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Author Topic: Graham Gunderson's Energy conference presentation Most impressive and mysterious  (Read 109096 times)

Offline tinman

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The big problem with replication is going to be getting the high permittivity "C" cores. Graham believes that they are no longer available commercially, however if money were available (say $5K) a custom lot could be contracted for. So if you have any of they "fossils" laying around you had better hang on to them.

Yep,there is always a problem  :D

Brad

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Sorry EM, I thought something similar, but they're all simply paralleled to maximize L and minmize C  (RF inductor).   No bucking coils.


The primary mode of operation of this one has a lot more to do with inductane/permeability/saturation.




Can you see that? Can you?

Yes, that is 2 Sets of 3 Coils, each, on the Output!!!

I wonder what this means???

Yes, I am right again, TK your are wrong, youre on the wrong side old mate, its Partnered Output Coils!!!


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Reiyuki


Are the core specs, manufacturer or part numbers available ?



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Reiyuki

Are the core specs, manufacturer or part numbers available ?

Chet


  That exact core I believe was a one-off surplus order from waybackwhen, so a 100% duplication of everything is probably out.  The primary was wound around a high permeability ferrite, the secondary around a lower permeability ferrite, and from the pics you should get a good idea on sizing.  He was very specific that they were different permeability.  Put together, it looks like a UI core, except the I is high perm and the U is low perm.     That row of magnets sitting above he said were spaced to partially saturate the high perm core, and you could see that ring of ceramic magnets all pointing in around the ferrite (with some air gap).


  Maybe someone can do the math on flux interactions between two cores with different BH curves and differing saturation?  He certainly thought this was an important factor.


  I only wrote down a few component #'s, but the circuits bear incredible similarities with a lot of the TK/Kapagen circuits, where you have a resonant tank that is pulsed with HV at a precise part of the cycle.  Anyone already working on those is going to have an advantage in duplicating.  The big pain of course is designing circuits that can get clean sharp precisely timed HV pulses without smoking MOSFETs.


  Graham's got a day job and probably has some internal conflict between figuring out the operating principles of the system and sharing what he's already got, so it might be a while before we get much more detail from him.  I will do best I can to present what has been presented to me.

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Hi Reiyuki,

I wonder if Graham has thought of using an off the shelf DC-DC converter to loop the output or part of the output back to the input? Because at such a high COP measured, it would be very easy to loop and the doubting people could get some headache then to find "the trick"...

Another thing: do you know who was the special presenter and what was her or his topic? (The name has not been given on the conference site at the start.)

Also, what did Peter Lindemann and Bedini talk about? They were also listed among the speakers, but no topic was given, at least I have not noticed it.

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I can see it all now.[/size]Arron the rookie,and Peter the Lumbermann,with the new !book of transformer secrets!--only $29.95--coming to a store near you,or purchase it direct as a PDF.Go on the new easy credit plan,where you pay 100% down,and nothing more to pay each month For a limited time only,get a copy of electric motor secret's with every purchase of transformer secret's--absolutely free.


In some sense I would agree however if by popularizing these concepts it inspired someone to act who then succeeded then they have in effect succeeded. No offense but I read one of their books a long time ago and it was quite informative much more so than most any of your actual posts. In fact it may be a small price to pay to have information presented in a professional manner without having to wade through all the nonsensical, irrelevant, self-defeating BS posts we see here.


The fact is most of the critics here who get off on criticism are not helping anyone other than themselves. We need relevant information yes but we also need inspiration which is the impetus or the cause for us to act which is the reason we may succeed. If we are not inspired to succeed we won't. Inspiration is where we find it ... key word "we".




AC

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@allcanadian  Excellent commentary....

