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## Gravity powered devices => Gravity powered devices => Topic started by: vikram_gupta11 on August 15, 2016, 12:12:34 PM

Title: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on August 15, 2016, 12:12:34 PM
This technology is based on magnetic repelling principle .We can generate electricity with very little force with the help of this technology.This will be a radical step in the field of energy generation.

In this technology there will be a balance system and two heavy weight magnets will be attached with each side of this balance system as per diagram.
As per diagram there will be two moving weights and these moving weights will move on tracks.These tracks will be fixed at the angle of 8 to 10 degree.
Two magnets will be attached on the front side of these moving weights and these magnets will have similar polarity with the magnets of balance system.
These moving weights will be attached with two gear boxes and these gear boxes will be attached with two generators.

HOW THIS TECH WILL WORK?

When one side heavy weight magnet of balance system will be pressed with the help of any kind of external force then this side will come down and repel its side moving weight due to equal polarity of magnets.due to repelling the moving weight will move forward .but when the heavy weight magnet will move upward then this moving weight will move backward due to gravity to get its position back.
in this way this moving weight will work to run a gear box and this gear box will work to start a generator to generate energy.
This balance system will also work to pass through their side copper coil due to linear movement and in this way this technology will generate Dual energy.

I would like to insist on some following points
(1) The balance system will be attached with 'L' form crank with external PRESSING source.
(2) The moving weights will also be attached with 'L' form crank with gear boxes.
(3) Each side magnet of balance system will work one by one .When one side magnet will come down the another side magnet will move up .These magnets will come down and move up one by one to repel their side moving weight.
(4) We can take as much weight as we can of these magnets of balance system .(500 kilogram to 1000 Kilogram or more).
(5) External source of pressing this balance system could be anything such as pressing with foot  or solar cell. WE WILL NEED ONLY 3 VOLT EXTERNAL ENERGY TO PRESS THIS BALANCE SYSTEM  AND GENERATE MORE AND MORE ENERGY.
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on August 31, 2016, 07:03:45 AM
I have done some experiment and have got initial success which is an indicator that this machine will work definitely.A great success in energy generation.
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on August 31, 2016, 07:17:13 AM
This machine is an open challenge for everyone and my initial success with repelling  heavy weight with very little force  is a milestone to develop this technology.
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: Low-Q on August 31, 2016, 11:34:10 AM
Can you please scale down your images before you post them? Or change the photo setting on your camera to a lower resolution?

Thanks.

Vidar
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on September 03, 2016, 03:53:27 AM
Please comments on this Idea .This machine will work definitely and I have got initial success but I'm facing problem of some resources like high power magnets  to develop it completely .If someone in this community has resources then try it and publish the result.A great concept with No flaws   to make a PERPETUAL MACHINE. Please support me to develop it.
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: Low-Q on September 04, 2016, 10:19:37 PM
Please comments on this Idea .This machine will work definitely and I have got initial success but I'm facing problem of some resources like high power magnets  to develop it completely .If someone in this community has resources then try it and publish the result.A great concept with No flaws   to make a PERPETUAL MACHINE. Please support me to develop it.

I have a bunch of relatively large neodymium magnets, different sizes. I can build your device one day, and see how it works.
And you can ofcourse quality check the device by pictures I provide untill you're satisfied.

I can buld it when I have time to spare. I have a metal wheel with ball bearings - which I can put weights/magnets on to make it unbalanced. I have springs, hinges and other materials.
Are you interested in letting me build one for you? If so, please provide a little more detailed drawing than the post above.

Br. Vidar.
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on September 05, 2016, 07:02:52 AM
Dear sir,
Thank you very much for your support.I will send you a detailed sketch of this Idea very soon.
Thank you Sir

vikram kumar Gupta
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on September 07, 2016, 09:20:18 PM
Dear Vidar sir,
I'm sending  two sketch regarding this Idea.
In the first sketch we will take high power magnet (High magnetic strength NEODYMIUM Magnets) and both magnets will be attached with a SEESAW system. These magnets will work to repel their side ordinary (FERRITE low strength )magnets  due to equal polarity. Two generators will be attached with these ordinary magnets.
These ordinary magnets will move on a track as per sketch and will be heavy.

In the second sketch we can take several arms SEESAW system to repel several ordinary magnets to generate more and more energy as Input energy is almost none so I think this Idea will be  a mile stone  in the energy generation. A REAL WORLD PERPETUAL MACHINE..
I hope you will support me to develop this technology.

Thank you Sir.

Vikram Kumar Gupta
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on September 08, 2016, 09:27:56 AM
This device will  as input force is almost nil and these heavy weight Neodymium magnets will work to repel their side  weight .Though each side will have equal repelling force but acceleration also depend on mass.
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: Low-Q on September 08, 2016, 11:02:37 AM
Hi There,

I find it a little bit hard to fully inderstand the physical construction.

The two springs, are they resting on a surface? Are they in tension, either stretched or squeezed?
Are the neo-magnets attached to the springs, resting on a surface?

