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Title: regenerative acceleration
Post by: life is illusion on July 02, 2016, 01:31:51 AM
Hello everyone  :)
I'm not so active in this page, so I am not sure if such a generator has been built and if there are discussions about these types of generators.
As you can see in the video, I have been able to gain RPM under load, but unlike Thane Heins's method, this generator can produce the regenerative acceleration effect at almost any RPM with any coil inductance. I got the idea from JLN labs, so all the credits go to the admin of that page.

 This method works by leaving some distance between the magnets and tip of the solenoid. This gives me the idea that if we use smaller rotors in for instance, permanent magnet generators of wind or hydro generators, we could very simply go around Lenz's law. From what I have seen in my experiences, about 5-10mm distance will do the trick. Meaning that the rotor of generator should be replaced by a second rotor which has 10-20mm smaller diameter than the main rotor. I have not tested this idea, so I am not sure at all. I do have different size brushless motors and if I find the time, I will install the rotor of a smaller motor into a bigger motor and test this idea. I will not bother about arguing this topic with certain known individuals in this page, but if you have constructive opinions, I will be glad to hear about it. I hope you enjoy the vid ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCFak6CYzIQ
Title: Re: regenerative acceleration
Post by: gotoluc on July 02, 2016, 06:21:51 PM
I would like to help you save time and resources by offering you the two videos I made (below) which demonstrate what cause the effect you are observing.

Basically the steel nuts and bolts you are using is the worst kind of generator core material you can use. They cause Eddy currents and have much Hysteresis which holds magnetic flux in the core.
In this scenario when such a generator coil is placed under load or is shorted it will help demagnetize the core which reduces the Hysteresis effect which in turn reduces the strain on the motor turning the rotor.
However, there is no free lunch here as your motor is using more power then it should to turn the magnet rotor with steel bolts as cores. Try replacing your bolt with a Ferrite core which has low Hysteresis and the effect will be gone and your input power will be much less and your output power may be more as I demonstrate in my second video.

Just trying to help since I've got years of testing this.

Luc

Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr3x0xTqM_k (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr3x0xTqM_k)

Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYGM4UlnqTM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYGM4UlnqTM)
Title: Re: regenerative acceleration
Post by: life is illusion on July 02, 2016, 07:46:09 PM
Hi Luc,
Thanks for taking your time and commenting, I really appreciate it :)
I'm probably gonna sound ignorant and I hope you forgive me for that, cuz I'm just trying to learn.
As it is possible to see in my video, I'm turning on a incandescent 12v light bulb. Its a pure resistive load and as you mentioned in your video, it shows real power is being used. I'm sure the light bulb was not getting 12v, but it was not getting millivolts either like the results shown in your video. The rotor speeds up even when only the light bulb is used and all other coils were left open. By closing the other two coils, the rpm increased even more.
Also lets keep in mind that each core of coil in this configuration will not only attract the magnets towards itself, it will actually push it away. This means the core drag is not present anymore. I think what we should notice is the fact that I have only 3 coils in this generator. By increasing the number of coils, lets say to 12, we will get to turn on 12 incandescent light bulbs while each bulb will cause the rotor to spin faster, which will translate to less power being consumed by the prime mover.

My points are:
_ No generator has one or 3 coils, they usually have more poles than that.
_ The 12v ligh bulb turn on, causes the RPM to increase and drops the power consumption of prime mover.

So bigger rotating wheel, more cores and coils and more resistive loads will give us what we are searching for: More out than what we put in :)

Best Regards
Sam
Title: Re: regenerative acceleration
Post by: gotoluc on July 02, 2016, 08:19:20 PM
I edited my post above as I forgot to write: "when such a generator coil is placed under load or is shorted"  it will cause the effect you are observing.

Originally I had the same thoughts as you. More coils more power out but the reality is, the more bolt core coils you add the more power you will needed to input to the motor to keep the magnet rotor turning. It's a loosing battle as the generators output power will never exceed the input power if you are using bolt core generator coils.
If you measure the power that appears to be deliver for free, you will find it is less then the power it takes from the input to introduce that bolt coil.

