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Author Topic: Graham Gunderson's Energy conference presentation Most impressive and mysterious  (Read 106283 times)

Offline k4zep

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Has anyone read this book ?

http://grahamgunderson.com/ou/

Maybe it contains a basic philosophy how to proceed, and perhaps the basic circuit, as it seems to claim in the advert.

Note: "Details on how to replicate"

Comes with a 100% money back guarantee if not satisfied. How can you lose.

It is one of a collection of books being sold at: http://johnbedini.net/

I realize current printing is from the conference last year, but will probably be revised soon to include the  most recent conference.

Is this his demo from last year, or the latest?????

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K4zep
That is last years conference review from the Host of said conference and supporting "for sale" marketing literature.
I believe The attached Graham Gunderson address is part of the whole marketing "package" for that Group and their
agreement with speakers.

to summarize ,I don't believe the Device being investigated here or its schematic share much in common with the 2015
conference claim , some have said that proper validation of the 2015 conference claim is in question and within the margin of error for such claims.

However
the device and claim being investigated in this thread is well outside that margin of error and needs the due diligence being proposed here so as to rule out measurement error or "other" and help qualify this very bold claim.




respectfully
Chet K

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K4zep
** sorry I was still chiseling on the keyboard [adding more comment]as you posted below



 






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K4zep
That is last years conference review from the Host of said conference and supporting "for sale" marketing literature.
I believe The attached Graham Gunderson address is part of the whole marketing "package" for that Group and their
agreement with speakers.



respectfully
Chet K

Thanks Chet,

Waiting on the new DVD!

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Offline Vortex1

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Is this his demo from last year, or the latest? ??? ?

Ben K4ZEP

As Chet said it is last years conference entry on G.G.'s "OU Transformer" and book with same title. The link  directly points to Graham's website which has no information about the transformer except a link to the book sale despite it also having  the heading "Advanced Magnetic Research & Development".  I remember tooling around this website last year after the first conference and disclosure, and the content there is the same.

grahamgunderson.com

and

grahamgunderson.com/ou

 

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K4zep
That is last years conference review from the Host of said conference and supporting "for sale" marketing literature.
I believe The attached Graham Gunderson address is part of the whole marketing "package" for that Group and their
agreement with speakers.

to summarize ,I don't believe the Device being investigated here or its schematic share much in common with the 2015
conference claim , some have said that proper validation of the 2015 conference claim is in question and within the margin of error for such claims.

However
the device and claim being investigated in this thread is well outside that margin of error and needs the due diligence being proposed here so as to rule out measurement error or "other" and help qualify this very bold claim.




respectfully
Chet K

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K4zep
** sorry I was still chiseling on the keyboard [adding more comment]as you posted below

Agree and that's what we are slowly doing.

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It is pretty clear that is what he was trying to do.

Therefore input power is measured after the H-Bridge.

Measuring before the H-Bridge is like saying one needs to measure the AC power feeding their bench DC power supply when it is supplying DC power to a DUT. Which of course makes no sense.

Here is my take on it FWIW

If we are only looking at the efficiency of the transformer it self,then we only need to calculate the power being delivered to the transformer,and the power delivered to the load by the transformer.

If we are to decide on whether or not the transformer is OU,and can be looped to be a self runner,and produce excess energy to also run a load,then we would have to include all the components to do so,as they are all required in order to produce the OU effect of the transformer it self.

There is no point in trying to measure the top speed of a car,when it has no wheels.


Brad

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Agreed,

If GG wants to loop his transformer in its present configuration, it will have to have enough excess power to not only supply a load, but the H-Bridge, logic, and synchronous diode circuits as well.

Now, is TK going to blow a gate?  ???

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to summarize ,I don't believe the Device being investigated here or its schematic share much in common with the 2015
conference claim , some have said that proper validation of the 2015 conference claim is in question and within the margin of error for such claims.

respectfully
Chet K

Dear All,

At the conference Graham specifically told me that this technology is vastly different than the approach employed for last year's (2015) presentation. When looking at the active element (transformer) and the support subassemblies I would have to agree.