The three "fingers" on each side, with magnets on them, what type of magnet are the other 5 magnets?
I see that you have labeled the lower right magnet as neo-magnet, but what about the others?
Are each of these "fingers" hinged to one and the same point?

What makes the incline of the "normal" magnets possible?

Must I use an exactly 3V motor? Is it a pendulum attached to this motor, and where is this pendulum attached to the lower structure?

As you understand, the drawing has major lack of essensial details.
I am not good in reading instructions, but much, much better in analyze drawings.
These drawings are somewhat deficient, so I cannot quite understand the connections between all parts.

Why do I have to use some ferrite magnets, and some neo-magnets?
Can't I just use neo-magnets all over? I do only have a bunch of neo-magnets - hundereds of them.
I have no ferrite magnets except for a couple of large speaker magnets...

I have motors in different sizes, however, they are brushless motors, that runs on 3-phase AC from the electronic speed controller,that I use on my RC-airplanes.
These can also be used as generators off course.

Would a simple coil/magnet assambly work as well as generator and "motor"?
That would make it easier, and with less friction. As the "generator" will generate power to the "pendulum-motor" almost without loss - and it is fully synchronized.

Do you have Google Sketchup? If not, download Sketchup Make (the free version). I use this software to make all the models I use for 3D printouts.

Vidar

Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: Low-Q on September 08, 2016, 11:14:07 AM
The mass of all the parts might not be ann issue, but as soon as you load the power output, the inertia in the mass will not longer work synchronized.
In other words out of phase (delayed). That means that all the parts that are suppose to deliver energy, will have a lag that finally will stop all motions.
Maybe this is not an issue with this construction, but I just had an idea that it will happen.
IF the device deliver more energy out than what you put in, it would fight the lag with ease. Let us hope so :-)

Vidar
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on September 09, 2016, 08:32:38 AM
Dear Sir,
This device will work definitely as it will deliver more output than input . I will send you complete details and clear your all doubts very soon.
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on September 09, 2016, 09:47:27 AM
Dear Vidar Sir,
please do a simple experiment .Just take a 60 kilogram weight and attach high strength Neodymium magnet  with this weight and take another 600 gram weight and also attach neodymium magnet and repel them if this 600 gram weight is obtaining  3 to 7 meter /second speed then it is clear that  this machine is going to  work 101% definitely.
Please do it and I'm also preparing  details of Instructions so that you could understand this device completely.
Thank you Sir for your interest.
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: Low-Q on September 09, 2016, 10:21:11 AM
Dear Vidar Sir,
please do a simple experiment .Just take a 60 kilogram weight and attach high strength Neodymium magnet  with this weight and take another 600 gram weight and also attach neodymium magnet and repel them if this 600 gram weight is obtaining  3 to 7 meter /second speed then it is clear that  this machine is going to  work 101% definitely.
Please do it and I'm also preparing  details of Instructions so that you could understand this device completely.
Thank you Sir for your interest.

So:
I fasten a neodymium magnet to a heavy weight
I fasten a neodymium magnet on a light weigt
Then let the magnets repel eachother so the weights moves in opposite directions

I assume the light weight will move faster and further than the heavy weight.
however, the light weigt and the heavy weight are applied with the same potential energy, and during motion have kinetic energy that is equal, but at different velocities.
Kinetic energy is mass multiplied with velocity^2. If the 600 gram weight moves at 10m/s, the 60kg weight will move at 1m/s in the opposite direction.

Kinetic energy of the 60kg weight will be 60kg x 1m/s^2=60 joules
Kinetic energy of the 0.6kg weight will be 0.6kg x 10m/s^2=60 joules

The energy in both are the same and opposite, so there will be no extra output....in my brain it will work like that.

Or have I misunderstood the concept totally? Please make a drawing of the weights and magnets you described (And post a small picture ;-)

Vidar
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on September 09, 2016, 06:31:39 PM
Dear Sir,
You have misunderstood this what I want to tell you. As I' m preparing complete details regarding instructions and a sketch  so  could you please tell me that  what are the shapes and sizes of neodymium magnets  which you have  and please also tell me  magnetic strength of these magnets.You are right that each magnet will repel each other magnet with equal force but you are neglecting the work of a Balanced SEESAW system which will consume very very less energy or input . I have done some work on a seesaw system and it will work as it will consume very less energy and if this balanced seesaw is working to repel a 600 gram magnet with the speed of 10m/sec then the output is more than input  and then there is no doubt about the feasibility of this machine as all things are clear.
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: Low-Q on September 09, 2016, 06:57:04 PM
Thanks for the explanaton, and I look forward to see your design :-)

I have approx:
100 pcs 26mm diameter, 6mm thick, N50, magnetized through thickness.
18 pcs 50 x 5 x 1.6 rectangular N50, magneticed through thickness.
A bunch of 10mm diameter, 3mm thick, N40, magnetized through thickness.
And some different small magnets extracted from dead brushless motors.

So I have a few magnets to play with. If your design work as big size, it should work as small size so it is easier to manage, and put together.
Those 26mm diameter magnets are BAD. I can't count how many times I have been bleeding from pincing my fingers with these.

