

Sorry to hear about the betrayal you encountered and fully understand the need to keep things close to you chest.

Regards, Penno
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: tinman on September 12, 2016, 09:14:35 AM
Thanks for that offer Brad.

I would dearly love to see where you are at performance wise.

Understand that this device utilise a third brush and I have already tested this out on a non permanent
magnet universal motor (like the vac motor in the RTv3 videos) and sure enough - you can pull a greater voltage out from the third brush.

Have a spare treadmill motor that I will cut away some of the casing near the rotor to expose the commutator and test as shown.

If you like I can begin a new thread titled Tinman's RT - 09/16 progress.

Once again, thanks for the offer.

Sorry to hear about the betrayal you encountered and fully understand the need to keep things close to you chest.

Regards, Penno

No-no new thread,as i dont have much to offer a dedicated thread.


Brad
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: gyulasun on September 12, 2016, 05:10:47 PM

....
I'll leave it up to the people in this thread to decide,and let me know by way of comments in this thread,as to whether i post here or not.
....

Hi Brad,

I would also be interested in your rt device regarding where you are at with it nowadays. I understand your stance of not presenting the internal workings of the device.

I have written to lancaIV who started this thread and he just answered positively to use this thread. 

Thanks, Gyula
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: lancaIV on September 12, 2016, 08:06:40 PM
Maybe not ultra-polite, but still very much correct. If the basics are wrong, what follows will also be wrong.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/05/140515123331.htm (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/05/140515123331.htm)
"We were able to convert a high-output performance of ~250 V from the slight mechanical deformation of a single thin plastic substrate. Such output power is just enough to turn on 100 LED lights," Keon Jae Lee explained.


The self-powered nanogenerators can also work with finger and foot motions. For example, under the irregular and slight bending motions of a human finger, the measured current signals had a high electric power of ~8.7 μA.

But the important part of this article is the notice about an achieved world-record in efficiency !
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: memoryman on September 12, 2016, 08:58:11 PM
"But the important part of this article is the notice about an achieved world-record in efficiency !"
nonsense; no actual efficiency figures are quoted before or after.
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: lancaIV on September 12, 2016, 09:41:27 PM
"But the important part of this article is the notice about an achieved world-record in efficiency !"
nonsense; no actual efficiency figures are quoted before or after.
In addition, the piezoelectric nanogenerator has world-record power conversion efficiency,almost 40 times higher than previously reported similar research results, solving the drawbacks related to the fabrication complexity and low energy efficiency.


Pardon,memoryman,english is not my mother-language,but I think to understand what is written !
This is an article,a short information about a work performance which has several months -up to years professional re-/search behind !


KAIST is the name from this scientific org,who is interested to get more detailed information has
not to discuss this in third hands kind -there is the right place to become involved !
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: memoryman on September 12, 2016, 09:50:58 PM
Well, English isn't my first language either.
I see little actual data; just hype.
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: lancaIV on September 12, 2016, 09:59:00 PM
I think that you do not understand the today information management,the copy-paste format !


another info channel with the same article http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2014-05/tkai-kmg051514.php (http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2014-05/tkai-kmg051514.php)


It is not a hype,it is a notice ! 250V á 8 myA is not much from outsider view,but for insider this is a breakthrough !


And this correlate with all other news in the media : be attended but do not believe in all the content !
And technical lab breakthrough needs much time to come to market ,10-20 years is not uncommon !


from the article:
  "Building on this concept, it is highly expected that tiny mechanical motions, including human body movements of muscle contraction and relaxation, can be readily converted into electrical energy and, furthermore, acted as eternal power sources."
 btw "eternal" : not a hype worth ? perpetuum conversion


p.s.:
Second, most of the posters here are mixing their units up: power, energy, work. Get your basics right first.
#22 : 250V = "power"  8 myA= "power" ;)  Headline,Title,First Side - that is important http://media.eurekalert.org/multimedia_prod/pub/web/73313_web.jpg
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: ramset on September 13, 2016, 12:21:40 PM
Lanca
It is good to pay attention
a few years back the open source group I work with was playing with Graphene , it became apparent an electron beam
microscope would really be necessary , ...so we started looking [shopping] and it seemed every electron beam microscope in South Korea was up for sale on Ebay ,apparently too slow or too old to compete [resolution, speed , real time viewing etc etc]
even one year old Scopes were apparently too old......

basically All Junk in the NEW high tech Hunt/race for Nano , where the Guy who can see what  _God_ sees will be the winner
and perhaps a new creator......

again your link
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2014-05/tkai-kmg051514.php

Thanks.

