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Marko Rodin Coil -- 007 Device

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--- Quote from: Dog-One on June 05, 2016, 11:36:11 AM ---

(and more of the same--TK)

If anyone cares about artsy coils and flawed measurements.

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You are kidding, right? Compare that first video, for example, with mine which I will link again here:

--- Quote from: ramset on June 05, 2016, 02:21:29 PM ---Matt
there are plenty who care..

looking forward to Russ's art work ,and results.

@ Tinsel
Can you comment here on where you feel the Errors are being made in measurement protocol ?



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I have commented many times and I have even demonstrated how to make such bad and misleading measurements myself. That first video in Dog-One's post is typical. Watch it if you can stand it. Unfortunately _measurements_ don't run loads or provide energy. (I could piss into the wind, too, but still won't get a cheezburger).

Typical errors include measuring reactive power and claiming OU because it exceeds input power. Measuring "output" voltage and current in different branches is another typical error. Failing to properly synchronize probes with different time constants is another typical error (Alek, Steorn). Creating ground loops that allow part of the input power to affect measurements of output power is yet another one. Failing to account for duty cycle (mistaking instantaneous power for average power). Using energy storage, like flywheels or capacitors and failing to account for the energy supplied to the storage system. Battery effects, fluffy charge, heating, etc. Simple fraud and fakery by people who are trying to sell something or attract investment. And I'm sure that people experienced in these matters can think of many more.

None of the Rodin coil fans will ever achieve a "self runner" nor will they ever power another identical setup from the output of a first setup, with extra power left over to run a real load. Why not? I know why... and so do you, and so does Russ.

I have no doubt that Russ will be able to reproduce the _measurements_ from such systems by using the same setups that the claimants are using. And if he's got the savvy, he'll realize what's happening and do some other measurements and tests of his own to show what's really happening.

Thanks for the response and very valid points on "measurement points" Phase ...Timing , stored energy, etc etc .
In your Vid I see a nice surprise "Exnihiloest " responded .
He is one talented fellow !

Regarding Russ and his replication of this.
I believe he is One Sincere replicator that would gladly investigate any path towards proper measurement
protocol and not shy away from it for his own personal gain or benefit.

and you can take that to the bank !

Chet K 

Screw it guys.

It may not work, but it sure looks cool.     8)

It's the kind of thing I would love to have in my epic fail pile; especially after I die and the scrap collectors come to empty my house.  Probably blow their mind.

Might be good though to put a little note on it stating, "Please look-up a fellow that goes by the name of TinselKoala and ask him what it's for and what it does."  Just for safety sakes.  Wouldn't want anyone falling down some bottomless rabbit hole.

This is for the Rodin fan boys and anybody that is interested in basic electronics, and especially for the lurkers from Russ' forum:

Anybody can look up what the magnetic field is like around a long straight current-carrying wire.  Everyone knows that magnetic fields add up together like vectors.  That's why the power cord for your toaster (lots of current) does not really give off a noticeable magnetic field.  One wire is carrying current say from left to right and generating a clockwise magnetic field around the wire.  The other wire is carrying current from right to left and generating a counter-clockwise magnetic field around the wire.

If you are one foot away from the power cord you "see" a clockwise magnetic field and a counter-clockwise magnetic field.  They are in opposite directions so they cancel each other out.  So what you really "see" is essentially no magnetic field at all.

This is the most basic fundamental stuff about magnetic fields, and it applies to any wire or any coil, including a Rodin coil.

So look at the nice picture of the Rodin coil and visualize it as being composed of a bunch of short one-inch segments that are essentially short segments of straight wire.  Now, imagine the magnetic field that is being produced by each one-inch segment.  Pay particular attention to how the orientation of each one-inch segment is relative to the other one-inch segments.

So, what do you have when you look at the Rodin coil in this way?  You have a whole bunch of magnetic fields at different orientations doing vector summation with each other.  You can easy see how there is some vector addition, and some vector cancellation.  For sure, there is a whole lot of vector cancellation going on.

What is the final result of all of this?   The coil has some resistance and some inductance.  Because of the considerable amount of magnetic field vector cancellation taking place, that reduces the net amount of inductance in the Rodin coil compared to a conventionally-wound coil that could be made with the same amount of wire.  Or, you can say that you could make a conventional coil with less wire than the Rodin coil and still get the same amount of inductance.

No matter how you look at it, in the final analysis a Rodin coil is just an inductance, and the way it is made is rather inefficient because of all of the undesirable magnetic field vector cancellation that is inherent in the "bird's nest doughnut weave" that is done to make the coil.

If Russ is going to embark on some kind of test regimen, then the smart thing to do would be to make a comparably-sized conventional coil and tweak it so that it will show the same amount of inductance on the inductance meter as the Rodin coil.  Call that the "control coil."  Naturally the control coil will have less wire resistance compared to the Rodin coil because it generates a magnetic field more efficiently.

Whatever tests that Russ does with the Rodin coil should also be done with the control coil.  Any tests related to power out vs. power in should show the control coil is superior because the wire resistance is lower.

Again, you just have to look at the picture of the Rodin coil to see intuitively how there is a whole mess of magnetic field vector cancellation going on that serves no real purpose.  Likewise, there is no such thing as a "special coil winding technique that has unique properties."  In the final analysis, a coil is just a coil.

Any lurkers from Russ' forum are welcome to post my comments on his forum thread if they want.  Right now I am assuming that what I state above is not in the thread on his forum, and if that's the case it should be stated.


Found on YT.

ABHA Coil Analysis 1

ABHA Coil Analysis 2.

ABHA Coil Analysis 3.

The coils show a special, non typical behavior.
Also the design is very important.

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