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### Author Topic: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields  (Read 58112 times)

#### ZL

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##### Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« on: June 29, 2016, 07:37:07 PM »
Let’s use this thread to discuss free energy devices and their working principles, which are based on generating excess energy from electromagnetic waves. Those who know a little bit of physics (or even better, about radio wave propagation, or acoustics) have surely heard about the superposition of waves, which is also called interference. This is the basic principle of excess energy generation in wave fields. The nature offers it to us on a silver platter, ready for exploitation, if there were only enough serious people to notice, and take it.

The coherent waves of identical frequency and polarization propagating in the same direction behave in a very peculiar manner when they meet. Their individual amplitudes will be added together and the amplitude of the resultant wave will be the sum of the input waves’ amplitudes. If we use the following notation for this post:

Er – amplitude of the electric field intensity of the resultant wave
E1 – amplitude of the electric field intensity of the first input wave
E2 – amplitude of the electric field intensity of the second input wave
P – power of the wave

then the amplitude of the resultant wave can be calculated as:

Er = E1+E2.

Why is this peculiar? Because according to the law of energy conservation this should not be so! If we would want to enforce the validity of this fictitious “law”, then the amplitude of the resultant wave supposed to be the square root of the sum of the input-amplitudes-squared. This may sound a bit complicated written as text, so let me write it as a formula in a more compact form:

Er = Sqr(E12+E22) which is of course wrong, because nature does not behave this way.

Nature likes the first formula better, which should be exciting news (or old, but unrecognized fact) for the free energy researchers, and for everybody else as well. Why is this so exciting and liberating? Because, the energy content of wave is proportional to the amplitude squared P ~ E2; instead of being linearly proportional to the amplitude only. When two waves meet and merge into one resultant wave then the energy of the output wave can be calculated this way:

Pr ~ Er2
Pr ~ (E1+E2)2
Pr ~ E12+E22+2E1E2

The E12 is the power of the first input wave
The E22 is the power of the second input wave

Therefore, the law of energy and power conservation would be valid only, if these two components would exist only, and there would be no third component. But due to the rules of mathematics there is this third “magic” power component of the resultant wave, the 2E1E2, which represents the excess free energy or power that nature offers us for utilization. This is a brilliant example of a gem hidden in plain sight, what nobody seems to notice, because it is there for everybody to see, but nobody cares.

Janos Vajda a Hungarian electrical civil engineer who worked in radio locator development for the military forces has recognized this already in the second part of the twentieth century, and has written a thorough scientific paper, proving the existence of excess energy when electromagnetic waves are superposed. This paper has been printed in 1998 as a booklet titled “AZ ENERGIATÉTEL SÉRÜLÉSE HULLÁMTEREKBEN”, (in English: VIOLATION OF THE LAW OF ENERGY CONSERVATION IN WAVE FIELDS). The English translation of the book can be downloaded from my website for free.

The book is a scientific paper, and not a very easy reading for most people, but there is a simplified explanation of its content on my website for the general public as well. Based on the book, some researchers might think that it is only theory, which has nothing to do with the practice, but nothing is further from the truth.

Mr. Vajda has recognized the natural and spontaneous generation of this excess energy in practice first, then he went on to prove its existence in theory as well, and then finally returned again to the practice, to use it in free energy generators. He has invented a free energy generator based on this principle, and applied for a Hungarian patent P96 01424 titled “Berendezés többletenergia előállítására és hasznosítására elektromágneses hullámoknál.” (in English: “Apparatus for Producing and Utilizing Excess Energy with Electromagnetic Waves”).

As you would expect with real free energy inventions, the patent application was denied. Mr. Vajda sued the patent office, and lost the court case. Then he appealed to the Supreme Court, but after many years of fight, which also consumed a lot of money, he has been cheated again, and lost that court case as well. A more comprehensive story about this can be read on my website, from where you can also download the original Hungarian patent application for free.

For those who would like to read an English translation of the patent application, it can be ordered on this page:

The Patent Application HU9601424A2 of Janos Vajda
„Apparatus for Producing and Utilizing Excess Energy with Electromagnetic Waves”

https://feprinciples.wordpress.com/the-patent-application-hu9601424a2-of-janos-vajda/

The website has been recently updated, some images added, text changed, and this new article added. It can be reached via the following domain names as well (although only as redirect, for now):

http://feprinciples.tk
http://freeenergyprinciples.tk

New content will be added periodically as time and resources permit, so stay tuned, and check back for future updates.

