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Offline Freedomfuel

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Re: A PLACE FOR DEBATE
« Reply #30 on: November 20, 2006, 12:35:35 AM »
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Re: A PLACE FOR DEBATE
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Re: A PLACE FOR DEBATE
« Reply #32 on: November 22, 2006, 04:41:15 PM »
With SM's mention of supersonic flight - I am leaning more towards "cavitation" and "shock waves" - both can be created electromagneticly.

Magnetrons cavitate.

"soundwaves leaving the aircraft pile up on each other, similar to a tailback on a road, and a shock wave forms, the pressure increases, and then spreads out sideways. Because of this amplification effect, a shock wave is very intense, more like an explosion when you hear it (not coincidentally, since explosions create shock waves).

Particles accelerated beyond the speed of light in a refractive medium (where the speed of light is less than that in a vacuum, such as water) create visible x, a phenomenon known as Cherenkov radiation - which may be outside visible spectrum.

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Re: A PLACE FOR DEBATE
« Reply #32 on: November 22, 2006, 04:41:15 PM »
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Re: A PLACE FOR DEBATE
« Reply #33 on: November 22, 2006, 10:35:14 PM »
Why does everything need to be so complicated? There always has to be some fantastical process or mystery particle involved, Why can't it be simple?
Here's a thought get a sim like vizimag, draw a toroid in an external field(north=top to south=bottom),what do you see? You see the external field lines(Earth field?) bend too each side of the toroid because the flux flows easier through iron(yes iron). So the external field lines bending through and around the circle look just like the flowlines of air travelling around a circle? sound familiar?
And if on the left side of the toroid(West) a coil produced a magnetic field moving upwards(North) what would happen? All of the external field would be diverted to the right side(East) plus the coil field. When the coil field turned off the external field plus the imarted field would try to equalize,overshooting back to the left side of the toroid(resonance).
All within the physics we know, no unprovable fanasy theories needed.

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Re: A PLACE FOR DEBATE
« Reply #34 on: November 23, 2006, 12:10:54 AM »
it is actually pretty simple.  No fancy particles are discussed. 

Orthogonal magnetic fields can be independent.  Induction is not considered to occur between orthogonal coils.  You can have to orthogonal coils on the same core and excite each coil independently - this does increase the amount of flux that the material will accept before saturation.  While all of this is interesting and useful, the fields are conservative and you will not achieve OU.

Very much information is in the videos and the answers will be found if you look for them.

For example, the magnetic field of the earth is not the simple bar magnet that everyone thinks of.

I recommed that you Google up the work of "Albert Roy Davis and Walter Rawls" with magnets, electromagnets, and the Earth's magnetic field.

Much interesting information such as this:
 
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Magnetism HAS A  FREQUENCY.   It  also  has  motion.   The  rate  of vibration depends on  the  size,  length, width, and  power  of  the magnet.  Solid state  composition  magnets,  such as metal, iron and steel, are CONSTANT in their rate  of  vibration  DEPENDING on their structure.  An electromagnet,  however,  may  present  a  number  of different types of vibrations.


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However, a coil  wound  a  certain  number  of turns has a different frequency from a fixed metal or composition  magnet.   As  the  coil heats, the resistance  to  the flow of current INCREASES.   Here  we have a SLOW DROP in magnetic lines, or cables, of force to a RISE IN FORCE, depending upon   the   wire   and  core  materials  used  for construction.  Therefore, the    vibrations    supplied    by    the electromagnet are NOT  AS  CONSTANT  as  those  from  the  metal  or composition magnet.

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They claim that magnetic poles have completely opposite effects, including spin direction. (Just like Walter Russell showed.)

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Re: A PLACE FOR DEBATE
« Reply #34 on: November 23, 2006, 12:10:54 AM »
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Re: A PLACE FOR DEBATE
« Reply #35 on: November 23, 2006, 01:18:29 AM »
I am officially convinced this device is a hoax, too many things just dont make sense.

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Heres the real deal Mr Mark and UEC: This device is either going to make it to market or
not... If it is coming to market, GET IT DONE! Why dick arround for over a decade?
If you are planning on never releasing this technology, why bother telling us anything?
If people are reading your words to ensure you don't give us the answer we'll never get
any useful information. If you have never recieved any money for the device why not give
its secrets away? GET YOUR STORY STRAIGHT!
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Mannix if no one has been contacting you and you have just been posting your own
silly theories be ashamed of yourself! If someone is/was contacting you, how do you know
it is SM and not Brian Collins (or who ever is "spreading lies"). Mr Marks if you are reading
this, your inconsistant murky incomplete discriptions and analogys have only led to
strife, mistrust, failure, and lot of useless expensive torroid units. Please be more clear!

No progress made here, your words have led to skeptism and disgust in our fellow man.

I'm no longer going to even bother reading these threads as the smell of bullshit and
humbug has made them remarkably painful to read and have even reduced my beliefs
in the possibilities of overunity itself. This one device if legit, has the potential to save the human
race... Lets not tell anyone how it works though... Instead we'll tease them with tid bits of
common knowlege that may or may not have any significant relation to the device.

So stupid...

I'm sorry if my opinions are too blunt, but this whole thing has been nothing but a headache...

