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lancaIV

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Re: car energy consume improvements
« Reply #30 on: July 17, 2021, 04:09:20 PM »
Being flexible :


when actually conventional ic-engine cars emitts in-/directly                   30   units CO2 per 100 Km               100%


by Germany electricity sources mix the electric car emitts in-/directly       7,5 units CO2 per 100 Km                 25%


by renewable electricity sources(wind,photovoltaic,water)                        1,25 units CO2 per 100 Km                4,2%








modernize and clean the ic-engine mobility                                           30 units CO2 per 100 Km


a. Arakelian fuel
https://patentscope.wipo.int/search/en/detail.jsf?docId=WO2013095190
 1/8 alcohol/fuel 7/8 hydrogen                                                         
 
                                                            to   30/8 CO2 emission     =      3,75 units CO2 per 100 Km




          Means : all ic-engines fueled by Arakelian fuel are all cleaner than electric drive cars sourced by grid mix electricity !


b.   alternatively gun engine http://www.gun-engine.pl/en/suzuki.html  same effect : all ic-engine cars cleaner than electric cars charged by e-mix !


       Ic-engine + Arakelian fuel + https://judbarovski.livejournal.com/  heterodyne antenna thermo electric generator


Invented heterodyne antenna thermo electric generator is very cheap and small and light and without any moving parts. Its energy efficiency is near 100%. Carnot limit is not relevant.
For example, a hybrid electric vehicle can use four times less fuels vs. ICE, so generating four times less exhausts, and I have developed a technology for very mass and cheap extraction CO2 from the air.


                                                                                        3,75 CO2 units /4 =                      0,9375 units CO2  per 100 Km





                      IC-engines modified are cleaner than all electric drive equipped cars ,sourced by e-mix or renewable-e !


Beside an ic-engine emission improvement option :


https://www.patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=12891
https://www.patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=14020


We have the decision freedom up to 2030 when world-wide basic patents validation periods ends and the battery prices will become available in the 100-50 US$/KWh/10 000 charge cycles level




Changing ic-engine cars to electric cars is not a climate change solution !


Improvement from ic-engine and electric drive cars is a climate solution !










The Arakelian/gun engine fuel is ,beside car use, also a good alternative to gasoil in house heating use :


http://www.habiter-autrement.org/12.energies/16_ener.htm


1975 GB average consume per sqm to 2020 Nearly Zero Energy Building Standart


UK average 12,900 kWh / 8 Arakelian effect / 82 sqm =  20 KWh fuel(-hydrogen mix) per sqm/year
« Last Edit: July 17, 2021, 07:53:51 PM by lancaIV »

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Re: car energy consume improvements
« Reply #31 on: July 18, 2021, 12:53:29 PM »
https://www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Factory-Direct-Supply-Tricycles-3-Wheel_1600168112355.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.3c2e1d17Q6LBpN


The price ?


Only the market price for a 1000 W variable speed electric motor actually ? + Controler ?




Cheap equipment for mobility experiments !


basic idea :
https://web.archive.org/web/20101107040910/http://omni.mcn.org/


Using lightweight vehicles such as ElectriLite (300#) instead of large EVs or ICVs:


* Reduces energy used by at least 90%
* Reduces battery lead pollution by at least 90%
* Reduces fuel (or electricity) consumption by 90 to 95%
* Reduces ownership, maintenance and insurance costs by 90%
* Increases participation in community ecological efforts ( by example )
* Increases personal time by shortening door to door ( trip, parking, etc. ) time
* Increases personal fitness by providing exercise opportunities facilitated by the IPC
* Increases personal visibility regarding our concerns for local environment and economy

to :
http://omni.mcn.org/ElectriLiteB/

1969 Toyota e-car :
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=it&tl=en&u=https://www.dannatavintage.com/2020/12/11/toyota-ex-ii-1969-electric-prototype/


1990 Hotzenblitz,Germany :
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotzenblitz


The Hotzenblitz has a light, stable tubular steel frame and an aluminum floor pan in a sandwich construction. The frame is planked with a plastic body. The panes are glued in place.

Drive is a rotary current asynchronous motor , the braking or during downhill driving as a regenerative brake in the generator mode, a part of the kinetic energy as electrical energy (up to about 11 kW) in the driving battery feeds back ( recuperation increases) and thus efficiency and range.

It has a nominal output of 12 kW (16 HP) and a short-term peak output of 16.5 kW [23] . The car reaches a top speed of around 100 km / h.



Performance with 2021 standarts ?


