Hi All,
I am starting here a new thread, as I have contacted a few people,
who have been live seeing the TPU devices and they emailed me back.
The purpose is to find out the current state of the technology
and if patents have been filed and who now owns the technology and
what is being done with it right now...
We also have to find the persons behind this
mysterious "Universal Energy Corporation" ( UEC).
(Please only post here a reply, if you have new informations.
Any other "Looks good" or other useless comments will be deleted by me..)
The first person is Dr. Doleshal.
He wrote:
> Stefan Hartmann wrote: Hallo Dr. Doleshal,
> I am running the free energy reasearch forum site
>
www.overunity.com>
> I have been getting infos from Mr. Lindsay Mannix from Australia,
> who is currently in contact with Steven Mark,
> that you have been seeing a TPU unit from Steven Mark
> "live in action", so to say...
>
> We are in this moment discussing and researching the TPU
> very heavily in this thread:
>
>
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.0.html>
>
> Do you still have any technical informations about it
> and can send me your view about it ?
>
> Maybe you like to join my free forum and
> also discuss it there ?
>
> Do you know, who exactly owns the technology in this moment ?
> It was said it is owned by UEC, but who is it and
> how can these persons be contacted ?
>
> Many thanks.
>
>
> Gruss / Best regards, Stefan Hartmann
From: "Dave Doleshal"
To: "Stefan Hartmann"
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 9:56 PM
Subject: Re: Steven Mark TPU unit witness ?
> Hello Stefan,
>
> I am sorry to say I probably can't be much help on this. Yes, I did see the unit in operation several times, but that was many
years ago. I do not have any technical secrets or details of how it works, beyond being fairly sure it does not have any thing to
do with the kinds of things so many people have been speculating about. Mark his associates are the only ones who know about this,
and they are apparently still not revealing anything.
>
> What I did see when the unit was in operation was that it DID appear to operate as Mark says it does - yielding an output of
several hundred watts, with no wires leading in to. The possibility of it containing some kind of hidden batteries within it was
often raised by skeptics, but every consultation with battery experts or battery salesman to explain how such a thing might be faked
using the smallest state of the art batteries came up empty handed. Mark did demonstrations in which engineers measured the
surrounding area to see if he might somehow secretly have been sending it energy via a radio waves or magnetic fields,or something,
but none of them ever detected anything of the sort, despite heroic efforts to do so. Potential investors hired all manner of
high-powered experts to debunk it or detect some fraud or trickery, but none were ever able to do so.
>
> So what does that prove? I don't know.
>
> One thing I am certain of is that all attempts to settle the matter by trying to evaluate the inventors character, etc are nothing
but a waste of time. I see people do this with other kinds of technologies, and I understand why in the absence of hard evidence
people feel the need to fall back on this grasping at straws approach, but it is utterly worthless. It is easy to make up with
accusations and insults or nasty stories about ANYONE, but whether true or false, they amount to nothing. There is this human
tendency to feel that if you can somehow find a flaw in someone's behavior, morals, character etc, you can therefore feel safe in
dismissing them. But if you look at the history of famous geniuses like Da Vinci, Galileo, Lord Byron, Newton or Edison, they all
were rather eccentric characters with colorful and checkered pasts. Edison was apparently a very rude guy in person. Einstein had
six girlfriends in addition to his wife. Their detractors had an easy time
> concocting all manner of fake charges against them, but none of that - false or true - had the slightest real bearing on the
value of their creations. The opposite is equally true. So far as I know, ALL the nasty accusations against Steven Mark manufactured
out of thin air, mostly by people hoping to blackmail or pressure him into making a deal with them and/or angry at him when he
wouldn't. But even if they weren't, so what? Even if you find people to swear on a stack of Bibles that the inventor was a saint of
stellar virtues and pure motives and morals, would that really be proof that his inventions worked? I don't think so.
>
> Good luck with it all.
>
> I haven't heard from Steven Mark in many years, so I you are in contact with him, please say Hello form me and wish him the
best, and ask him to contact me.
>
> Regards,
>
> DAVE
Stefan Hartmann <hartiberlin@gmx.de> wrote:
Hi Dave,
many thanks for your reply.
Can I post this in the thread at
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,712.0.html?
Well, do you know, who this Universal Energy Corporation
is, that seems to be said is the holder of the rights to the TPU ?
How can they be contacted ? Do you know any address of them ?
Did Steven Mark sell the rights to them ?
Did Steven sell the rights to the TPU to his attorney Paul Stemm ?
Is Paul Stemm or does he own Universal Energy Corporation ?