"The fact is most of the critics here who get off on criticism are not helping anyone other than themselves. We need relevant information yes but we also need inspiration which is the impetus or the cause for us to act which is the reason we may succeed. If we are not inspired to succeed we won't. Inspiration is where we find it ... key word "we". "



As I was reminded from somebody just the morning  "There is nothing new under the sun".  Innovation is inspired by re-membering.  Tesla dreamed it in to existence.  His imagination ran wild.  I  encourage everybody to have their own "AH HA" moments. KNOW that it is stirring around in there somewhere.  The world could use a real paradigm shift like Tesla gave us.  So to everybody that encourages and INSPIRES people to "Question Everything"  I commend you.  KEEP UP THE GOOD CAUSE, IT Will BE WORTH IT IN THE END!

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Hi Reiyuki,

I wonder if Graham has thought of using an off the shelf DC-DC converter to loop the output or part of the output back to the input? Because at such a high COP measured, it would be very easy to loop and the doubting people could get some headache then to find "the trick"...

Another thing: do you know who was the special presenter and what was her or his topic? (The name has not been given on the conference site at the start.)

Also, what did Peter Lindemann and Bedini talk about? They were also listed among the speakers, but no topic was given, at least I have not noticed it.

Thanks,  Gyula


  Graham said he had the idea in November and essentially constructed what you saw from a set of other failed experiments, so despite the professional appearance, the elements are all cobbled together.  He joked that all of his successes had been from accidents, and that whenever he had a thought or theory and tried to put it to experiment, it wouldn't work.  Basically, what you see is proof-of-principle and will probably lose many components as it gets streamlined and the process gets better understood.  I dunno why he didn't try to loop it,  maybe that's the next thing he'll test.  It makes sense that when you have something cool, you don't want to risk making changes and smoking it just before you're scheduled to present.


  Lindermann went over the EV gray motor, bedini's original Kromrey converter, and strayed off in a few other directions, as he tends to do.  Off-stage, the guy's a Macgyver with little bits of knowledge in what seems like every field.

  Bedini went over the 'zero-force motor' he brought over, but much of the talk was about his work with the Rife machine, the history of it all, and operating details.   If you've ever heard him, he talks a lot about the recent history of everything and the people involved as much as he talks about actual systems.

  Eric Dollard's presentation was something of a continuation on the first few, talking about the mathematics and concepts behind dielectric/magnetic propagation.  It'll probably be years before any of us understand enough of it to start applying it to our devices.

  The 'special' sunday presentation I believe was Lindermann's talk.  It's all a bit of a blur by now, as the entire event felt like 2 months compressed into 3 days.   You get so many ideas for future experiments and setups, and if nothing else, I got enough ideas to keep me busy for the next decade.

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The 'special' sunday presentation I believe was Lindermann's talk.  It's all a bit of a blur by now, as the entire event felt like 2 months compressed into 3 days.   You get so many ideas for future experiments and setups, and if nothing else, I got enough ideas to keep me busy for the next decade.


The true value is in the idea and one million failures cannot offset one success as one success shared among others may lead to billions of other people succeeding and new idea's. One cannot buy genuine inspiration because it has no price, one cannot barter a dream because they are not for sale. In effect you have gained something the critics can never have... inspiration, creativity and the desire to succeed. Never look back and do not listen to voices creeping about in the shadows saying it cannot be done...they are generally mistaken.


AC

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Sorry EM, I thought something similar, but they're all simply paralleled to maximize L and minmize C  (RF inductor).   No bucking coils.


The primary mode of operation of this one has a lot more to do with inductane/permeability/saturation.



Hey R - What do two separate Coils do, when carrying Current, separately on a single core?

Each Field, the Current Flowing in the Coil, Oppose each other.

Sorry R, but as soon as these coils Carry a Current, the Fields will automatically Oppose each other!

The Primary Coil determines the Time Rate of Change of the Flux, each end having a Pole Specific Polarity... The rest is simply follow the dots...

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Technically, there is acually four fields, two from each coil, so it depends on what field you are talking about also...



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Graham seems a genuinely good fellow trying to do the right thing, he most definitely leaves a lasting impression on the people he meets and is looking to share his work.

It would be nice if we just make the focus here on Graham and his efforts ..
and leave the combat for another place.

we don't seem to lack for those places around here !

and to add
Tinsels Input is totally welcomed and appreciated here, he shows up with his sleeves rolled up and tools in hand ready to Help.
the world needs more men Like Tinsel.

