Author Topic: Graham Gunderson's Energy conference presentation Most impressive and mysterious (Read 194860 times)

allcanadian · « **Reply #30 on:** July 13, 2016, 03:52:47 AM »

@Tinman

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Thats fantastic AC--so you have a self running pulse motor then from there informative books instructions?,or perhaps a lockridge device ?.
I guess it comes down to who gives all of what they know for free,and who takes money in trade of informative books that never seem to result in the claims that come along with those books

The question is what can you buy for $30, coffee and a sandwich?, cable tv for a month and 40 channels of shitty reality tv?, another slicer, dicer, peeler that is going to collect dust in a drawer somewhere?. You know I thought about writing a FE book about all the stuff you don't know but it was too much work, it would take way too long and I would have to charge you $200 not $29.99. To be honest it's just not worth my time because it is an incredible amount of work to write a book.

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I am not a critic,i am an experimenter who has built many of the !claimed! self running pulse motors.
It would depend on what you see as !helping! some one. I think those that profit by way of lies,is not some one that helps anyone,and i see those that present there work and findings free of charge,and at there own cost,is some one that helps others.

We are very similar and I have built and experimented with many of the devices in question as well. I learned a great deal and not much came of it until one instance years ago when I put 12v at 1 amp (12 watts) into a device not unlike the ones we are talking about and do you know what happened?. It lit up everything on my bench like a god damn christmas tree, every conductive object within 4 feet started arcing over to every other object with hundreds of 1/8" to 1/2" arcs everywhere, Then my old analog scope not connected to anything and turned off started making loud arcing noises internally, inside the metal case.

So while some have had no luck I have seen many things which scared the hell out of me to be quite honest. How did it happen? don't know, why did it happen?, don't know but I do know it did happen followed by a major melt down and that is all the proof I need. Now in the last year everything seems to be really coming together and to think it all started by stumbling onto some crackpot website so many years ago which was Peter Lindemann's by the way. It has been one hell of a journey and well worth the wait in my opinion.

My advice, slow down and have fun with it and don't take anything for granted... enjoy the ride. I have always had the most unexpected things happen when I was just curious and having fun and didn't expect anything to happen. On a side note, most have literally no idea what they are dealing with and if you ever get it just right you had better have a plan B, like a dead man's switch or two because shit happens.

AC

EMJunkie · « **Reply #31 on:** July 13, 2016, 03:55:42 AM »

Quote from: ramset on July 13, 2016, 12:27:11 AM

Chris
All I ask is that you not turn this thread into a Machinegun posting combat Zone.
you have a right to your opinions But that is all .

here I would welcome any and all respectful investigation into Grahams Claims ,which I believe he welcomes whole heartedly!

Tinsel is a scientist not a politician ,here we need the former not the latter , I'm not interested in adopting him or Dating him, But I do have great respect for his knowledge , there are very few people on this planet who have his life experience investigating these type of claims.

and even fewer willing to roll up their sleeves and offer help when it is needed .

IMO it is not possible to Stifle proper scientific investigations at this forum, the thirst is too great.

In this case there is no secret handshake club, Graham has said he will be open sourcing this .
he seems a great citizen of the planet a wonderful fellow and is held in high regard by his peers.

we need more of that.....

respectfully

Chet K

Nice Post Chet!

I agree and will do the best I can to keep the Douching of others, that Shoot Down these devices, and the efforts showing them, with VERY expensive Measurement Equipment, used by a very highly skilled person, to a minimum!

Ok, so, Scientifically, what do we know.

1: Input Winding appears to be 10, 12, 10, 12, 10, 12, possibly only 6 layers, of Litz Wire, about AWG 2 (6.54304 mm) @ approx 0.512664 Ohms per KM.

2: Output Coils consist of 4 Strands of Litz wire, each wound side by side, in a step winding configuration, Almost Bank Winding. Each set of winding's is divided into two parts. Each set of windings appear to be wound CW/CCW relative to the Core.

3: Output is DC, Rectified, via a circuit arrangement of possible 30 odd components.

4: Pulsed DC is the Input. As Reiyuki points out, about 33% 33% 33%

5: Permanent Magnets are arranged on the Device, thought to Bias, or partially saturate at least one half of the U Cores used.

