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regenerative acceleration
« on: July 02, 2016, 01:31:51 AM »
Hello everyone  :)
I'm not so active in this page, so I am not sure if such a generator has been built and if there are discussions about these types of generators.
As you can see in the video, I have been able to gain RPM under load, but unlike Thane Heins's method, this generator can produce the regenerative acceleration effect at almost any RPM with any coil inductance. I got the idea from JLN labs, so all the credits go to the admin of that page.

 This method works by leaving some distance between the magnets and tip of the solenoid. This gives me the idea that if we use smaller rotors in for instance, permanent magnet generators of wind or hydro generators, we could very simply go around Lenz's law. From what I have seen in my experiences, about 5-10mm distance will do the trick. Meaning that the rotor of generator should be replaced by a second rotor which has 10-20mm smaller diameter than the main rotor. I have not tested this idea, so I am not sure at all. I do have different size brushless motors and if I find the time, I will install the rotor of a smaller motor into a bigger motor and test this idea. I will not bother about arguing this topic with certain known individuals in this page, but if you have constructive opinions, I will be glad to hear about it. I hope you enjoy the vid ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCFak6CYzIQ
« Last Edit: July 02, 2016, 09:20:41 AM by life is illusion »

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Re: regenerative acceleration
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2016, 06:21:51 PM »
I would like to help you save time and resources by offering you the two videos I made (below) which demonstrate what cause the effect you are observing.

Basically the steel nuts and bolts you are using is the worst kind of generator core material you can use. They cause Eddy currents and have much Hysteresis which holds magnetic flux in the core.
In this scenario when such a generator coil is placed under load or is shorted it will help demagnetize the core which reduces the Hysteresis effect which in turn reduces the strain on the motor turning the rotor.
However, there is no free lunch here as your motor is using more power then it should to turn the magnet rotor with steel bolts as cores. Try replacing your bolt with a Ferrite core which has low Hysteresis and the effect will be gone and your input power will be much less and your output power may be more as I demonstrate in my second video.

Just trying to help since I've got years of testing this.

Luc

Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr3x0xTqM_k

Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYGM4UlnqTM
« Last Edit: July 02, 2016, 08:23:03 PM by gotoluc »

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Re: regenerative acceleration
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2016, 07:46:09 PM »
Hi Luc,
Thanks for taking your time and commenting, I really appreciate it :)
I'm probably gonna sound ignorant and I hope you forgive me for that, cuz I'm just trying to learn.
As it is possible to see in my video, I'm turning on a incandescent 12v light bulb. Its a pure resistive load and as you mentioned in your video, it shows real power is being used. I'm sure the light bulb was not getting 12v, but it was not getting millivolts either like the results shown in your video. The rotor speeds up even when only the light bulb is used and all other coils were left open. By closing the other two coils, the rpm increased even more.
Also lets keep in mind that each core of coil in this configuration will not only attract the magnets towards itself, it will actually push it away. This means the core drag is not present anymore. I think what we should notice is the fact that I have only 3 coils in this generator. By increasing the number of coils, lets say to 12, we will get to turn on 12 incandescent light bulbs while each bulb will cause the rotor to spin faster, which will translate to less power being consumed by the prime mover.

My points are:
_ No generator has one or 3 coils, they usually have more poles than that.
_ The 12v ligh bulb turn on, causes the RPM to increase and drops the power consumption of prime mover.

So bigger rotating wheel, more cores and coils and more resistive loads will give us what we are searching for: More out than what we put in :)

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Sam

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Re: regenerative acceleration
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2016, 08:19:20 PM »
I edited my post above as I forgot to write: "when such a generator coil is placed under load or is shorted"  it will cause the effect you are observing.

Originally I had the same thoughts as you. More coils more power out but the reality is, the more bolt core coils you add the more power you will needed to input to the motor to keep the magnet rotor turning. It's a loosing battle as the generators output power will never exceed the input power if you are using bolt core generator coils.
If you measure the power that appears to be deliver for free, you will find it is less then the power it takes from the input to introduce that bolt coil.