Here [In Graham's case] , No one is trying to hide from good measurement protocol
actually a good experimenter/scientist ALWAYS runs too the metrologist
Not Shuns....

Life is too short and precious to behave any other way.

respectfully
Chet



I totally dissagree - If we all sucked up to the very people that kill all genuine hope and destroy good honest efforts, from others showing important work, then the evil in this world will rule forever!!!

The Great Crusades, the American Civil War, the list is endless, all where each party had to fight for eaches own cause!

So, unless youre a Couch Potato, unwilling to make a Difference, unwilling to Do Your Part, in the future of yours and others Children, then youre a defector and you know what the penalty was for that!

All I ask anyone is to simply do their bit!!! Do it with an open mind, with already know basic knowledge of Electrical Energy "Generation" principles!!!

Playing happy familys, when the family pet is rabid will not end well.


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I can see it all now.
Arron the rookie,and Peter the Lumbermann,with the new !book of transformer secrets!--only $29.95--coming to a store near you,or purchase it direct as a PDF.
Go on the new easy credit plan,where you pay 100% down,and nothing more to pay each month ;)

For a limited time only,get a copy of electric motor secret's with every purchase of transformer secret's--absolutely free.

But wait--there's more.
For a limited time only--more limited than the last limited time offer--get your free copy of pulse motor secrets.

We regret to inform,that at this point in time,due to large sale numbers,we have ran out of free steak knives,but get in early,and we'll throw in a few wooden spoons as well-along with a free full size wall poster of Arron posing on his motor cycle,wearing only his fake leather jacket.  :P


Brad


Tinman, I am in agreeance...

I wish to point out, I have never ever, sold material, asked for money or anything of the like.

Infact, on a few ocasions, I have turned down offers of Money. I dont need it.

If you were implying, or heading in a direction where, you thought I was in any way linked to any of those guys you mentioned, I most certianly am not!!!

I fly Solo, I have never had any backing, any affilation to any other company/organisation other than my own.


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@Reiyuki

The true value is in the idea and one million failures cannot offset one success as one success shared among others may lead to billions of other people succeeding and new idea's. One cannot buy genuine inspiration because it has no price, one cannot barter a dream because they are not for sale. In effect you have gained something the critics can never have... inspiration, creativity and the desire to succeed. Never look back and do not listen to voices creeping about in the shadows saying it cannot be done...they are generally mistaken.


AC


Here Here!!! As always, very nicely worded!!!

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Offline ramset

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Chris
All I ask is that you not turn this thread into a Machinegun posting combat Zone.
you have a right to your opinions But that is all .

here I would welcome any and all respectful investigation into Grahams Claims ,which I believe he welcomes whole heartedly!

Tinsel is a scientist not a politician ,here we need the former not the latter , I'm not interested in adopting him or Dating him, But I do have great respect for his knowledge , there are very few people on this planet who have his life experience investigating these type of claims.

and even fewer willing to roll up their sleeves and offer help when it is needed .

IMO it is not possible to Stifle  proper scientific investigations at this forum, the thirst is too great.

In this case there is no secret handshake club, Graham has said he will be open sourcing this .
he seems a great citizen of the planet a wonderful fellow and is held in high regard by his peers.

we need more of that.....

respectfully

Chet K


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No offense but I read one of their books a long time ago and it was quite informative much more so than most any of your actual posts
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Thats fantastic AC--so you have a self running pulse motor then from there informative books instructions?,or perhaps a lockridge device ?.

I guess it comes down to who gives all of what they know for free,and who takes money in trade of informative books that never seem to result in the claims that come along with those books ;)

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The fact is most of the critics here who get off on criticism are not helping anyone other than themselves.

I am not a critic,i am an experimenter who has built many of the !claimed! self running pulse motors.
It would depend on what you see as !helping! some one. I think those that profit by way of lies,is not some one that helps anyone,and i see those that present there work and findings free of charge,and at there own cost,is some one that helps others.

Brad

 

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