6: U Cores are a Ferrite Material, apparently each has a different value of Permeability. No specifics that I know about have been shared as yet. (The below product guide, has an AL range from: 2300 to: 8700 (nH measured in combination with another ungapped core half))

7: U Core appears to be approximately square, a product selection guide can be found here: Ferroxcube, the largest U Core in this document is in the Picture below: (Which is about right, I have some magnets the same here (25 x 40 x 10) and they would fit about the same on the Core)

All in all, what’s the Key concept here? Time Rate of Change of the Magnetic Flux, and the second key point is there are Two Output Coils, arranged specifically in separate space on the second half of the U Core. Electricity is the end result of Electromagnetic Induction, time rate of change, where in the Input Coil is the Prime Mover, which is mostly or completely unaffected by the Drawing of Current on the Output.

Chris Sykes
hyiq.org

EMJunkie · « **Reply #32 on:** July 13, 2016, 04:12:59 AM »

Quote from: allcanadian on July 13, 2016, 03:52:47 AM

@Tinman

The question is what can you buy for $30, coffee and a sandwich?, cable tv for a month and 40 channels of shitty reality tv?, another slicer, dicer, peeler that is going to collect dust in a drawer somewhere?. You know I thought about writing a FE book about all the stuff you don't know but it was too much work, it would take way too long and I would have to charge you $200 not $29.99. To be honest it's just not worth my time because it is an incredible amount of work to write a book.

We are very similar and I have built and experimented with many of the devices in question as well. I learned a great deal and not much came of it until one instance years ago when I put 12v at 1 amp (12 watts) into a device not unlike the ones we are talking about and do you know what happened?. It lit up everything on my bench like a god damn christmas tree, every conductive object within 4 feet started arcing over to every other object with hundreds of 1/8" to 1/2" arcs everywhere, Then my old analog scope not connected to anything and turned off started making loud arcing noises internally, inside the metal case.

So while some have had no luck I have seen many things which scared the hell out of me to be quite honest. How did it happen? don't know, why did it happen?, don't know but I do know it did happen followed by a major melt down and that is all the proof I need. Now in the last year everything seems to be really coming together and to think it all started by stumbling onto some crackpot website so many years ago which was Peter Lindemann's by the way. It has been one hell of a journey and well worth the wait in my opinion.

My advice, slow down and have fun with it and don't take anything for granted... enjoy the ride. I have always had the most unexpected things happen when I was just curious and having fun and didn't expect anything to happen. On a side note, most have literally no idea what they are dealing with and if you ever get it just right you had better have a plan B, like a dead man's switch or two because shit happens.

AC

Hahaha Yes... 3 feet away, If I use DC I can shut down my laptop, luckily I have not yet destroyed it...

I prefer not to use DC these days.

Chris Sykes
hyiq.org

EMJunkie · « **Reply #33 on:** July 14, 2016, 04:07:48 AM »

Thanks to Reiyuki's awesome documentation efforts, and for others out there interested, I have done some ID'ing on the IC's

I believe all the Opto's are the same, as the surrounding circuitry is the same. Some appears to be redundant, I may be wrong however.

Red Circles: NEC PS 2505
Green Circle: IXDD614PI
Blue Circle: IL710
Yellow Circle: 74AC14PCX

Please check for yourself, I am not 100% sure on all of them, if is very close if I have not got it spot on.

The Output Caps:
3 x Felsic Aluminum Electrolytic Screw Capacitor 2200µF 350Vcc
2 x Kemet Arcotronics AV MKP C4BTHBX5100Z_L_ Style A 10uf 600V

This is a lot of ciruitry for Synchronous Rectification, Texas Instrunemts has a good doc on this, that is, if this is what Graham is doing?

I hope this helps others that are interested in this!!!

Maybe TK or Chet you like to have a bit of a go at the Circuit? We have scope shots!!!

Chris Sykes
hyiq.org

EMJunkie · « **Reply #34 on:** July 14, 2016, 04:23:01 AM »

Anyone else other than the normal few, up for some serious Pro-Active Forum Hard Work?

Chris Sykes
hyiq.org

EMJunkie · « **Reply #35 on:** July 14, 2016, 07:14:58 AM »

Relative to the Core, each of Grahams Secondary Coils are wound as I have shown.

One Coil is Clock Wise, the other is Counter Clock Wise.

Chris Sykes
hyiq.org

EMJunkie · « **Reply #36 on:** July 14, 2016, 09:07:19 AM »

The Output Circuit:

Chris Sykes
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P.S: Of course I should have drawn a Common U Core for both sets of Coils. Ferrite, I think is a Dashed Double Line from memory isnt it? Correction made.

