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Re: 24/365 solar cell output theory and experiments
« Reply #60 on: September 10, 2016, 12:07:37 AM »
Battery as energy storage:
iron                       http://www.essinc.com
saltwater               http://aquionenergy.com
sodium/natrium    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKpM325YipQ
aluminium             http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v520/n7547/full/nature14340.html
                             http://news.stanford.edu/2015/04/06/aluminum-ion-battery-033115/

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Re: 24/365 solar cell output theory and experiments
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Re: 24/365 solar cell output theory and experiments
« Reply #61 on: September 11, 2016, 02:45:22 PM »
1500 Wh per day and 390 Wp appliances use limiting means  5000 Wh battery capacitance in Ah.


 "artificial solar cell system" 2 stages : reduce the capacitance/charge need to 200 Wh per day
                                            3 stages: reduce the capacitance/charge need to    20 Wh per day


                                            partial 3rd stage output back to recharge the battery


                                                             2nd search :
 the permanent or part-time working fridge/freezer and the heating/cooling and the fresh water delivery
fresh water: no-/electrical ? with/out grey-2-white-water-recycling ?
freezer/fridge: Kenmore 30W permanent  or mtbest.org 100Wh per day  ?
cooling : (low)heat2electricity-converter ? or simple solar cooling
heating: resonance heating( as FIR/NIR heat wave source)

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Re: 24/365 solar cell output theory and experiments
« Reply #62 on: September 11, 2016, 02:48:53 PM »
Battery as energy storage:
iron                       http://www.essinc.com
saltwater               http://aquionenergy.com
sodium/natrium    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKpM325YipQ
aluminium             http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v520/n7547/full/nature14340.html
                             http://news.stanford.edu/2015/04/06/aluminum-ion-battery-033115/
carbon/graphit/nano-carbon ?
hydro-carbon ?
phyto-carbon ?

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Re: 24/365 solar cell output theory and experiments
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Re: 24/365 solar cell output theory and experiments
« Reply #63 on: September 11, 2016, 06:07:45 PM »
From the thread : very efficient wind generator design


"artificial-solar" cell light system can work 24/365 or periodically , an advantage


wind generator ? concentrated wind power periodically work up to 24/365 work

a.conventional wind turbine                                                    natural wind current dependant
 + combined coils generator


b.waters-turbine                                                                     naturall wind current dependant
 + combined coils generator


c. https://www.google.com/patents/US8283799           natural warm air and wind current dependant
 + combined coil generator

https://www.patentauction.com/patent.php?nb=9374
his local -Arizona,hot air climate/thermosyphon stream/current- measurement data:
 up to 80 US$ per month /3 ~ 27 US$ per 400W turbine system and month ,
how much get/reduce their bill in Arizona the consumer/private household producer for feeding the grid ,ea. KWh  ? KWh daily peak and average,monthly peak and average
https://www.dasolar.com/home-wind-power/arizona   Answer ?

d. ambiental dense air mover,concentrator and accelerator    natural climate and humidity dependant
    = motor and fan in a tube/channel 
  + combined coils generator

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Re: 24/365 solar cell output theory and experiments
« Reply #64 on: September 11, 2016, 08:31:45 PM »
L.I.S.A developed by BAYER as Makrolon(TM) during the 80`.




http://factor-tech.com/green-energy/7287-transparent-solar-collector-to-turn-skyscrapers-into-power-plants/


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20100615&CC=ES&NR=2341161A1&KC=A1
instead 8 solar panels 8 L.I.S.A. panels and only the thin side equipped with cells ?
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/49586420_fig1_Figure-1-Luminescent-solar-concentrator


Not all 4 L.I.S.A. panel thin sides equipped wth thin cells caused 3,2,1 sides are painted with reflective paint ? http://ars.els-cdn.com/content/image/1-s2.0-S0022231312000907-gr1.jpg
 


the artificial light source:
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/description?CC=US&NR=4349768A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=5&date=19820914&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_EP
 Life testing of circuits in accordance with the invention has shown the operating life of both lamps and starters to be 70,000 starts, equivalent to 190 years of daily use, more than ten times the rated life of the starters and more than twenty times the rated life of the lamps when used with prior art ballasts.
                                                             LISA
         
old idea,publicated in the 80` but not forgotten
 https://books.google.pt/books?id=96DnlrVhzDsC&pg=PA100&lpg=PA100&dq=popular+science+light+funnel&source=bl&ots=CNbQ5mEYQk&sig=5N13gPyT25HCIph-A5njq3sYO3I&hl=de&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjBjbSz-IfPAhXEKsAKHQh4An8Q6AEIKzAE#v=onepage&q=popular%20science%20light%20funnel&f=false


