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Re: Eye wittness accounts from people who have seen the TPUs
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2006, 06:14:16 AM »
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Re: Eye wittness accounts from people who have seen the TPUs
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2006, 04:15:06 PM »
No need to attack Lindsay or Steven.

Steven is not the only one that has been screwed.  Recently, TRW developed an aircraft engine that utilized the earth's magentic field as a source fo power.  You will not find this via google.  Anyway, the Fed decided that this new engine would upset the economy of the aircraft industry and squashed it.

Here's my take on Steve and his TPU.   He invented an OU device with almost zero commercial value.  If he made a dime off it - more power to him.  The only way this will ever get to the masses is through tinkerers who give it away freely.  If you invented the goods, but couldn't make anything off it - would you really want to give it away just like that?  No one gave it to you.  You had to figure it out yourself.  It is incredibly difficult to overcome human nature.

Steven owes us nothing.  He doesn't have to tell us jack $#!+.  Yes, he has explained enough ot make it work. 

I think Tesla pointed out that "A rotating magnetic field can be constructed using two orthogonal coils with 90 degrees phase difference in their AC currents."  For those who can't get a visual on that - here is a patent that uses this effect:

http://v3.espacenet.com/origdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=US5646524&F=0&QPN=US5646524

For you rocket scientists - you can create a rotating magnet field with two orthogonal coils and then couple out with a third - magetic fields are 3 dimensional.  You get one hell of a field that way...right Steven?  But hey, what do I know - I'm just a newb...haha!

In my post above, I was just pointing out that I could not find a patent and that there seemed to be little commercial value in the device - which is a real pisser if you invetned it.

To all of those that hit the right combo and got scared $#!+less - come on back.  The MIB aren't gong to knock on your door - you have to manipulate time to get their attention.  If you burned the device to a cinder - oops - Steve warned you...


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Re: Eye wittness accounts from people who have seen the TPUs
« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2006, 05:44:26 PM »
No need to attack Lindsay or Steven.

Steven is not the only one that has been screwed.  Recently, TRW developed an aircraft engine that utilized the earth's magentic field as a source fo power.  You will not find this via google.  Anyway, the Fed decided that this new engine would upset the economy of the aircraft industry and squashed it.

Here's my take on Steve and his TPU.   He invented an OU device with almost zero commercial value.  If he made a dime off it - more power to him.  The only way this will ever get to the masses is through tinkerers who give it away freely.  If you invented the goods, but couldn't make anything off it - would you really want to give it away just like that?  No one gave it to you.  You had to figure it out yourself.  It is incredibly difficult to overcome human nature.

Steven owes us nothing.  He doesn't have to tell us jack $#!+.  Yes, he has explained enough ot make it work. 

I think Tesla pointed out that "A rotating magnetic field can be constructed using two orthogonal coils with 90 degrees phase difference in their AC currents."  For those who can't get a visual on that - here is a patent that uses this effect:

http://v3.espacenet.com/origdoc?DB=EPODOC&IDX=US5646524&F=0&QPN=US5646524

For you rocket scientists - you can create a rotating magnet field with two orthogonal coils and then couple out with a third - magetic fields are 3 dimensional.  You get one hell of a field that way...right Steven?  But hey, what do I know - I'm just a newb...haha!

In my post above, I was just pointing out that I could not find a patent and that there seemed to be little commercial value in the device - which is a real pisser if you invetned it.

To all of those that hit the right combo and got scared $#!+less - come on back.  The MIB aren't gong to knock on your door - you have to manipulate time to get their attention.  If you burned the device to a cinder - oops - Steve warned you...



where did you happen to see this? I would be interested in reading a bit about this if possible. I don't doubt for a second that the government told TRW to shut up and probably seized the tech on them like they always do when something new threatens their power of control.

I understand the economic issues but we must allow change in order to improve, not worry about the all mighty buck at the expense of our eco system. We need to break our dependance on petrolium based products and move into the next century of energy production. So what if we then have free power to the masses, I am sure our economies wil adjust.


