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Author Topic: Graham Gunderson's Energy conference presentation Most impressive and mysterious  (Read 115698 times)

Offline poynt99

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TK,

I have no issue with Gunderson measuring his Pin after the H-bridge. I think we can cut him some slack here, as obviously the transformer gadget is the DUT. It just requires a particular input wave form.

If the transformer itself is measured to have a COP>1 that is all that counts, right?

If you had a DUT that required a square wave input, you would measure the output power of your FG, not its AC input, agreed?

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Furthermore--- the Clarke-Hess power analyzers with which I am familiar require several connections to a circuit in order to monitor it properly. To monitor Voltage the instrument is connected like any DMM, across the supply. To monitor Current the instrument is patched _in series_ with the supply and circuit being monitored. Obviously to compute a Power reading both connections must be made.

Here's a photo that you might remember, .99. It shows my (borrowed) C-H analyzer, with its patch connections, measuring the input power to a certain circuit of mine which is out of view above the instrument. Note the negative power reading.

I can haz cheezburger now?

Indeed, there goes the 8-10" of wire connection. I also noticed that Graham had the measurement wiring threading a couple of toroid cores.

Attached is the photo showing the load meter. The voltage side is connected, but the current side appears to be bypassed in this photo. Alas, that is a lot of extra wiring and will introduce a fair bit of parasitic inductance.

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My 2 X 4 worlds smallest lab is a mess right now due to finishing up a high end R/C sailplane, but will spend the day cleaning it up,
getting a good sig. gen. out of storage, drag out my power supplies and variac, proto board, Opto Isolater, find a good FET in my junk box,
and I might have some results in a day or two. Due to my limited space, building anything requires removing everything else and setting up what I need for the particular experiment.  A Chinese fire drill!

It's quite amazing what you've been able to do over the years in your 2x4 lab Ben. Makes me smile :)  each time I see one of your videos


BTW, do you remember what caused that hash spike or ringing at the start of the "rest" period?  Diode (in FET)/switching transient, etc?

Sorry I don't know. BTW, I not claiming there,s anything special to the waveform I've produce other then it looks much like Graham's

All the best in your experiments

Luc

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I can haz cheezburger now?

Dear TinselKoala,

Graham never once during the presentation, or any time after, claimed to have an OU device. He only presented the fasts as he observed them.

It is I who made the OU assertion when I first started to report on this subject on 7/12/2016. I take full responsibility for possibly miss-representing the true performance of this technology or making any OU statements in the first place.


Your obvious professional expertise in this kind of review is the sort of test that this emergent technology will have to face when this device enters the university standards lab. (give it a year if there are no buyers) I appreciate your observations and comments about the numerous measurement details and potential flaws that you see in this apparatus.

I hope you stick around and keep those spot on observations coming. It will make me pay much closer attention to where and how instruments are connected - especially for documentation. Graham is a measurement freak. You and he could probably talk some pretty heavy shop talk - if he wasn't so wrapped up in this new love affair.

From my applied engineering experience, I figure that the high observed COP's (which may be off somewhat) will provide plenty of head room to cover the losses going to FET drivers and associated house keeping functions. I don't vision this particular device as becoming a commercial product. I see it as a way to possibly understand a new physics that will unlock the secrets of the Gray technology - since the two are very close in my opinion.

If and when we reconstruct a machine that will deliver 7.5 kW (10 HP) at a COP of 282 then discussions of where the power analyzer makes its connections, or accounting for FET driver losses in the measurements will become trivial footnotes. However, I agree these issues are important at this stage.

This is why I'm going full steam in a reproduction and documentation attempt to crack this nut. It probably will not achieve anything at all, but it might, just might provide one missing key for me to advance a truly powerful lost technology.

Spokane1

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I can haz cheezburger now?

I'll gladly buy you that Cheese Burger if you make out to Spokane some time. My favorite is the Wendy's #2 with Blue Cheese crumbles.