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2733936/Could-turn-windows-solar-panels-Transparent-material-harvest-energy-make-buildings-efficient.html
The glowing infrared light is guided to the edge of the plastic where it is converted to electricity by thin strips of photovoltaic solar cells.

 

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Re: 24/365 solar cell output theory and experiments
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Re: 24/365 solar cell output theory and experiments
« Reply #66 on: September 12, 2016, 01:30:13 PM »
safety standards (pace maker ?)and EM emission efficiency ? :
https://web.archive.org/web/20070721102613/http://www.1000inventions.com/country.htm
196 ELECTROMAGNETIC INDUCTION FOR DOMESTIC APPLIANCES H Henrique LAVIGNE Brazil






The problem to be solved:
Electrical home appliances are heavy (each one with an electric motor), they are linked to the electric net with uncomfortable wire, and they are not waterproof.


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House electrical appliances such as blenders, mixers, etc., that can work without wires, attachment or buttons. They use the same motor which is not visible. They work with electromagnetic induction by proximity. They are waterproof and very light.


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An electric motor, hidden under a table cover, moves an electromagnetic attachment that can alternately put into action, by induction and proximity, home electrical appliances or tools without wires, such as blenders, mixers, etc.

 
only 1 electric motor for all rotating kitchen appliances ?
then I prefer this one http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5463914.html



 

Application:
Home electrical appliances, electronical instruments and electrical tools.

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Advantages:

Besides improving the aesthetics of the apparatuses, by eliminating wires, it turns them waterproof, easing their cleaning because the electric part is all closed, without holes for buttons, keys or plugs. They are lighter (no motor) and cheaper.

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              It is easier and cheaper only to optimize one device than the total household !
Eliminating  energy wasting sources,making probably waste/garbage to energy(biocomposter,
Waste-Plasma-Incinerator)


                       0,8 KWh per day   http://mtbest.net as future standard !
                            Why not ,where the sun shines so often and long !
                            Natural  -    or artificial !


                       0,08 KWh per day                              as Generation Next-standart !

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Re: 24/365 solar cell output theory and experiments
« Reply #68 on: September 14, 2016, 08:21:59 PM »
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Re: 24/365 solar cell output theory and experiments
« Reply #69 on: September 29, 2019, 10:45:36 AM »
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20100520&CC=DE&NR=102008057187A1&KC=A1#
similar

https://www.pads.com/resources/customer-stories/cool-earth-solar

1 sqm photo-(thermo-)  voltaic cell  as round tube by U = 2 x pi x r =  1 Meter high and 32 centimeter diameter

On 1 sqm cave/ floor ground can stay by A= pi x rv2 ~ 10000 sqcm/815 sqcm ~ 12 tubes

If the conventional solar cell full energy gain in hours is calculated with 900 h from 8766 h per year time,
artificial 24/365 photo-(thermo-) voltaic devices gives for the same area

( 8766/900 ) x 12 ~ > 115 times more energy gain per sqm per annum

 by higher conversion efficiency technology this number increases by ?/ 15% actual conventional market efficiency

30%/15% = factor 2 x 115

 45%/15% = factor 3 x 115

15% standart : before 115 sqm area to 1 sqm area for the same annual output = KWh electricity generation

Next geometrical optimation : from 1 meter tube  high to 1,5/2/2,5 meter high
With such efficiency market entry
https://www.greenoptimistic.com/green-ferrite-solar-cell-japan-20110920/
the before/after area ratio :  > 1000/1 by 2 meter high tubes