Chet K
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: gotoluc on September 13, 2016, 10:17:03 PM
Interesting topic


I'm testing at this time and will report my findings in a day or so.


BTW this one is getting closer to Brad's RT v3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt1tayxkPj4


Luc
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: gotoluc on September 15, 2016, 05:55:08 PM
Here is my first test which is not an exact replication but shows it to be promising.


Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vo7PqEhUwSA
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: memoryman on September 15, 2016, 07:00:39 PM
my comment on your video: Do proper calculations and you'll see that there is NO energy gain.
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: gotoluc on September 15, 2016, 09:29:17 PM
my comment on your video: Do proper calculations and you'll see that there is NO energy gain.


How do you know!... have you built and tested it to be so?
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: memoryman on September 15, 2016, 10:08:32 PM
I did the calculations from what you supplied on the video; no need to build something that can't work.
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: gotoluc on September 16, 2016, 12:42:42 AM
I did the calculations from what you supplied on the video; no need to build something that can't work.


I would say your're jumping to conclusions a little too fast.

As far as I'm concerned I didn't provide enough test data in the video to come to a conclusion.
You need to consider the RPM gain when the bulb is applied.
I have done more accurate power measurements then you have which considers rpm in each cases.
So sorry to say but your conclusion is not correct.
Sounds like you want this to fail?


It's sad how negative some are here. Seems to be the opposite direction of this forum!
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: tinman on September 16, 2016, 01:39:17 AM

I would say your're jumping to conclusions a little too fast.

As far as I'm concerned I didn't provide enough test data in the video to come to a conclusion.
You need to consider the RPM gain when the bulb is applied.
I have done more accurate power measurements then you have which considers rpm in each cases.
So sorry to say but your conclusion is not correct.
Sounds like you want this to fail?


It's sad how negative some are here. Seems to be the opposite direction of this forum!

Couldnt agree more Luc
Setup is looking good,and results are as expected when a load is applied to the prime mover.


Brad
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: memoryman on September 16, 2016, 03:37:24 PM
Accurate measurement has nothing to do with WANTING to fail; my wants do not affect the outcome.
There is no 'extra' energy in that system.
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: tinman on September 16, 2016, 04:53:09 PM
Accurate measurement has nothing to do with WANTING to fail; my wants do not affect the outcome.
There is no 'extra' energy in that system.

And how did you come to this conclusion ?
Where were the thermal measurements in the video ?

I have almost finished my motor mod's to test this setup.


Brad
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: lancaIV on September 16, 2016, 06:43:48 PM
tinman,Brad ,
to your last answer: http://www.tewari.org
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: gotoluc on September 16, 2016, 07:36:58 PM
Accurate measurement has nothing to do with WANTING to fail; my wants do not affect the outcome.
There is no 'extra' energy in that system.


What ever satisfies your memory man


Here is a new test with more data: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQsQE-vUpVI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQsQE-vUpVI)
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: tinman on September 17, 2016, 02:12:19 AM

What ever satisfies your memory man


Here is a new test with more data: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQsQE-vUpVI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQsQE-vUpVI)

Hi Luc

A test well done,but there is one vital part missing from it,and that is--what was the benchmark for the motor(prime mover) in standard trim ,driving the generator with the 5 ohm load at 1500 RPM ?.

This is something you need to know,so as you know whether you are going north or south,as far as efficiency from that of the motor running in standard!off the shelf! trim,driving the same load at the same RPM.

Just a thought.

Brad
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: gotoluc on September 17, 2016, 04:40:11 AM
Hi Luc

A test well done,but there is one vital part missing from it,and that is--what was the benchmark for the motor(prime mover) in standard trim ,driving the generator with the 5 ohm load at 1500 RPM ?.