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I'll gladly buy you that Cheese Burger if you make out to Spokane some time. My favorite is the Wendy's #2 with Blue Cheese crumbles.

OMGyou have managed to cause salivation at a distance of 3000+ miles!!

 :)

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It's quite amazing what you've been able to do over the years in your 2x4 lab Ben. Makes me smile :)  each time I see one of your videos


Sorry I don't know. BTW, I not claiming there,s anything special to the waveform I've produce other then it looks much like Graham's

All the best in your experiments



Luc

Thanks Luc,

I still manage to loose stuff while working! Like where did I put that "special" resistor, etc. :)
However I do like the simplicity of your circuit!!!!

I personally like a "Whopper" heavy everything!!!!

Thanks
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Offline ramset

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Gents
Some clarity on TK's happy meal ,"I Has cheeseburger ??"

In the gentlemans bet department ...

We bet with fast food on ultimate outcomes,

 I think I owe Tinsel a small boxcars worth of Cheeseburgers at this point.
But the answer to that "I has cheeseburger??"

NOT YET !!

Havent even fired up the griddle on this one yet Tinsel.....


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Did someone mention "Cheeseburger".  I know things are really getting serious when I see that.  I can't do anything about this build but I am watching with great interest.  The people working here are some of the best on this forum.  I think it is a simple miss measurement personally but you guys will find out.  I have known some of you for years and the truth to this invention will come out  one way or another.  Cheeseburgers all around for the good effort.  :D
--Rusty

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TK,

I have no issue with Gunderson measuring his Pin after the H-bridge. I think we can cut him some slack here, as obviously the transformer gadget is the DUT. It just requires a particular input wave form.

If the transformer itself is measured to have a COP>1 that is all that counts, right?

If you had a DUT that required a square wave input, you would measure the output power of your FG, not its AC input, agreed?

It depends. If the FG was only providing a clock input then it might be acceptable to measure only its power output. But in this case the H-bridge is providing the power to the transformer, and as such is a critical part of the device. OK, I'll accept that you can ignore the timing input to the H-bridge, but you cannot ignore the input of power that is being switched by the bridge.
 
I've obviously encountered this issue before, and I've built oscillator-driver circuits that are powered by the overall power supply to the DUT, or even from the bank of batteries that the DUT is supposed to be charging (hence "output")  so that there is no question about where the power is coming from.
 
I say again, if a component or subsystem is necessary for the device to operate, the power supplied to those components or subsystems must be included in the "input power" of the device. For a simple square wave clock signal, obviously what is generating this signal could be a mains powered FG, or it could be replaced with an oscillator-driver that is powered from the DUT's own power supply or even its output power. But in this case the H-bridge is supplying power to the transformer over the link where a measurement of "0.000 Watts" has been quoted, yet the device keeps running, and this link cannot be broken if the device is to keep on running. Hence the H-bridge is a critical component of the DUT and its input power must be included in the COP calculation.

OK, I will allow the power to the _clock_ signal generator for the H-bridge to be ignored, but not the power that is being switched by the H-bridge, this must be included.


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I'll gladly buy you that Cheese Burger if you make out to Spokane some time. My favorite is the Wendy's #2 with Blue Cheese crumbles.

I'd love to take you up on that offer! I'm sure that, working together, we could get some real performance out of that cheese.

Unfortunately, much as I'd like to, the chances of me travelling to Spokane are not good. But I do what I can, even if it is only offering criticism (hopefully seen as constructive) at the moment.


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Indeed, there goes the 8-10" of wire connection. I also noticed that Graham had the measurement wiring threading a couple of toroid cores.

Attached is the photo showing the load meter. The voltage side is connected, but the current side appears to be bypassed in this photo. Alas, that is a lot of extra wiring and will introduce a fair bit of parasitic inductance.