I have not measured how much weight they can lift, but the small 10mm diameter magnets can lift a 2.5kg sledge hammer with ease.

If I must print some parts on the 3D printer, the maximum size is 200mm x 200mm x 170mm.

Hope this information helps.

Vidar
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on September 09, 2016, 07:13:50 PM
dear Sir, Thank you for your reply . I will send you more details very soon.
thank you Sir
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: gyulasun on September 12, 2016, 04:46:30 PM
Dear vikram_gupta11,

http://overunity.com/16847/gravity-energy-i24news-israel/msg491195/#msg491195

The reason is that I think the principle involved in the video is similar to your device principle shown in this thread: to keep a balanced seesaw system in motion with a small amount of input energy while utilizing possible output energy of the system by appropiate ways. The difference is that in the video above the output energy is taken from piezo electric devices that are pressed as per the seesaw structure moves back and forth.

Please do not shoot the messenger...  :D no bad intentions involved.  Looking forward to your progress here and I wish you good luck.

Greetings
Gyula
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on September 13, 2016, 08:31:53 AM
Dear Mr. Yulasun ,
this is completely different  than My concept. They  cannot generate more out put than input and technics are different.
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on September 13, 2016, 09:37:25 AM

Dear VIdar Sir,

I'm sending you some details regarding this concept.

As per sketch we will take a SEESAW system and will attach 50 kilogram weight on the both side of this SEESAW system so that this seesaw will get equilibrium state.
Now we will take four  strong NEODYMIUM magnet and attach each  magnet with each 50 kilogram weight .This 50 kilogram weight will be in RECTANGULAR shape.we will attach these magnets on the lateral surface of 50 kilogram weight.

this 50 kilogram weight will not movable only seesaw 's arm will move .This 50 kilogram weight will be fixed permanently with both arms of seesaw system.

Now we will take two small 800 gram weight and will attach four low power Neodymium magnet with this weight. These weights will move on a inclined(8 to 10 degree)  track system as per sketch.

WE WILL USE  STONE BLOCK  AS A RECTANGULAR WEIGHT(50 kg.and 800 gram) AS CANNOT USE IRON BLOCK DUE TO MAGNETISM

(1)there is no need of taking springs as I just thought that spring will work as  a absorber of opposite force but in this system there is no need now.

(2)At first we will try this device with  single finger and take more fingers after development.

(3)we will take same quantity but but different size magnets and will attach with both 50 kilogram weight and 800 gram weight.

(4)The repelling force between 50 kilogram weight and 800 gram weight due to  equal polarity will work on 800 gram weight to inclined and repelling this small weight with high  force. This 800 gram weight will get back its position again due to Gravity.

(5)we will use a 3 volt toy motor as a external source to press the seesaw system in linear motion.
We will use a 'L' form crank and this crank will work to convert the rotatory motion of 3 volt motor into linear motion.
this 3 volt toy motor will attach with right arm of seesaw system as per sketch.

(6) We can use ' simple magnet coil' generator to generate electricity. and this generator will be attach with the wheel of 800 gram weight as per sketch . each 800 gram weight will have four wheel so we can attach four generators with each  wheels and thus we can attach more four generators with second no.800 gram weight.

(7)The seesaw system(50 kilogram) will be stated  on some height compare than track system(800 gram weight)  but distance between 50 kg weight and 800 gram weight will be very less so that the magnet of 50 kilogram weight could repel 800 gram weight.

MECHANISM:
when right arm of seesaw  which is attached with 3 volt motor  will be pressed by 3 volt toy motor  then this arm will come down and the 50 kilogram weight will work to repel the 800 gram weight with high force.  Due to repelling this 800 gram weight move fastly and generate electricity as generators are attached with the wheels of this 800 gram weight.
Now due to linear motion this arm will move up and second arm of seesaw system will come down and will work to repel its side 800 gram weight.
In this way both side arm of seesaw system will work to repel their side 800 gram weight by their turn.

I would like  to insist on some following points:

(A)
Each 800 gram weight will also have four simple magnet coil generators .Take this 800 gram weight as a measurement as its weight will be increased after attaching generators but this is not a problem .I took these weight only for your convenience so that you could understand easily this concept.

(B)The repelling force will not affect the movement of seesaw system and it will move in linear motion very easily with only 3 volt motor as due to repelling the 800 gram weight magnet will get further distance and there will no effect of equal repelling on this seesaw weight and  in that time this arm will be pulled up by 3 volt motor due to linear motion.

In this way this device will work I hope this time you will understand it completely .

Thank you Sir

Vikram
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: Low-Q on September 14, 2016, 11:44:49 AM
Why can't we use 500 grams and 8 grams instead - and use my smallest magnets? I don't have 50kg weight anywhere except my kids..., and I do not want to buy a lot of stuff to make the device.
By small picture I meant it isn't necessary for it to be so small that the text in it is unreadable  ;) . Honestly, I cannot see the text - too blurry. Zooming in doesn't help because the letters just melts together into a blurry fog. Sorry for being picky, but I can't read the text on the drawing.

