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Offline lancaIV

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Re: Friction heater running in my house
« Reply #180 on: January 07, 2016, 01:14:36 PM »
Question: how many btu's/joules/calories are really needed for a given volume and temperature ?
                (without air movement inside/outside, ambient humidity )

                                heater  solutions are for example :
                           cavitation/friction heater and/or heat pumps or F-IR-emissor/radiator

              http://www.iwilltry.org/b/heat-your-home-with-a-dehumidifier/

                   http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/cavitationheaters.htm
                   Griggs or the Perkins-Pope"kinetic furnace" with a c.o.p. above 1

                                friction/cavitation heater with c.o.p. >= 5 ? 
                         http://www.top-topeni.eu/en/tkt-perun-system

                  http://wabi.tv/2013/07/24/searsmont-man-invents-new-heating-system/
                              https://www.facebook.com/FOSMANDEVICE

                                            heat pump  example
                        http://www.fujitsugeneral.co.nz/faq-s#faqnoanchor                         
           Why is it recently that a single heat pump can heat or cool very large areas?
It takes almost twice as much energy to heat a house from 2 degrees to 20 degrees as from 7 degrees to 20 degrees. So if you want to make sure you are going to get heating in all situations the heat pump needs to be sized correctly

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                                    oilpiggy gave as  details :
                    450 sqft. area  , 78° F (~ 25,5 °C)inside and 35-40°F( ~ 3°C) outside ,
                      warm air delivered  12 hours per day with a 600 W drive

I would estimate +/-  calculating with a 150 sqm floor/wall/tect volume surface area and 22,5 °C
temperature amplitude,material U-/K-value(~ R-value) 1,0 with a heat source up to 3500 Watt  per hour !

But he,oilpiggy,did not spent 3500 Watt x 24 h ,he wrote about 600 Watt x 12 hours/day
(why only 12 hours ? temperature related or being absent,no heat object  ?)

like Foster https://www.facebook.com/FOSMANDEVICE with his FOSMAN Device , heating 1400 sqft with an -up- to 1,5 hp(~ 1100 W nominal) drive !

                                                 "  1800 W ~ 300 W !  " ? 
                                                Prof. Dr. habil. H. Matschiner
https://www.infrarotheizung-experten.de/skin/frontend/default/theme417/images/media/studie3.pdf
So ist beispielsweise bekannt, dass eine 1800 W Heizung mit Glühdrähten und Keramikgrund nicht annähernd die Leistung einer 300 W IR-CNT-Heizung erbringt.
google translated :
For example, announced that a 1800 W heater with glow wires and ceramic base is not nearly renders the performance of a 300 W IR-CNT heating.


                                                  "   1800 W ~ 225 W " ! ?
http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=WO&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=9628954&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.1&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en
                                                    Application Example  1
A room with a capacity of 42 m3 was charged with a conventional heating power 1800 watt (Heizstabheizung)  during  4  months at a constant temperature held from 22nd  An equally large room was kept in the same period of time with an apparatus according to the power 225 watts at the same temperature. 
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Can some professional give answer :

1.  It takes almost twice as much energy to heat a house from 2 degrees to 20 degrees as from 7 degrees to 20 degrees.

                            How do they calculate to get this statement ?

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Friction heater could become
                                                                            up to 90% less power consuming
  through better -pulsed power- geared edrives !

oilpiggies
600 W/450sqft.(~ 42sqm) e-consume down to 60 Watt/450sqft.(~42sqm)
would be a good solution,

or Mr.Fosters
 1100W/130 sqm(~1400 sqft.) to 110 W/130 sqm(~ 1400 sqft.)

https://www.facebook.com/FOSMANDEVICE
 The Fosman Device looks to make those high cost oil & propane burning furnace & heaters a thing of the past. The Fosman Device uses a combined 6 cylinders rotating within 6 larger cylinders seperated only by vegetable oil & powered by a 1/2hp to 1.5hp motor depending on the size of the space needing to be heated. Each individual cylinder running on 1/2hp motor can reach in excess of 300 degrees. The Fosman Device can reach temperature in as little as 20 minutes creating more than enough heat for the average 3 bedroom, 2 bath home for much less than anything currently available in the world today. The Fosman Device actually becomes more efficient & uses less & less wattage the hotter the device gets & due to it's patented pending design, the heater retains the heat much, much longer than any other heating system in the world. There is nothing out there currently that can make that claim.
If cost savings doesn't already have you foaming at the mouth, let's look at the safety & efficiency of the Fosman Device. The overall design of the Fosman Device will have the diameter of the average water heater & half the height. There are no fuel lines, no emissions, no leaks, no smell pipes, no exhaust fans & no chimneys needed. The Fosman Device will be able to be placed in just about any position, in any corner, rafter, etc. as long as there is a 110/220 volt plug & the home central duct work can be attached. Imagine the space this little buddy will free up in your current or new home, office or warehouse.
 