Electric Motor, brake energy recuperation generator, Wh/Kg Batteries



https://www.goldenmotor.com/                 


https://www.goldenmotor.com/eCar/Tata-Nano-Conversion.jpg   


   
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tata_Nano


Curb weight

600–635 kg less ic-engine parts


 to

 10 KW rated electric motor for modified TATA NANO ,SPEED up to 95 Km*h




https://www.mlive.com/auto/2011/07/volt_schmolt_gold_cup_legend_g.html


 2x 1,5 KW rated electric DC motors , top speed of 52 MPH = 83,6 Km*h


by GoldenMotor 2x 1,5 KW DC motor (not GarWoods 90V and torque ) + Controler nearly 750 US$ parts costs for experiments




https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loremo


with rated 10 KW electric DC motor ? Performance ?


with 2x rated 1,5 KW electric DC motor ,in-wheel ? Performance ?


with 2x rated 2 KW  https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20091130&CC=PT&NR=104078A&KC=A electric pulsed DC motor ?


https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_VESTA_2
weight,engine hp,max speed/velocity performance ! electric ?

https://www.tuvie.com/skoda-kite-electric-car-concept-was-inspired-by-sport-kite/

https://www.domusweb.it/en/sustainable-cities/gallery/2021/04/08/microcar-ten-tiny-cars-designed-for-the-city.html
CITYCAR ( 1974 ) : only 1,8 KW electric drive https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citicar


https://www.prismz.com/homebuilts/   https://www.prismz.com/automite/




https://www.electric-bikes.com/cars/kits.html       


https://web.archive.org/web/20110726180409/http://rqriley.com/plans.html


                  http://bugev.net/BugE_Concept.html






The TARGET :               1 Wh /Km electric drive consume (excluded media gadgets,heating,cooling)

                                   top speed 120 - 140 Km*h

                                   by average 50 Km daily drive in Europe/60 Km in the US


                                   e-storage easy to re-/charge with household 1500 Wattpeak socket in 3 minutes =(1500/60)x3 =


                                                                        75 Wh for daily driving
                           


or/and brake energy recuperation


or/and AmericanWind converter drive energy


or/and photovoltaic open/enclosed chamber panel


or/and Ramos Suarez/Lakhdar Mentzer/Pavel Imris   battery charging cycle


or/and Tanaka Saburo inverter cycle/amplifier








https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Constantinescu
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Constantinescu#/media/File:Constantinesco_Car.jpg


                5 H.P. FOUR-SEATER SALOON , petrol engine H.P. !

                 5 H.P. =     3,75 KW                  electric drive 


                                                               compressed air engine


                                                               hydrogen engine
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Re: car energy consume improvements
« Reply #32 on: July 19, 2021, 12:33:23 PM »
https://ev-database.de/cheatsheet/energy-consumption-electric-car


                                                   100 Wh/1 Km


https://www.shell.com/make-the-future/shell-ecomarathon/europe/results-and-awards/_jcr_content/par/expandablelist_781025105/expandablesection.stream/1563371146355/3ffc055693403502ab9323df9ff51f0dea80a2ef/europe-2019-prototype-battery-electric-full-results.pdf




                                                         to


 https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.guinnessworldrecords.de%2Fnews%2F2016%2F9%2Fmit-einem-liter-benzin-10-000-km-fahren-das-ist-das-effizienteste-elektrische-fa


With an extrapolated 1,232 kilometers per kilowatt hour, the team from the Technical University of Munich not only built the most efficient electric car, but also set an impressive and forward-looking world record.

The car, which was specially tailored to the needs of driver Lisa Kugler and weighs just 20 kilograms, had to drive for an hour and cover at least 25 kilometers.


                  or :                                      0,81 Wh / Km








                                                4-5-6  capita - seats electric car





https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_VESTA_2  27 hp ic engine






modifying to electric drive

https://overunity.com/14701/le-moteur-differential-de-mr-michel-porquer/


4x 500 rated Watt electric motor


  conventional e-motor                              2500 Wh/100 Km or 25 Wh/Km

  modern e-motor                                     1000 Wh/100 Km or 10 Wh/Km




sourced by 2021 now 3d MEMS-printed capacitive polymeric/graphene ink coils-amplifier




https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=2&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19940318&CC=FR&NR=2695768A3&KC=A3


The primary current is supplied by a small alternator (currently used to provide lighting for bicycles) at barely 6 volts and O, 35 A


                                               or an electromotive force of 2 ,15 watts .





                                              2,15 Wp per hour /average 40 Km (urban average velocity)




                                                                            0,05 Wh/ Km

                                by 120 Km*h max-speed and up to 800 Kg  VESTA 2 tipo car/car occupants weight



                           Remembering 1992 Suzuki and SIEMENS Atom Reactor driven concept cars



                           Nano-Boxx Micro-Nuclear Battery for 2,15 W delivery


                           When  1      KW =            claimed 40 US$ production costs

                                      0,01 KW = 1/100 claimed 40 US$ production costs


                             

                          0,81 Wh/100 Km or       

                          better

                                                              "ZERO ENERGY CONCEPT Cabrio-CAR"

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_C5 

+ e-drive  300/600/900 conventional rated Watts to Micromotor-couple 30/60/90 Watts

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=li+yng&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search

+ eternal e-source ( eternal = industrial/physical "warranty"  ::)  validation )

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19831209&CC=FR&NR=2528257A1&KC=A1






Probably from flood zones cheap available Tesla Motor or other listed e-vehicles
https://ev-database.de/cheatsheet/energy-consumption-electric-car
 ( total damage insurance stage) and modifying eco-nomical/-logical ?