This is something you need to know,so as you know whether you are going north or south,as far as efficiency from that of the motor running in standard!off the shelf! trim,driving the same load at the same RPM.

Just a thought.

Brad


Yes Brad, you're right!... I did think of doing that test and the motor is more efficient by 1.5 watt running with the 4 brushes and magnet poles as it was designed. I thought it may be the case. So unfortunately it is still inconclusive if there's any gain.


I started tests on a modified 2 pole PM treadmill motor. So I should have a much closer replication then the 4 pole motor I just tried to see what happens.
I'll share in a few days. You'll probably beat me to it if you're working on it this weekend.


Thanks and looking 8)  forward to see what you come up with.


Luc
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: tinman on September 17, 2016, 08:47:58 AM

Yes Brad, you're right!... I did think of doing that test and the motor is more efficient by 1.5 watt running with the 4 brushes and magnet poles as it was designed. I thought it may be the case. So unfortunately it is still inconclusive if there's any gain.


I started tests on a modified 2 pole PM treadmill motor. So I should have a much closer replication then the 4 pole motor I just tried to see what happens.
I'll share in a few days. You'll probably beat me to it if you're working on it this weekend.


Thanks and looking 8)  forward to see what you come up with.


Luc

Well there you go  :),a new discovery just made.
We can now do what PW and other EE guys said could not be done.

Luc
When you get your two pole setup done,let me know--i need to show you this-->your going to love this  ;D. You may have seen it already,but just skipped right passed it.
I to am using a motor from a tread mill,so we should be on a close to even playing field here.

This--this will change the way we look at what is happening inside the motor,as far as power go's.


Brad
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: gotoluc on September 17, 2016, 04:02:23 PM
Well there you go  :) ,a new discovery just made.
We can now do what PW and other EE guys said could not be done.

Luc
When you get your two pole setup done,let me know--i need to show you this-->your going to love this  ;D . You may have seen it already,but just skipped right passed it.
I to am using a motor from a tread mill,so we should be on a close to even playing field here.

This--this will change the way we look at what is happening inside the motor,as far as power go's.


Brad


Sounds good Brad ;)


However, maybe you miss understood that the motor uses 1.5 watts less in the standard 4 pole configuration then in the 3 bush configuration with all in and out power calculation.
So possibly the 3 brush idea may not work on a 4 pole/brush motor, which is the reason I moved to a 2 pole/brush motor as they used.


We'll see what comes of it.


Luc
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: tinman on September 17, 2016, 04:33:46 PM

Sounds good Brad ;)


However, maybe you miss understood that the motor uses 1.5 watts less in the standard 4 pole configuration then in the 3 bush configuration with all in and out power calculation.
So possibly the 3 brush idea may not work on a 4 pole/brush motor, which is the reason I moved to a 2 pole/brush motor as they used.


We'll see what comes of it.


Luc

Nothing to do with P/in P/out as such Luc-->we now have a way to see the supply voltage(as we already know),the actual BackEMF voltage(never before seen),and the actual voltage the motor is running on(never before seen),which is the supply voltage minus the BackEMF voltage
We now have a way to watch all three voltage valuse using nothing more than DMMs or a scope.
We can now see how these values change in real time, when a load is applied to the motor.
No more guessing--it's now all in plain sight.

Here is an example.
The motor is being supplied with say 20 volts at X amount of current.
As we start to place a  load on the motor,we can now watch in real time the actual voltage within the motor that the motor is running on,and the BackEMF induced voltage change as the load is increased.

So here is what i did to confirm this.
First i measured the resistance across the motor before hand.
I then place 20 volts across the motor from the PSU.
The backEMF induced value read say 17.6 volts,and the actual voltage across the motor(the actual voltage the motor is running on is only 2.4 volts. The total equals the supplied 20 volts.
Confirmation is by way of ohms law,where the 2.4/5 ohms exactly equals the current draw of 480mA.
No matter what the load,the actual voltage(the supply minus the induced BackEMF voltage) divided by the resistance of the motor windings,always equals the input current--in every test i have done.