Vidar
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: gyulasun on September 14, 2016, 01:02:28 PM
Hi Vidar,

I have had also difficulties to make out the text in the small resolution picture, so I tried to use a Picture Editor where colors, contrast etc can be adjusted and I think I managed to improve a little the text so that I recognised all the words. At least I think I understood everything correctly and I included the text again, see the attachment.  If I made a mistake in the text, then vikram_gupta11 would surely inform me and I have 12 hours from now on to reedit and reload (or completely remove) the picture.

By the way, the correct picture size on this forum is to use a max 900 pixel horizontal resolution, this do not cause any widening in the horizontal size of the threads.

Gyula
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: Low-Q on September 14, 2016, 02:26:49 PM
AHA! Now I understand the concept.
That 3V toy motor will probably get overloaded pretty quick as it is suppose to set 100kg of inertia in motion, stop it and return over and over again.

The repulsive forces from the 50kg weight-magnet that push the 800 gram weight will be enough to push the 800 gram weight just as high as the repulsive force allow it to. The 50kg weights movement are anyways controlled by the 3V motor, so I do not see the point in having extra weights on that seesaw at all.

The generator on the 800 gram weight will for sure generate power, but it will be just as much as the force and movement between 50kg+magnet and 800 gram+magnet allows to, that is again depending on the 3V toy motors output.

When the system is in motion, any load of the generator will reduce its motion so that 800 gram weight will not move as far as when unloaded. It will not roll the whole way up, and it will not roll the whole way down. That is also a problem. If the generator is short circuit, it will almost not move at all. I say almost because there is resistance in the copper windings inside the generators. That means that the 800 gram weights will still move a bit, but convert its motion mostly into heat. The reduced motion of the 800 gram weight will also increase the repelling force between it and the seesaw magnet. That will again feed back on the 3V toy motor to make it work even harder.

That 3V toy motor will also suffer from over heating and probably the greatest loss of the whole system.

The left hand side 800 gram weight are suppose to compensate something. However, this weight will not apply anything but more complexity.

The seesaw weights are balancing eachoter, so each weight is held up by the other. However, inertia is a great issue that will destroy the small motor in seconds.
Because of this, you should not have weights there at all. Only the magnets. Because it is the repulsive forces that make up the whole movement in the 800 gram weights.

My wildest guess, is that this system have an efficiency between 5 and 10 %. 90 to 95% loss - mostly because of that poor little toy motor.

I think it is necessary to do "minor" changes to this system to make it more efficient, but the concept will never work as over unity.

This system can in fact be simplified A LOT by attaching the generator directly to the 3V toy motor.

I hope you understand where the glitch is in this design. I'm afraid you have overlooked several issues that rest in this concept - in both complexity and efficiency.
After looking at the edited picture from @gyulasun, it took me 2 seconds to understand that this will not work as efficient as you was hoping for. I am really sorry :-[

Vidar
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on September 14, 2016, 06:56:56 PM
Dear Sir,
you are again on the way to misunderstand this concept.If a seesaw system is in balanced state then there is no need of high external energy to move it in other words input energy is almost ZERO.
you are correct that 50 kilogram + weight and 800 gram+ weight depend on this 3 volt toy motor but this motor is just working on the right arm of seesaw system.the 800 gram weight will roll up whole the way as the seesaw system will be fixed on some height than 800 gram weight  and generators will be attached with the wheels of this 800 gram weight .This 3 volt toy motor will work to press the seesaw system after every 1 or 2 second so that  the 50 kg weight and 800 gram weight could get back their position again .

There is no issue regarding inertia in this design

thanks for your interest and but I myself is going to develop this device .

Vikram.
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: Low-Q on September 14, 2016, 10:57:36 PM
The motor works on the whole seesaw. Not only the right side. The weights are physically connected, right?
You must apply energy to start moving total 100kg. You can however gain that energy back when the seesaw goes the other way. But when you load the generator, the seesaw must fight a greater force because a loaded generator (if you connect a lightbulb to it for example) will resist the rotation. This will cause, within the time frame the seesaw is closest, the 800 gram weight not to have time enough to move as far as when it is not loaded with a light bulb.

In theory, you are only pushing a generator with magnetic repulsion. You could most likely put a solid rod right between the motor and the generator because the weights has nothing to do with this. It is not necessary. Really. I'm not joking.

Good luck anyways.

Vidar
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on September 16, 2016, 11:30:53 AM
Sir,
I will present an another sketch before this forum based on this seesaw principle after some correction within two days and to know the reviews and comments.
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: Low-Q on September 16, 2016, 03:28:14 PM
OK. I apologize if you feel I've been bantering. I just want to tell you my honest opinions and experience - and I tend to speak without filters...there is no bad intentions.
I do allways think it's exciting to analyze any given issue. I even make problems for myself - intentionally!, just to try to solve those problems, and learn from my intentional mistakes.... I make things that I do know won't work, just to figure out why it doesn't work. I have a project going on now. The device I'm making are beyond my knowledge, because I have no clue why it does not work as I have designed it to do. The only clue I got is the decided trouth that over unity isn't possible. You know what? I don't give a sh**t in textbooks ;D
My own project is about 30% done. The design does not violate any law - as far as I can understand, but still I do not know why it wont work.. When it's done, I will post the results here. If I got time, I will finish the project during this weekend, or next week.