You can reverse test this by removing one bolt coil of your 3 coils at a time by connecting an amp meter between one of your motor wires and you will see the motor will use less and less amps as you remove the bolt coils.

Wishing you all the best

Luc
« Last Edit: July 03, 2016, 01:40:10 AM by gotoluc »

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Re: regenerative acceleration
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2016, 08:24:34 PM »
The reason that RPM increases is that the cores start pushing the magnets away, this means the core drag decreases, at least I think so :)

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Re: regenerative acceleration
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2016, 02:22:01 AM »
Before you do the reverse test of removing one bolt generator coil at a time as I suggested above, make sure to also take note of your battery Voltage (with motor turning) with all three coils in place and take note of the voltage as you remove each bolt gen coil.
Now you should have three Volts and Amp sample of each scenario and be able to calculate the input power (in watts) of how much each bolt gen coil loads down the input.
Next, take your amp meter and select AC Amp setting and connect it across one of the wires of your last gen coil while under load and also measure the voltage across the load with the meter on AC volts.
Now multiply your input battery voltage with the Amps (average if you wish) you measured when removing each bolt coil.
(example) input battery voltage was 12.32vdc x 0.42 amps = 5.3 Watts
Then do the same with what you measured on the load (example)  6.5vac x 0.32 ac amps = 2 Watts

By doing this math and comparing Watts In with Watts Out you will realize the apparent free output even if you add the input watts reduction when gen coil is on load, your Watts out will be less then the cost of Watts in to introduce a bolt core gen coil.

I'm not trying to discourage you but rather help you get to the real results sooner as I have been down that path.

Wishing you all the best with your experiments

Luc

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Re: regenerative acceleration
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2016, 01:54:02 PM »
Dear Luc and dear Erfinder,
Thank you for commenting.
As I mentioned in the video, this model was my first prototype and I believe was lucky to be able to observe the acceleration under load thingy in my first try ^_^
This experiment showed me that phase shift is possible and to me this is a very good news :D
Core drag is always present in average generators. But when put on load, their rpm drops and they start consuming more power. I believe AUL systems don't have that problem and I think that's a great news. I will use the results of this test (possibility of phase shift) in future experiments :)

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Sam

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Re: regenerative acceleration
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2016, 03:15:03 PM »
Oh, I also think only because we are searching for OU, that doesn't mean we should discard more efficient generators. I think Generators which are capable of doing AUL are much more efficient than our average generators :)

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Re: regenerative acceleration
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2016, 08:47:54 PM »
Thanks Erfinder for posting your comments and video demo.

Your years of research has evolved to not using any core material, which is what one ultimately want.

Will user life is illusion be able to achieve this leap?

What I was trying to point out is, using a steel bolt as core easily demonstrates the effect but is a loosing battle if you keep building on this direction.

As you point out and I agree, Phase Shift is of importance and I think life is illusion is on to it.

So, what's going on in a steel core when the coil is distanced away from the magnet rotor?
Is there a way to create the same effect using air coils only?... there must be since you demonstrate it!
Could a delay line help?

Many things to think about ;)

Luc



 

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Re: regenerative acceleration
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Re: regenerative acceleration
« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2016, 07:42:01 AM »
snip...
Listen to your machine, many have been down this and similar roads, most come up empty handed, and eventually bash the concept.  There is a boat load to be learned from this concept, you simply need to have an open mind, tons of patients, and dedication to "your" cause. 
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I learned how to do this by ignoring what people say, and focusing on what the machine demonstrates,  and dictates.
Regards
Good advice. Good demo, looking forward to more info on your experiments with air cores.
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Re: regenerative acceleration
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2016, 12:31:21 PM »
An interesting video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_Z2-3dKQvI

Sorry Luc,but that bloke is full of crap,and has no idea what he is talking about--nor has he(or anyone else) presented a self running romag--after all this time.