I don't believe there is much to be gained by going back and reviewing last years work. However, you could review the DVD and get a feel for his measurement mythology.

Spokane1

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Agreed,

If GG wants to loop his transformer in its present configuration, it will have to have enough excess power to not only supply a load, but the H-Bridge, logic, and synchronous diode circuits as well.

Now, is TK going to blow a gate?  ???

Well, with an infinite COP (0.000 Watts input, 10 Watts output) or even just 50 to 1,  that should be easy to do, don't you think?    :P

Of course if that "0.000 Watts input" reading was obtained by simply disconnecting the Current monitor side of the input C-H, it may not be so easy.

(It appears to me that the instrument was set to "Auto Range" inputs. So it should not be a surprise that it was constantly trying to change ranges if the "input" signal was fluctuating or spiky. The cure for this is not to disconnect the instrument, but rather to select a higher, fixed range setting on the input side.)


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Here is my take on it FWIW

If we are only looking at the efficiency of the transformer it self,then we only need to calculate the power being delivered to the transformer,and the power delivered to the load by the transformer.

If we are to decide on whether or not the transformer is OU,and can be looped to be a self runner,and produce excess energy to also run a load,then we would have to include all the components to do so,as they are all required in order to produce the OU effect of the transformer it self.

There is no point in trying to measure the top speed of a car,when it has no wheels.


Brad

But.... in Gunderson's demonstration, isn't the "output power" measured at the bulb, rather than at the output of the transformer? The transformer output, as I understand it, is being fed through the synchronous rectifier and into a large capacitor bank before it reaches the bulb.

So how's this: If you want to only include the power at the transformer input as "input"... then let's just only include the power directly at the transformer output as "output". Fair enough?  Just disconnect everything downstream of the transformer output itself and measure the output power directly at that point. This will eliminate any possible contributions to the output measurement that may come from the synchronous diode arrangement and its power supply, pre-charged capacitors, etc.

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All,

I'm treating this as simply a R&D adventure.  Going to build what I can, knowing what I know
and try to find the "source" of the energy if there is one and the go from there.  With my junk box,
my power supplies, etc, investing maybe $150. bucks.  I'm sure I'll let some expensive smoke out
of some little innocent parts but that's the way I learn.  We have a lot of clues, pictures, advice,
enough to give it a shot!

We can talk till the cows come home exploring the finer points of instrumentation but until we
have a "best guess device" to experiment with, we are "as we say in the south, running around, making a lot of noise and throwing
dust in the air" or really doing nothing.

There are those that "do" and there are those that BS, I'm in the "do" group. We have a lot of "doers" here, it will be interesting.
If I don't find anything, so what?  If I don't find anything, can't find that elusive source of power, been there done that before.

Ben K4ZEP

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Hello,

I am studding this kind of setups for quite a while and here one possible explanation how such system could work.

I hope that it will be interesting for someone.

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Hello,

I am studding this kind of setups for quite a while and here one possible explanation how such system could work.

I hope that it will be interesting for someone.

Nice paper and Cyril Smith will be pleased to know his work is referenced in the paper.

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Hello,

I am studding this kind of setups for quite a while and here one possible explanation how such system could work.

I hope that it will be interesting for someone.

I will study this with much interest!!!!!

Ben K4ZEP

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@ Vasik
seems almost a lifetime of investigation ?, and a very simple concept .

have you started a thread here for this work / investigation ?[

@K4ZEP
thanks for jumping into the pool , personally for me...your intuition and life experience do carry a lot of weight and I don't take your decision as kneejerk ,I also know you have a great respect and appreciation for Graham and his work.

I must add ..the "friction" and input that comes with investigating a claim like this will be both beneficial and frustrating at times
...for all involved !

and I do appreciate the Efforts of Men like Poynt , Vortex 1 and others who also hunt and help to hunt this elusive beast ...


Thanks again for your contributions !

I think I hear more splashes...

respectfully
Chet
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I type at a snails pace and see others have commented...
and I obviously agree  ;D






 

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