Good luck with the alternative design!

Vidar
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on September 17, 2016, 08:41:37 AM
Dear Vidar sir,
My earnest request to you that could you please build a working model of  my second concept "perpetual energy wheel' as you said that you have a metal wheel and can build it in a day .
Please do me a favour and try to build a working model of this 'perpetual energy wheel'.

I shall be very grateful to you .
vikram
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on September 17, 2016, 08:53:14 AM
This Idea is based on Magnetic Repulsion and Kinetic force.

According to diagram there will be a  Wheel and a magnet(1) will be attached with this wheel. There will be a balance system(seesaw system) and two magnets(2no.magnet and 3no. magnet) will be attached with this balance system .

when 1 magnet will repel 2 no.magnet then the 2 no.magnet will move upward and due to this movement the 3 no. magnet will come down and will work to repel 1 no. magnet and wheel will start to rotate.
when 1 no. magnet will again repel 2 no.magnet after a rotation then the 3 no. magnet will again work to repel the 1 no.magnet.
THE weight of magnets of balance system will be equal.
In this way the wheel will rotate again and again.The magnetic strength of 1 no. magnet will be high than 2 no. and magnetic strength of 3 no. magnet will be high than 1 no. magnet. The weight of 2 no. magnet and 3 no. magnet will be equal.

We will fix this all system in horizontal direction and metal wheel must not  made with IRON or Steel metal instead Brass or copper or Aluminium.

Please build it if you have sources .
I shall be very grateful to you.

vikram
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: Low-Q on September 18, 2016, 10:36:18 AM
Dear Vidar sir,
My earnest request to you that could you please build a working model of  my second concept "perpetual energy wheel' as you said that you have a metal wheel and can build it in a day .
Please do me a favour and try to build a working model of this 'perpetual energy wheel'.

I shall be very grateful to you .
vikram
Yes, I have a steel wheel which works great as a flywheel.
It is the same wheel as you see in the video in the link below,
where I demonstrate an imbalanced wheel in a pendulum configuration.

It was a discussion going on a while ago if the vibrations on the pendulum arm
would create energy without affecting the spinning flywheel.
However, as you can see in the video, as soon as I take energy out of the vibrating pendulum,
the wheel slows down rapidly.
The explanation is, when I load that pendulum, the viberation of the pendulums viberation will be a litle delayed.
So the energy that is transferred to my hand will try to force the flywheel to stop.

https://youtu.be/vV3RAL-SWjc (https://youtu.be/vV3RAL-SWjc)

Your concept in your drawing will make the flywheel spin relatively free if there is little loss in the spring.
If you fill that spring with whool or cotton, or a generator, you will have a shock absorber,
and the vibrations in the spring will transfer energy into the whool or generator.
This will cause the similar delay in vibration, and the flywheel will stop sooner - just as the pendulum.
But your design is so easy to build, so I will build it and you'll see what I mean.

I have a question:
If both magnets are attached to the same seesaw, and the spring affect both magnets equally,
how do you determine which way the flywheel will rotate?

Vidar
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on September 19, 2016, 07:31:54 PM
Dear Vidar Sir,
The spring will work to  just hold the seesaw system and we can take a tubular piston instead of this spring .This wheel will will move in clockwise direction  and we will have to fix the whole system in horizontal direction.  The clockwise movement of this wheel will be determined by 3 no. magnet as it will push the 1 no. magnet in clockwise direction.
If you have any doubts then please tell me to clear your doubts.

Thank you Sir.
Vikram
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: Low-Q on September 20, 2016, 07:26:27 AM
Dear Vidar Sir,
The spring will work to  just hold the seesaw system and we can take a tubular piston instead of this spring .This wheel will will move in clockwise direction  and we will have to fix the whole system in horizontal direction.  The clockwise movement of this wheel will be determined by 3 no. magnet as it will push the 1 no. magnet in clockwise direction.
If you have any doubts then please tell me to clear your doubts.

Thank you Sir.
Vikram
In your drawing there appears to be two magnets attached to the wheel. Magnet 1 that appears to attached some distance away from the wheel (via rod), and a magnet at the bottom that is attached directly to the wheel. Is the bottom red "lump" on the wheel also a magnet?