1600 Kg to < 1000 Kg


Really "funny" are such claims : https://www.prismz.com/automite/


 With its ultra-compact size, outstanding fuel economy and amazingly simple, low-cost construction (build it in a couple of weekends for as little as $300) ::)


                                                        THE CAR FOR CHALLENGING TIMES  8)

                                                The Automite is a breakthrough in personal transportation!  :P


https://www.guinnessworldrecords.de/Images/Most%20efficient%20electric%20car%20-%20%20header_tcm26-442607.jpg?ezimgfmt=rs:780x440/rscb5/ng:webp/ngcb5


 als mobilen akademischen TU-alumni  "Foetus auf 3 Raedern"(trike) wuerde ich auch nicht als "breakthrough" bezeichnen !




                                      Ob es noch waechst ? Vielleicht aufpumpen ! 20 Kg !

https://www.guinnessworldrecords.de/Images/Most%20efficient%20electric%20car%20in%20action%20-%20image%203_tcm26-442609.jpg?ezimgfmt=rs:678x357/rscb5/ng:webp/ngcb5


                                            BOSTON LEGAL HOR(R)O(R)WITZ NANO-CAR ?




                                                  Non-sense ,basic idea destroyer


https://carnewschina.com/2012/05/01/chinese-man-makes-a-wind-car/      140 Km*h speed/velocity max.
                                             
Enthusiasts have established owners' clubs and some have modified their vehicles substantially, adding bigger wheels, jet engines, and high-powered electric motors to propel their C5s at speeds of up to 150 miles per hour (240 km/h).



                                             
                         Boeser https://www.ardmediathek.de/verstehen-sie-spass/  Spass  8)


                          https://www.quirumed.com/pt/cadeira-de-rodas-eletrica-dobravel-easy-estrutura-de-aco.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIuMW5jpLv8QIVMxkGAB1fCAclEAQYBCABEgLM_vD_BwE

                      Velocidade máxima: 6 km                      SOOOO lahm ?

              Altenrollstuhl,(ueber- ;D  )motorisiert,mit Fernbedienung/remote controle


                                   Ich will Spass,geb dem/der ALTEN (e)GAS :
 
                         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSZ5zrxdSZo
                            Geschwindigkeits-Weltrekord von 173,16 km/h

                                                  Tempo 2,4 to 24 to 240


                                                  Naduerli mit Alten-Selfie !
                                       
                                                  Damit er/sie nach dem "Spass" die eigenen Gesichtsgrimassen begutachten kann,


                                                  wenn er/sie es - dann/danach- noch kann ! ::)


                                                 e-tuning : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVyvZ_pM-cY













conventional e-trike


https://german.alibaba.com/g/electric-tricycle.html


and


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=tanaka+saburo&IN=&CPC=&IC=&Submit=Search
f.e.
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20190207&CC=JP&NR=2019022271A&KC=A


                                                                    net 0 Wh/Km urban trike


                                                              Target : 1000 US$/ all inclusive e-trike


    range (production quality dependent) with LTO battery equipped


   Yinlong 25 000 charge cycles = 25 Km*h average x 100 000 = 2 500 000 Km nonstop


   KOKAM(Hotzenblitz)-XALT 40 000 charge cycles = 25 Km*h average  x 160 000 = 4 000 000 Km nonstop
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« Reply #33 on: July 20, 2021, 02:15:42 PM »
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citicar


2021 to compare with


https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/four-wheels-mini-electric-car-for-passengers-60806560451.html?spm=a2700.wholesale.0.0.2ab459451b9Gkg
       
https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/1500-watt-small-mini-electric-two-seat-car-60770138701.html?spm=a2700.details.maylikeexp.1.1dd516397oyCLb


https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/2020-new-release-four-wheelers-electric-mini-car-4-passenger-use-62434673241.html?spm=a2700.wholesale.0.0.56e44f3bUvpIWc


1500 US$ market worth new product








improving to :


with daily limitless range


by City-speed max. limit 40/50 Km*h


as finally


2000 US$ market price -fob factory- 2/3/4 seater peoplemover



by e-Citycar-share :             100%,        50%,         33,3%,           25%,          10%   ownership and investment

                                                                    like public bus or taxi treatment








limitless e-trike ,30-40 Km*h  speed max


https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/new-design-800w-front-motor-electric-tricycle-with-3-wheel-60612996024.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_image.76ff3e902b3zWK


for < 1000 US$ -fob factory-


for < 750 US$ - fob factory - such


https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/electric-tricycle-electric-scooter-cargo-bike-electric-tricycle-1000w-leisure-car-adult-tricycle-cargo-electric-tricycles-62474983612.html?spm=a2700.7724857.normal_offer.d_title.1b593e907NFmPt





limitless e-bike, 30 Km*h speed max


for < 500 US$ - fob factory-

https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/two-wheeler-electric-motorbike-unique-fashion-electric-motorbike-hot-sale-electric-motorbike-1600273181018.html?spm=a2700.wholesale.0.0.2ab45945vuYpry
                Motor: Schwanzlos  ::) 


               
https://german.alibaba.com/product-detail/new-design-folding-fat-tire-electric-bike-electric-mountain-bike-62450710022.html?spm=a2700.wholesale.0.0.251e2e39xOYiaW