Or If Steven did not sell the rights to the TPU to UEC how did UEC gain control of the device ?
Why does Steven not what us to see the patents granted to UEC for parts of the TPU?
Do these patents really exist?
Is the Universal Energy Corporation a real company and are there public records that can be consulted that show records of this
company?
If the UEC really exists who are the shareholders and were shares raised by making demonstrations of the TPU?
Do you know any answers to these questions ?
And Dave,
how were you involved in all of the testing and demos at this time ?
Did you measure yourself the output of the device with measurement equipment ?
Do you still know some other people , who I might cound contact,
that could answer these above questions ?
Do you know John Sanchez who was with Prof. Schinzinger testing the TPU ?
How can John Sanchez be contacted ?
Many thanks.
Best regards, Stefan.
hello Stefan,
Yes, its all right to repost this. I wish I could be of more help to you, but unfortunately, most of the kind of information you are seeking simply is not available. All this happened years ago, and my own memories of most of this are hazy. My understanding is that Steven lost interest in persuing the matter years ago when he sold the rights to what he had to UEC. All such trade secrets and information would be property of UEC, and under such an agreement, Steven would not be permitted to reveal such secrets freely to others that he had sold to UEC for money. You probably can't get much technical detail from Steven. Eariler this year, I heard there was some group in Ireland who was very publicly making the claim to possess such a device, but I don't recall their name, nor am I in any position to evaluate their claims. Also, there was a prominent group of UFO fans based in Virginia, (run by a Medical doctor named Greer(?) that was publicly claiming to have such a device about 2 or 3 years ago. The guy seemed to be an ethical and intelligent person, but I never actually saw his tecnhology demonstrated, and have no way to evaulate his claims. However, you MIGHT have more success investigating one or both of these groups than from Steven.
Regarding UEC, the way I remember it, UEC was to be an Australian corporation, possibly with affiliates in Europe or America, but primarily an Australian entity. If so, all relevant legal documents should be a matter of public record in Australia. They should be accessible, but I an not personally familiar with Autralian business or governemental procedures. It is quite possible UEC has changed its name or been sold to some other entity, but I would not know anything about this. My understanding was that Brian Collins was setting up UEC along with his associates, but I don't know their names. I think Steven was not wanting to be part of that company, but simply wanted to sell his technology to them. I have no address not contact information about them.
Reagrding Paul Stemm. Yes, Paul Stemm was the lawyer who put much of this deal together. He might have been one of the partners or stock holders of UEC., but I don't know that for sure. I have not seen Paul for many years.
Regarding patents on the TPU, I don't know whether the device itself has been patented. When last I knew anything about it in the late 1990s, this had NOT been done yet. Perhaps it has been done since. But if it has been done, it should be a matter of public record. A routine patent search should turn them up. Such procedures are now fairly easy to do over the internet. I don't see how Steven or any one else could prevent such patents from being examined. If they exist and are therfore publicly examinable government documents that anyone can look at, I don't see why Steven could or should want to prevent any one from seeing them.
About where UEC may have gotten funding, I don't know that either. If they possess a working technology, the obvious strategy for raising money would be to give demonstrations to potential investors. But I haven't heard of such things being done.
As far as my involvement in the testing of the device, I can tell you this much. After consulting with a number of highly experienced, intelligent experts in the field of electrical power generation, and asking them how a clever person might fake such a device as the TPU was claimed to be, several possible tests were suggested.
First of all, was necessary that no external wires or connection be permitted. (Some inventors insist their devices need to have such cable for "grounding purposes" or whatever. But any wire leading in could be used to send in power. Any "free energy device" that can't be demonstrated without such wires is almost certainly a fraud). This TPU was an exception, because it could easily be demonstarted with no such wires, either sitting on a glass table or carried about freely. Examiners could inspect it to make sure there were no concealed wires leading into it.
A second consideration was that the output must be demonstrated to light lamps or run ordinary electrical devices in a normal fashion. Simply showing a voltage reading on a meter was not sufficient. Ordinary volt meters are designed to measure either DC current or AC current with a regular waveform. Feeding such a meter a complex electrical waveform with erratic spikes can confuse such meters. If the current averages about 2 volts but has an occasional brief surge of 700 volts, the meter might be fooled into thinking it is seeing a current of 700 volts when it really isn't. ALL of the so-called "overunity "devices I have ever seen appear to work this way - by confusing the meters with complex waveforms they weren't designed to measure. A meter will read as if there was a high voltage, but the output won't light bulbs or drive motors. Although the output of Steven's devices did register on meters as a high voltage of a specific wattage, it did not display any of the problems of these so-called over unity devices. If the meter said 600 watts, the device really would light up 600 watts worth of light bulbs or run a 600 watt motor without problems. Wneh measured this way, Steven's TPU always passed the tests easily.