So,regardless of the outcome,we can now visually watch the induced BackEMF voltage,and actual voltage across the motor winding,as we are testing the DUT.
This will be very helpful when making modifications and testing for more efficient motors.
All we need to do now,is increase the induced BackEMF voltage as much as we can,and reduce the actual running voltage across the motor.

Very glad you decided to do this replication Luc.


Brad
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: lancaIV on September 17, 2016, 04:35:01 PM
Later for trial : http://www.solenoidcity.com/solenoid/manual/minimizingenergy/minimizingenergy.htm
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: memoryman on September 17, 2016, 04:45:45 PM
Electric motors already have an efficiency of >95%. These type of motors are made for low cost and and efficiency is a minor concern. Manufacturers already know how to make them more efficient.
If you think that OU is a possibility, good luck . You'll need an infinite supply of that...
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: lancaIV on September 17, 2016, 05:18:52 PM
Electric motors already have an efficiency of >95%. These type of motors are made for low cost and and efficiency is a minor concern. Manufacturers already know how to make them more efficient.
If you think that OU is a possibility, good luck . You'll need an infinite supply of that...


As Efficiencypeak and no/load dependant and also electro-/or permanent magnet use,you are right and under the condition:
                                                                 -40 °C/40°C ambient
But you know also the efficiency difference between DC,AC mono-/polyphase and pulsed DC devices,is it not ?
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: memoryman on September 17, 2016, 09:18:02 PM
Yes,  do.
however, this site is called OU.COM, not higherefficiency.com
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: lancaIV on September 17, 2016, 09:31:07 PM
https://image.jimcdn.com/app/cms/image/transf/dimension=688x1024:format=jpg/path/se2969d7b695a35a1/image/ic97bd34ec99303b9/version/1464864276/image.jpg


MEV tension out/in


memoryman,this is a forum of mostly enthusiastic people,which does not have multi-millions budget like GE,SIEMENS,HITACHI or the TOP TEN Fortune listed billionaires whose invest in several capital venture fonds.


Each of us has his experience in several methods,technics to improve the efficiency,
to reach the  OU breakeven as total device result will become publicated in next time,not more as 1 year.
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: lancaIV on September 18, 2016, 08:45:29 PM
https://image.jimcdn.com/app/cms/image/transf/dimension=688x1024:format=jpg/path/se2969d7b695a35a1/image/ic97bd34ec99303b9/version/1464864276/image.jpg (https://image.jimcdn.com/app/cms/image/transf/dimension=688x1024:format=jpg/path/se2969d7b695a35a1/image/ic97bd34ec99303b9/version/1464864276/image.jpg)
                                  MEV tension out/in


                           waiting for the next oficial charts :

                                  MEV current       out/in ?
                                  MEV frequency   out/in ?
                                  MEV  torque     no/load ?             

memoryman,this is a forum of mostly enthusiastic people,which does not have multi-millions budget like GE,SIEMENS,HITACHI or the TOP TEN Fortune listed billionaires whose invest in several capital venture fonds.


Each of us has his experience in several methods,technics to improve the efficiency,
to reach the  OU breakeven as total device result will become publicated in next time,not more as 1 year.
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: lancaIV on September 21, 2016, 11:02:49 AM
Yes,  do.
however, this site is called OU.COM, not higherefficiency.com


Is highest efficiency <= 1 not enough ,for the beginning ?


Reading this http://www.geminielectricmotor.com (http://www.geminielectricmotor.com)


From reply #14 :
A. 20 Amps @ 110Volts of Power generally equates to approximately 1 HP in a typical AC motor.


and
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=meta+c&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=meta+c&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search)


"going"(".." not bodily but mental) to this
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=MY&NR=137586A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=20090227&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=MY&NR=137586A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=3&date=20090227&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP)


Test results using a motor configured as in FIG. 4 are as follows:
TABLE 6Readings  Readings  Workat 410  at 410  PerformanceBaseline  Three Phase  20.5 psi  Implementation462  V  462  V  1.7  A  1.6  A552  W RMS @  185  W RMS @  20.5 psi  watt meter    watt meter
B.552  W per hour  185  W per hour


summa summarum: A/B = (745/2200)/(185/552) 