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« Reply #34 on: July 23, 2021, 01:45:28 AM »
https://theicct.org/publications/global-LCA-passenger-cars-jul2021


+ Reply # 30 :


the existent ic-engines with Arakelian fuel and gun-engine kit and the BEV 2030 standart can be reached by ic engine vehicles with this modification !


https://theicct.org/sites/default/files/Global-LCA-passenger-cars-fig1-jul2021_0.png


when 200 GHG emission units from 250 GHG emission units are by ic engine vehicles fuel/electricity production related


200   /8  Arakelian hydrogen-carb fuel or  http://www.gun-engine.pl/en/kh.html clean motor concept (Kit)    = 25 units + 50 units


                                        75 GHG emission units ic engine cars




                    there is by the icct no better BEV GHG emission 2021-2030 calculation


                   so we can assume maximal 1000 US$/Euros low carb car improvement worth/costs !


        (FIAT-)TATA NANO ic engine type cars as same clean as Tesla/VW/TOYOTA/KIA/Daimler-Benz electric motors models !


                                                  Not Premium class cars but global eco-standart !






                                               Clean ic engine or electrification :



                                               https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i4Gk2gtrWI


                                               https://www.goldenmotor.com/eCar/frame-eCar.htm










                                   Fuelcell or Co-gen engine (proepower  http://www.proepowersystems.com/PROEHOME.HTM      ) :


                                                                            costs and efficiency




                                                            to



https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=4&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19770802&CC=US&NR=4039352A&KC=A


compared

                                                        https://judbarovski.livejournal.com/


Epoch-making breakthrough electric generator
Author: David Judbarovski, systems engineering, principle inventor,
judbarovski@gmail.com

Abstract
Invented heterodyne antenna thermo electric generator is very cheap and small and light and without any moving parts. Its energy efficiency is near 100%. Carnot limit is not relevant.

For example, a hybrid electric vehicle can use four times less fuels vs. ICE, so generating four times less exhausts, and I have developed a technology for very mass and cheap extraction CO2 from the air.

Disclosure for experts
(for lighter understanding see a popular but clear introduction below)

Antenna is jointed with radiators, heated by heat carrier or by any combustible or by solar beams concentrator.
The said radiator emits a band of EM waves of about 100 THz interfered each with the others forming envelope band, can be filtered by the said antenna resonators of much less frequencies into electricity with high energy efficiency that can reach near 100% especially after recuperation of exhaust heat.

......."




100% actual ic engine car GHG emission /4  antenna resonator ic engine /8 a. hydrogen-carb or   b. water-carb fuel


                                                  = 3,125 % later modified ic engine car GHG emission


            200 units x 0,03125 = 6,25 units + 50 units car manufacturing = 56,25 units GHG emission


                                   with on-board  ic engine exhaust CO2 filtering and capture  option





the icct https://theicct.org/sites/default/files/Global-LCA-passenger-cars-fig1-jul2021_0.png
has to accept that electric motor/battery equipped cars are not and will be never "cleaner" that ic engine equipped cars !




 ::)  :
Antenna is jointed with radiators, heated by heat carrier or by any combustible or by solar beams concentrator.[/size]
The said radiator emits a band of EM waves of about 100 THz interfered each with the others forming envelope band, can be filtered by the said antenna resonators of much less frequencies into electricity with high energy efficiency that can reach near 100% especially after recuperation of exhaust heat.


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=54&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19931012&CC=US&NR=5252176A&KC=A


Solar beam concentrator !


Dr. Dr.  Rudolf Weinzierl


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?AB=&AP=&CPC=&DB=EPODOC&IC=&IN=weinzierl&PA=rudolf+weinzierl&PD=&PN=&PR=&ST=advanced&Submit=Search&TI=&bcId=1&locale=en_EP&page=0&return=true


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19800731&CC=DE&NR=2901615A1&KC=A1
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« Reply #35 on: August 31, 2023, 01:28:02 PM »
For experiments :

https://www.google.com/search?q=vegan+electric+trike&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m

48 Volt 22 Ah LEAD battery ,weight ?
https://www.akkuman.de/shop/4x-AGM-BLEI-AKKU-12V-22Ah-kompatibel-48V-SCOOTER-ROLEKTRO-5-ECO-CITY-PLUS-45-REC22
(12 V x 22 Ah )/6,2 Kg = 42,5 VAh/Kg nominal,DoD !
48 Volt x 22 Ah ~ 1056 VAh  'Enough for 90 Km drive range' !?