Vidar
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on September 20, 2016, 10:13:34 AM
No it is not a magnet  it is just a weight to balance the wheel.
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on September 22, 2016, 06:41:03 AM
this wheel will move definitely and this device is a game of exact timing  if we get  exact timing among these magnets then no resistance can stop this wheel wheather it is air resistance ,vibration or heat or anyother.It will move........
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: Low-Q on September 22, 2016, 12:41:31 PM
this wheel will move definitely and this device is a game of exact timing  if we get  exact timing among these magnets then no resistance can stop this wheel wheather it is air resistance ,vibration or heat or anyother.It will move........
Sorry for being late. I have pundled with other projects lately, but I am now ready to build your device.
There is no established or correct ways to make the timing for an OU device, because OU has allways been out of the question in physics.
So this timing is something that must be invented first. If you got a solid theory of correct timing for an OU device, it will save me lots of time in trial and error.

Can you please provide your math that convince you that wheel will provide excess energy?

Vidar

Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on September 22, 2016, 07:00:04 PM
Dear vidar sir,
I just mean  to exact timing is exact repulsion timing among  these magnets and I don't have  any math calculation regarding this.

Thank you Sir

vikram
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: Low-Q on September 25, 2016, 09:20:49 PM
I made this thing, and it does not work. The spring is replaced with a rubberband because I had no springs. But the function to keep the seesaw in alignment worked.
When I spin up the wheel, the seesaw will wobble. But this wobbeling does not add energy into the wheel. As expected. Instead the wheel stops sooner when the seesaw is there than if I remove the seesaw.
Reason:
When the wheel magnet put the seesaw in motion, the wheel transfer work into the seesaw.
The seesaw is not perfectly frictionless, and the rubberband is not a perfect suspension, so the wheel will not get back all the work it gave. So the wheel will stop.
Vikram, please tell me what to do next to do adjustments. I can see from you drawing that the seesaw is not looking just like the one I printed out in the video below.

https://youtu.be/eDqY4L0HASU

Vidar
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on September 26, 2016, 09:27:12 AM
Dear vidar  sir,

At first million thanks for your effort.
There are several mistakes in making this device .
please give me a day time so that i could tell you about those mistakes and provide  some  solutions  as I 'm preparing an another sketch and solutions for Duel energy system also  and now I can say that this device will work definitely after viewing the video.

Thank you Sir

Vikram

Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: Low-Q on September 26, 2016, 05:37:50 PM
Dear vidar  sir,

At first million thanks for your effort.
There are several mistakes in making this device .
please give me a day time so that i could tell you about those mistakes and provide  some  solutions  as I 'm preparing an another sketch and solutions for Duel energy system also  and now I can say that this device will work definitely after viewing the video.

Thank you Sir

Vikram
You're welcome :)
I'll wait patiently for your new design. Since you are conviced that your design will work, I guess you have a theory that will lead to some accurate parts I need to make. I am happy with making parts, but not so happy in wasting time on parts that is not right ;)
No hurry. Take your time. I will probably not have time to do much the next 7-8 days anyways. I am finishing a speaker build for the HiFi event October 1. - 2. next weekend. Designed and built by myself. Built in digital amplifiers with BlueTooth, DSP (Digital Sound Processor) and everything. I spend lots of time calibrating the DSP for maximum sound quality - that takes time!
So if you wonder why I have so many neodymium magnets in my garage, you don't need to ask ;D

Vidar
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on October 01, 2016, 09:50:29 AM
Dear Vidar Sir,

Take a look on these changes.In this sketch you will find that I have attached 10 shake flashlights on  the both side of a balanced seesaw system and this seesaw is moving with 3 to 6 volt toy motor but  I have used 10 no. shake flashlights and each flashlight will produce only 2 volt as a output ,which will be less than input . On the first hand each flashlight is producing only 2 volt and on the second hand the total 10 no. flashlights systems are producing 20 volt . If we try this concept than input is more than output but if we add total output then it is greater than input.

please answer me that will these flashlights will be light up or not as mass is not an issue in this device.
Note(1)each flashlight is separate with another flashlight .
(2)we are using only 3 to 6 volt motor to press the seesaw system and I have attached a crankshaft with seesaw system and  a motor to convert motor's rotatory motion in to linear motion .Now motor is pressing the seesaw system and due to this, flashlights are also shaking  but we are using only 3 volt as a input to light up these 20 no. flashlights (also include another arm of seesaw ).
for an example   I have used 10 no. coil+ magnet and each coil+ magnet system will produce only 2 volt as a output ,which will be less than input and on the first hand each magnet+ coil system is producing only 2 volt and on the second hand the total 10 no. magnet+ coil systems are producing 20 volt . If we try this concept than input is more than output but if we add total output then it is greater than input.

Further more if I connect a motor with exhaust fan with each coil+magnet or flashlight instead of LED bulb then these total 10 no. fan will work to pass the air through a blow pipe and this exhaust air will work to run a 10 volt motor again .In this way can we get more output than input.

