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Title: "A Proposal for over unity" by Jim Stone May 24 2016
Post by: glennmr on May 26, 2016, 01:21:02 PM
This is worth taking a look at! - This guy was in the NSA before he got out and finally settled in Mexico - he is at least as knowledgeable as E. Snowden and of greater maturity and experience! -

 - Quote: ''LET ME BE VERY CLEAR:  If they can "educate" a doctor into believing it is safe to inject 60 vaccines into a baby, they can certainly "educate" a budding physicist into believing over unity cannot be achieved.   The modern educational system has devolved into a system for intellectually jailing the best and brightest. I am going to state a simple (proposed) method of achieving over unity. I do not have a working model for this, but for all I can see, it ought to work. If this is cryptic to you, only a little study can get you going,  this is actually very basic stuff (for what it is). The method involves using the ferromagnetic to paramagnetic properties of the metal Nickel. ..."

http://82.221.129.208/ifyouareinamericayouprobablycantseethisz8.html
Title: Re: "A Proposal for over unity" by Jim Stone May 24 2016
Post by: memoryman on May 26, 2016, 02:34:05 PM
Your idea won't work; this statement is  coming from a Jewish person, so don't pay attention to it.
Title: Re: "A Proposal for over unity" by Jim Stone May 24 2016
Post by: Mr XYZ on May 26, 2016, 05:51:57 PM
Your idea won't work; this statement is  coming from a Jewish person, so don't pay attention to it.

That's the most ridiculous thing I have read here yet! - Obviously you haven't spent any time reading on Jim Stone's website - I have been reading his revelations for 2-3 years and even any casual reader will know that not only is he Not Jewish, (which wouldn't necessarily disqualify a person per se) but he has repeatedly and consistently exposed Jewish misdemeanors and schemes on his website! I invite readers here to go and have a close and honest look at what he presents there, and btw, he predicted this would happen: " You will probably now see all kinds of reports from people saying they tried this and it was stupid, but before publishing this, I confirmed there was not a single one. There already are curie motors out there, but in the context I stated this, it is the first mention of this design out there. Don't be fooled when you see this get ripped, (and it will happen quickly). ... The laws of physics are B.S., a fact already certified by the microwave thruster. Don't think it would be foolish to pursue over unity. ..."
Title: Re: "A Proposal for over unity" by Jim Stone May 24 2016
Post by: memoryman on May 26, 2016, 06:16:49 PM
The post was addressed to glennmr, who started this thread. The link is to an anti-semetic site.
I am the Jewish person I was referring to.
Where are the working devices that prove it works?
Title: Re: "A Proposal for over unity" by Jim Stone May 24 2016
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 27, 2016, 02:22:12 AM
This is worth taking a look at! - This guy was in the NSA before he got out and finally settled in Mexico - he is at least as knowledgeable as E. Snowden and of greater maturity and experience! -

 - Quote: ''LET ME BE VERY CLEAR:  If they can "educate" a doctor into believing it is safe to inject 60 vaccines into a baby, they can certainly "educate" a budding physicist into believing over unity cannot be achieved.   The modern educational system has devolved into a system for intellectually jailing the best and brightest. I am going to state a simple (proposed) method of achieving over unity. I do not have a working model for this, but for all I can see, it ought to work. If this is cryptic to you, only a little study can get you going,  this is actually very basic stuff (for what it is). The method involves using the ferromagnetic to paramagnetic properties of the metal Nickel. ..."

http://82.221.129.208/ifyouareinamericayouprobablycantseethisz8.html (http://82.221.129.208/ifyouareinamericayouprobablycantseethisz8.html)


You do realize that this website, Overunity.com, is based in Berlin, Germany right?  You do realize that they have laws against posting anti-semetic site links right?  If I were you, I would remove this link.

Who reads crap like this anyway?

Bill
Title: Re: "A Proposal for over unity" by Jim Stone May 24 2016
Post by: MileHigh on May 27, 2016, 04:47:41 AM
Good on you Bill.  After what you posted I took a peek at the link.  Sometimes I even do battle with people that express those views on YouTube.
Title: Re: "A Proposal for over unity" by Jim Stone May 24 2016
Post by: Mr XYZ on May 27, 2016, 05:00:31 AM
Ok, now i realize the first responder's context and yes I know where this site is hosted, but let's steer around this A_S red-herring thing and focus on the actual CONTENT -               
                              " A Proposal for over unity.

I am going to state a simple (proposed) method of achieving over unity. I do not have a working model for this, but for all I can see, it ought to work. If this is cryptic to you, only a little study can get you going, this is actually very basic stuff (for what it is).