NOT EVEN ONE STEP CLOSER TO REPLICATION... NO NEW INFO!!!
The only thing we got out of the deal was thousands of posts filled with hot air...
Its been a great 8 months, thanks for filling my head with useless shit...

I'm done with it.

~Dingus

(Sorry for my anger, but I'm sure my points make sense to all who read them)

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Re: A PLACE FOR DEBATE
« Reply #36 on: November 23, 2006, 01:37:38 AM »
To all,

Ignore the rants of the frustrated.  They are just the background noise.

By the way, Tesla and SM are correct - you can have signals going both directions and at different frequencies.

There are also two paths between the poles of two magnets - intertwined, but separate.







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Re: A PLACE FOR DEBATE
« Reply #36 on: November 23, 2006, 01:37:38 AM »
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Re: A PLACE FOR DEBATE
« Reply #37 on: November 23, 2006, 01:41:59 AM »
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Heres the real deal Mr Mark and UEC: This device is either going to make it to market or
not... If it is coming to market, GET IT DONE! Why dick arround for over a decade?
If you are planning on never releasing this technology, why bother telling us anything?
If people are reading your words to ensure you don't give us the answer we'll never get
any useful information. If you have never recieved any money for the device why not give
its secrets away? GET YOUR STORY STRAIGHT!
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Yeah ignore the obvious unaswered questions...
Sorry if my rant is discouraging.

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Re: A PLACE FOR DEBATE
« Reply #38 on: November 23, 2006, 03:16:25 AM »
Hey Dingus make no mistake there are people working in the background, if it can be done someone will do it. I only hope they have the common sense to disclose it, I would.

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Re: A PLACE FOR DEBATE
« Reply #38 on: November 23, 2006, 03:16:25 AM »
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Re: A PLACE FOR DEBATE
« Reply #39 on: November 23, 2006, 03:30:34 AM »
Hey Dingus make no mistake there are people working in the background, if it can be done someone will do it. I only hope they have the common sense to disclose it, I would.

I know there are dozens of members working hard at this project.
That is what is killing me over here. Every week I read more and more hoping to hear of their progress, and every week I find that its the same theoretical discussions taking place but no progress made. I don't have any gruff with the builders at all, its the entities that hide behind self declared knowlege of the working order of the device. Both of those people have worked me in to a nerdy rage. :P

I don't buy their story any more.

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Re: A PLACE FOR DEBATE
« Reply #40 on: November 23, 2006, 06:27:45 AM »
All I can say for sure is that neither Mannix or the person he claims is SM were involved with any of the videos we've seen of the device. I can say this for sure because: if they were involved in any of those demos, the device would have been in a box under a sheet in another room.  :D

I'm going to continue to read these threads everyday even though it kills me to do so just to see where these two persons actually lead the group. I want to know just what they're trying to help us understand and what the group can accomplish after they understand what it is Mannix has been preaching for the last 6-8 months.

We've lost valuable members and are currently discrediting the device publicly...

I hope what ever it is you guys are rewarded with in the end is worth it. :-\

Another unanswered question: What exactly is it Mannix is trying to help us understand?
The tipical bullshit response: How the device operates...  ::)

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Re: A PLACE FOR DEBATE
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« Reply #41 on: November 23, 2006, 03:18:55 PM »
Some things must be experienced to be understood.

If you are handed the plans - you build the device but you do not understand how it works - you can not tune it - you can not make adjustments - you can not make a larger or smaller one.

If you walk to path of the experimentalist, like SM, Tesla, and Marinov - then you will understand.

To move forward, you need a frequency source - can be audio (dual channel would be nice - one for each direction) - and you need  a "phase shifter"  - build one.

EDIT: EMDevices would be a big help with the circuits.

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Re: A PLACE FOR DEBATE
« Reply #42 on: November 23, 2006, 04:31:56 PM »
Hey Grumpy
Do you need to drop a bowling ball on your foot to understand it's all bad and really hurts? No
If the plans are complete, the fundamental process outlined, and operating parameters explained most people could build a working machine over time. As well a trouble-shooting guide would be handy, in which case the " you have to build it and experiment" theory holds no water. Do you have to build and experiment with your personal computer in order to use it? A computer is infinately more complex than the SM machine.
No one seems to want to ask the right nor the relevant questions, anyone saying everyone else could never understand this is probably delusional. They essentially declare themselves a god among men, for what? Building an simple electromechanical machine anyone could build given proper instruction. The stench of vanity surrounds quite a few of these inventors.

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Re: A PLACE FOR DEBATE
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Re: A PLACE FOR DEBATE
« Reply #44 on: November 23, 2006, 09:43:31 PM »
Hey freedomfuel
In your post you quoted steven as saying-

"it was not MY TECHNOLOGY. I had no rights concerning it at all. It is under the control of the federal government for the benefit of the people of the United States".

If this is the case the US government has this and SM knows all about it.
Do you think if SM took this technology to the media, with working models the governments would have the balls to say it is top secret and cannot be used, and take him to court? The media and general public would overthrow and flog any government stupid enough to even mention such a thing. Can you imagine a senator saying such a thing? He would be living in a cardboard box faster than you can say"What just happened". It is common knowledge that should this OU technology ever go truly public , NO one would dare say anything to stop it, It would be political suicide.

This is a classical paradox- Man cannot speak out because he is threatened-But should the man ever speak out the persons making the threat can never follow through.

 

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