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Offline adrouk

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Re: car energy consume improvements
« Reply #45 on: September 13, 2023, 09:39:15 PM »
Before I continue: batteries are barbaric technology. Many things to choose from, but not light weight or low volume.

Also: I don't see a NEED to combat CO2 emissions. CO2 is the breath of life, without it, Earth turns into the Moon, Mars or Venus like places. Stuff needs to grow and nothing does without CO2. 3 or 4 parts per 10,000, that's not a whole lot. Greenhouse farmers buy CO2 and injects it into their farms to boost crop growth, add harvests per years. Food prices are high, people DIE of famine, CO2 is needed, not the enemy. Climate was never stable anywhere and isn't stable on any planet we known with an atmosphere, not even now. The last true climate change we had, was in the 12th hour of homo sapiens and most people who preach climate change don't know a thing about it, what species were extincted or how super recent that catastrophe was, let along what caused it. Odd, because the extinction of only large reptiles, 5000x longer (yes, you read that correctly) ago, everyone seems to know about in quite some detail...

Non-CO2 exhaust gasses I'd love to see reduced, they seem to not have the same critical uses for Earth?

Better still that charging or swapping would be topping up during a drive. There's a project that worked on 20 kW in-road-surface inductive charging that works while driving at highway speeds. If enough main corridors are equipped with that, and cars with compatible charge loops, there is no longer need for large batteries.
Smaller PHEV batteries that suit communiting and rarely starting the on board ICE would actually suffice even for long distance driving. Just follow long distance highways, like most everyone does on long drives.


In Formula 1 racing, they have a unique device called MGU-H. I can't pretend to fully understand it, but it's a generator on the hot exhaust gasses that puts energy back into the drivetrain either via the battery or by spooling the turbo. I am really fuzzy on it. This MGU-H brings around 80 kW non-stop that would otherwise have floated away as heat and sound. Yes, it makes the car less loud.
Combined with a (weak) hybrid system that is greatly flawed by small battery and regulated deployment per lap, these F1 powertrains still achieve >50% thermal efficiency.
Regulation have limited the fuel flow and battery size, so teams work on efficiency a lot to go faster.


Sadly the MGU-H is deemed useless for road cars as it needs concentrated heat and exhaust flow to work. I'm not super convinced. Perhaps a small family car could have an exhaust system that optimized for the kinds of flow an appropriately sized and tuned MGU-H calls for, and still return a few kW, which would be pretty significant for cars that use around 5-10 kW in everyday urban driving and 20 kW on the highway (where the MGU-H would work better).

There is indeed a little truth in what you saying but, to say that we need to burn something to get a mean of transport is completely out of proportion … are you a clone of stivep ? Fake solutions that you present is just to keep bigoilco going when they shouldn’t be allowed to ever exist.

Offline Cloxxki

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Re: car energy consume improvements
« Reply #46 on: September 14, 2023, 12:09:11 AM »
There is indeed a little truth in what you saying but, to say that we need to burn something to get a mean of transport is completely out of proportion … are you a clone of stivep ? Fake solutions that you present is just to keep bigoilco going when they shouldn’t be allowed to ever exist.
Nix, is that you my dear?

Offline Cloxxki

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Re: car energy consume improvements
« Reply #47 on: September 14, 2023, 12:30:02 AM »
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So batteries are barbaric and fossil fuels are smart, got it.

Why do you think they call oil a fossil fuel? ie a fossil?. For example, if you found a dead road kill that's been out in the sun for weeks the stinky black slimy goo pooling under the carcass is basically oil. In fact, the oil producers mine dead plant/animal graveyards similar to our graveyards. So when you fill up your car your literally burning the residue from the dead for fuel.

So when people talk about fossil-fuels I get this image of one of those B rate horror flicks where a bunch of brain dead zombies are running around eating the dead and burning them for fuel like cord wood to stay warm. I mean burning dead animals for fuel is kind of fubar and as barbaric as it gets and yet this is exactly what were doing. Does that sound intelligent?.

I'm still surprised any of these people can say they "love oil" with a straight face. When people say they love fossils fuels I see the picture below. It's just so absurd and barbaric a person has to laugh otherwise we would lose our mind.

AC
I'll return the favor, then. So you're telling me that your parents explicitly raised you to put words in other people's mouths, and to make sure to only do this with utter nonsense you'd hardly find anyone to believe or admit to. Gotcha.
If in your world other people's opinions are so easily sorted in two groups, you may already be in heaven. What's more of a bliss, after all? I wouldn't want to disturb that bliss by actually answering your retorical statement on my behalf.

