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Author Topic: Graham Gunderson's Energy conference presentation Most impressive and mysterious  (Read 104569 times)

Offline Vortex1

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Spokane1

The beauty of your schematic tells me you not only understand electronics very well, but can communicate your knowledge with a clearly drawn representation.

A good schematic is a work of art for those that can appreciate it.

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The beauty of your schematic tells me you not only understand electronics very well, but can communicate your knowledge with a clearly drawn representation.

A good schematic is a work of art for those that can appreciate it.

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Dear Vortex/ION

Thank you for the drawing complement. Now if we can just fill in all the components that go into those driver boxes.

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Where common sense cuts to the core (no pun intended):

All probe skewing and Clark-Hess glitches aside, I still would have liked to see a $20 "Kill-A-Watt" meter on the AC mains side of his device. With a claimed 5x or more gain in power, surely we could have looked at mains Watts in and Watts out (even guestimating the automobile lamp wattage by brightness) and had a much better reading on the veracity of the claim. Why this was not done speaks volumes.

I find it hard to believe that his main supply and driver circuit would be soaking up so much power that it would mask the gain, and furthermore, if it required such a dissipative circuit in order to work, of what use is it?

 Is anybody getting my drift?

Oh, I get your drift all right.

Look at the statements being used to promote and sell the DVD.   Your Kill-A-Watt meter on the AC mains is designed to tell you the input power "that you paid for", right?

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This year, Graham Gunderson showed the Magnetic Implosion Transformer that he invented and it measured out at 570% more output than the input he paid for!
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As a matter of fact, he can dial the input down until it goes negative,  which means the COP (coefficient of performance) is infinite!  Coefficient is the ratio between desired work done in a system compared  to the work that we have to pay for.
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http://www.energeticforum.com/291117-post1.html

Correct me if I am wrong, but there have been no measurements that I have seen of the "input he paid for",  or rather that somebody has to pay for,  which would be the input from the AC mains to any and all power supplies used to run the device. 


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HHmmm
You would be a ruff guy to work for..."are we there yet"?

Not yet ...gotta get all this business on the front end sorted so we can cut down the "payments"  to the "black box" [where the magic happens]
Apparently that will be the easy part ....if the COP figure holds true ..??



 






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I believe Graham stated his device extracts between 6 to 8 watts of useable power and the COP can be set to infinity by just the twist of a pot.

Keep a look at http://perpetua.green/ for when he begins to post his complete disclosure.

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I believe Graham stated his device extracts between 6 to 8 watts of useable power and the COP can be set to infinity by just the twist of a pot.

Keep a look at http://perpetua.green/ for when he begins to post his complete disclosure.

My computer goes nowhere with that link. Is it just my computer?

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I believe Graham stated his device extracts between 6 to 8 watts of useable power and the COP can be set to infinity by just the twist of a pot.

Keep a look at http://perpetua.green/ for when he begins to post his complete disclosure.

Nothing there???  When will this complete disclosure happen?????

Yes he apparently drove the input to the primary coil into "0 power input" by feedback from the output pushing it into that condition but never demonstrated that the total input power was <0 coming from the wall socket that powered the device.
I can''t read his mind but I don't think that was the purpose of the demonstration.   

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HHmmm
You would be a ruff guy to work for..."are we there yet"?

Not yet ...gotta get all this business on the front end sorted so we can cut down the "payments"  to the "black box" [where the magic happens]
Apparently that will be the easy part ....if the COP figure holds true ..??

Are you missing the point?  The power "that you pay for" is clearly the power that comes from the mains. Does anyone want to argue otherwise?

So what does that make the statements where "570 %" or "infinite COP" is being claimed in order to sell a DVD? 

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My computer goes nowhere with that link. Is it just my computer?

It goes to GoDaddy for the moment.  The site was purchased by Graham for when he decides to devote some time explaining how to "officially" replicate his device.

http://network-tools.com/default.asp?prog=whois&host=perpetua.green

All his contact information is there if folks would like to spam the crap out of him.  I'm pretty sure with enough messages, crank calls and unsolicited visits, he will happily disappear into the ether, then we can go back to law and order.  That's what everyone really wants right?


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Are you missing the point?  The power "that you pay for" is clearly the power that comes from the mains. Does anyone want to argue otherwise?

So what does that make the statements where "570 %" or "infinite COP" is being claimed in order to sell a DVD?

There is a video on youtube somewhere,that shows the meter on the house spinning backwards when the guy uses his arc welder.
Wonder if he is saving money while welding?.


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There is a video on youtube somewhere,that shows the meter on the house spinning backwards when the guy uses his arc welder.
Wonder if he is saving money while welding?.


Brad

Hmm. I wonder if the spinning disk actually would turn the numbers back. Like in a car, the mile indicators cant simply be spun backwards to reduce the appearance of low mileage. Like if that were so that the welder was making the disk spin in the opposite direction, I think that would be a known issue. Maybe if the disk spins backwards the numbers still go forward in situations like this?