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Re: Eye wittness accounts from people who have seen the TPUs
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Re: Eye wittness accounts from people who have seen the TPUs
« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2006, 05:58:04 PM »
I heard it from someone "in the know" that thought I already knew about it.  I actually had not, so he quickly dropped it.  Talk about "oops"...

After extensive searches, I have never found any reference to this in the public domain.

TRW is now owned by Northrop Grumman - the plot thickens..haha!

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Re: Eye wittness accounts from people who have seen the TPUs
« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2006, 07:49:53 PM »
Grumpy,

Typical government crap. Supress new tech because they want to militarize it.


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Re: Eye wittness accounts from people who have seen the TPUs
« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2006, 11:33:27 PM »
These discussions have become far too counter productive... This thread is NOT for our debate, it is for storing ANY and ALL info we can find that relates to the device, or people and companies involved in the device. When I say any and all, I mean it! It is already widely believed that there are possibly disinformation angents looking to disrupt those seeking to replicate or research the device. No one person can be held to a higher standard till there is some sort of confirmation... This means anything we find disinfo or not must be logged here and investigated extensively till we find someone reputable who can offer us ANY form of confirmation.

Bottom line is we dont even have a patent number which is cosidered public knowlege, we don't have contact info for the patents owner which is also public record, we can't even confirm that Steve Mark is the inventor or that he is indeed the person contacting mannix.

Wake up people you're all grasping at phantoms!!!
Now stop arguing and start digging.

Mannix I do not mean to imply you may be telling us falsehoods, but I still cant rule it out, because thus far no real data has been aquired yet. The only thing this group has recieved as of now is incomplete theories and friendly pros, that is untill Stefan started this thread now we are getting hard data names numbers addresses and most importantly leads to the device and its owners current location.

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Re: Eye wittness accounts from people who have seen the TPUs
« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2006, 05:11:30 AM »
These discussions have become far too counter productive... This thread is NOT for our debate, it is for storing ANY and ALL info we can find that relates to the device, or people and companies involved in the device. When I say any and all, I mean it! It is already widely believed that there are possibly disinformation angents looking to disrupt those seeking to replicate or research the device. No one person can be held to a higher standard till there is some sort of confirmation... This means anything we find disinfo or not must be logged here and investigated extensively till we find someone reputable who can offer us ANY form of confirmation.

Bottom line is we dont even have a patent number which is cosidered public knowlege, we don't have contact info for the patents owner which is also public record, we can't even confirm that Steve Mark is the inventor or that he is indeed the person contacting mannix.

Wake up people you're all grasping at phantoms!!!
Now stop arguing and start digging.

Mannix I do not mean to imply you may be telling us falsehoods, but I still cant rule it out, because thus far no real data has been aquired yet. The only thing this group has recieved as of now is incomplete theories and friendly pros, that is untill Stefan started this thread now we are getting hard data names numbers addresses and most importantly leads to the device and its owners current location.

Sorry,,
the only reason that I butted in was because this thread is labled in the main heading "eye witness accounts"

Two eye witness accounts are here ..the rest??????

It has become something else entirely.

A agree emphatically that it is counterproductive

Some body here took information that was given in the spirit of helping them understanding the tpu then saw fit to use a few lines that were not in context to promote a different view.
I guess that happens in media all the time...I just had high expectations..sorry

Ok, not everybody wants to understand the tpu but ..
I look foward to more actual "eye witness acounts" being posted in this so named thread
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Re: Eye wittness accounts from people who have seen the TPUs
« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2006, 05:24:29 AM »
Lindsay,  ;) Put the dates on the letters, then we can discover the entire context!

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Re: Eye wittness accounts from people who have seen the TPUs
« Reply #23 on: November 10, 2006, 01:00:33 PM »
I have a question for the genieses here

Exactly what is achieved by finding out who is who?

Stevens angry reply should have helped you understand his situation.
Put your self in his shoes if you can

The info on how his unit works is here.

Unfortunately ,at this stage ,there is no monkey do diagrams.