https://e-engine.de/tag/amprius-technologies/
500 VAh/Kg

The above 6,2 Kg x4 (12 V ea. to 48 V ) = 24,8 Kg x 500 VAh =  12 400 VAh
Enough for 90 Km  x 10-12 times drive range : 900-1080 Km !?
Improvements : range extender


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Citroen Ami lease plan condition  ( and probably etrike-car- investment share ) :

https://www.carwow.de/citroen/auto-news/1282/citroen-ami-2021-preise-technische-daten-und-verkaufsstart#gref
The Vegan eTrike assuming with  3600 € selling price,incl. VAT ( 3000 € comercial, without VAT)

750 € entrance (1 owner,1/2 = 375€ ea. 2-share-owner,1/3= 250 € ea. 3-share owner,.....and 7,5 € monthly fee (1 owner ),1/2,1/3,...
                 
Cheap,save and clean urban mobility

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« Reply #36 on: August 31, 2023, 01:46:14 PM »
Anyone, raise your hand if you can read let alone understand the way Lanca posts. Then please explain me how to deal with that chaos.

Lanca, you're broadcasting, but are you on a frequency that's on anyone's radio?

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« Reply #37 on: August 31, 2023, 02:01:45 PM »
In the search of the ' 10 000 Km drive range e-mobile,nonstop ' ( intercontinental,land/sea/air !)
Vegan eTrike + 500 VAh/Kg battery + improved rotorverter (Gordon James and Peter Rust and +++)~ 10 000 Km  ;)
City 40 Km•h velocity max. x 24 hours =  960 Km per day range

CloxxKI,AM or FM ? ;D 
Nonstop ? Relatively when as passengers humans ( biological-chemical input and output !)

Tschau,vale bene :)
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« Reply #38 on: August 31, 2023, 02:36:19 PM »
Takes a while to learn
And then you realize many contributions are
Way out of perspective ( or relevant)


Some actually totally detached from goals here ( mission statement)
And some very good!


Signal to noise ?
One man’s noise is another man’s signal ( open source vrs investor stuff )


One thing I would really ,really like to understand
Is
Lanca was involved in some magnet or ? Motor OU thingy
Big project?
Would be nice to read more (teach) about that!

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« Reply #39 on: September 01, 2023, 12:55:10 AM »
Battery Technology R&D preview

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20021231&CC=US&NR=6501093B1&KC=B1#
A solid state Quantum high Energy density Storage Or Retrieval device known as a quensor, and the trademark ENSOR(TM), having an energy density of about 1-15 kwhr/kg, comparable to gasoline, or more, is described
https://thundersaidenergy.com/downloads/lithium-ion-batteries-energy-density/
2023 :


Amprius comercial lithium battery : 450 Wh/Kg
CATL lithium battery  : https://newatlas.com/energy/catl-500-wh-kg-condensed-battery/
https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/650_whkg_1400_whl_recharg_batt_new_era_elect_mobility_ymikhaylik_0.pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiFif_b-4eBAxUWVKQEHSlLC0s4ChAWegQIBBAC&usg=AOvVaw0UGAfL01zE4Oraze1mrfBY

Lab lithium battery record : https://cleantechnica.com/2023/04/25/chinese-researchers-announce-711-kwh-kg-lithium-battery/
https://thedriven.io/2023/04/03/scientists-hail-new-battery-with-4-times-energy-density-of-lithium-ion/
“With further development, we expect our new design for the lithium-air battery to also reach a record energy density of 1200 watt-hours per kilogram,” said Curtiss. ​“That is nearly four times better than lithium-ion batteries.”

Not only power2weight ratio,also the lifetime as charge cycle number  is important.
From nearly zero external charging to net zero external charge to 100% autonomous self-recharging mobile.

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p.s.: step by step doubling,trippling this benchmark,making common
https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/greatest-distance-by-electric-vehicle-single-charge-(non-solar)
Vegan type experimental ,48 V x 22 Ah LEAD AGM battery ( 42,5 Wh/Kg) ~ 90 Km

A.
https://www.patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=15379

B.
42,5 Wh/Kg LEAD battery change to 500 Wh/Kg Lithium-/or Sodium battery

C.Conventional electric motor change to magnet array Halbach-type electric motor with sc-/or capacitive coils

gives


90 Km x Todorovic 3x = 270 Km x 10 times Lithium-/Sodium power per weight density = 2700 Km
 x 2x electric motor consume improvement ( Nm per electric pulse)
 = 5400 Km drive range
5400 Km / 1680 Km Guinness book world record
 = first target reached,world-record trippling  !