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Quote from: TinselKoala on August 07, 2016, 05:28:28 PM
Are you missing the point?  The power "that you pay for" is clearly the power that comes from the mains. Does anyone want to argue otherwise?

So what does that make the statements where "570 %" or "infinite COP" is being claimed in order to sell a DVD?


There is a video on youtube somewhere,that shows the meter on the house spinning backwards when the guy uses his arc welder.
Wonder if he is saving money while welding?.


Brad

Brad do you actually believe the welding machine to be exhibiting OU in that instance ? I think not, I think even though the power meter disk is caused to spin backwards (for some reason) real power is still being consumed by the welding machine.

Which is a point I also made in the past, if a device is causing a huge reactive power content on the AC grid lines then the device is wasting power outside the "black box" so to speak, not correct in my view.

A killa watt meter should be used at the Grid power wall outlet so as to show what the device is causing to happen with the AC lines as far as reactive power goes. If you we being penalised for bad PF then it would cost you. If not being penalised for bad PF then it is costing the power company. I mean if you had to provide several 1000's of VA (without the grid) just so you could run a device with a few watts output you would soon see the losses.

eg. killa watt meter reads 2000 VA but only 20 watts real power delivered, this means a power supply over 2000VA is needed to run a device using only 20 watts, that is very bad design. The power supply losses are related to 2000 VA or more not 20 watts.

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Brad do you actually believe the welding machine to be exhibiting OU in that instance ? I think not, I think even though the power meter disk is caused to spin backwards (for some reason) real power is still being consumed by the welding machine.

Which is a point I also made in the past, if a device is causing a huge reactive power content on the AC grid lines then the device is wasting power outside the "black box" so to speak, not correct in my view.

A killa watt meter should be used at the Grid power wall outlet so as to show what the device is causing to happen with the AC lines as far as reactive power goes. If you we being penalised for bad PF then it would cost you. If not being penalised for bad PF then it is costing the power company. I mean if you had to provide several 1000's of VA (without the grid) just so you could run a device with a few watts output you would soon see the losses.

eg. killa watt meter reads 2000 VA but only 20 watts real power delivered, this means a power supply over 2000VA is needed to run a device using only 20 watts, that is very bad design. The power supply losses are related to 2000 VA or more not 20 watts.

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No,not saying it is OU.
What i am saying is,it is not costing the guy a cent while he is using his arc welder. In fact,he would be saving money,as his meter is going backwards.

Do you know of anyone that has actually measured the power consumption of your everyday arc welder?__can you imagine what those magnetic fields within the transformer must be like when the arc is taking place.

And while on this subject--》why,when the polarity on the output of the welder is swapped,will the welding rod glow red hot,when it is an AC machine?
When welding stainless,you must swap the work lead and ground over,or the welding rod just glows orange hot,and turns into a molten mess. But why?--it is an AC  output,and so it should have no polarity.
Then when you switch back to mild steel rods,you once again have to switch the output polarity back,or the same thing happens to the mild steel rods.
Im sure you have come across this FarmHand.


Brad

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From DC motor to pulsed DC motor and from DC transformer to pulsed DC transformer ,the special "pulse" effect :

                                                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inrush_current


If I have a fixed current can I get "Inrush Voltage" ?
Hybrid ? Inrush Voltage X Inrush current ?
1 Hertz = 2 Pulses


Here an "AC-grid Infeeder" https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=12&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19900104&CC=DE&NR=3821856A1&KC=A1


http://translationportal.epo.org/emtp/translate/?ACTION=description-retrieval&COUNTRY=DE&ENGINE=google&FORMAT=docdb&KIND=A1&LOCALE=en_EP&NUMBER=3821856&OPS=ops.epo.org/3.1&SRCLANG=de&TRGLANG=en

probably also usefull for an "inhouse AC-grid circuit".

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No,not saying it is OU.
What i am saying is,it is not costing the guy a cent while he is using his arc welder. In fact,he would be saving money,as his meter is going backwards.

Do you know of anyone that has actually measured the power consumption of your everyday arc welder?__can you imagine what those magnetic fields within the transformer must be like when the arc is taking place.

And while on this subject--》why,when the polarity on the output of the welder is swapped,will the welding rod glow red hot,when it is an AC machine?
When welding stainless,you must swap the work lead and ground over,or the welding rod just glows orange hot,and turns into a molten mess. But why?--it is an AC  output,and so it should have no polarity.
Then when you switch back to mild steel rods,you once again have to switch the output polarity back,or the same thing happens to the mild steel rods.
Im sure you have come across this FarmHand.


Brad

No I can't explain that issue Brad, I've never had occasion to use stainless rods that I can recall, I've always used MIG or TIG to weld stainless steel and aluminium as far as I can recall. I can recall Arc-Drift problems when using DC welding machines which requires coiling a DC lead around or on the job to stop it, It's a magnetic effect. Maybe your polarity issue is a nuance of that particular machine.

Did you google it ? Might get an explanation that way. Interesting issue.

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