Offline onepower

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Re: car energy consume improvements
« Reply #48 on: September 14, 2023, 03:08:29 AM »
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If in your world other people's opinions are so easily sorted in two groups, you may already be in heaven. What's more of a bliss, after all? I wouldn't want to disturb that bliss by actually answering your retorical statement on my behalf.

Hey I'm not the one making stupid statements like batteries are barbaric and implying climate change is a hoax and not a problem because plants like CO2. This is the kind of misinformation and propaganda usually coming from Russian trolls trying to shut down clean or free energy. It's just another clever way of implying all change is bad and we should just hold the status quo, in effect do nothing.

On sorting people by opinion, uhm yes 100%. I think intelligent people can see the benefits of sustainable clean/free energy and only a moron would think we can pump billions of tons of hydrocarbons and other pollutants into the atmosphere and nothing will happen. People have a right to there opinion and I have a right to think there opinion is absurd and not based on real facts.

This summer was very telling, super hot everywhere, very low water levels/water restrictions and smoky/hazy half the time. Some people I know even lost there houses to the wildfires in B.C. I was just waiting for some ignorant sob to claim this was nothing out of the ordinary.

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Offline MBM

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Re: car energy consume improvements
« Reply #49 on: September 14, 2023, 06:16:02 AM »

Why do you think they call oil a fossil fuel? ie a fossil?...

AC

Hey onepower, just a short history lesson for you  ;)

Fletcher Prouty Explains Invention and Use of Term "Fossil Fuels"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSff0pwc1Xc

Offline kolbacict

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« Reply #50 on: September 14, 2023, 07:47:25 AM »
Tell me please,where come this personage from ? film?
I saw that film very long time. I want to watch it again. But don't know it name.
There were evil mother and children. And a sailboat in the grotto at the end. :)

Offline lancaIV

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Re: car energy consume improvements
« Reply #51 on: September 14, 2023, 09:49:04 AM »
Kyoto- conference : 1990-2050  - 80% Greenhousegas-Emission reduction
Paris-conference : reduction from Global-Warmpotential to maximal +1,5°C from average

An internal combustion engine its gas process temperature output from the tail pipe : 350°C
Each liter liquid becomes by explosion a gas,mixed with extra introduced atmospheric air a huge heated gas volume per driven kilometer !

https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.adilca.com/FUEL_COMBUSTION.pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwiU7c2Uy6mBAxXFT6QEHSduDWcQFnoECAEQAg&usg=AOvVaw3qt7QB2uB-kRAPxGwHeS_M

The combustion of 1 kilogram of diesel fuel requires about 14.6 kilograms of air 
(that is, given the composition of the air, about 11.2 kilograms of nitrogen and 3.4 
kilograms of oxygen); the reaction produces about 11.2 kilograms of nitrogen (this gas 
being chemically neutral, it did not participate in the combustion), 3.2 kilograms of carbon 
dioxide (CO2) and 1.2 kilograms of water (H2O).

- The combustion of 1 kilogram of gasoline requires about 15.3 kilograms of air (that 
is, given the composition of the air, about 11.8 kilograms of nitrogen and 3.5 kilograms of 
oxygen); the reaction produces about 11.8 kilograms of nitrogen (this gas being chemically 
neutral, it did not participate in the combustion), 3.1 kilograms of carbon dioxide (CO2) and 
1.4 kilograms of water (H2O).

350°C /ambiental seasonal temperature : air dehumidification : condensation enthalpy = temperature increase

Heat-island effect !
Independent from (liquid,gas) combustion fuel kind,a-/biotic,bio-/syn-/e-fuel,hydrogen,NH3 et cetera !
A geral 'ic'-/heat engine~ ambiental heater/dryer dilemma !

By using electricity to be critical about natural resources ab-/use :

https://spectrum.ieee.org/how-much-water-does-it-take-to-make-electricity
”That translates to an average of 95 L of water to produce 1 kilowatt-hour of electricity,”

The researchers also looked at water consumption by type of electricity generation:
https://spectrum.ieee.org/media-library/image.jpg?id=26412884&width=284&quality=80


'personal destruction fingerprint' !

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Offline onepower

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Re: car energy consume improvements
« Reply #52 on: September 14, 2023, 05:55:44 PM »
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Hey onepower, just a short history lesson for you  ;)
Fletcher Prouty Explains Invention and Use of Term "Fossil Fuels"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSff0pwc1Xc

Interesting video and typical of most misinformation and propaganda.

I think it's comical because I have no problem showing the guy is a complete moron.