The method involves using the ferromagnetic to paramagnetic properties of the metal Nickel. The motor is an electric hybrid that uses the transition of normal ferromagnetic attraction, to paramagnetic null points for the bonus energy, and drives the system with electrical energy that can be set up to return 95 percent of the electrical input. When this is combined with the ferromagnetic to paramagnetic manipulation, it definitely will go over unity with probable overall efficiencies of 160 percent easily achieved. And yes, you can hook up a generator and self drive the entire system while draining off the surplus.

Because this is a straightforward system, I can cut to the chase and say it all in a few lines anyone with science skills can follow and not bury people in mystery and 500 pages of hocus pocus B.S. It uses no moving parts other than an armature, and obviously the commutation would have to be set up but that is fairly easy to do.

Here goes: It would be best to use an ideal alloy.

Because the curie temperature of Nickel (the temperature at which it becomes paramagnetic) is high enough to destroy most cheap magnets, (which are used in this sytem) and to make everything easier to manage, you want to get the curie temperature of the nickel lower than it naturally is. This can be accomplished by alloying it with 18.8 percent copper, as shown in the diagram below. This diagram was produced by the Chinese, by the way, and I had to use it because all the charts that were produced by Americans were behind a pay wall!

Ok, so in this chart you see a number of spikes, that show the curie point changes with different nickel copper alloy percentages. Since at 18.8 percent copper the nickel, before it's curie transition can still produce a strong magnetic attraction, and because that temperature is just a little over 400 kelvin (which is easily manageable,) it makes perfect sense to use an alloy rather than pure nickel.

Here is how this thing actually works, now that you know what metal alloy to use:
You put on the armature, permanent magnets, and use magnetic guides to concentrate and direct their fields (like a speaker magnet does) this is easy to do - and around the armature in a housing that is placed around it, (stator housing) you put your nickel alloy strips. You do not heat the armature up, you heat only the body surrounding the armature (which contains the nickel strips.) This outer shell is the commutated portion of the motor. Obviously this arrangement can be reversed, but I figured it would be easier to tinker with this, with the commutation in the stator (the outer housing I spoke of).

You want to heat up the outer shell to approximately 423 Kelvin (this will vary slightly due to alloying variances). You want the temperature to land in the ferromagnetic temperature range of your nickel alloy, just below the curie point. Then, an electric current is applied to your nickel alloy strips (that surround the armature) to heat them up past the curie point. This temperature change only needs to be one or two degrees farenheit to get practically all the benefits of the effect. WHAT HAPPENS? This is what happens:

The nickel strips, which are naturally magnetic, will pull the magnets in the armature towards them, even without power applied. When the magnets get close to the nickel strips (but not perfectly lined up yet) a high current very low voltage pulse is sent through the nickel strips which will provide additional magnetic attraction, at the same time it heats the nickel alloy up slightly past the curie point and then the electricity gets cut off, and the armature, having been accelerated by both the magnetic attraction from the nickel alloy AND the electricity applied to that alloy, then experiences no back pull from the nickel alloy as it moves away, because the alloy is no longer magnetic after being heated slightly. The armature then coasts to the next nickel alloy strip, after having reaped the benefits of the initial pull from the nickel alloy on the previous cycle, and encounters no losses from exiting the previous cycle.

A heat sinking system needs to be in place to draw the temperature of the nickel alloy down a degree or two Fahrenheit to allow it to become ferromagnetic again before the next magnet arrives to pull on it. The electrical portion of the motor would be, in effect, a pulse driven permanent magnet motor which is the current highest efficiency motor design there is on the market right now and there would be practically no power loss from setting it in motion. The same alloy strips that are used for the over unity effect would form the electrical portion of the motor also. So practically anything at all over unity can be harvested. There is no significant power loss, and huge gains from the ferromagnetic to paramagnetic transition. The armature will not heat up despite being enclosed, because unlike an induction motor, it is not needed for transfer of magnetic forces and can be built as an open frame rather than a solid piece, which will allow excellent cooling.

All of this would require playing around to find out where a particular design hits max efficiency. Max efficiency would be achieved by having the minimum amount of current for the shortest time sent through the alloy strips to cause their temperature transition to be the minimum possible needed to drive the system. The closer to perfect that is, the faster the motor can run, and the more efficient it will be.

That's all there is to it! ..." (end quote)

I just shared this for the sake of our OU quest here, and so we should focus on the content, and not get distracted by side issues or predictable red herrings.
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You do realize that this website, Overunity.com, is based in Berlin, Germany right?  You do realize that they have laws against posting anti-semetic site links right?  If I were you, I would remove this link.

Who reads crap like this anyway?