In this case as far as I think I'm not violating any thermodynamics laws as we are getting less output than input with each coil+magnet system. But total 10 no. magnet +coil systems are producing 10 volt as a output and no reverse magnetism work in this system also due to more input than output.ed seesaw there is need of less energy or input we are using only a 3 volt toy motor and this motor will run only with AA size battery.suppose one flash light is generating 1.5 volt and 1 amp so the electricity will be or power will be using P=VI(1.5*1=1.5 watt) and we can generate 1.5 watt power with each flashlight but I have attached 10 or 20 or 30 flash lights on the seesaw system and this seesaw is moving or turning  with the help of only 2  to 4 no. AA size battery.If we are getting 1.5 watt with each flashlight then can we use this current to run a 1.5 watt motor and in this way can we run or move attached no. fans which are 10 ,20 or 30 or more and again gathering the exhaust of these total fans through a blower to run a powerful turbine  than a 3 volt toy motor.

Note(1) the total exhaust gathered from these fans can easily run a small wind turbine which output will be greater than 3 or 4 AA size batteries.
(2) There is no issue of mass in this design  and INERTIA IS NOT A PROBLEM I CAN EASILY SHORT OUT THIS PROBLEM.

IF YOU HAVE SOME TIME THEN ALSO TAKE A LOOK ON MY SECOND CONCEPT'  DEEP SPACE PROPULSION USING SPRING FORCE AND KINETIC ENERGY'.

THANK YOU SIR

VIKRAM
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on October 01, 2016, 12:25:09 PM
sketch
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on October 02, 2016, 04:33:55 AM
Dear vidar sir,
The wheel you built is not working as there are several mistakes .
(1) The seesaw system connected with rubber band is not perfect
(2)Magnet shape is an another problem as these both magnets of seesaw opposing equally the 1 no. magnet at same time.
(3)angle of repelling of 3 no. magnet of 1 no. magnet is not perfect or not working.

solutions:
(1) we can use a piston like tube and will attach it only with the right Arm of seesaw system  as it will work to just holding this seesaw system.there is no need of spring and rubber band.
(2) we will use rectangle shape magnets if you don't have rectangle shape magnets then just take rectangle wooden blocks and attach your Ring shape magnets but this time we will have to take 4 no. magnets.
(3)The angle of repelling of 1 no. magnet is very important in this design.if we adjust the seesaw system in this way that when 1 no. magnet is repelling the 2 no. magnet then the 3 no. magnet could repel 1 no. magnet with a perfect angle .The important thing is designing of SEESAW system in this device.

If we do these changes then it will work.
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: sm0ky2 on October 03, 2016, 02:33:44 AM
As our dear friend Archer Quinn once taught us....

Take a lever with 1,000 Kg on each end in perfect balance.
Now add the energy of one penny with gravity.
E=(mass of penny) * 9.8 m/s/s * (1/2 length of lever)
Then stand underneath that 1,000 Kg as it comes crashing down on your head.
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: lancaIV on October 03, 2016, 08:25:13 AM

magnetic seesaw "wave" and rotor/stator(motor) wheel :

wheel-motion translation linear/rotational

http://www.energynews.gr/electric.htm (http://www.energynews.gr/electric.htm)

"seesaw"
real-world and neuronal/cerebral -"quantum mechanics"-world

(Murray/Dirac "Dark-Deep Matter"  See/sea )
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on October 04, 2016, 07:51:33 AM
It is completely full proof ,flawless design .A real perpetual machine.

Vikram
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on October 04, 2016, 07:52:31 AM
This seesaw system with flashlight will work and there is no flaw in this design .
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: Low-Q on October 05, 2016, 10:25:44 AM
Dear Vidar Sir,

Take a look on these changes.In this sketch you will find that I have attached 10 shake flashlights on  the both side of a balanced seesaw system and this seesaw is moving with 3 to 6 volt toy motor but  I have used 10 no. shake flashlights and each flashlight will produce only 2 volt as a output ,which will be less than input . On the first hand each flashlight is producing only 2 volt and on the second hand the total 10 no. flashlights systems are producing 20 volt . If we try this concept than input is more than output but if we add total output then it is greater than input.

please answer me that will these flashlights will be light up or not as mass is not an issue in this device.
Note(1)each flashlight is separate with another flashlight .
(2)we are using only 3 to 6 volt motor to press the seesaw system and I have attached a crankshaft with seesaw system and  a motor to convert motor's rotatory motion in to linear motion .Now motor is pressing the seesaw system and due to this, flashlights are also shaking  but we are using only 3 volt as a input to light up these 20 no. flashlights (also include another arm of seesaw ).
for an example   I have used 10 no. coil+ magnet and each coil+ magnet system will produce only 2 volt as a output ,which will be less than input and on the first hand each magnet+ coil system is producing only 2 volt and on the second hand the total 10 no. magnet+ coil systems are producing 20 volt . If we try this concept than input is more than output but if we add total output then it is greater than input.

Further more if I connect a motor with exhaust fan with each coil+magnet or flashlight instead of LED bulb then these total 10 no. fan will work to pass the air through a blow pipe and this exhaust air will work to run a 10 volt motor again .In this way can we get more output than input.

