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Author Topic: Faraday paradox revisited,magnetic field rotation question.  (Read 52703 times)

Offline onepower

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Re: Faraday paradox revisited,magnetic field rotation question.
« Reply #120 on: June 27, 2023, 01:46:19 AM »
That was a wonderful and quite lengthy diatribe however in the real world which can be proven at our bench none
of the Primary Fields(Magnetic, Electric, Gravic) rotate with the source. It just doesn't happen no matter how much you wish it were true.

It's best to stick with reality...

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Re: Faraday paradox revisited,magnetic field rotation question.
« Reply #121 on: June 27, 2023, 03:58:34 AM »
Sweet projections. Diatribe is 100% yours. Your denial of Nature's Principles does not change them.

You have proven nothing "in the real world" or any world, while i have proven clearly that there are flux lines and that field spins with the "source".

Firstly the idea of "source", as i wrote before, is highly misleading, for fact is gravitational field can and often does exist independently in space, without a single atom of matter in it. Of course you cannot understand this, but fact is whirl in the ether (of this or any level) which gravity field is can be created by various means. It can be created by solid state induced EM fields as Hutchison has proven. It can also be created by yet higher means, even without measurable EM fields, "source" would be totally undetectable to you, yet you would perceive the resulting gravity field. HOW COME. No matter, no EM fields, yet gravity field is present. That much about your "source".

As i have written..... Magnetic field itself is not uniform, it is always compressed toward the edges of a magnet and not exactly uniform all around. There are slight variations in flux density and that clearly shows when magnet is spun. So if you take a gauss meter (which i had) and you put that probe on the edge of a cylinder magnet and you spin the cylinder, it will vary. If field is not rotating how come gauss reading varies as magnet is spun.

Of course, you can't answer, for fact is it rotates with the magnet.

Likewise the gravity and electric field.

To get back to gravity fields. As it was told to Tassel by people from Venus:

"The negative "B" lines are attracted to the Earth's positive core, but are resisted by the "G" light insulation strata. Having penetrated the negative crust, they are repelled by it and take the line of least resistance, which is out of the North Pole. By induction, they attracted the positive core to rotate in one direction, and in being repelled helped the negative crust to rotate in the opposite direction. The "A" positive lines of force work opposite to the foregoing, and are emitted at the South Pole."

And, as i wrote before, this is also what Oahspe says. Spinning etheric vortex and spinning lines of force spinning the planet. And this same principle applies to all scales from universes, galaxies down to subatomic particles which leads again to theosophical Anu which may be called sub-quarks attached below, fundamental particles of each plane, it is essentially a gravity field we're looking at, twisted electromagnetic lines of force.

These particles, as i wrote countless times, are said to have rotation and pulsation like a heart. We can imagine them to look something like this up close (and Adepts can see them like this without help of any apparatus).

https://media.tenor.com/DbpSAupy4XQAAAAM/toroide.gif

Magnetic, Electric, Gravitic fields do rotate with the source. It just does happen no matter how much you wish it were not true.

It's best to stick with reality and reality is FAR from how you imagined it to be ...
« Last Edit: June 27, 2023, 08:52:35 AM by nix85 »

Offline nix85

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Re: Faraday paradox revisited,magnetic field rotation question.
« Reply #122 on: June 27, 2023, 05:35:14 AM »
BTW It was found only few decades ago that Earth's inner and outer cores rotate in opposite directions

https://www.livescience.com/39780-magnetic-field-pushes-earth-core.html

How did Tassel know it in 1958., for he told the Truth.

Offline onepower

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Re: Faraday paradox revisited,magnetic field rotation question.
« Reply #123 on: June 27, 2023, 09:01:27 AM »
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Magnetic field itself is not uniform, it is always compressed toward the edges of a magnet and not exactly uniform all around. There are slight variations in flux density and that clearly shows when magnet is spun. So if you take a gauss meter (which i had) and you put that probe on the edge of a cylinder magnet and you spin the cylinder, it will vary. If field is not rotating how come gauss reading varies as magnet is spun.

Of course, you can't answer, for fact is it rotates with the magnet.

It's an easy question with an easy answer.

When I was mapping magnetic fields in 3D with a my magnetometer array I detected random changes in field strength closer to the magnet. My magnet levitating circuits and magnetic bearings also showed anomalies causing small oscillations. The field is uniform at a distance and random field changes only occur closer to the surface of a permanent magnet but not a solenoid electromagnet.