You can reverse test this by removing one bolt coil of your 3 coils at a time by connecting an amp meter between one of your motor wires and you will see the motor will use less and less amps as you remove the bolt coils.

Wishing you all the best

Luc
Title: Re: regenerative acceleration
Post by: life is illusion on July 02, 2016, 08:24:34 PM
The reason that RPM increases is that the cores start pushing the magnets away, this means the core drag decreases, at least I think so :)
Title: Re: regenerative acceleration
Post by: gotoluc on July 03, 2016, 02:22:01 AM
Before you do the reverse test of removing one bolt generator coil at a time as I suggested above, make sure to also take note of your battery Voltage (with motor turning) with all three coils in place and take note of the voltage as you remove each bolt gen coil.
Now you should have three Volts and Amp sample of each scenario and be able to calculate the input power (in watts) of how much each bolt gen coil loads down the input.
Next, take your amp meter and select AC Amp setting and connect it across one of the wires of your last gen coil while under load and also measure the voltage across the load with the meter on AC volts.
Now multiply your input battery voltage with the Amps (average if you wish) you measured when removing each bolt coil.
(example) input battery voltage was 12.32vdc x 0.42 amps = 5.3 Watts
Then do the same with what you measured on the load (example)  6.5vac x 0.32 ac amps = 2 Watts

By doing this math and comparing Watts In with Watts Out you will realize the apparent free output even if you add the input watts reduction when gen coil is on load, your Watts out will be less then the cost of Watts in to introduce a bolt core gen coil.

I'm not trying to discourage you but rather help you get to the real results sooner as I have been down that path.

Wishing you all the best with your experiments

Luc
Title: Re: regenerative acceleration
Post by: life is illusion on July 03, 2016, 01:54:02 PM
Dear Luc and dear Erfinder,
Thank you for commenting.
As I mentioned in the video, this model was my first prototype and I believe was lucky to be able to observe the acceleration under load thingy in my first try ^_^
This experiment showed me that phase shift is possible and to me this is a very good news :D
Core drag is always present in average generators. But when put on load, their rpm drops and they start consuming more power. I believe AUL systems don't have that problem and I think that's a great news. I will use the results of this test (possibility of phase shift) in future experiments :)

Best Regards
Sam
Title: Re: regenerative acceleration
Post by: life is illusion on July 03, 2016, 03:15:03 PM
Oh, I also think only because we are searching for OU, that doesn't mean we should discard more efficient generators. I think Generators which are capable of doing AUL are much more efficient than our average generators :)
Title: Re: regenerative acceleration
Post by: gotoluc on July 03, 2016, 08:47:54 PM
Thanks Erfinder for posting your comments and video demo.

Your years of research has evolved to not using any core material, which is what one ultimately want.

Will user life is illusion be able to achieve this leap?

What I was trying to point out is, using a steel bolt as core easily demonstrates the effect but is a loosing battle if you keep building on this direction.

As you point out and I agree, Phase Shift is of importance and I think life is illusion is on to it.

So, what's going on in a steel core when the coil is distanced away from the magnet rotor?
Is there a way to create the same effect using air coils only?... there must be since you demonstrate it!
Could a delay line help?

Many things to think about ;)

Luc



 
Title: Re: regenerative acceleration
Post by: gotoluc on July 03, 2016, 09:09:20 PM
An interesting video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_Z2-3dKQvI
Title: Re: regenerative acceleration
Post by: hoptoad on July 05, 2016, 07:42:01 AM
snip...
Listen to your machine, many have been down this and similar roads, most come up empty handed, and eventually bash the concept.  There is a boat load to be learned from this concept, you simply need to have an open mind, tons of patients, and dedication to "your" cause. 
snip...
I learned how to do this by ignoring what people say, and focusing on what the machine demonstrates,  and dictates.
Regards
Good advice. Good demo, looking forward to more info on your experiments with air cores.
Cheers
Title: Re: regenerative acceleration
Post by: tinman on July 05, 2016, 12:31:21 PM
An interesting video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_Z2-3dKQvI

Sorry Luc,but that bloke is full of crap,and has no idea what he is talking about--nor has he(or anyone else) presented a self running romag--after all this time.