It would also seem that some have fallen for the same effect with the air core coil's ::)
There is simply no magic happening with speed up under load--even with air core coils.
Think about the air core coils speed up under  load effect a bit--i bet you can work out what is happening there-if you think hard enough ;)--but there is no free lunch :(


Brad

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Re: regenerative acceleration
« Reply #12 on: July 05, 2016, 01:28:31 PM »
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 ;) --but there is no free lunch :(
Brad
Sad but true.  :-[
But sometimes the power/rpm/torque curves might be quite salivating. (I'm thinking more along the line of motors.)
Especially if you're thinking speed car racing! Weight to power ratio etc. High end torque when you need it ?
Cheers

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Re: regenerative acceleration
« Reply #13 on: July 06, 2016, 02:14:48 PM »

As I am the first on this thread to demonstrate the effect with air core, and have yet to find any other thread where a discussion is taking place where an air core system is used to produce the effect, I must presume that "some" is a reference to me.  That being said, I feel it necessary to inform you that I can't count the number of  times I have jumped into a conversation and ended up putting my foot in my mouth, for the record, this is what you are doing right now.  You have no idea what's going on in my demo.  It is not wise of you to make a generalization which you assume applies to my machines, it does not.  The description of my video specifically states :


"Introducing an unconventional means of creating the condition of acceleration in a generator under load, in an air core system."


Thought went into that description!  It was my hope that this simple statement would be enough for those skilled in how not to do things, (how they are presently practiced) to understand that my method has nothing in common with the collectively agreed upon approach other than the name given the demonstrated effect.

 
I am not here to discuss magic.....The speed up effect has one cause, a cause which I have found is the common denominator between the way to nowhere, and the method I have "tripped" over, (I put it this way because no one takes you seriously if you don't support what you say with scope shots and proper measurement data....(for the record, I'm not talking to those folk, I am reaching out to those in the community who have the capacity to turn that part of their brain off.)  I am beginning to recognize the superiority that air has over iron, and from this am almost certain that the future will belong to those who master air core technology. Effects we have experienced only in iron core systems showing up in air core systems is an indication that we missed something, something of paramount significance.  The fact that you haven't demonstrated anything in this direction indicates that you missed it too, not a big deal till it's a big deal...   
 

This isn't a challenge, I am not asking anyone to think hard about anything.  This is me a nobody informing a room full of like minded, that the effect that they are excited about can be produced using what others have said is impossible, namely, low resistance, low inductance, air core coils.  So think all you want, you may figure out one or two things, but you won't catch and derail this train. 


If and when I desire to discuss gain I will, when I decide to do so.  I choose my words carefully, gain was not the subject of my demonstration.  To reiterate, the purpose of my demo was to demonstrate what can be done with a low resistance, low inductance air core coil....period! 
 
Yes there is, you and others preaching the contrary doesn't make your view true.  Here is truth as I see it, the things we build are aligned with the laws of men, laws based on what?  Where the laws we observe and adhere to based on Natural law as it is provided to us by Nature, every lunch would be free.....


My intent was/is to protect myself and my interest, if I offended you in any way, I ask you to forgive me.  I felt offended, result... my defensive posture.
 


Regards

Erfinder

I would have to agree with you--i do not know quite how your design is set up.
Best i can make out,is the motor seems to be some sort of pulse motor?.

What i am saying is,i do not understand as to why you think this is such a great thing?.
What you show,can be easily replicated,and reasons given as to why--yes,even with air core coils,as i have done many times in the past.

Perhaps you have something different going on,but if from a pulse motor perspective,then air core generating coils can be quite easy made so as the motor will speed up under load.

Will you be doing any kind of power measurement's,and sharing with us here?--that would be great to see.
It would also help if we had a description of your setup,so as we could look at what and why things are happening the way they are.


Brad

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Re: regenerative acceleration
« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2016, 10:54:29 PM »
Here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAXQBpuLu68 I show a generator speeding up under load.

A coil (also an air core coil) always has a certain amount of self-capacitance. The inductance of a coil and its self-capacitance form an LC circuit ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LC_circuit ).

If the generator coil is excited at its resonance frequency (at the resonance frequency of this de facto LC circuit), or at a sub-harmonic of it, the generator speeds up in comparison to the turning speed below or above this resonance frequency (or a harmonic of it) under the same load.

My video shows this and the description explains it.

Greetings, Conrad

 

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