The various experts I consulted frequently suggested another possible way such a effect might be faked was if the so-called TPU devices contained some kind of tiny batteries or storage devices. However, when the best experts on battery technology available were asked about this, they were never able to explain how a device as small as a TPU could store sufficient power to supply the load. They were sure a portable unit capable to lighting six 100 watt light bulbs for 30 minutes or an hour COULD be built, but that it would need to be many times the size and weight of a TPU that seemed able to do the same thing. Perhaps battery technology now exists that's better than what was around ten years ago, but that still wouldn't explain how Steven could do what he did back then. Besides, if Steven had such a vastly superior electricity storage system so much better than anyone elses, the thing to do would have been simply to sell it as a new kind of battery instead of pretending it was a free energy device. The market for such a battery is probably hundreds of millions of dollars per year. Steven is an intelligent an practical man. If all he wanted was the money, he'd have surely done that instead of going the much more difficult rout of claiming it was all a free energy device.
The other possibility my experts raised was that these TPU were acting as receivers for power being "broadcast" to then via induction, magnet fields or radio waves from somewhere nearby. Although this was technically an easy thing to fake, in practice such trickery would be easy to detect. For the magnet fields or radio waves need to create 600 watts of usable power in the middle of a room ten feet away would need to be VERY intense at their source. The room containing the reciever would have to be filled with a field so strong it would make compasses spin, or cook flesh like the inside of a microwave oven. In such a case, the output of the TPU should diminish drastically when moved even a few feet further away from the hidden transmitter.
Thus the engineers wanting to evaluate the TPU brought testing devices like Sony-All Waves, that could detect the presence of any magnetic field or radio waves in the area, and insisted the TPU be demonstrated not just inside Steven's house but at locations some distance from the house of their own chosing. Every time this was done, no magnetic fields nor radio waves could be detected in the house, or nearby, and the device always worked just as well in the house as outside, or even several hundred yards, or a mile or so away.
I personally saw this kind of thing done several times, and Steven's devices always passed the tests every time. So althougI haven't a clue how all this was accomplished, he DID manage to accomplish it.
As for the name John Sanchez, that name is not familiar to me. However, I was in the house the day when Professor Schinzinger examined the TPU in the manner discribed in the previous paragraph. I talked with Shinzinger a few days later by phone. He called me because he was upset with me because I had (erroneously) told people he had been convinced that the TPU was genuine, when all he had actually meant to say was that he had been unable to detect any fraud. I asked Schinzinger if their were other tests he thought might have revealed a possible fraud better than the tests he had done, but he was unable to suggest anything specific. Schinzinger was the Dean of Engineering for years at the nearby University of California Department of Engineering, and a resepcted expert on electrical power generation systems. A more knowledgeable person on the subject probably could not be found anywhere. As a respected man of high intelligence and high integrity, it seemed that he was nervous letting his name be used to endorse a technology he could not explain or understand. He didn't want to be embarrassed by something that might later turn out to be revealed as a trick or a fraud. He was never convinced it was real, but even so, he was unable to find any evidence of fraud, despite what seemed like his best efforts to do so. Dr. Shinzinger was rather old then, and I have not heard from him since. Whether he is still alive now, I can't say, and if he is, neither can I say what his present opinion about all this might be.
I don't know if any of this helps you, But its about all I really know. I know Steven was very frustrated by this years ago, and had pretty much abandoned hope of doing anything more with it when he sold it all to UEC, and moved on to other more mundane and more promising projects. He is a very talented inventer and engineer, and easily creates other kinds of devices of a non-controversial nature that can be more readily profited from in the present economic and political environment that could things like this TPU. So far as I know, that is what he's been doing. But I haven't heard from him in many years. He used to often dream of living on a warm tropical island in the Caribbean, like Jamaica. Last time I heard from him he had earned sufficient money from his more ordinary projects to do so, and talked like he was ready to buy some land in Jamaica and move there. Far as I know, that's what he did.
If you have any further questions, feel free to ask me. I'll answer them as best I can, but as I have said, I probably can't be much help with the kind of technical information you are seeking simply because I don't have it and don't really know who does.
Good Luck, and Happy Hunting. If yu ever find anything interesting, please let me know. If ever make contact with Steven, please tell him I said Hello, that I wish him the best, and that I'd love to talk with him again some time.
Regards,
DAVE