There are engineer reports,eye witness accounts,videos.even degrees of replication..but no..what do you want...somebody to come knocking on your door and say please, will you look at this and tell me it works?

The real answers are here, Im sorry they do not fit everybodys idea of what an answer is....Perhaps I just do not understand the question. Perhaps I can learn if somebody can help me.

Understanding Stevens process does require a few preconceptions to be put aside.

How many times do you need to say "impossible" before you can actually see that it is possible and does work?

How does "thats impossible" work for you?..never did for me...mind you i have seen a lot of self defeating attitudes, that I cant see how thay can possibly work.


The patent question has been answered by steven.Instead of creating more and more rubbish why not just try to get your head around the fact that high speed rotational magnetic fields have some unconventional effects!....go and google that!

Other people in history have discovered this type of process as well....google that if you want gossip..

Not every body understands everything ,we all have different skills,different ideas,and different way of viewing this beautiful world, The challenge is to be able share it with others dont you think?


Sincerely

Lindsay Mannix


Hi Lindsay,
I just want to find out, if the devices, that were shown in the videos
still exist and what is being done with them today !?

Why invent the wheel a second time, if these devices still exist and
so many people each day starve, because they have nothing to eat
which could be changed by these devices ?

We have been working here now over half a year on the
these devices and no working TPU came out and
SM and you posted at the beginning you would support us
by at least posting a basic schematic or at least tell us,
how to generate these kicks,
but nothing has been coming forward...

So when also some people left here and they deleted their accounts
and the messages with them, I thought we must go chasing this in a more
aggressive way, so that now the "cards must be placed onto the table".. so to speak..

So Lindsay, I understand, that you want to write a book about
the topic and probably don?t want to give out yet too much yet,
but I think the question, where the devices are now and what is
being done with them nowadays is a real
urgent question and should be answered.

Many thanks for understanding.

Regards, Stefan.
« Last Edit: November 11, 2006, 12:31:49 AM by hartiberlin »

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Re: Eye wittness accounts from people who have seen the TPUs
« Reply #23 on: November 10, 2006, 01:00:33 PM »
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Re: Eye wittness accounts from people who have seen the TPUs
« Reply #24 on: November 10, 2006, 04:09:11 PM »
Mannix,

What do you hope to accomplish by dangling the proverbial carrot in front of everyone?

Have you recreated the device?

Do you have your own eye witness account to share with us?

Like everyone before you, you offer "sketchy details" and deliberately vague information.

Months of messages and no schematic, no clear explanation, and no patent.  You can't just let it go can you?  Neither you nor Steve can just give it to the world freely.  You have to play the "I know something you don't know" game instead.  You are not bound by NDA's or non-competitive agreements, but still can not bring yourself to walk out of the hall of smoky mirrors and lay it all out.

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Re: Eye wittness accounts from people who have seen the TPUs
« Reply #25 on: November 10, 2006, 06:58:24 PM »
Moved to "A place for debate"
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Re: Eye wittness accounts from people who have seen the TPUs
« Reply #26 on: November 10, 2006, 07:19:09 PM »
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Re: Eye wittness accounts from people who have seen the TPUs
« Reply #27 on: November 10, 2006, 11:40:00 PM »
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Hi Lindsay,
I just want to find out, if the devices, that were shown in the videos
still exit and what is being done with them today !?

Why invent the wheel a second time, if these devices still exit and
so many people each day starve, because they have nothing to eat
which could be changed by these devices ?

We have been working here now over half a year on the
these devices and no working TPU came out and
SM and you posted at the beginning you would support us
by at least posting a basic schematic or at least tell us,
how to generate these kicks,
but nothing has been coming forward...

So when also some people left here and they deleted their accounts
and the messages with them, I thought we must go chasing this in a more
aggressive way, so that now the "cards must be placed onto the table".. so to speak..

So Lindsay, I understand, that you want to writre a book about
the topic and probably don?t want to give out yet not much yet,
but I think the question, where the devices are now and what is
being done with them nowadays is a real
urgent question and should be answered.

Many thanks for understanding.

Regards, Stefan.