That photo of the C-H power analyzer with the Current input not connected and bypassed by the red cliplead is kind of disturbing. I certainly hope that this is not the configuration that gave the "0.000 Watts" measurement cited in the reports !!


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These are the release dates for the videos from the conference.  These were posted by Aaron a little while ago.

Release schedule so far:
 
 7/25/2016   PAUL BABCOCK – BABCOCK DC MOTOR   DISCLOSURE
 7/27/2016   AARON MURAKAMI - COLD   ELECTRICITY CIRCUIT
 7/29/2016   PANEL DISCUSSION       
 8/1/2016   JIM MURRAY – FUNDAMENTALS OF THE   TRANSFORMING GENERATOR       
 8/3/2016   GRAHAM GUNDERSON – MAGNETIC   IMPLOSION TRANSFORMER
 8/5/2016   MICHAEL WATERS – OPEN SYSTEM   PHYSICS AND THERMODYNAMICS       
 8/9/2016   PETER LINDEMANN - BEDINI SG:   BEYOND THE ADVANCED HANDBOOK
 8/11/2016   KEN ROCHON - USING SOCIAL MEDIA   TO SPREAD THE BREAKTHROUGH ENERGY MESSAGE
 8/15/2016   ERIC DOLLARD – ELECTRICAL   TRANSMISSION IN MULTIPLE COORDINATE SYSTEMS
 8/18/2016   MORAY B. KING – FROM NANOBUBBLES   TO BALL LIGHTNING: AN OVERVIEW OF NEW ENERGY POSSIBILITIES       
 8/23/2016   PROFESSOR ROBERT M. HARALICK –   PARAMAGNETIC AND DIAMAGNETIC FIELD EXPERIMENTS       
 8/25/2016   AARON MURAKAMI – PULSED PLASMA   MOTOR – KEY TO THE GRAY MOTOR?
 8/27/2016   AARON MURAKAMI - SCOTCH YOKE BOB   TEAL MOTOR

So it looks like you will be able to purchase the video on the Graham Gunderson demo on Aug. 3rd

Offline markdansie

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These are the release dates for the videos from the conference.  These were posted by Aaron a little while ago.

Release schedule so far:
 
 7/25/2016   PAUL BABCOCK – BABCOCK DC MOTOR   DISCLOSURE
 7/27/2016   AARON MURAKAMI - COLD   ELECTRICITY CIRCUIT
 7/29/2016   PANEL DISCUSSION       
 8/1/2016   JIM MURRAY – FUNDAMENTALS OF THE   TRANSFORMING GENERATOR       
 8/3/2016   GRAHAM GUNDERSON – MAGNETIC   IMPLOSION TRANSFORMER
 8/5/2016   MICHAEL WATERS – OPEN SYSTEM   PHYSICS AND THERMODYNAMICS       
 8/9/2016   PETER LINDEMANN - BEDINI SG:   BEYOND THE ADVANCED HANDBOOK
 8/11/2016   KEN ROCHON - USING SOCIAL MEDIA   TO SPREAD THE BREAKTHROUGH ENERGY MESSAGE
 8/15/2016   ERIC DOLLARD – ELECTRICAL   TRANSMISSION IN MULTIPLE COORDINATE SYSTEMS
 8/18/2016   MORAY B. KING – FROM NANOBUBBLES   TO BALL LIGHTNING: AN OVERVIEW OF NEW ENERGY POSSIBILITIES       
 8/23/2016   PROFESSOR ROBERT M. HARALICK –   PARAMAGNETIC AND DIAMAGNETIC FIELD EXPERIMENTS       
 8/25/2016   AARON MURAKAMI – PULSED PLASMA   MOTOR – KEY TO THE GRAY MOTOR?
 8/27/2016   AARON MURAKAMI - SCOTCH YOKE BOB   TEAL MOTOR

So it looks like you will be able to purchase the video on the Graham Gunderson demo on Aug. 3rd
Sadly not one demonstrated any Free energy or overunity
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