Probably I will get today 23 GB info about 60% conversion efficiency graphit cells in pre-industrial development and this would theoretically mean :60%/15% x 115 x 2 meter = 920 x energy gain per sqm area/year improvement
60% = between
 https://scitechdaily.com/new-solar-energy-device-is-100-times-more-efficient-than-previous-design/
actually "2%" and predicted 10 fold = 20% conversion efficiency

and                                          Up to 92%

https://www.graphene-info.com/nanotech-engineerings-92-efficiency-graphene-cnts-solar-panel-claim

and                                         UP TO 97%

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=14&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19910228&CC=DD&NR=287597A5&KC=A5#




Important are clearly also converter longetivity and technology failure knowledge :
https://www.aau.edu/research-scholarship/featured-research-topics/making-solar-panels-last-longer


We are not in hurry to reach the 1000/1  ;)



A nice and peacefull sunday ( cristian hemisphere) wishing



p.s. :
for some in hurry , 60%/15% x 115 x 2,25 meter tube ( 2,3-2,5 mtr. conventional construction room high) =  ::)   



http://heatstick.com/_GlowWarm.htm.  photons/phonons/excitons conversion   efficiency in in/out put Joule. ?
   ELECTRIC CANDELA TUBE
https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/hybrid-materials-could-smash-the-solar-efficiency-ceiling
 the physical/ chemical border line between " an- and organic : hard/soft/hybrid" !
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Re: 24/365 solar cell output theory and experiments
« Reply #70 on: October 01, 2019, 08:28:33 PM »
I did not get the 23 GB ( my key-stick for data download has only 6 GB; some vids in the data ) but got today more info about the graphit cell prototype teste result : the numbers let assume 25 years warrantyable functionality.
"Nos vamos mudar o Mundo !" ( We will change the World) I heared 2008 and 2013 from some " partners" and " capacitive coil technology" related :I think this cell will change something in our social and commercial  World ( but not " the World")




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Re: 24/365 solar cell output theory and experiments
« Reply #70 on: October 01, 2019, 08:28:33 PM »
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Re: 24/365 solar cell output theory and experiments
« Reply #71 on: October 03, 2019, 07:43:19 PM »
Photo-voltaic to thermo- photo/phono-electric conversion to thermionic cells
natural photon/phonons

concentrated photons/phonons

artificial photons/phonons


Oscar Fellows,Joseph Yater,Helmut Reichelt,Alvin Marks et cet.
Koehler, Goeres,Marzahn,Baquero Menendez et cetera

 
mtbest.net 0,8 KWh per day minimum standartoeko-energie.de 3 KWh per day " intelligent household" standart
        NATURAL FREE SEASONAL HIGH/LOW ENERGY CONVERSION AND CONSUME/STORAGE
    geophysical locality defined example : the global radiation in Germany 900 to 1200 KWh per sqm and year

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.solaranlage-ratgeber.de%2Fphotovoltaik%2Fphotovoltaik-leistung%2Fphotovoltaik-ertrag-in-sommer-und-winter

 Data record for a 5 KWp plant showing 25 KWh up to 125 KWh electric energy yield per month

: total  from solar yiield ~ radiation 5 KWp/200 Wp per sqm ( 15 % eff.) = 25 sqm solarcell area


   900 KWh to 1200 KWh  local radiation per sqm x 25 sqm. =  22500 to 30000 KWh per. 5 kWp


The sum from January 27 KWh + February 51 KWh to final December 19 KWh : total 835 KWh

                        835/22500. or 835/30000. =                installation efficiency

           
                                  5 KWh installation costs by 3€/Wp  ~ 15000. Euros
                                  15000 Euros for 835 KWh energy to electricity  conversion per annum. ?
                                 25 years lifetime and 2,5% capital tax calculation ( + maintenance costs,assurance ...). :
                                  975 Euros/835 KWh = 1,17 €/KWh

                                 5 KWh   and.   2 €/ Wp :  650 Euros/835 KWh      = 0,78 €/KWh
                                  5 KWh  and.   1 €/Wp. :  325  Euros/835 KWh     = 0,39 €/KWh
                                  5 KWh. and. 0,5 €/Wp : 162,5 Euros/835 KWh   = 0,195 €/ KWh
                                  5 KWh. and 0,25 €/Wp : 81,25 Euros/835 KWh = 0,098 €/KWh

 I use strictly the "Data record" numbers and calculate with  them  !
Normally we expect by 22500 to 30000 KWh solar radiation for 25 sqm and by 15% cells/modules conversion efficiency gains between 22500 x 0,15 = 3375 KWh/year. and 30000 x 0,15= 4500 KWh/ year. !