                                                   The perfect unity electric motor or generator using resonance concept.
                                                                                     MEV = perfection trial

                                                                            The over-gain cycle not yet disclosed


p.s.: If you think that OU is a possibility, good luck . You'll need an infinite supply of that...

         me do satisfy finite supply of luck,I am not and will not become imortal=infinite
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: lancaIV on September 04, 2017, 02:07:16 PM
                      "road"-map from 2017 up to 2050

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/08/170823121339.htm (https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/08/170823121339.htm)

https://web.stanford.edu/group/efmh/jacobson/Articles/I/CountriesWWS.pdf (https://web.stanford.edu/group/efmh/jacobson/Articles/I/CountriesWWS.pdf)
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: lancaIV on March 11, 2018, 06:36:54 PM

1.sun light to photovoltaic electricity
                                                        +  https://www.patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=12841 (https://www.patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=12841)
wind to electricity


2.
concentrated sun light          https://www.patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=11175 (https://www.patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=11175)
                                             http://www.inpama.com/index.php?content=invention&id=1068 (http://www.inpama.com/index.php?content=invention&id=1068)

                                                       + https://www.patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=12841 (https://www.patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=12841)
wind to electricity


3. sun light to electricity
                                                      +  https://www.patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=12841 (https://www.patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=12841)


concentrated wind to electricity         https://www.patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=9374 (https://www.patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=9374)




4.artificial sun light to electricity        http://www.inpama.com/index.php?content=invention&id=660 (http://www.inpama.com/index.php?content=invention&id=660)
   artificial wind to electricity              https://www.patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=9318 (https://www.patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=9318)


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genrich_Altshuller (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genrich_Altshuller) died 1998.
His WIPO patent archive research let him stating that 95% of all problems resolving solutions had been discovered and documented.
(probably the rest-5% to find here: http://www.proquest.com/products-services/pqdtglobal.html (http://www.proquest.com/products-services/pqdtglobal.html)
  each work-result for fee-/licence-free use,dissertations are ever "open source",beginning with their publication  )

Now we have 2018 : all the meant patent object claims are now -twenty years after- "open source".
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: TinselKoala on March 13, 2018, 09:06:57 PM
Self-driving potato:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNjPHcIzQkM
Title: Re: FE in the news / new FE offer
Post by: lancaIV on May 31, 2019, 05:54:18 PM
#14:
                20Amps@110 Volts of Power generally equates approximately 1 HP in a typical AC Motor

                  https://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/de/actheorie/effektivspannung.html (https://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/de/actheorie/effektivspannung.html)                 
                  https://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/root-mean-square-RMS (https://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/root-mean-square-RMS)

                 a.  Voltp / Volteff : 0,7071
                 b1. FEMF positive= productive Volt phase / BEMF negative= unproductive Volt phase 0,5
                 b2. Voltp-p/Volteff : 0,354
               
         
                2200 VA.                                                                  = 1 HP  AC shaft force

               20 Amps x ( 110 Volts x 0,354 )                            = 1 HP  AC shaft force

              + power factor correction

              The Voltp and Voltp-p to Voltaverage for : sinus wave
              The Voltp to Voltaverage for pulsed DC has his own corrections factor for average DC power


 Thinking to have an output/input surplus generator and connect this with a capacitive, resistive, inductive load
let only by work and time process and the measureable result showing : real circuit/ grid efficiency < or > 100%  !

             https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_cycle (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_cycle)

           Showing the change using for rectangular waves only " sinus wave peak to average correction "

          2200 VA 100% duty cycle = 1 HP AC shaft work   or  1 HP DC-equivalent

           4400 VA   50% duty cycle = 1 HP AC shaft work   or 1 HP  DC- equivalent

           8800 VA.  25% duty cycle = 1 HP AC shaft work   or  1 HP DC- equivalent

          Numeric overunity ratio is not physical overunity