 So, let's recap, the Fosman Device will be cheap to operate, eliminates any & all fossil fuels, wood, etc., can be placed just about anywhere, eliminates all kinds of pipes, chimneys, etc. & more than likely, will reduce your fire insurance as an added bonus & applications to heat your water as well.

Technical question to this statement : The Fosman Device uses a combined 6 cylinders rotating within 6 larger cylinders seperated only by vegetable oil & powered by a 1/2hp to 1.5hp motor depending on the size of the space needing to be heated. Each individual cylinder running on 1/2hp motor can reach in excess of 300 degrees.

Each cylinder needs his own motor ? Or will an -up to 1,5 hp- motor serve all the 6 larger cylinder ?
cylinder=tube
http://wabi.tv/2013/07/24/searsmont-man-invents-new-heating-system/
The final product will include 6 tubes and a similar size motor.

Inventor tests new heating device at USM | Mainebiz.bizwww.mainebiz.biz/.../inventor-tests-new-heating-de...Diese Seite übersetzen27.08.2013 - Searsmont investor John Foster's heating cell in a laboratory at the ... to heat a three-bedroom home through the winter for $100-$120 a month.

                Which was the KWh-price 2012/2013 in Maine ?

Probably combinating it with point 5. here :
http://www.osmatech.net/page4.html
« Last Edit: January 07, 2016, 03:19:54 PM by lancaIV »

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Re: Friction heater running in my house
« Reply #180 on: January 07, 2016, 01:14:36 PM »

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Re: Friction heater running in my house
« Reply #181 on: January 07, 2016, 05:24:39 PM »
If you have a hot water heater that you believe is OU and
you are feeling your wheaties you can use the following
link to a real world device where you could close the loop.
You would have a radiator type heatsink to room temperature
producing a "cold" water room temperature return stream. 

Note that any heat producing thermal energy intermediary OU demo
device is difficult because you will need to offset Carnot inefficiency
to upgrade the thermal energy. This might need to involve a serial
thermal device, if requiured.

Web link for Organic Rankine Cycle Turbine Engine Genset and
specification data:

http://www.infinityturbine.com/

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Re: Friction heater running in my house
« Reply #182 on: January 07, 2016, 06:13:57 PM »
   (http://overunity.com/Themes/default/images/post/xx.gif)   Re: Friction heater running in my house  « Reply #115 on: January 11, 2013, 05:13:15 PM »  Quote
  Quote from: hartiberlin on January 11, 2013, 02:30:30 AM
860 Watts is a lot of power, if you need to produce this
during wintertime via solarpanels and the sky is overcasts...

John Cletus Williams, GA : it is a kind of magic    .... hope.....
                                        2000sqfts (~185sqm)  but only 400W ?

                            http://www.patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=8300
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Granted 2011 but now free  !?       http://www.google.com/patents/US8059946
 
As long as electricity is available using a proper light source, our system is able to produce thermal radiation heat. It will work off a wide range of alternating and direct current voltages. Our apparatus will produce high outputs of BTU's per watt of electricity used. It can be used in both stationary and mobile situations.
                                                     Non-(efficiently) functional ?

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Re: Friction heater running in my house
« Reply #182 on: January 07, 2016, 06:13:57 PM »
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Re: Friction heater running in my house
« Reply #183 on: January 09, 2016, 10:26:40 AM »
This is a wonderful Thread! And somehow I completely overlooked it until a day or two ago. No real surprise, I am a dummy's dummy.

My sincerest thanks to Thread Starter oilpiggy and everyone who has made a positive contribution here! There is a great wealth of good information and thought provoking ideas here. And maybe I will have a little more wealth in my pocket if I will get going on building an oilpiggy heater instead of building the bank account wealth of my electric provider!


CANGAS 198

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Re: Friction heater running in my house
« Reply #184 on: January 09, 2016, 04:27:37 PM »
It would by nice to have accurate measurements done and posted. There is no explanation given (or even just a theory) of how/why OU appears.

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« Reply #184 on: January 09, 2016, 04:27:37 PM »
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Re: Friction heater running in my house
« Reply #185 on: January 09, 2016, 11:53:47 PM »
 I must respectfully submit that we did do some measurements and caloric testing of
Oilpiggy's unit several years back, unless there have been dramatic advancements
Since then in his design ?

I would STRONGLY urge you reach out for him prior to investing much time into this.