In this case as far as I think I'm not violating any thermodynamics laws as we are getting less output than input with each coil+magnet system. But total 10 no. magnet +coil systems are producing 10 volt as a output and no reverse magnetism work in this system also due to more input than output.ed seesaw there is need of less energy or input we are using only a 3 volt toy motor and this motor will run only with AA size battery.suppose one flash light is generating 1.5 volt and 1 amp so the electricity will be or power will be using P=VI(1.5*1=1.5 watt) and we can generate 1.5 watt power with each flashlight but I have attached 10 or 20 or 30 flash lights on the seesaw system and this seesaw is moving or turning  with the help of only 2  to 4 no. AA size battery.If we are getting 1.5 watt with each flashlight then can we use this current to run a 1.5 watt motor and in this way can we run or move attached no. fans which are 10 ,20 or 30 or more and again gathering the exhaust of these total fans through a blower to run a powerful turbine  than a 3 volt toy motor.

Note(1) the total exhaust gathered from these fans can easily run a small wind turbine which output will be greater than 3 or 4 AA size batteries.
(2) There is no issue of mass in this design  and INERTIA IS NOT A PROBLEM I CAN EASILY SHORT OUT THIS PROBLEM.

IF YOU HAVE SOME TIME THEN ALSO TAKE A LOOK ON MY SECOND CONCEPT'  DEEP SPACE PROPULSION USING SPRING FORCE AND KINETIC ENERGY'.

THANK YOU SIR

VIKRAM
I can't go buying 10 flashlights for this.
First of all, you misunderstand the concept of electricity. It is no problem using a piezoelectric igniter on your seesaw also. This can easily produce thousands of volts with the seesaw this way. What you do not consider, is that voltage isn't energy untill the voltage is dropping through a resistor or a bulb and ALSO creates current.
Electric ENERGY is a product of voltage and amperes. If the toy motor is rated to 3 Watt, it will draw 1 Ampere at 3 Volt. If you have an output of 20 Volt, the energy output will be the same - 3 Watt. That means that the flashlights combined cannot produce more than 0,15 Ampere at 20 Volt.

This design is basicly a mechanical transformer. Like regular AC transformers, the voltage input and voltage output is determined by the number of windings in the primary and secondary coil. If you put 230V AC into the primary coil with 500 windings, and you have 50 000 windings on the secondary coil, you will have an voltage output of 23 000 Volt, but this isn't over unity because the Ampere capacity drops with the same factor.
This is also what is happening in your 10x flashlight seesaw. I know this.

Vidar
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: Low-Q on October 05, 2016, 10:28:47 AM
This seesaw system with flashlight will work and there is no flaw in this design .
I have a strange feeling that you're kidding with me, and wasting my time. Read my previous post.

Vidar
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: vikram_gupta11 on October 09, 2016, 04:19:09 AM
I'm not kidding up with anyone.

I did some experiment and after that I post this Idea .
I used 6 balls (toy ball which light up due to pressure) and attach these balls with both Arms of seesaw system .when I applied a force on this seesaw then the balls glowed up and So I think that we can use coil+magnet system and it will also work.
I also tested mass issue that so I put 3 kilogram weight on each arm but it didn't effect the whole system and balls again glowed up with same force that I applied before attaching the weight.
Now I want to tell that I used just a very little force only using my finger tips and this system did well what I was expecting.

Now in this design we are shaking 10 no. flashlights with the force of equal to shake a single flashlight(COIL+MAGNET) and these flashlight will work or glow up there is no doubt about it. we can take not only 10 no. flashlight but also 20,30,50 or more because remember the seesaw is in balanced position so again say that there is need of only small amount of energy to move it and also consider that this seesaw is just moving only 2 to 3 centimeter sideways so this is also an advantage .
Friction is very less,applying force is same as we are shaking 10 no. flashlights with the force of shaking a single flashlight.sideways momentum is only 2 to 3 centimeter then why this should not work?

ONLY ONE TIME GREATER INPUT IS SUFFICIENT TO SHAKE ALL 10 NUMBERED FLASHLIGHTS OR COIL+MAGNET SYSTEM.

There may be friction loss but it will be negligible and there will be no effect on the entire system due to this loss.
Title: Re: Dual energy generation with magnetic seesaw system and gravity
Post by: Low-Q on October 09, 2016, 10:28:24 AM
Hi,

The toy balls contains batteries, don't they?
Anyways:
You do not need a seesaw to shake the flashlights. The balanced system doesn't have any other benefit than being balanced, and possibly helping the system to run smoother. You could likely used a pendulum with shakers on it, or mounted the flashlights directly to motor.
Let aside the seesaw, the flashlights are not providing more energy than the shaking energy input.
You will experience drag in the seesaw because the shaking magnets inside the coils will oppose motion. Not only opposing motion, but also move through the coils with some delay. This delay will cause the magnets to still continue a short bit in the same direction even if the seesaw has changed direction to the opposite.

I try hard not to step on anyones toes, but I still have a feeling you're kidding with us, OR you really need to sit down and study basic primary school physics...Because it's very obvious that this idea isn't going to work.

There is NO way this system will produce more energy than it consumes. Make a pendulum with shaker flashlights on it. You will soon see that the pendulum will stop quite quicker than wothout the flashlights on them.

Vidar