External/on board battery recharge time
Observation :
https://www.log9materials.com/   1/2 hour full recharge

https://www.autocarindia.com/industry/bengaluru-based-exponent-energy-reveals-15-minute-fast-charging-tech-for-evs-428900

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GwmidLzSYFY

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_C5  12 V x 36 Ah for 32 Km drive range ~ 1350 Wh/100 Km,1-seater
compared
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-vegan-electric-self-charging-solar-tricycle--2#/(48 V x 22 Ah)/0,9 ~ 1175 Wh/100 km , 3-seater

A good platform for R&D experiments

« Last Edit: September 01, 2023, 10:38:20 AM by lancaIV »

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« Reply #40 on: September 01, 2023, 05:59:57 PM »
Anyone, raise your hand if you can read let alone understand the way Lanca posts.

Then please explain me how to deal with that chaos.

Lanca, you're broadcasting, but are you on a frequency that's on anyone's radio?


Cloxxki,

Lanca's posts throughout this message board are dense with impressive research and pertinent useful information although most of his posts are nearly incoherent and unreadable.

Dude posts in the same style nearly all his posts.

Same with dxer (example), a bunch of babble translated from inside their head onto the public internet.

It takes time to boot up the computer, consider the subject, determine the wording, type out the words, login to our message board, and post to the internet for all to see; so naturally I assume people like this have something potentially somewhat worthwhile to share with us.

Dxer seems like a foreign old dude with a trillion variations of a design he came up with seventy years ago, mulls over these variations in his head at night, then wakes up in the morning and posts his latest variation that he speculatively feels might could conceivable perchance possibly work in theory god willing. For whatever reason, this guy finds it valuable and worth his time to post variations of his unproven design relentlessly over 10+ pages not soon stopping...! Going on 20+ pages!

After reading enough of Lanca's posts his style manifests itself more straightforward and coherent than his seemingly incoherent rambling notetaking appears...

The following is my analysis to aid in understanding this guy's approach to posting on the internet.



Lanca's post deciphered:

"Battery Technology R&D preview", the first line of Lanca's post is the subject of his post.

Lanca chooses to include lengthy full length urls in his post instead of properly using url tags. This is another aspect of Lanca's posting style that complicates reading this guy's posts. Additionally, improper capitalization adds to the overwhelming befuddlement. Lanca's over-the-top usage of colons, slashes, commas, and parentheses further increases the unreadability of his posts.

The next line shares with us the knowledge that "a solid state quantum high energy density storage or retrieval device known as a quensor has an energy density of about 15 kilowatt hours per kilogram which is comparable to gasoline".

The two sources of Lanca's information are from Worldwide Espacenet and Thundersaid Energy.

The single line with numbers at the bottom is Lanca's attempting showing that the Thundersaid energy link is from the year 2023 .

The lines after this share information of a commercial lithium battery that is 450 watt hours per kilogram made by a company called Amprius.

The next sentence shares information about a commercial lithium battery that is 500 watt hours per kilogram made by a company called CATL.

The next line provides a link to a pdf of a 650 watt hours per kilogram battery from Nasa.

In the paragraph proceeding Lanca informs us of the world record for a lithium battery in the lab that is 700 watt hours per kilogram.

Then Lanca shares the following quote "With further development we expect our new design for the lithium-air battery to also reach a record energy density of 1200 watt-hours per kilogram. That is nearly four times better than lithium-ion batteries." from a website called The Driven.

Lanca's own insight is shared with us next informing us his opinion that "Not only power to weight ratio, but also the lifetime as charge cycle number is important."

Next Lanca presents his opinion that this technology could manifest "from nearly zero external charging to net zero external charge to 100% autonomous self-recharging mobile." speculating further possibilities utilizing the above technology.

At this post his post is complete. But then Lanca decides to add a post script message that includes his notes from his above gathered research. The message Lanca chooses to share with us is "step by step doubling, trippling this benchmark, making common". These are breadcrumbs and tidbits of knowledge Lanca hopes someone piggybacks on while further researching these matters.

Lanca then provides information from the Guinness World Records describing a far traveling electric vehicle.

Apparently this vehicle uses an experimental 48 volt 22 amp-hour lead agm battery equivalent to about 42 watt hours per kilogram.
 
Next Lanca shares with us a patent for "Three times longer range with the same battery" from Patent Auction.

Then he shares his postulation about a "42 watt hour per kilogram lead battery changing to 500 watt hour per kilogram lithium or sodium battery", suggesting that a lithium or sodium battery could in his opinion be better than a lead battery.

Next Lancas explains that a "conventional electric motor change to magnet array halbach-type electric motor with sc or capacitive coils maybe might possibly triple the world record".

Lanca then provides a link from Log9 Materials presenting a fast-charing battery with half-hour recharge time.

Then he provides another link from Auto Car India presenting 15 minute fast charging technology.

After this Lanca provides a link to a Youtube video titled Exponent Energy Unveils Water-Based Rapid Charging Tech.

Then Lanca provides a link to a battery powered tricycle compared to another tricycle and posts their respective specs

WMBR is the Massachusetts Institute of Technology's student-run college radio station broadcasting on 88.1 FM. Perhaps Lanca is affiliated?

OCWL could be Lanca's full name signature? ...Or possibly a human person pictogram if you look at your screen and tilt your head to the left?

