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Re: The Transmissionline Oscillator Approach
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2006, 10:48:01 PM »
Freedomfuel, thanks for starting this thread.
      I strongly concur with your feelings about the research direction using transmission lines and soliton oscillators as I have also been looking at it from this perspective.  I have also been pondering a good way to create the non-linearities required for soliton generation. Trimming the lines slightly differently will also create stable LF beat harmonics.
   Wishing you the best and hope to help contribute positively to this thread.

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Re: The Transmissionline Oscillator Approach
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2006, 11:41:54 PM »
Thanks  freedomfuel,

Its great to see that you are using the information that has been provided in the context that it was intended. Unfortunately some people used it to support another hypothesis.I am optomistic that a true understanding will develop with your approach.
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« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2006, 04:16:29 PM »
Freedom Fuel... thank you for reviving this and giving it a boot in the right direction. I've been silent since the start of the original thread by Lindsay, I understood and followed the different Ideas. I had nothing productive to add so I never jumped into the discussion due to the amount of distracting posts that were made daily that were not-related.
I've been thinking lately an easy analogy to what we've been trying to produce would be like having a microphone plugged into a P.A. Amp, snap your fingers into the mic, then turn it facing the amplifier speaker so it starts looping / feeding back, if you get closer to the amp, it will grow in amplitude continually until you back away or shut off the amp....

strikingly similar to what you pointed out from the original thread that was overlooked. "When one builds a bifilar coil, using one winding for power, and one for trigger, and drive this with a transistor, there is a certain point, when you bring a magnet close to one end of the coil, you will get a loud squealing noise from the coil. This feedback is the result of the trigger and power coil constantly switching the power transistor used to drive that coil off and on again. "

I'm going to wind a coil this weekend, maybe a couple, a bifilar and a mobius coil as well to start experimentation.

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Re: The Transmissionline Oscillator Approach
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2006, 05:56:32 PM »
"When one builds a bifilar coil, using one winding for power, and one for trigger, and drive this with a transistor, there is a certain point, when you bring a magnet close to one end of the coil, you will get a loud squealing noise from the coil. This feedback is the result of the trigger and power coil constantly switching the power transistor used to drive that coil off and on again. It is also a point where that coil/transistor combination produce a high voltage output which one can gather from the collector of the transistor. If left unchecked, this resonant frequency of on/off switching will burn up the transistor, and thus a resistor must be put into the trigger winding circuit to lessen the voltage produced in the winding. It is one element of what I believe is happening in the Mark device."

This 'squealing noise' is termed self-oscillation and I also think that this could be the basis for opertaion of the Mark device. In fact it seems to be the central theme in many 'free energy' designs. The 'melt-down' claims are most likely explained by people experimenting with LCR oscillators and letting them run out of control. Very high energy levels can be stored in relatively small inductors and the release of this energy in certain circumstances can be frightening.

It's my guess that if there is any substance to the Mark device, then it is along the lines already suggested above in a previous post that progress might be made. My theory is that with controls in place to limit this process, it may be possible to feed-back  some of this energy to sustain oscillation and output power and at the same time reduce input power until a state is raeched where the process is almost completely self sustaining. This however, is only likely IMO if additional aetheric energy is 'sucked' in to the inductor and this increases sufficiently in a non-linear manner whilst the energy buil-up takes place. It also assumes that a power source in the form of a battery is needed to start the process. I suspect that few people have experimented in this area after the first 'fright' of seeing their transistor self destruct! The heating effects and tendency to overheat mentioned on the video would also be explained by this process.

The TPU would be simple, just comprising of a power transistor and base diode, bifilar wound air cored inductor (either 1:1 or single strand trigger winding with bifilar / trifilar  stranded power winding  (two or even three strands connected in series in TESLA style) and a resistor to control the base current through the transistor. The trigger and power coils I suggest would be part of the main toroid together with an inductively coupled 'collector' or 'recovery' coil, making three coils in total, plus any ancillary coils that would probably be needed for control and feedback purposes. The art would be to control the beast and this is where I suspect SM spent a long time mastering. With regards to the iron wire issue, maybe this is used for the power coil in order to slow the energy build-up so that it can be controlled more easily than if normal copper wire is used??