1)The notion that because oil was found below 33,000 feet it cannot come from plant/animal material is absurd. The Earth's crust is always changing and like water oil/gas moves through permeable ground until it hits the rock sides of a formation. Cracked and/or broken formations could allow oil to go much deeper than 33,000 feet. In fact, fracking fractures/cracks the formations increasing oil production doing as much. I used to work on a drilling rig and field operations(compressor station, 450 wells). So it's easy to spot stupid people claiming stupid things like in the video.

2)I also built and tested many Pyrolysis units which use heat and pressure to convert any organic material into oil just like the Earth does. So when some moron like in the video implies oil cannot come from organic material it's absurd. I literally built my own Pyrolysis units that do exactly what he claimed cannot happen.

3)Here's a clue, fracking chemicals are showing up in very deep water formations and can travels hundreds of miles horizontally. They frack a hole and 50 miles away the water goes to shit and gas starts coming out a person's water faucet. Even a child could put two and two together and figure out water, gas, oil and chemicals are always moving around from one formation to another.

So the only history lesson you have shown is that there's always morons trying to dupe people into believing nonsensical things to serve there interests. Every conman, shill and troll has come crawling out from under there rock with the rise of populism. However I'm sure free and clean energy will prevail. Progress waits for no man.

AC


Offline SolarLab

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Re: car energy consume improvements
« Reply #53 on: September 14, 2023, 07:51:16 PM »

Wondering if these "Boost Converters" have any "Gain"  :)   

"This paper presents a reactor core for boost converters used in automotive motor drive systems for
HEVs and PHEVs, etc. (Fig. 1). A reactor is designed to (i) convert (boost) the voltage by alternately
accumulating and releasing the magnetic energy and (ii)  smoothing the ripple current that is
generated in the boosting process. The core is the key component to achieve the reactor’s functions."

Attached pdf:  "Pure Iron Based Soft Magnetic Composite Core That Enables Downsizing Automotive Reactors" 

SL


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Re: car energy consume improvements
« Reply #54 on: September 14, 2023, 07:55:39 PM »
 Wondering if these "Boost Converters" have any "Gain"

 :)

"To this end, each system mainly employs a power unit
with a boost circuit (Fig. 1) that increases the battery
voltage of 200-300 V to the motor-driving voltage of
400-800 V 1)-3) "

"The reactor in a booster circuit is a core
component that serves to boost the input voltage
from the inverter with the action of, switching
devices that turn on and off to alternately charge and
discharge magnetic energy, and to smooth the ripple
in the electric current generated during the voltage
conversion."

Attached PDF:
"Low Loss Reaactor Comprising Dust Core {SMC} and Copperbelt Core"
 
SL

Offline ramset

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Re: car energy consume improvements
« Reply #55 on: September 15, 2023, 12:02:17 PM »
Yes
Batteries storage has always had issues ..from the mining to (lithium recycling??)


Some may feel compressed air shouldn’t even be invited to
The discussion?
Not true
India ,Australia and others are taking it quite seriously


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fFoYPj3Ntzc
4 times the storage density of lithium?( certain applications)

Just paying attention…





Offline DavidWolff

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Re: car energy consume improvements
« Reply #56 on: September 15, 2023, 01:40:01 PM »
Have you seen this device ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnVXuMfiHdI

Also Tesla didn't use loads of batteries in his car

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2hk8Qp8dd0

Offline Cloxxki

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Re: car energy consume improvements
« Reply #57 on: September 15, 2023, 07:25:53 PM »
Cloxxki
Hey I'm not the one making stupid statements like batteries are barbaric and implying climate change is a hoax and not a problem because plants like CO2.
And you're the authority to label statements "true" or "stupid"? The latter of course ideally after you reframe the statements a bit.

You sure are in a state of bliss. You get to be judge of everything, and your feelings and beliefs are law.

Offline Cloxxki

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« Reply #58 on: September 15, 2023, 07:40:27 PM »
Yes
Batteries storage has always had issues ..from the mining to (lithium recycling??)


Some may feel compressed air shouldn’t even be invited to
The discussion?
Not true
India ,Australia and others are taking it quite seriously


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fFoYPj3Ntzc
4 times the storage density of lithium?( certain applications)

Just paying attention…
Ahah! Lithium based batteries losing to a balloon and a candle for energy store density...

Offline ramset

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Re: car energy consume improvements
« Reply #59 on: September 15, 2023, 11:54:44 PM »

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fFoYPj3Ntzc
4 times lithium 9:00 minute mark above vid
(Ballon and candle with fan;)direct mechanical to energy storage ->to user ( city transportation network?


Australia motor breakthrough (6 pound) zero rpm full torque motor 11:30 mark above vid


Clean fresh air from windmill to car exhaust pipe
Plenty of room for “Fred in the shed” ( Grumage term;-) to get involved ( cottage industry)