It would also seem that some have fallen for the same effect with the air core coil's ::)
There is simply no magic happening with speed up under load--even with air core coils.
Think about the air core coils speed up under  load effect a bit--i bet you can work out what is happening there-if you think hard enough ;)--but there is no free lunch :(


Brad
Title: Re: regenerative acceleration
Post by: hoptoad on July 05, 2016, 01:28:31 PM
snip...
 ;) --but there is no free lunch :(
Brad
Sad but true.  :-[
But sometimes the power/rpm/torque curves might be quite salivating. (I'm thinking more along the line of motors.)
Especially if you're thinking speed car racing! Weight to power ratio etc. High end torque when you need it ?
Cheers
Title: Re: regenerative acceleration
Post by: tinman on July 06, 2016, 02:14:48 PM

As I am the first on this thread to demonstrate the effect with air core, and have yet to find any other thread where a discussion is taking place where an air core system is used to produce the effect, I must presume that "some" is a reference to me.  That being said, I feel it necessary to inform you that I can't count the number of  times I have jumped into a conversation and ended up putting my foot in my mouth, for the record, this is what you are doing right now.  You have no idea what's going on in my demo.  It is not wise of you to make a generalization which you assume applies to my machines, it does not.  The description of my video specifically states :


"Introducing an unconventional means of creating the condition of acceleration in a generator under load, in an air core system."


Thought went into that description!  It was my hope that this simple statement would be enough for those skilled in how not to do things, (how they are presently practiced) to understand that my method has nothing in common with the collectively agreed upon approach other than the name given the demonstrated effect.

 
I am not here to discuss magic.....The speed up effect has one cause, a cause which I have found is the common denominator between the way to nowhere, and the method I have "tripped" over, (I put it this way because no one takes you seriously if you don't support what you say with scope shots and proper measurement data....(for the record, I'm not talking to those folk, I am reaching out to those in the community who have the capacity to turn that part of their brain off.)  I am beginning to recognize the superiority that air has over iron, and from this am almost certain that the future will belong to those who master air core technology. Effects we have experienced only in iron core systems showing up in air core systems is an indication that we missed something, something of paramount significance.  The fact that you haven't demonstrated anything in this direction indicates that you missed it too, not a big deal till it's a big deal...   
 

This isn't a challenge, I am not asking anyone to think hard about anything.  This is me a nobody informing a room full of like minded, that the effect that they are excited about can be produced using what others have said is impossible, namely, low resistance, low inductance, air core coils.  So think all you want, you may figure out one or two things, but you won't catch and derail this train. 


If and when I desire to discuss gain I will, when I decide to do so.  I choose my words carefully, gain was not the subject of my demonstration.  To reiterate, the purpose of my demo was to demonstrate what can be done with a low resistance, low inductance air core coil....period! 
 
Yes there is, you and others preaching the contrary doesn't make your view true.  Here is truth as I see it, the things we build are aligned with the laws of men, laws based on what?  Where the laws we observe and adhere to based on Natural law as it is provided to us by Nature, every lunch would be free.....


My intent was/is to protect myself and my interest, if I offended you in any way, I ask you to forgive me.  I felt offended, result... my defensive posture.
 


Regards

Erfinder

I would have to agree with you--i do not know quite how your design is set up.
Best i can make out,is the motor seems to be some sort of pulse motor?.

What i am saying is,i do not understand as to why you think this is such a great thing?.
What you show,can be easily replicated,and reasons given as to why--yes,even with air core coils,as i have done many times in the past.

Perhaps you have something different going on,but if from a pulse motor perspective,then air core generating coils can be quite easy made so as the motor will speed up under load.

Will you be doing any kind of power measurement's,and sharing with us here?--that would be great to see.
It would also help if we had a description of your setup,so as we could look at what and why things are happening the way they are.


Brad
Title: Re: regenerative acceleration
Post by: conradelektro on July 06, 2016, 10:54:29 PM
Here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAXQBpuLu68 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAXQBpuLu68) I show a generator speeding up under load.

A coil (also an air core coil) always has a certain amount of self-capacitance. The inductance of a coil and its self-capacitance form an LC circuit ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LC_circuit (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LC_circuit) ).