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« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2006, 06:48:28 PM »
I have designed flybackconverters and blocking oscillators professionally for many years. Thinking there might be something for nothing, I went so far as to construct carefully designed test setups to measure any anomolous energy gains from various types of ferrites / silicon steel laminations / wire types including iron wire. The blocking oscillators described in previous posts are well known and well described in the art. You can cause squeeling ( which is just change of frequency and harmonics) by manipulating the gap in an iron core (variable reluctance), you don't need a magnet. The magnet just biases the core close to saturation in one direction and causes a frequency increase. Nothing magic here. These ideas are old ideas. We need a fresh approach and new insights.

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« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2006, 08:43:24 PM »
Hi Sparkman

Have you tried your experiment using air coils? I can understand your findings with iron or ferrite based cores as these convert energy to heat through induced eddy current losses. I've found that I can inductively transfer more power from input to output using a litzed 1:1 trifilar air cored coil than using an iron or ferrite core.

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Re: The Transmissionline Oscillator Approach
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2006, 12:07:05 AM »
Hoppy, thanks for the reply.

you said: "I've found that I can inductively transfer more power from input to output using a litzed 1:1 trifilar air cored coil than using an iron or ferrite core."

I take it you mean that the transfer efficiency is  higher but not over 100%. Air core coils generally mean high frequencies. As the frequency goes higher switching losses also increase, unless you are using a resonant converter approach. To get a lower frequency, you have to use more turns, hence more resistance, lower Q. It's all a careful balancing act called engineering. I'm sure you already know all this, I'm just spelling it out so we know we are on the same page.  I am very interested in your circuit approach. Please describe further. I'm also interested in approaches to get extremely high "Q" (beyond the normal textbook methods).

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« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2006, 11:17:03 AM »
Sparkman, we certainly are on the same page. I'm certainly not suggesting that my theoretical model can be achieved in a purely conventional sense because we cannot achieve overunity simply by designing an ultra efficient TPU oscillator no matter what the inductor core is made of. I did say in my first post that this model would need gain from another source and suggested the aether. It is postulated by those in the 'free energy' field that when an inductor is in resonance, energy is 'sucked-in' so to speak from the surrounding aether and it's this additional energy that might create an OU scenario. I certainly do not believe that its possible to replicate the 'Mark' device just by wafting a couple of permanent magnets close to a passive coil arrangement and then expect huge power to be available for little or no work done. In my opinion experiments along these lines are simply a waste of time! Getting the Q high is probably an important part of the secret but we also need the additional energy from somewhere and assuming that the 'Mark' device is not just a big wind-up, then the the aether can be the only other source as far as I can see.

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Re: The Transmissionline Oscillator Approach
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2006, 01:15:07 PM »
Hoppy, thanks for the reply
       The aether is certainly a proposed source for the extra gain. Another source might be free ions (which are everywhere) as suggested by "Vortex". With a well designed transmission line, considerable magnification of voltage (not power) can occur, so much so that at resonance, the air is ionized and you can ionize the gas inside a neon lamp four to five inches from the unterminated end with as little as 15 volts drive (at very low current) from your sig gen. The question then, is it possible to convert free ions to usable power by absorbing the extra electron, neutralizing the atom. T.H. Moray said "its not the electrons, it's the ions". I think this is an important clue. Now to develop a structure (probably resonant) that will absorb the ions and provide the extra gain requirement.

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« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2006, 01:36:21 PM »
Sparkman, you raise an interesting possibility here and one a little less exotic than power from the aether. I'm sure that we are in agreement in principle on the way forward. However, this path is potentially dangerous and those not familiar with electricity who are just dabbling with power electronics need to extremely cautious and aware of this danger. Inductors can store huge amounts of power and this can hurt and at worse kill! I believe Stephen Mark was only too well aware of this and it may be that his device cannot be safely harnessed. I think this site should very clearly emphasise this warning so that nobody can claim to be ignorant of this when they start experimenting in this direction.

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