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Offline tinman

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Re: regenerative acceleration
« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2016, 12:43:46 AM »

 
ok....

 
Why even concern yourself with why I think something is great or not?  I can and will think what I want about what I build, I don't need permission, nor approval, from anyone to think something I find and present is a good thing. 
 
Knock yourself out, build something, your effort will not be considered as a replication by me, as I haven't provided you with any details regarding my machine.  Your effort will be your attempt at replicating a vague presentation. 



Strange how easy something becomes after someone else demonstrates it.  Sure this stuff is easy, that's not the point though, my point was made.  The effect was demonstrated with low resistance, low inductance air core coils.  Like it or not, that was the point.  You nor no one else have demonstrated this, ergo my posting.  If it were demonstrated by you or another, there wouldn't have been a point in posting.
 
I thought about it.....no, I don't think I will be doing any kind of power measurements.  What would be the point in that, the purpose of the demonstration was clear.  When the time comes to make a presentation regarding input vs output, no data will be collected.  One thing rings true on all of these platforms, there is no standard for proper measurement, everyone and I do mean everyone has a problem with the way things are measured.  Since its impossible to please any one individual, might as well be ignored by all.  If the demonstrations are thought provoking enough, they won't be ignored long.
 
You think I am sharing because I want your opinion of my effort?  You think I want my illusions shattered?  I rather enjoy looking at the machines the way I do now, I am content with my view of how and why things are happening the way they are.  You are making that mistake again, in assuming that this is only about speeding up, it's about more than that, and my job is to stay true to myself, and my false (to you and a few others), ideas.  That being said....no...no description of my setup.  As I mentioned before, you can try your luck and may come up with something that does demonstrate speed up, but you cannot catch and derail this train, whatever you come up with, it will have nothing in common with what I am doing other than the ability to accelerate, and that my friend is magic. 


Regards

Fair enough.


Brad

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Re: regenerative acceleration
« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2016, 12:43:46 AM »

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Re: regenerative acceleration
« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2016, 06:20:54 AM »
  snip...
You think I am sharing because I want your opinion of my effort?  You think I want my illusions shattered?  I rather enjoy looking at the machines the way I do now, I am content with my view of how and why things are happening the way they are.  You are making that mistake again, in assuming that this is only about speeding up, it's about more than that, and my job is to stay true to myself, and my false (to you and a few others), ideas.  That being said....no...no description of my setup.  As I mentioned before, you can try your luck and may come up with something that does demonstrate speed up, but you cannot catch and derail this train, whatever you come up with, it will have nothing in common with what I am doing other than the ability to accelerate, and that my friend is magic.
Regards
Sad you feel this way.
I'm not assuming anything about your designs. But I am curious, and always open to learn something new. Hope you change your mind about sharing, wish you well in your own endeavors, nonetheless.
Cheers

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Re: regenerative acceleration
« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2016, 02:35:47 PM »
Sad you feel this way.
I'm not assuming anything about your designs. But I am curious, and always open to learn something new. Hope you change your mind about sharing, wish you well in your own endeavors, nonetheless.
Cheers

The only true way to confirm that air core coils(or any generating coil for that matter) alone are what is providing the acceleration under load,is to have them as a generator in a stand alone setup,where the generating coils are not also part of the motor,or placed within the motor coils magnetic field range.

First you run the motor(a DC brushed motor in this case) at a set RPM,and obtain the P/in for the motor.For example,the motor draws 5 watts of power free running, at say 3000 RPM.

Second-you couple the rotor(that houses the PMs) for the generator to the motor,and carry out your P/in measurement again. We may now have 5.2 watts of power being drawn from the motor.

Third-you place your stator coils in position-what ever that may be in regards to the rotor carrying the PMs. You once again carry out the power consumed by the motor. You are now surprised to see your motor is drawing 5.3 watts of power ???. Well even open copper/ali wound coils create eddy currents,much like just placing a sheet of copper or ali next to the spinning rotor,only your sheet is the coil windings.

Forth-short or place a load on the generating coils. If your motors consumption now go's down to a value equal or less than that of the first steps value(5 watts),which would mean also that the RPM is now equal or greater than 3000 RPM,only then have you really shown that the generating coils have actually done any work,and acceleration under load is truly an event caused by the shorted or loaded coils only.

What i have found,in every case where i have created the effect of speedup under load with low ohm air core coils,is that the shorted coils concentrate the magnetic fields of the drive coil's,so as to force more flux against the rotor magnets,and increase either the push or pull on those rotor magnets. So in essence,the shorted coils block the otherwise wasted magnetic flux produced by the motor coil's,and redirect that flux toward the desired direction--that being in the direction of the rotor magnets. You have just created bucking coils when the generator coils are shorted.

The only way to confirm that there is any free lunch,is to carry out steps 1 to 4 above.
If the shorted coils are incorporated  with the motor coils,the later would be found to be the case,as it was with my L.A.G.

That is my claim,and feel free (anyone) to prove me wrong.


Brad

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Re: regenerative acceleration
« Reply #17 on: July 07, 2016, 02:35:47 PM »
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Offline conradelektro

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Re: regenerative acceleration
« Reply #18 on: July 07, 2016, 09:11:17 PM »
Time is too precious to be invested in trying to prove someone else is wrong, time is better spent investigating those paths that open up for you.  I personally have no interest in proving anything to anyone, nor disproving anything that anyone has said.  Look around you, how many ways did the Creator manifest the idea of a flower.  Its purpose is crystal clear, one would think that standardized form would have been enough.....that's how fools think....