Comparisons to a purely resistive control showed no real advantage at the time of testing.

Respectfully
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Re: Friction heater running in my house
« Reply #186 on: January 11, 2016, 11:12:54 AM »
http://www.monolithic.org/products-interior/heating-and-cooling-systems-for-monolithic-dome-homes

Experience shows that well insulated, conventional homes in the northern United States take approximately ten watts of heat per square foot. So, a 1200-square-foot, well insulated, conventional home takes about 12,000 watts of heat.

Reply #180 related :

oilpiggy:           450 sqft.             friction heater drive wattage ?
John Foster:   1400 sqft              friction heater drive wattage ?

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Re: Friction heater running in my house
« Reply #187 on: May 04, 2016, 02:07:56 PM »

http://www.monolithic.org/products-interior/heating-and-cooling-systems-for-monolithic-dome-homes
Experience shows that well insulated, conventional homes in the northern United States take approximately ten watts of heat per square foot. So, a 1200-square-foot, well insulated, conventional home takes about 12,000 watts of heat.


1200-square-foot,11700 BTU : 3400 Watt friction motor,fan
https://www.farmshow.com/a_article.php?aid=2938

1400-square-foot, ? BTU, ? Watt
https://www.facebook.com/FOSMANDEVICE[/font][/size] The Fosman Device looks to make those high cost oil & propane burning furnace & heaters a thing of the past. The Fosman Device uses a combined 6 cylinders rotating within 6 larger cylinders seperated only by vegetable oil & powered by a 1/2hp to 1.5hp motor depending on the size of the space needing to be heated. Each individual cylinder running on 1/2hp motor can reach in excess of 300 degrees. The Fosman Device can reach temperature in as little as 20 minutes creating more than enough heat for the average 3 bedroom, 2 bath home for much less than anything currently available in the world today. The Fosman Device actually becomes more efficient & uses less & less wattage the hotter the device gets & due to it's patented pending design, the heater retains the heat much, much longer than any other heating system in the world. There is nothing out there currently that can make that claim.[/size]If cost savings doesn't already have you foaming at the mouth, let's look at the safety & efficiency of the Fosman Device. The overall design of the Fosman Device will have the diameter of the average water heater & half the height. There are no fuel lines, no emissions, no leaks, no smell pipes, no exhaust fans & no chimneys needed. The Fosman Device will be able to be placed in just about any position, in any corner, rafter, etc. as long as there is a 110/220 volt plug & the home central duct work can be attached. Imagine the space this little buddy will free up in your current or new home, office or warehouse.   So, let's recap, the Fosman Device will be cheap to operate, eliminates any & all fossil fuels, wood, etc., can be placed just about anywhere, eliminates all kinds of pipes, chimneys, etc. & more than likely, will reduce your fire insurance as an added bonus & applications to heat your water as well.

11000 BTU,600 Watt
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=39&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19900213&CC=US&NR=4900898A&KC=A


http://www.infraroodpanelen.eu/test3-infrarotheizung_heizungplatte_infrarood_infrared_romer_roemer_haustek_redwell_imowell_thermowell.pdf
"So ist beispielsweise bekannt, dass eine 1800 W Heizung mit Glühdrähten und [/size]Keramikgrund nicht annähernd die Leistung einer 300 W IR-CNT-Heizung erbringt. "
google translated:
 "For example, announced that a 1800 W heater with glow wires and  ceramic base is not nearly the power of a 300 W IR-CNT heater provides."


http://www.heaterlab.com/best-infrared-heater-reviews-guide/
Infrared Room HeatersInfrared room heaters work with more heating power and can heat up a whole room of up to 1000 square feet, some can even handle more. For operation they also need to be plugged in into a standard wall outlet. They usually operate at about 1500 watts, so you can save some money here as the central heaters usually use over 5000 watts.

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Re: Friction heater running in my house
« Reply #188 on: May 14, 2016, 02:25:51 PM »
These technical numbers
1200-square-foot,11700 BTU : 3400 Wattpeak  friction motors consume ( drum- and fan-drive)
https://www.farmshow.com/a_article.php?aid=2938

are from 1981
 so actually,2016,
we can improve the efficiency of the total friction heater system
with better electric motors,variable speed (= "Inverter") and permanent magnets equipped

                                Average savings today: Cuts electricity use by 33% to 50%
http://www.energyconscious.com/sntech-green-motor-indoor-1-2hp-psc-replacement-motor-gi10750g.html
(caution: SNTECH under chapter 11)


Keppe ?