There is a related old thread on this forum at:
http://overunity.com/3068/the-return-of-the-hungarian-free-energy-from-wave-fields/#.V3P-dU-uAtU

with an inappropriate title, and a lot of unnecessary guess work, so it is better to start this new thread and perhaps a new category of FE devices/principles.

The excess energy generating principle of wave superposition or interference is not applicable only to electromagnetic waves, but also to any type of waves. It can be used for the design of acoustic FE devices (which was my focus for some years), using the medium of gasses, liquids, or even solids. It is applicable to the surface waves of liquids as well, like that of the ocean waves. The title of this thread attempts to limit this discussion to electromagnetic waves, only in order to focus the subject into manageable channels, and not to scatter our attention too much. New threads can be opened for the other similar categories of wave fields when sufficient interest emerges.

Zoltán Losonc

#### FatBird

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##### Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2016, 12:08:20 AM »
Please post a schematic or wiring diagram.
Or post a Link so we can see a schematic or wiring diagram.

Thank you.
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#### ZL

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##### Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2016, 09:07:53 AM »
Thanks for letting me know, that the link for downloading the original patent application was broken on my web page. It has been fixed now.

There is not only one Figure, but 14 of them, because the device has got several alternative variants.
Few sample figures can be viewed on the page:

https://feprinciples.wordpress.com/the-patent-application-hu9601424a2-of-janos-vajda/

https://feprinciples.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/hu9601424a2.pdf

Of course, they can be found in the English version as well...

#### forest

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##### Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2016, 06:55:34 PM »
Post video of working device like Kapanadze did

#### ZL

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##### Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2016, 09:20:14 PM »
Forest,

Are you giving me orders what I should do?
Because this post of yours is doing exactly that… Where is the magic word “please”?

And, by the way, even after I have described in detail which principle generates excess energy in our systems, you proudly contradicted it with this comment of yours (in the other thread):

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„The excess of energy is never the interference of fields, it's the excess of magnetic field generated by whatever reason which by induction is converted to electric power - is the source.”

Now my friend, if you know these things better than Janos and me, then what do you want with the video? You don’t need it! You can just simply put your genius into practice, build your own favorite FE generator, and make your own video.

Also, please don’t compare our work with that of Kapanadze! It’s like comparing apples to oranges. Our stuff is real, while the Kapanadze sensation is a well organized disinfo campaign perpetuated by the energy cartel. Just like the Milkovic pump with the double oscillator, and the recent high profile scam of Keshe.

To everybody:
I have promised to post the video, and I keep my promises. Just there were more important things to finish first, like the translation of the patent, and some other research that is going on in the background, which is not publicized. The video I intended to post is about 1h 15’ long, and about 3.5GB size. Not exactly for Youtube. Not by its content, and not by its size either.

If I would post the whole thing on Youtube, a brick might fall on my head while walking on the street… So I will make a short clip that shows some useful information, and create subs to translate the Hungarian speech for Youtube. Those who want the complete video with English subs should order it from me on DVD, but that will not be free. I am not giving away my work for free anymore on this project, because then I would end up broke and could not share any more info with the serious people, who are willing to put their money where their mouth is. And the only reason for my presence here and generally on the internet is to give useful information to those select few, who take this subject seriously enough to invest their work and money into it. Nothing of value is really free, someone has to pay for it. Those who are looking for free entertainment and hobby can continue to enjoy the show of Kapanadze, Milkovic, and Keshe.

#### rakarskiy

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##### Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2017, 12:31:10 PM »

Fuelless power generator in the palm

Translation from Russian: From the description below the video
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To any appreciable amount of energy we had to cross the Helmholtz coil Tesla coil.
As a result, an alternative energy source prototype was built for the mobile phone.
The oscillation circuit has a distributed capacitance, so do not need capacitors. Capacitors for trimming system, Baluns, most of these schemes with the exception of.
In order to activate the desired primary pulse generator, but I deliberately refused from the auxiliary power source to the magneto to an auxiliary source of energy is not suspicious.
Тhe electrical circuit removes power from the circuit-switched portions and converts it into direct current.
Free energy generator can operate on different types of loads.
To demonstrate the operation of the generator as a charging device, a standard USB connector is enclosed in charge.
The prototype generates a current of 150 mA at a voltage of 5 volts. If such a generator in order to make a more compact and integrated into a mobile phone or a tablet, it can be used for charging the clock.