Lanca closes with letting us all know that what he is posting may potentially be "a good platform for research and development experiments" if anyone wants to piggyback off his aforementioned research.

I hope my post provides more clear understanding and insight into Lancas unenjoyable cumbersome incoherent posting style.

Thank you for sharing your research with us, Lanca.

Keep it coming!!




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Battery Technology R&D preview

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=1&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20021231&CC=US&NR=6501093B1&KC=B1#
A solid state Quantum high Energy density Storage Or Retrieval device known as a quensor, and the trademark ENSOR(TM), having an energy density of about 1-15 kwhr/kg, comparable to gasoline, or more, is described
https://thundersaidenergy.com/downloads/lithium-ion-batteries-energy-density/
2023 :


Amprius comercial lithium battery : 450 Wh/Kg
CATL lithium battery  : https://newatlas.com/energy/catl-500-wh-kg-condensed-battery/
https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/650_whkg_1400_whl_recharg_batt_new_era_elect_mobility_ymikhaylik_0.pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiFif_b-4eBAxUWVKQEHSlLC0s4ChAWegQIBBAC&usg=AOvVaw0UGAfL01zE4Oraze1mrfBY

Lab lithium battery record : https://cleantechnica.com/2023/04/25/chinese-researchers-announce-711-kwh-kg-lithium-battery/
https://thedriven.io/2023/04/03/scientists-hail-new-battery-with-4-times-energy-density-of-lithium-ion/
“With further development, we expect our new design for the lithium-air battery to also reach a record energy density of 1200 watt-hours per kilogram,” said Curtiss. ​“That is nearly four times better than lithium-ion batteries.”

Not only power2weight ratio,also the lifetime as charge cycle number  is important.
From nearly zero external charging to net zero external charge to 100% autonomous self-recharging mobile.

wmbr
OCWL
p.s.: step by step doubling,trippling this benchmark,making common
https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/greatest-distance-by-electric-vehicle-single-charge-(non-solar)
Vegan type experimental ,48 V x 22 Ah LEAD AGM battery ( 42,5 Wh/Kg) ~ 90 Km

A.
https://www.patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=15379

B.
42,5 Wh/Kg LEAD battery change to 500 Wh/Kg Lithium-/or Sodium battery

C.Conventional electric motor change to magnet array Halbach-type electric motor with sc-/or capacitive coils

gives


90 Km x Todorovic 3x = 270 Km x 10 times Lithium-/Sodium power per weight density = 2700 Km
 x 2x electric motor consume improvement ( Nm per electric pulse)
 = 5400 Km drive range
5400 Km / 1680 Km Guinness book world record
 = first target reached,world-record trippling  !

External/on board battery recharge time
Observation :
https://www.log9materials.com/   1/2 hour full recharge

https://www.autocarindia.com/industry/bengaluru-based-exponent-energy-reveals-15-minute-fast-charging-tech-for-evs-428900

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GwmidLzSYFY

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinclair_C5  12 V x 36 Ah for 32 Km drive range ~ 1350 Wh/100 Km,1-seater
compared
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-vegan-electric-self-charging-solar-tricycle--2#/(48 V x 22 Ah)/0,9 ~ 1175 Wh/100 km , 3-seater

A good platform for R&D experiments


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« Reply #41 on: September 02, 2023, 03:50:32 PM »
So much more words,when telex/telegram style is enough !

Dozens from ev skatebord Baukasten/platforms,to treat as '  no name' and open source hardware delivery,for mobility and households as renewable energetic circuit energy source.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-m&sca_esv=562194575&ei=FE7zZIXPGruhkdUPhaqX-A8&q=ev+skateboard+platform&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiFqZ3RmIyBAxW7UKQEHQXVBf8Q7Al6BAgNEAI&biw=600&bih=888


From ic-engine car ' one for all '-Baukasten/platform f.e. VW

https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plattform_(Automobil)
So wurde die Plattform des VW Golf IV (in Deutschland zwischen 1997 und 2003 gebaut) unter anderem auch für den VW Bora, VW New Beetle, Škoda Octavia I, Seat Leon I, Seat Toledo II, Audi A3 8L und Audi TT 8N benutzt.
                   Proletarische VW-Praeambel : Alle Marken ( und Modelle) sind  gleich

Golf=Bora=Beetle=Octavia=Leon=A3=TT = in der Schrottpresse gleich behandelt

VolksW-Bugatti und VolksW-Lamborghini und VolksW-Daimler ebenso

to pure electric Baukasten/platform
http://www.adrianchernoff.com/project/skateboard-platform/

for ic-engine vehicle to pure electric vehicle conversion like
https://www.zerolabs.com/platform

to low cost ev platform
https://www.instructables.com/Electric-Vehicle-A-simple-lightweight-EV-platform-/

The ev platform also as Zero (external) Energy power plant platform/base  for private households .