Now if you moved the sensor over the magnets surface you would see rotation has nothing to do with it. The field is changing because the magnets material density and domain strength changes. The permanent magnet manufacturers claim the field strength changes because they compact the powdered magnetic material in a press and some areas are more dense than others. So the magnetic field strength randomly changes all around the magnet more so the cheaper the magnet is.

Here's another clue, the magnet manufactures also claim striking, heating or prolonged repulsion can demagnetize random areas of the magnet producing a non-uniform field. I used to clamp small magnets to a large ring magnet to demagnetize some areas. Now spinning the ring magnet on the axis of the pole face could induce a coil because the field was changing in strength where before it couldn't. So it's not flux lines silly it's the material density of the magnet which is changing.

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Re: Faraday paradox revisited,magnetic field rotation question.
« Reply #124 on: June 27, 2023, 09:57:43 AM »
Now if you moved the sensor over...

You answered nothing, you just confirmed field rotates.

Field is not uniform at distance either, it's just that variations are harder to detect cause flux density becomes too low.

Then you write this silly and wrong statement

"Now if you moved the sensor over the magnets surface you would see rotation has nothing to do with it. "

Rotation has EVERYTHING to do with it. Of course flux density changes when you move the sensor over magnet's surface, but change is NOT random, it tops at certain places and bottoms at other, FIXED places. And when magnet is rotated those variations in the field rotate with it. It shows clearly what i have been saying from the beginning that big magnet is just many small magnets forced together and that field as a whole spins.

In fact, there are companies that make programmable PMs with as many poles of any size and in any geometric configuration one wants, custom made.

Obviously field is changing because of material density and/or domain strength varies across the thickness of the magnet. And obviously that hitting the magnet or heating it or prolonged repulsion can demagnetize random areas of the magnet producing a non-uniform field, these are obvious things, as i wrote above there are companies that make custom many-pole magnets.

And i have already linked to my video in Just another Don Smith thread where i show two ring magnets attracted on both sides, there are no tricks involved, they are old magnets which were in proximity of stronger neodymium magnet and got partially randomly re/demagnetized and so with little bit of turning them around their axis sweet spot is easily found on both sides where they lock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AdMe85hwnE

And you write "but not a solenoid electromagnet" again repeating what i wrote, quote

"Only if we imagine a magnetic field which is perfectly uniform all around as might be created by a coil field would be so uniform no variation could be detected."

And that field of a coil is uniform does not change the fact field rotates, for if there is any irregularity in field of a coil it equally spins with the coil like areas of varying flux spin with a permanent magnet.

Again, fact is stronger and weaker flux areas in any magnet are fixed and travel with their respective spots, field as a whole undeniably SPINS with the magnet.

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Re: Faraday paradox revisited,magnetic field rotation question.
« Reply #125 on: September 17, 2023, 05:52:12 AM »
hello everyone.
I'm quite surprised that this topic is still alive, many interesting replies, some are little offtopic but whatever.
Here are some experiments confirming that field does not rotate.

https://youtu.be/c5wgmTGi5pU   <---- based on Kannard experiment.

and below is pdf with similar approach.

Also if you take a round magnet and make it roll  on long flat aluminium plate, rolling magnet would experience a force (induction, lenz)- this is the case1 scenario. Now if you glue the magnet to thin piece of polished plastic and slide it on polished aluminium plate the magnet will experienced exact same force as in case 1. This let me to believe that magnetic field do not rotate when magnet is rolling, magnetic field always is moving in straight line and not rotating even if magnet is rolling on the aluminium plate.

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Re: Faraday paradox revisited,magnetic field rotation question.
« Reply #126 on: September 17, 2023, 05:56:49 AM »
Here is something else.. Why there is no current flow in this circuit? (I've build this)

On this diagram, the copper wires are long and extend far beyond the magnetic field range (look at the field lines) and they rotate with multimeter or BT transmitter, magnet is stationary, the blue arrows symbolize hypothetical currents. I don't understand why EMF is zero here. I heard that the middle wire is also cut by the magnetic field lines so there is opposite current/voltage induced in the middle wire so everything cancels out, is that true?

The way I see it, the current in the middle wire should be induced perpendicularly to the wire ( - in the middle of the wire and + outside, just like in Faraday disk) so I don't understand how this could block the flow of the other currents coming from the side wires.