#### Zephir

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• Posts: 381
##### Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2017, 09:46:10 PM »
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The energy content of wave is proportional to the amplitude squared P ~ E^2. When two waves meet and merge in constructive interference, their amplitude will be doubled, so that their energy will get P ~ E1^2+E2^2+2E1*E2
Thank you Zoltan for your interesting input! But it also means, that if we put a light impulse between two parallel mirrors, i.e. the resonator, then the energy should attenuate itself during each reflection followed with constructive interference ad infinitum. Which is apparently what doesn't happen there.

Analogously, if I would split a laser beam and then merge the wo beams together in phase, then we will have constructive interference everywhere. But if their fields are summed their power is multiplied by 4. How do we get 4 times the energy from merging two beams?

The answer is, the beams are coming in from different directions, if they aren't actually the same beam. That inevitably leads to a mixture of constructive and destructive interference. That means, during constructive interference of two waves the energy gets really amplified in certain direction(s), but it also gets attenuated in another ones, with the overall result obeying conservation of energy.

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The skeptics might say that the above determined violations of the energy conservation are valid only locally for that small volume. But since in practical cases it is not possible to satisfy the same conditions for the whole space at the same time, the relative phase relationships would change significantly for different coordinates of the space. Therefore while gaining excess of energy in some places, we would lose the same amount at other places, and if the total energy balance would be calculated for the whole space, then the law of energy conservation would remain valid. This explanation is, however wrong and it can be disproved easily with careful and exact calculations even for practical cases, as Mr. Vajda has done it in his study Energy_From_Wave_Fields_1.2.pdf

Nope, it's (nearly) perfectly correct and it can be demonstrated with simple physical simulations.

#### telecom

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• Posts: 560
##### Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2017, 06:35:12 PM »
Thank you Zoltan for your interesting input! But it also means, that if we put a light impulse between two parallel mirrors, i.e. the resonator, then the energy should attenuate itself during each reflection followed with constructive interference ad infinitum. Which is apparently what doesn't happen there.

Analogously, if I would split a laser beam and then merge the wo beams together in phase, then we will have constructive interference everywhere. But if their fields are summed their power is multiplied by 4. How do we get 4 times the energy from merging two beams?

The answer is, the beams are coming in from different directions, if they aren't actually the same beam. That inevitably leads to a mixture of constructive and destructive interference. That means, during constructive interference of two waves the energy gets really amplified in certain direction(s), but it also gets attenuated in another ones, with the overall result obeying conservation of energy.

Nope, it's (nearly) perfectly correct and it can be demonstrated with simple physical simulations.

Hi, can you please elaborate on how it can be demonstrated?
I don't mind trying this, if its not too  hard.

#### telecom

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##### Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2017, 06:36:33 PM »

Fuelless power generator in the palm

Translation from Russian: From the description below the video

I couldn't find the actual description of making this, do you know where?
Thanks

#### Zephir

• Sr. Member
• Posts: 381
##### Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2017, 11:14:14 PM »
Hi, can you please elaborate on how it can be demonstrated?
I don't mind trying this, if its not too  hard.

#### telecom

• Hero Member
• Posts: 560
##### Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #10 on: February 14, 2017, 11:39:19 PM »

Works well for one string.
How do I add a second string oscillations to combine them?

#### rakarskiy

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• Posts: 924
##### Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2017, 07:57:53 AM »
I couldn't find the actual description of making this, do you know where?
Thanks
Unfortunately, I do not speak enough English to communicate.
Translation mechanical.  Page author http://oldoctober.com/ru/fuelless_generator/