   The difference/discrepance between 3375 and 4500 KWh to real 835 KWh measured is not my problem. !

                                 


17/ 30,5 days = 0,55 to KWh per day in November

125/30,5 days = 4,1 KWh per day in June

Max/Min month ratio 7,45/1
Max/Min summer/winter ratio 3/1


         Now to the change :Concentrated high efficient thermionic cell and artificial thermionic cell chamber

       Concurrence/competitor :
       5 KWh and 0,25 €/Wp and the final 0,1 €/KWh. or 10 €cents per KiloWatt-hour electricty

      TARGET. : 1 €cent/KWh  or 0,01 €/ KWh electricity perpetuum generation costs. !
       "perpetuum" : many turbines in our World works quasi perpetuum
                              (- maintenance/service time = up to 97%+):
                               
                              water/wind force/ thermic solar with ponds converter or the I.S.S.- solar panels


      chamber/Raum  : Zielinski chamber,Sines chamber,Marzahn chamber,Goldbaum chamber ........
      A non/ free definded 3- dimensional volume with internal process  by ambiental open space relationship
     Max. /Min. ratio summer/winter to 1/1 
     Max. /Min. lowest month/highest month ratio 1/1

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Re: 24/365 solar cell output theory and experiments
« Reply #72 on: October 22, 2019, 08:36:30 PM »
I spoke today with the assistant-professor about the "graphene cell" about which he wants to deliver me the information :
bespoken data:encapsuled 6x tandem( serie)graphene layer and 80% accumulated conversion efficiency with 500 Wp electric output per 10sqcm = 500 KW/sqm.
comparing unconcentrated conventional silicon cells with 20% : 270 Watt/ sqm

More than 1500 times improvement  or : 1500 sqm silicon cells ~  1 sqm graphene cell

The cell is in production and  actually in India some installation in development ,40% company quote by an indian investor.

Cheap solar concentrator :
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?submitted=true&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&ST=advanced&TI=&AB=Concentrator&PN=&AP=&PR=&PD=&PA=&IN=Winston&CPC=&IC=

Other concentrator concepts : http://www.redrok.com/main.htm

So not 2050 but 2020-2025 we can expect 2-4 Eurocent/KWh solar energy conversion finance level , concentrated deeper price  ! Without subsidiaries. !



Also interestant his information about a french company which synthetic grows "jewelry quality diamants" for 1/10 of the price of mining products  !

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Re: 24/365 solar cell output theory and experiments
« Reply #73 on: October 22, 2019, 10:44:34 PM »
LancaIV Quote,,, bespoken data:encapsuled 6x tandem( serie)graphene layer and 80% accumulated conversion efficiency with 500 Wp electric output per 10sqcm = 500 KW/sqm.end quote ///

 Sooo  LancaIV  Have I told you recently how nice you look and how that new Bow Tie goes very well with    your nice Suit ?
very exciting news !!
looking forward to additional info [the more the better....! with much gratitude
  Chet





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Re: 24/365 solar cell output theory and experiments
« Reply #74 on: October 22, 2019, 10:46:25 PM »
I spoke today with the assistant-professor about the "graphene cell" about which he wants to deliver me the information :
bespoken data:encapsuled 6x tandem( serie)graphene layer and 80% accumulated conversion efficiency with 500 Wp electric output per 10sqcm = 500 KW/sqm.
comparing unconcentrated conventional silicon cells with 20% : 270 Watt/ sqm

More than 1500 times improvement  or : 1500 sqm silicon cells ~  1 sqm graphene cell

The cell is in production and  actually in India some installation in development ,40% company quote by an indian investor.

Hi lancaIV,

Is this assistant-professor you talked to actually working on the development of these 6 layer graphene cells?
Is he located in India?
80% efficiency sounds too good to be true, plus already in use!...how can you be sure this is real?

Thanks for sharing
Luc

 

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