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« Reply #42 on: September 13, 2023, 01:05:42 PM »
There are two kinds of battery ' 5  or  3 minutes'  fast recharge :

a.https://www.theverge.com/23809811/ev-battery-swap-ample-fisker-tesla

https://www.nio.com/nio-power

battery pack change/swap

gasoline engine van to electric/swap battery system conversion :

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Automobiles/Japan-startup-to-convert-gasoline-vans-into-battery-swap-EVs


b.
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20230519005396/en/Prieto-Introduces-World%E2%80%99s-Fastest-Charging-Battery-That-Charges-in-3-Minutes

Low weight ,urban  ,e-vehicles with onboard 10 KWh battery capacity = 400 up to 600 km range and 3 minutes 80% recharge :
https://www.drive.com.au/news/silicon-battery-tech-electric-cars-charging-times/

Toyota 2028 electric car range claim :

https://insideevs.com/news/675517/toyota-battery-breakthrough-745-miles-range/
Furthermore, the car group estimates that it will be able to make an advanced solid-state battery that’s capable of offering over 900 miles (1,448 km) of range after 2028, thanks in part to lighter, less complicated cars that have fewer components.

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« Reply #43 on: September 13, 2023, 04:46:41 PM »
Before I continue: batteries are barbaric technology. Many things to choose from, but not light weight or low volume.

Also: I don't see a NEED to combat CO2 emissions. CO2 is the breath of life, without it, Earth turns into the Moon, Mars or Venus like places. Stuff needs to grow and nothing does without CO2. 3 or 4 parts per 10,000, that's not a whole lot. Greenhouse farmers buy CO2 and injects it into their farms to boost crop growth, add harvests per years. Food prices are high, people DIE of famine, CO2 is needed, not the enemy. Climate was never stable anywhere and isn't stable on any planet we known with an atmosphere, not even now. The last true climate change we had, was in the 12th hour of homo sapiens and most people who preach climate change don't know a thing about it, what species were extincted or how super recent that catastrophe was, let along what caused it. Odd, because the extinction of only large reptiles, 5000x longer (yes, you read that correctly) ago, everyone seems to know about in quite some detail...

Non-CO2 exhaust gasses I'd love to see reduced, they seem to not have the same critical uses for Earth?

Better still that charging or swapping would be topping up during a drive. There's a project that worked on 20 kW in-road-surface inductive charging that works while driving at highway speeds. If enough main corridors are equipped with that, and cars with compatible charge loops, there is no longer need for large batteries.
Smaller PHEV batteries that suit communiting and rarely starting the on board ICE would actually suffice even for long distance driving. Just follow long distance highways, like most everyone does on long drives.


In Formula 1 racing, they have a unique device called MGU-H. I can't pretend to fully understand it, but it's a generator on the hot exhaust gasses that puts energy back into the drivetrain either via the battery or by spooling the turbo. I am really fuzzy on it. This MGU-H brings around 80 kW non-stop that would otherwise have floated away as heat and sound. Yes, it makes the car less loud.
Combined with a (weak) hybrid system that is greatly flawed by small battery and regulated deployment per lap, these F1 powertrains still achieve >50% thermal efficiency.
Regulation have limited the fuel flow and battery size, so teams work on efficiency a lot to go faster.


Sadly the MGU-H is deemed useless for road cars as it needs concentrated heat and exhaust flow to work. I'm not super convinced. Perhaps a small family car could have an exhaust system that optimized for the kinds of flow an appropriately sized and tuned MGU-H calls for, and still return a few kW, which would be pretty significant for cars that use around 5-10 kW in everyday urban driving and 20 kW on the highway (where the MGU-H would work better).

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« Reply #44 on: September 13, 2023, 08:59:46 PM »
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Before I continue: batteries are barbaric technology. Many things to choose from, but not light weight or low volume.

Also: I don't see a NEED to combat CO2 emissions. CO2 is the breath of life, without it, Earth turns into the Moon, Mars or Venus like places. Stuff needs to grow and nothing does without CO2. 3 or 4 parts per 10,000, that's not a whole lot. Greenhouse farmers buy CO2 and injects it into their farms to boost crop growth, add harvests per years. Food prices are high, people DIE of famine, CO2 is needed, not the enemy.

So batteries are barbaric and fossil fuels are smart, got it.

Why do you think they call oil a fossil fuel? ie a fossil?. For example, if you found a dead road kill that's been out in the sun for weeks the stinky black slimy goo pooling under the carcass is basically oil. In fact, the oil producers mine dead plant/animal graveyards similar to our graveyards. So when you fill up your car your literally burning the residue from the dead for fuel.

So when people talk about fossil-fuels I get this image of one of those B rate horror flicks where a bunch of brain dead zombies are running around eating the dead and burning them for fuel like cord wood to stay warm. I mean burning dead animals for fuel is kind of fubar and as barbaric as it gets and yet this is exactly what were doing. Does that sound intelligent?.

I'm still surprised any of these people can say they "love oil" with a straight face. When people say they love fossils fuels I see the picture below. It's just so absurd and barbaric a person has to laugh otherwise we would lose our mind.

AC