If the generator coil is excited at its resonance frequency (at the resonance frequency of this de facto LC circuit), or at a sub-harmonic of it, the generator speeds up in comparison to the turning speed below or above this resonance frequency (or a harmonic of it) under the same load.

My video shows this and the description explains it.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: regenerative acceleration
Post by: tinman on July 07, 2016, 12:43:46 AM

 
ok....

 
Why even concern yourself with why I think something is great or not?  I can and will think what I want about what I build, I don't need permission, nor approval, from anyone to think something I find and present is a good thing. 
 
Knock yourself out, build something, your effort will not be considered as a replication by me, as I haven't provided you with any details regarding my machine.  Your effort will be your attempt at replicating a vague presentation. 



Strange how easy something becomes after someone else demonstrates it.  Sure this stuff is easy, that's not the point though, my point was made.  The effect was demonstrated with low resistance, low inductance air core coils.  Like it or not, that was the point.  You nor no one else have demonstrated this, ergo my posting.  If it were demonstrated by you or another, there wouldn't have been a point in posting.
 
I thought about it.....no, I don't think I will be doing any kind of power measurements.  What would be the point in that, the purpose of the demonstration was clear.  When the time comes to make a presentation regarding input vs output, no data will be collected.  One thing rings true on all of these platforms, there is no standard for proper measurement, everyone and I do mean everyone has a problem with the way things are measured.  Since its impossible to please any one individual, might as well be ignored by all.  If the demonstrations are thought provoking enough, they won't be ignored long.
 
You think I am sharing because I want your opinion of my effort?  You think I want my illusions shattered?  I rather enjoy looking at the machines the way I do now, I am content with my view of how and why things are happening the way they are.  You are making that mistake again, in assuming that this is only about speeding up, it's about more than that, and my job is to stay true to myself, and my false (to you and a few others), ideas.  That being said....no...no description of my setup.  As I mentioned before, you can try your luck and may come up with something that does demonstrate speed up, but you cannot catch and derail this train, whatever you come up with, it will have nothing in common with what I am doing other than the ability to accelerate, and that my friend is magic. 


Regards

Fair enough.


Brad
Title: Re: regenerative acceleration
Post by: hoptoad on July 07, 2016, 06:20:54 AM
  snip...
You think I am sharing because I want your opinion of my effort?  You think I want my illusions shattered?  I rather enjoy looking at the machines the way I do now, I am content with my view of how and why things are happening the way they are.  You are making that mistake again, in assuming that this is only about speeding up, it's about more than that, and my job is to stay true to myself, and my false (to you and a few others), ideas.  That being said....no...no description of my setup.  As I mentioned before, you can try your luck and may come up with something that does demonstrate speed up, but you cannot catch and derail this train, whatever you come up with, it will have nothing in common with what I am doing other than the ability to accelerate, and that my friend is magic.
Regards
Sad you feel this way.
I'm not assuming anything about your designs. But I am curious, and always open to learn something new. Hope you change your mind about sharing, wish you well in your own endeavors, nonetheless.
Cheers
Title: Re: regenerative acceleration
Post by: tinman on July 07, 2016, 02:35:47 PM
Sad you feel this way.
I'm not assuming anything about your designs. But I am curious, and always open to learn something new. Hope you change your mind about sharing, wish you well in your own endeavors, nonetheless.
Cheers

The only true way to confirm that air core coils(or any generating coil for that matter) alone are what is providing the acceleration under load,is to have them as a generator in a stand alone setup,where the generating coils are not also part of the motor,or placed within the motor coils magnetic field range.

First you run the motor(a DC brushed motor in this case) at a set RPM,and obtain the P/in for the motor.For example,the motor draws 5 watts of power free running, at say 3000 RPM.

Second-you couple the rotor(that houses the PMs) for the generator to the motor,and carry out your P/in measurement again. We may now have 5.2 watts of power being drawn from the motor.

Third-you place your stator coils in position-what ever that may be in regards to the rotor carrying the PMs. You once again carry out the power consumed by the motor. You are now surprised to see your motor is drawing 5.3 watts of power ???. Well even open copper/ali wound coils create eddy currents,much like just placing a sheet of copper or ali next to the spinning rotor,only your sheet is the coil windings.