EMJunkie · « **Reply #37 on:** July 14, 2016, 09:09:04 AM »

Approximately 2 years ago, I posted this Circuit, in my pdf document, to this, and another (Doggy) forum:

Chris Sykes
hyiq.org

ramset · « **Reply #38 on:** July 14, 2016, 12:20:06 PM »

Reiyuki posted his block schematic interpretation of the Device below.

member K4zep has joined in
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/20199-energy-conference-graham-gunderson.html

he is an excellent builder and experimenter .

Reiyuki · « **Reply #39 on:** July 14, 2016, 05:52:47 PM »

Looks like someone found Graham Gunderson's blog as well, and a circuit that looks like an earlier evolution of the 'interrupted synchronous rectifier' portion.

https://electropub.wordpress.com/2012/05/21/non-linear-load-using-mosfets/

I'd suggest people curious read through the various posts to get an understanding of his theory and process rather than my interpretation of it.

EMJunkie · « **Reply #40 on:** July 14, 2016, 09:45:53 PM »

Thanks Chet, Reiyuki!

Thats exactly right, Facts remain facts. Will never change!

Please read the entire article, here is a snippett:

Quote from: Graham Gunderson Non Linear Load using Mosfets

Here’s a circuit that can be placed in series with a resistive load to make it “nonlinear”, and suitable as a load for a MEG.

...

This is allegedly necessary for COP>1 operation in a MEG.

...

In the MEG device, the flux from the permanent magnet alternates between the two leg paths, representing more oscillating energy than the drive coils are providing.

How much work did Graham Gunderson really do with the MEG before 2012? Obviously a LOT!!!

Chris Sykes
hyiq.org

P.S: Its worth noting, this is NOT what Graham is currently using, it is more like a variant of these ideas.

EMJunkie · « **Reply #41 on:** July 14, 2016, 11:10:52 PM »

Yes, I cant help myself. Sorry.

I want to point out the fact that I also posted the Input circuit, LC Resonant at the same time I posted the output Circuit. I have used both Series and Parallel Resonant and even a combination of both... Also posted approximately 2 years ago.

The only difference, is Graham has a Relax Period where he switches off his input.

Chet, what did I say to you?

That you will see the exact same principles I have brought to this forum for ever after? Somehing like this?

Chris Sykes
hyiq.org

P.S: This just might be one of the biggest "I Told You Só" ever? Just how is it that Graham is showing, nearly the exact same thing, same principles, I have shown for years?

EMJunkie · « **Reply #42 on:** July 14, 2016, 11:45:34 PM »

I think it is really important that everyone does not forget that these Systems have worked and do work today with none of the complicated Switching that Graham has shown!!!

AC Systems do work, as has been stated by so many in the past!!!

We are very lucky to have Graham share his device, along with his VERY Expensive measurement equipment and his expertese on how to use this equipment!!!

Thank you Graham.

Thank You Reiyuki for your awesome documetation efforts and sharing your imformation!!!

Chris Sykes
hyiq.org

FatBird · « **Reply #43 on:** July 15, 2016, 12:32:21 AM »

I wouldn't touch that with a 10 FOOT POLE. It looks too much like
Daniel Poperlou's circuit. Yeah, Daniel's circuit lights a light bulb, BUT
do you really think you can Duplicate his Rat Nest? LOL

http://overunity.com/393/daniel-pomerlou-demonstrates-free-energy/#.V4gQqtQrKHs

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EMJunkie · « **Reply #44 on:** July 15, 2016, 12:47:56 AM »

Quote from: FatBird on July 15, 2016, 12:32:21 AM

I wouldn't touch that with a 10 FOOT POLE. It looks too much like
Daniel Poperlou's circuit. Yeah, Daniel's circuit lights a light bulb, BUT
do you really think you can Duplicate his Rat Nest? LOL

http://overunity.com/393/daniel-pomerlou-demonstrates-free-energy/#.V4gQqtQrKHs

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I just cant help think Daniel was trying to tell us somehing so very much more important than how a device looked...

He did say that Women could do this better than men, because they could feel it, use intuition better than Men...

Diakoptics:

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In systems analysis, Diakoptics (Greek dia–through + kopto–cut,tear) or the "Method of Tearing" involves breaking a (usually physical) problem down into subproblems which can be solved independently before being joined back together to obtain an exact solution to the whole problem. The term was introduced by Gabriel Kron in a series "Diakoptics — The Piecewise Solution of Large-Scale Systems" published in London, England by The Electrical Journal between June 7, 1957 and February 1959. The twenty-one installments were collected and published as a book of the same title in 1963. The term diakoptics was coined by Philip Stanley of the Union College Department of Philosophy

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