http://oldoctober.com/pics/energy/fuelless_generator/06.jpg

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As a child, I was addicted to the construction of the radio detector. E was expensive, and not all of them can be easily found on sale.
The first variable capacitor (variable capacitor capacitance) I made of tin from a tin can. Experimenting with a coil, a capacitor and germanium diodes, I was able to get a strange effect.
At some point, the volume of the headphone signal increased dramatically. Thus, after disconnecting the antenna signal level, it is still quite high. Quickly connect the antenna to the receiver, which leads to increased signal receiver.
Friends and parents were surprised and advised to take this miracle to school to show the teacher of physics. However, attempts to turn upon a fixed receiver in a portable embodiment, the effect disappears, then it was unable to obtain.
A year ago, I returned to the subject and tried to implement such a project is based on a modern element base and the effect described above.
Indeed, in order to get enough that a significant amount of energy needed to connect effect: Rings + Helmholtz coil Tesla.
As a result, alternative energy source, the prototype was built for a mobile phone.
An oscillating circuit has a capping inductors, so that a capacitor is not necessary, in addition to the circuit system of coordination.
In order to activate the desired primary pulse generator, but I deliberately refused to deliver an additional channel for charitable purposes Magneto that the auxiliary source of energy is not suspicious.
Schematic diagram robs energy from the circuit switched domains, and converts it into direct current.
To demonstrate the operation of the generator as a battery charger, standard USB socket has been set wages.
The prototype generates a current of 150 mA at 5 V voltage. If we do the same, and more compact generator is installed in a mobile phone or tablet, it can be used indefinitely for the battery charging.

Since December 2015, Moscow Seeker CE Alexander Mishin offered medical devices based on capacitive switching flat bifilar Tesla Coil. Switched capacitor coil with sinusoidal alternating current as a result emits electrical, electromagnetic and caisson. Since the end of 2015, there is evidence of successful treatment of individual cases and the lack of treatment effect.

For example bifilar coil included in the circuit as a capacitor. Served voltage 12V 0.5A AC. On the free ends of the bifilar coil is measured by 600V AC. The current in the circuit is not changed for the field, it's amazing.

« Last Edit: February 15, 2017, 10:36:00 AM by rakarskiy »

#### ZL

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• Posts: 95
##### Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2017, 11:01:13 AM »
The answer is, the beams are coming in from different directions, if they aren't actually the same beam. That inevitably leads to a mixture of constructive and destructive interference. That means, during constructive interference of two waves the energy gets really amplified in certain direction(s), but it also gets attenuated in another ones, with the overall result obeying conservation of energy.

Nope, it's (nearly) perfectly correct and it can be demonstrated with simple physical simulations.

Nope, it has been mathematically and scientifically proven in Mr. Vajda’s book that the law of energy conservation can be violated in wave fields. Obviously you have either not read the book, and/or you could not understand it. Whichever the case is, it makes your comment just an arrogant and incompetent personal opinion. You are only replaying a broken record like an old gramophone. If you want to debunk the principle, then you have to point out exactly where the error is in Mr. Vajda’s book which proves, that the law of energy conservation has no general validity in wave fields.

#### ZL

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• Posts: 95
##### Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2017, 11:25:09 AM »
Works well for one string.
How do I add a second string oscillations to combine them?

Telecom, my advice is: don’t waste your time on that nonsense! It is not that simple. You can not produce the phenomenon on a simple sting driven at one end :-)) This is a serious subject that you can not grasp and realize in practice unless you learn the necessary prerequisite knowledge. If you are serious about your intent to invest time and effort in this research, then send me a PM and I will let you know where to start, what to learn, and which experiments to perform.

About the fuelless generator posted by rakarskiy, that is almost certainly a hoax to deceive, and spread disinformation. It has nothing to do with this thread; so then why did he post it here? Why not in his own thread? Or at least why not in one of the Tesla related threads? Well, the obvious reason is that his intent is to associate our work with hoaxes, so that people who would get fooled by their hoax, should say that our principles are the same hoax. The standard disinfo technique of the energy cartel; there is nothing new there.

By the way, the website at http://oldoctober.com/ru/fuelless_generator/ is hosted in Amsterdam, which is already curious, assuming that the inventor is Russian who does not speak English… Why is it not hosted in Russia? Why do they not disclose at least the exact principle that supposed to produce excess energy (or the schematic of the device)? Because hoaxes are built on mysteries, and promises that will never be fulfilled.

#### rakarskiy

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##### Re: Free Energy from Electromagnetic Wave Fields
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2017, 12:57:56 PM »
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By the way, the website at http://oldoctober.com/ru/fuelless_generator/ is hosted in Amsterdam, which is already curious, assuming that the inventor is Russian who does not speak English… Why is it not hosted in Russia? Why do they not disclose at least the exact principle that supposed to produce excess energy (or the schematic of the device)? Because hoaxes are built on mysteries, and promises that will never be fulfilled.

Does the author in English? unknown.
Author on your forum the same site made it clear that he wants to sell. This video information.
To the device has an electrical system of the Helmholtz resonator. Tesla Coil also protects the cavity of the Helmholtz resonator. This is where the wave increases many times. It removes pulses partially charge a mobile phone.