Forth-short or place a load on the generating coils. If your motors consumption now go's down to a value equal or less than that of the first steps value(5 watts),which would mean also that the RPM is now equal or greater than 3000 RPM,only then have you really shown that the generating coils have actually done any work,and acceleration under load is truly an event caused by the shorted or loaded coils only.

What i have found,in every case where i have created the effect of speedup under load with low ohm air core coils,is that the shorted coils concentrate the magnetic fields of the drive coil's,so as to force more flux against the rotor magnets,and increase either the push or pull on those rotor magnets. So in essence,the shorted coils block the otherwise wasted magnetic flux produced by the motor coil's,and redirect that flux toward the desired direction--that being in the direction of the rotor magnets. You have just created bucking coils when the generator coils are shorted.

The only way to confirm that there is any free lunch,is to carry out steps 1 to 4 above.
If the shorted coils are incorporated  with the motor coils,the later would be found to be the case,as it was with my L.A.G.

That is my claim,and feel free (anyone) to prove me wrong.


Brad
Title: Re: regenerative acceleration
Post by: conradelektro on July 07, 2016, 09:11:17 PM
Time is too precious to be invested in trying to prove someone else is wrong, time is better spent investigating those paths that open up for you.  I personally have no interest in proving anything to anyone, nor disproving anything that anyone has said.  Look around you, how many ways did the Creator manifest the idea of a flower.  Its purpose is crystal clear, one would think that standardized form would have been enough.....that's how fools think....

Words come easy, hot air, a foul wind.

It is not so easy to come up with a real invention. Words are no substitute, just an excuse for having nothing.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: regenerative acceleration
Post by: conradelektro on July 08, 2016, 08:16:41 PM
@Erfinder:

As far as I understood your revelations, you are not prepared to disclose your wonderful invention. So, how can there be a dialogue?

I dislike Erfinders (self proclaimed inventors) who talk in riddles.

It is fine to guard a secrete. But to talk about a secrete without disclosure is totaly useless.

I have a secret, but I will not tell you. Sounds like a four year old.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: regenerative acceleration
Post by: Floor on July 08, 2016, 09:30:11 PM

I am going to say this one more time, because it seems the point keeps going over your head.  The point of my presentation was to demonstrate an alternative means for generating the acceleration effect using low resistance,  low inductance air coils.  Try and let that sink in.  My demonstration is not about investigating efficiency, which many of you people seem hell bent on,  I say fuck efficiency. 

           Well said ErFinder

                           floor
Title: Re: regenerative acceleration
Post by: life is illusion on July 09, 2016, 10:10:58 AM
Guys, I'm a bit confused because it seems like some of you are saying that acceleration under load is pointless and doesn't give us anything. So you mean acceleration under load and deceleration under load are almost similar and there are no differences between them? You really think acceleration under load has nothing to offer us? I am really shocked in here :D
Title: Re: regenerative acceleration
Post by: life is illusion on July 09, 2016, 02:05:19 PM
Thanks for replying :)
I'm sharing what I find because I have noticed that for some weird reason, when I share what I know or find, always someone or something will come along and will teach me new things :) I'm not sharing because I wanna change the world or help humanity and such. I believe majority of humans are a bunch of stupid sheep anyways, I would not waste a second on the average man. I'm just trying to learn, that's why I give what ever I find/have ^_^ Its funny when people say "there is no free lunch", because I have another device that does generate the free lunch. The when match the inductance of the input and output coils in my transformer, near the resonant frequency of the coils, the input of primary goes down to near zero, while the secondary starts giving actual power and lights up a 12v light bulb. So when I hear "there is no free lunch", I just instantly lose respect for the dude who says it. In here I heard that from people who I have been following long time on youtube and I'm simply gonna unsubscribe from their channels in youtube. So what I'm saying is that I have seen the OU transformer and I have it working in here, yes I do have it and it delivers real power, so when I hear lies and bullshit about OU, I'm just done with that dude. I'm not searching for OU, I have found it. I'm just searching for different methods to achieve OU. I simply don't give a damn if anyone believes this or not, not even slightly, but OU is possible, I have achieved it and the hell with anyone who says its not possible :D
Title: Re: regenerative acceleration
Post by: Temporal Visitor on July 09, 2016, 03:33:35 PM

There is something to be gained from the phenomena IF it is manifesting in a system of proper geometric and magnetic relation.  No system being demonstrated and or discussed meets this standard in my opinion.  Instead there is only talk of why the effect is useless, countless useless comparisons to the work of Thane Heins, and one or two demonstrations about how the effect can be produced with the wrong type of resonance.