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Re: Friction heater running in my house
« Reply #188 on: May 14, 2016, 02:25:51 PM »
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Re: Friction heater running in my house
« Reply #189 on: August 18, 2016, 04:13:33 PM »
http://www.whitepages.com/name/Charles-Edmund-Souders/Rochester-MI 
                                     alive for questioning ?
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?CC=US&NR=2013011125A1&KC=A1&FT=D&ND=3&date=20130110&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP

The “Rolling Lumens Heater” consists of an 8″×8″×4″ electrical junction box with six lampholders mounted on the exterior of the box. A 100 watt light bulb is placed in each of the lampholders. A 120 volt ac line supplies voltage to the interior of the junction box where each of the lampholders is connected in parallel to the line. The junction box is installed in the cold air return of a forced air furnace or in an enclosure through which hot water pipes travel in a hot water heating system. When the lamps are illuminated, the air driven by an 8 inch fan through the cold air return, or enclosure, is heated to a temperature of 70 degrees Fahrenheit. The heated air is then pushed through the heating system to the registers and out into the rooms where the temperature remains constant at 70 degrees. The cost of operating this system is approximately $30.00 per month for an average size home. No petroleum or fossil fuels are burned in this process with no resultant environmental pollution and inherent health hazards.
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                                          forced air or hydronic system
                   600 lamp Watt + fan consume for an averaged size home

                   average size home : http://shrinkthatfootprint.com/how-big-is-a-house

                   average size tiny house ::)
                   drum pipe heater
 https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19850416&CC=US&NR=4511787A&KC=A
 + 2016 technical standart of power saving heat elements < 450 Wp electric consume
    for the 450 sft. area and 660 Wp heater example

f.e.   http://www.average.com.ua/     heat element example  1900Win/3000Wout
       http://canlaser.com/en/Hhm.aspx
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as cheaper alternative to #187
http://www.infraroodpanelen.eu/test3-infrarotheizung_heizungplatte_infrarood_infrared_romer_roemer_haustek_redwell_imowell_thermowell.pdf
"So ist beispielsweise bekannt, dass eine 1800 W Heizung mit Glühdrähten und [/size]Keramikgrund nicht annähernd die Leistung einer 300 W IR-CNT-Heizung erbringt. "
google translated:
 "For example, announced that a 1800 W heater with glow wires and  ceramic base is not nearly the power of a 300 W IR-CNT heater provides."
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Far-Infra-Red heater with this heat effect are sold here in Europe for 359 Euros ea.
with 400 W nominal heat power. 



and clearly some,as I,are really interested in this power saving distribution system:
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/komoto-fans-heat-2000sf-for-4-cents-per-hour#/
use a patent pending electric distribution system to power each fan blade one at a time.

Universal use ability ? Five rooms,five heaters and one (power saving) electric distribution system ?

                                                    Pulse heater 

If not KOMOTO :'( ,
okay ;) https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2016070292
Could this be a planar transformer ?
https://www.powerguru.org/planar-transformers-are-essential-for-truly-efficient-electrichybrid-vehicles/  and truly for efficient heating ,too  ::)
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Re: Friction heater running in my house
« Reply #190 on: August 19, 2016, 06:16:16 PM »
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.average.com.ua%2F&edit-text=
are as expensive like the Far Infrared heat panels in the western hemisphere : financial overprized !
( 40 cents as electricity KWh price in their calculation:
   >:( who pays 40 cents/KWh for electricity ?
   :-[ okay,expensive solar cell energy consumer ! ??? Or do they UAH-cents meaning ?)
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Economical calculated their "Brownie" boiler( entering "Products") : pools,warm-water,hydronic

1. Reducing energy consumption by 3-4 times compared to existing similar products in the market of Ukraine. 2. It has no analogues in the world energy consumption.
 3. Relatively low price.
 4. Easy installation.
 5. Lightweight and compact, they can be hung on the wall as a consequence - saving place.
 6. Security (no open flame).
 7. boilers are easy to operate.
 8. Does not require a separate room (boiler).
 9. Do not require a chimney installation.
 10. Do not require special maintenance.
 11. silently.
 12. Eco-friendly, no harmful emissions and foreign odors.
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The main characteristics of energy-efficient electric boilers "Brownie":
2 KW                                  price  4000 UAH  = Ukrainische Hrywnja

Comparative technical and economic characteristics   use in water heating systems, boilers known firms   and "Brownie" boiler

Rated power KW 2           price estimation 2000 UAH

for heating area from 60 up to 100 sqm and up to 185 room qbm volume .

 :o Their estimated price will be in the 2000-4000 UAH range  :D

 http://de.exchange-rates.org/converter/UAH/USD/4000
                                1 US$ ~ 25 UAH actually

In their "new pricelist" the "Brownie" boiler are offered for 2000-4000, but on top: US$
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