Why is this thread labled "eye witness accounts"?
That is the question that you have not answered.
Does it need to be answered?

I do not think that agession has a place here.



« Last Edit: November 11, 2006, 12:20:40 AM by hartiberlin »

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Re: Eye wittness accounts from people who have seen the TPUs
« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2006, 12:12:26 AM »
What aggression?

Stefan was explaining his prior intent and his current frustrations...

I think his points were clear and concise:

-if it was any of us with this secret we would face death to make this technology public. As a matter of fact I can comfortably say I would sacrafice myself today to provide any technology that could save millions of lifes.

-Your early posts claimed you planned on assisting us with NON theoretical, NON anicdotal data or schematics.

-The site is losing valuable members because they have become fed up with the dead end we've all reached.

-The study of this device has consumed all of us, and not one shred of new testable data has been given.
Only theories, stories, and videos... None of which are very clear about providing a proof of concept.

I apoligise in advance if I am too brash or blunt, but I feel we need to get it all out in the open if we are to get anywhere with this. We all just need to realize we are all on the same team, and that the only way to win this game is to share our data with the world. If someone here is not willing to share data or resources, they are not playing on our team, and that will in time drain the team of: time, money, faith and energy.

*added to answer mannix's question
And in regards to your question about why the tempo of this thread has changed from eye witness accounts to this  is the first post on page two. If you look at all the posts before that post, you will notice the underlying theme was finding people who have seen the device and determine what if any of the info given was disinformation. This thread does need to get back to tracking the device again, but it would seem that our digging only made you angery...

You do realize that while you're trying to slowly help us start to understand this device, the instance one of us builds a funtioning adaptation, we are going to make it public and then make the diagrams public too... Right? So no matter how slowly you or steve try to release the information in cryptic theories, as soon as someone does 'get it', everyone will get it the next day.

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Re: Eye wittness accounts from people who have seen the TPUs
« Reply #29 on: November 11, 2006, 12:43:33 AM »
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Hi Lindsay,
I just want to find out, if the devices, that were shown in the videos
still exit and what is being done with them today !?

Why invent the wheel a second time, if these devices still exit and
so many people each day starve, because they have nothing to eat
which could be changed by these devices ?

We have been working here now over half a year on the
these devices and no working TPU came out and
SM and you posted at the beginning you would support us
by at least posting a basic schematic or at least tell us,
how to generate these kicks,
but nothing has been coming forward...

So when also some people left here and they deleted their accounts
and the messages with them, I thought we must go chasing this in a more
aggressive way, so that now the "cards must be placed onto the table".. so to speak..

So Lindsay, I understand, that you want to writre a book about
the topic and probably don?t want to give out yet not much yet,
but I think the question, where the devices are now and what is
being done with them nowadays is a real
urgent question and should be answered.

Many thanks for understanding.

Regards, Stefan.

Why is this thread labled "eye witness accounts"?
That is the question that you have not answered.
Does it need to be answered?

I do not think that agression has a place here.


Hi Lindsay and Steven,
(if he reads this also).

"Agressive way" was probably the wrong words,
I apologize for this.
(English is just only my second language)

Well, yes, I want to have all people, who have seen live the TPUs
here in this thread.
I still have to add the postings from Prof.Schinzinger.

Lindsay, if you have more, please add it here.

I only added the reply from Reed Huish,
cause he also said, that he has 8.5 Gbytes of data
about it, but is not willing to share it and I did not want to
rip apart the whole posting, so one could see, that he had probably never
seen it himself.

So if you know more people who have seen it, please let them post
over here or post there statements.

And please also ask Steven Mark if the devices still exist
and what is being done with them now.

Many thanks.

P.S: I don?t want to upset you or Steven Mark, but
the recent mind change of some of the experimenters over here
and the users who left from here
has led me to go into the direction to find this out now.
I still have a few experiments on my "todo" list , which
I still want to do myself, but I am so much stuck in this moment
with other work, so that I don?t get to it and I also want to
do this in no rush to not oversee anything...

Regards, Stefan.

 

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