Words come easy, hot air, a foul wind.

It is not so easy to come up with a real invention. Words are no substitute, just an excuse for having nothing.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: regenerative acceleration
« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2016, 08:16:41 PM »
@Erfinder:

As far as I understood your revelations, you are not prepared to disclose your wonderful invention. So, how can there be a dialogue?

I dislike Erfinders (self proclaimed inventors) who talk in riddles.

It is fine to guard a secrete. But to talk about a secrete without disclosure is totaly useless.

I have a secret, but I will not tell you. Sounds like a four year old.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: regenerative acceleration
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Offline Floor

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Re: regenerative acceleration
« Reply #20 on: July 08, 2016, 09:30:11 PM »

I am going to say this one more time, because it seems the point keeps going over your head.  The point of my presentation was to demonstrate an alternative means for generating the acceleration effect using low resistance,  low inductance air coils.  Try and let that sink in.  My demonstration is not about investigating efficiency, which many of you people seem hell bent on,  I say fuck efficiency. 

           Well said ErFinder

                           floor

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Re: regenerative acceleration
« Reply #21 on: July 09, 2016, 10:10:58 AM »
Guys, I'm a bit confused because it seems like some of you are saying that acceleration under load is pointless and doesn't give us anything. So you mean acceleration under load and deceleration under load are almost similar and there are no differences between them? You really think acceleration under load has nothing to offer us? I am really shocked in here :D

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Re: regenerative acceleration
« Reply #22 on: July 09, 2016, 02:05:19 PM »
Thanks for replying :)
I'm sharing what I find because I have noticed that for some weird reason, when I share what I know or find, always someone or something will come along and will teach me new things :) I'm not sharing because I wanna change the world or help humanity and such. I believe majority of humans are a bunch of stupid sheep anyways, I would not waste a second on the average man. I'm just trying to learn, that's why I give what ever I find/have ^_^ Its funny when people say "there is no free lunch", because I have another device that does generate the free lunch. The when match the inductance of the input and output coils in my transformer, near the resonant frequency of the coils, the input of primary goes down to near zero, while the secondary starts giving actual power and lights up a 12v light bulb. So when I hear "there is no free lunch", I just instantly lose respect for the dude who says it. In here I heard that from people who I have been following long time on youtube and I'm simply gonna unsubscribe from their channels in youtube. So what I'm saying is that I have seen the OU transformer and I have it working in here, yes I do have it and it delivers real power, so when I hear lies and bullshit about OU, I'm just done with that dude. I'm not searching for OU, I have found it. I'm just searching for different methods to achieve OU. I simply don't give a damn if anyone believes this or not, not even slightly, but OU is possible, I have achieved it and the hell with anyone who says its not possible :D

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Re: regenerative acceleration
« Reply #23 on: July 09, 2016, 03:33:35 PM »

There is something to be gained from the phenomena IF it is manifesting in a system of proper geometric and magnetic relation.  No system being demonstrated and or discussed meets this standard in my opinion.  Instead there is only talk of why the effect is useless, countless useless comparisons to the work of Thane Heins, and one or two demonstrations about how the effect can be produced with the wrong type of resonance.


In the end its up to you to decide whether there is anything to this phenomena or not.  Accept no ones dogma, find what you are looking for and run with it once you've found it.  Share what you are led to share.  I am almost positive that if you are able to appreciate the phenomena, once you start sharing your thoughts, no one is going to understand you anyway and as such, none are going to take your comments seriously.  That's your signal that you've either lost it, or you got something.

Hi Erfinder,

You write many things that have the ring of truth as I have come to "understand" things in the work done by myself. Seeing you write "in the end it's up to you" caused me to recall my own writing you can view here: http://www.backgauges.com/Gen-E-Sys%20II/power.html near the bottom of that page.

As one of probably many having done what you suggest; "find what you are looking for and run with it" - I concur; Yes proper geometric and magnetic relation can EFFECT acceleration, which gives rise to Nature to CAUSE manifestation of the phenomena to balance itself and ALL within it.

It's even more interesting having learned to "appreciate the phenomena" a bit deeper in that the magnetic aspect is not required at all.

Others would do well to ponder what is being accelerated as a starting point, then go backwards to where it came from and see what they will see: OR NOT .

Like yourself, I see no one discussing the reality of the underlying facts, facts no one can get around. Similarly I have said; Life is fragile and far to precious to waste even but a moment.

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Re: regenerative acceleration
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Re: regenerative acceleration
« Reply #24 on: July 10, 2016, 03:06:31 AM »
Its funny when people say "there is no free lunch", because I have another device that does generate the free lunch. The when match the inductance of the input and output coils in my transformer, near the resonant frequency of the coils, the input of primary goes down to near zero, while the secondary starts giving actual power and lights up a 12v light bulb.

Please make a video demo of your OU transformer.

Kind regards

Luc

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Re: regenerative acceleration
« Reply #26 on: August 05, 2017, 07:59:49 PM »
@ life is illusion:
Are you using a parallel resonant circuit but with a transformer ( and bulb on secondary ) as the inductor?

I wanted to test this eventually. Because a load on a transformer simply changes the inductance of the primary, it shouldn't be difficult to match a capacitor and make a tank circuit. Unless I'm missing something, the impedance should be high, but current should still be flowing in the secondary.

 

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