In the end its up to you to decide whether there is anything to this phenomena or not.  Accept no ones dogma, find what you are looking for and run with it once you've found it.  Share what you are led to share.  I am almost positive that if you are able to appreciate the phenomena, once you start sharing your thoughts, no one is going to understand you anyway and as such, none are going to take your comments seriously.  That's your signal that you've either lost it, or you got something.

Hi Erfinder,

You write many things that have the ring of truth as I have come to "understand" things in the work done by myself. Seeing you write "in the end it's up to you" caused me to recall my own writing you can view here: http://www.backgauges.com/Gen-E-Sys%20II/power.html near the bottom of that page.

As one of probably many having done what you suggest; "find what you are looking for and run with it" - I concur; Yes proper geometric and magnetic relation can EFFECT acceleration, which gives rise to Nature to CAUSE manifestation of the phenomena to balance itself and ALL within it.

It's even more interesting having learned to "appreciate the phenomena" a bit deeper in that the magnetic aspect is not required at all.

Others would do well to ponder what is being accelerated as a starting point, then go backwards to where it came from and see what they will see: OR NOT .

Like yourself, I see no one discussing the reality of the underlying facts, facts no one can get around. Similarly I have said; Life is fragile and far to precious to waste even but a moment.
Title: Re: regenerative acceleration
Post by: gotoluc on July 10, 2016, 03:06:31 AM
Its funny when people say "there is no free lunch", because I have another device that does generate the free lunch. The when match the inductance of the input and output coils in my transformer, near the resonant frequency of the coils, the input of primary goes down to near zero, while the secondary starts giving actual power and lights up a 12v light bulb.

Please make a video demo of your OU transformer.

Kind regards

Luc
Title: Re: regenerative acceleration / Thane resurfaces on Linkedin
Post by: Here2njoy on August 03, 2017, 08:07:04 PM
Thane Heins resurfaces on linkedin with an article.
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/regenxtra-inc-autonomous-self-charging-electric-pdi-ceo-thane?published=t
Title: Re: regenerative acceleration
Post by: antijon on August 05, 2017, 07:59:49 PM
@ life is illusion:
Are you using a parallel resonant circuit but with a transformer ( and bulb on secondary ) as the inductor?

I wanted to test this eventually. Because a load on a transformer simply changes the inductance of the primary, it shouldn't be difficult to match a capacitor and make a tank circuit. Unless I'm missing something, the impedance should be high, but current should still be flowing in the secondary.
Title: Re: regenerative acceleration
Post by: doktorsvet on November 30, 2018, 08:25:42 AM

and if I say that Lentz has nothing to do with? But to get an increase, you just need to reduce the spatial loss to a minimum and collect a competent harness for recovery.


{а если я скажу, что ленц не причем? Но для получения прибавки  нужно просто уменьшить пространственные потери до минимума и собрать грамотную обвязку для рекуперации}  ;)
Title: Re: regenerative acceleration / Thane resurfaces on Linkedin
Post by: F6FLT on November 30, 2018, 11:18:09 AM

Thane Heins is fostering illusions in the public and among professionals when, in the best case scenario, it's only a way to possibly improve the efficiency of an electric motor. But remember that the best electric motors from the industry already exceed 95% efficiency.
Nothing indicates on the website of the McMaster University, which has partnerships with the automotive industry, that it supports the Thane Heins process, contrarily to what suggests Thane Heins.

http://www.ottawaskeptics.org/2008/05/04/121-in-this-town-we-obey-the-laws-of-thermodynamics/