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Title: New proposed design for RegenX
Post by: Over Goat on August 12, 2016, 11:36:14 PM
what do you make of this:

new design from Jean Pierre Ghys
Title: Re: New proposed design for RegenX
Post by: Dog-One on August 13, 2016, 08:31:15 AM
That's a hell of an interesting concept there OG.  Have to give it some more thought for sure.

You don't by chance have any more information on this do you?

I'm curious as to whether this has gone beyond the concept phase or not--has something been prototyped and tested yet?
Title: Re: New proposed design for RegenX
Post by: Over Goat on August 13, 2016, 08:46:53 AM
That's a hell of an interesting concept there OG.  Have to give it some more thought for sure.

You don't by chance have any more information on this do you?

I'm curious as to whether this has gone beyond the concept phase or not--has something been prototyped and tested yet?

Thane Heins would have more background on this, he posted it recently:
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/regenx-ev-generator-prototype-no1-video-test-data-pdi-ceo-thane?trk=mp-reader-card

I tried to find some more background on this and the man whose concept it is.
it appears that he is in France, an inventor in France, if this is him

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Jean_Pierre_Ghys/publications

appears to be affiliated with the Institut Fran├žais des Sciences et Technologies des Transports

so it would fit.  Possibly an associate of Jean Louis Naudin
Title: Re: New proposed design for RegenX
Post by: Dog-One on August 13, 2016, 09:31:36 AM
It strikes me as an advanced version of Jim Murray's Transforming Generator.  Also a variation of the old dynamotor.

Having a hard time seeing any obvious flaws in the design.  It looks to me like if there is current in the rotor, you've
got rotation; what you do with that current while it's in there is up to you.  With the right kind of load on the
regenerative power output coils, I can see how a condition might be setup to cause an increase in current in the
rotor, which would obviously cause acceleration.  Except, this is a synchronous motor.

From my understanding of these types of devices, you can add current to whatever is already there and it's purely
current that is creating the magnetic force.  So if the load continues to push current back into the rotor at just the
right moments, the motor torque increases, but to truly accelerate you need the prime power source to increase in
frequency, otherwise...

I guess you would push power back to the source, which isn't necessarily a bad thing as long as you can take
advantage of it.

Title: Re: New proposed design for RegenX
Post by: Over Goat on August 13, 2016, 10:42:03 AM
That's a hell of an interesting concept there OG.  Have to give it some more thought for sure.

You don't by chance have any more information on this do you?

I'm curious as to whether this has gone beyond the concept phase or not--has something been prototyped and tested yet?

yes it is confusing, isn't it?
by the looks of the accreditations, appears to be a brand new concept as of August 2016, yet it looks like a lot
of thought has gone into the design , though. Hence the confusion. Doubt he came up with a diagram
this convincing without a lot of thought and  work put into designing  how it would operate.
Title: Re: New proposed design for RegenX
Post by: Over Goat on August 13, 2016, 10:47:47 AM
It strikes me as an advanced version of Jim Murray's Transforming Generator.  Also a variation of the old dynamotor.

Having a hard time seeing any obvious flaws in the design.  It looks to me like if there is current in the rotor, you've
got rotation; what you do with that current while it's in there is up to you.  With the right kind of load on the
regenerative power output coils, I can see how a condition might be setup to cause an increase in current in the
rotor, which would obviously cause acceleration.  Except, this is a synchronous motor.

From my understanding of these types of devices, you can add current to whatever is already there and it's purely
current that is creating the magnetic force.  So if the load continues to push current back into the rotor at just the
right moments, the motor torque increases, but to truly accelerate you need the prime power source to increase in
frequency, otherwise...

I guess you would push power back to the source, which isn't necessarily a bad thing as long as you can take
advantage of it.

so if it doesn't accelerate the rotor, and all it does is harvest back EMF from the work already done by the
conventional rotor? The harvested power is returned to the batteries.   Then you would have just a super efficient conventional electric motor, no?

Title: Re: New proposed design for RegenX
Post by: Over Goat on August 13, 2016, 12:37:09 PM

Electric motor which does no mechanical work?  There is no means for coupling to the rotor mechanically,  according to the drawing.....

its a collapse diagram,
the drawing is showing the machine unscrewed and partially dismantled, with the outer casing pulled back and away.
the way I see it, this electric motor could be  just standard motor with a back-EMF-harvesting system attached to one end of it.
So it might not accelerate under load. Instead it might just generate electricity and the generated electric output cycled back to the batteries.

this thing obviously screws together over top of the inner core.

It's just a modified standard electric motor with special back- EMF harvesting coils
over the very end of the rotor:
Title: Re: New proposed design for RegenX
Post by: Grumage on August 13, 2016, 12:40:20 PM

Electric motor which does no mechanical work?  There is no means for coupling to the rotor mechanically,  according to the drawing.....

Dear Erfinder.

It appears to me that the " Squirrel cage " rotor is an extended/modified  version and a second stator case would be directly coupled to the drive casing.

This wouldn't be something the average " Joe " could engineer IMHO.

Cheers Grum.
Title: Re: New proposed design for RegenX
Post by: minnie on August 13, 2016, 01:58:52 PM



  Just a quick thought,have you considered the efficiency of an induction motor to start with?
  For a small HP. motor you're looking at mid 70%,when you get to 200HP. you can get into
  the mid 90%range.It's a hell of a burden to start off with!
        John.
Title: Re: New proposed design for RegenX
Post by: Over Goat on August 13, 2016, 02:00:29 PM

I appreciate what you're saying, and also what the drawing suggests, however, if the motor were operated correctly, there would be no need for a second stator.  Many have figured that out over the years, but have stagnated at key areas.  99 percent of the available energy is not being harvested, and I am not referring to so-called "recovered", I am referring specifically to all instances where energy is generated, as per Faraday and Lenz. 
Regards

there must be some new aspect to this , then. There is no electrical supply to the second (red) stator.
So its not really a 'second stator', then. ( Because the first [yellow] stator has a wired power supply[power input] going into it.)
What if the spinning rotor is wirelessly charging the red coils? The charge is then collected by the battery, and it puts out more power than it consumes.
Title: Re: New proposed design for RegenX
Post by: Over Goat on August 13, 2016, 02:27:42 PM
In an electric vehicle, it would have to put out dramatically more power than it consumes, to make the weight expenditure even worth it.
Title: Re: New proposed design for RegenX
Post by: citfta on August 13, 2016, 02:29:30 PM
I really don't see anything unusual about this "new" design.  What you are looking at is commonly called a dynamotor.  They were used extensively by the military during World War II.  They can be made several different ways.  Some had a DC input and an AC output.  Some had both DC input and output for changing voltage.  And some had AC input and AC output for changing voltage and/or frequency.  Here is a link to some pictures of some different kinds of dynamotors:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=dynamotor&t=ffsb&iax=1&ia=images (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=dynamotor&t=ffsb&iax=1&ia=images)


The second stator in the drawing is the output.

Carroll
Title: Re: New proposed design for RegenX
Post by: Over Goat on August 13, 2016, 02:49:01 PM

The rotor field excites the red coils.  That much is clear.  There is more to this, however, the question is who is going to build it and demonstrate that there is?  I'm not.  I say that because I know better now.  Motor and generator are one, and should be treated as such, in this example, which may have merit, they are treated as they have always been treated.  I do not agree with the idea that we should treat the two independently.

as you already pointed out, this is not even a motor, as there is no mechanical output at all.
It only outputs electricity, so its purely a generator. 
It could act as a portable (vehicular) generator or as a stationary generator , but only if the
power output is significant enough to make it worthwhile.