Bill
Title: Re: "A Proposal for over unity" by Jim Stone May 24 2016
Post by: Johan_1955 on May 27, 2016, 08:14:28 AM
Who reads crap like this anyway?
Bill

Than start reading:

What did happen 100 years ago?, and who did sponsor WW2?, Rothschild US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rothschild_family)

Who did build recently wall's: http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/after-what-israel-wall-just-announcement-trump-is-smiling/ (http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/after-what-israel-wall-just-announcement-trump-is-smiling/)

Regards, Johan
Title: Re: "A Proposal for over unity" by Jim Stone May 24 2016
Post by: CANGAS on May 27, 2016, 08:37:34 AM
Quote
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I just shared this for the sake of our OU quest here, and so we should focus on the content, and not get distracted by side issues or predictable red herrings.


WTF!!

First you fling a Red Herring in our face. Then you advise us "Ignore the Red Herring!".

You are nuts.

If you are not a lying confusion artist, then don't fling a Red Herring at us in the first place.

And if you honor the Judeo Christian tradition, you are in dire need to become familiar with the pronouncement from Lord God concerning those who would bless or curse the Jews (Semites). It is in the Old Testament roughly a dozen chapters before the account of the death of Moses. Connected with the story of Baalam and Baalak. Tread with care when you go about blessing or cursing the Jews.

During the past quarter century I have exactingly analyzed roughly 500 (in all the excitement I lost count myself) potential OU devices in sufficient detail to become certain whether they could be OU within the bounds of bedrock basic Newton Mechanics. Yous does not seem to hold water.


CANGAS 235
 
Title: Re: "A Proposal for over unity" by Jim Stone May 24 2016
Post by: glennmr on May 27, 2016, 11:13:52 AM
Now isn't this interesting! - I am now "nuts" because I gave the reference link, which is the only link on the whole internet where you could find/check this quote, and obviously if I had just given the quote without the reference link, everyone would have been asking me immediately to show them where the information came from! (which is why I included it) but because some people can't handle even a reference to a site published by somebody with an outlook differing from stock-standard, they will reject the whole thing holus-bolus!  - sort of predictable.  Ok then, i won't bother anybody any more on this one, as we can already see where this thread is going to go. The actual suggested project may or may not be workable, but that's not the point.
Farewell.
Title: Re: "A Proposal for over unity" by Jim Stone May 24 2016
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 28, 2016, 03:33:23 AM
Now isn't this interesting! - I am now "nuts" because I gave the reference link, which is the only link on the whole internet where you could find/check this quote, and obviously if I had just given the quote without the reference link, everyone would have been asking me immediately to show them where the information came from! (which is why I included it) but because some people can't handle even a reference to a site published by somebody with an outlook differing from stock-standard, they will reject the whole thing holus-bolus!  - sort of predictable.  Ok then, i won't bother anybody any more on this one, as we can already see where this thread is going to go. The actual suggested project may or may not be workable, but that's not the point.
Farewell.

No, you are not nuts, you appear to be an anti-Semite as you posted that link AND after it was called to your attention, just in case you didn't know about it, you did not remove the link nor apologize. 

So, you are an idiot bigot and you have been called out.

WTF man?

Bill
Title: Re: "A Proposal for over unity" by Jim Stone May 24 2016
Post by: tak22 on May 28, 2016, 08:46:47 AM
It's a decent idea to look into and I doubt the OP had any intention other than to bring it to our attention. Plus I doubt he had time to modify anything before the time limits on editing a post elapsed.
Title: Re: "A Proposal for over unity" by Jim Stone May 24 2016
Post by: glennmr on May 28, 2016, 10:52:01 AM
No, you are not nuts, you appear to be an anti-Semite as you posted that link AND after it was called to your attention, just in case you didn't know about it, you did not remove the link nor apologize. 

So, you are an idiot bigot and you have been called out.

WTF man?

Bill

Oh, OK! - (yes, I'm back, just briefly) So I'm an ''idiot bigot" as well as "nuts" and even perhaps, horror of horrors, A_S! Anything other names you could add to your childish ad-hominem attack, to distract hopeful readers from the actual content that was shared? Wow, I had thought you guys were open-minded here, but now it appears quite the opposite - maybe open-minded in one area only but mind-controlled/closed-off in other areas - this could be a reason you are making such slow progress here. Apologize?? With due respect to the webmaster, I will not pursue any or respond to any (more) religious or HH/A_S comments here, and if we should be apologizing to anyone, then it should be to him! I will next attempt to answer some of the detractors privately via PMs, the more civil way, and won't play along with name-calling. A_S? [size=0pt]I will just counter that with a pertinent quote: "What a joke – I am anti-LIES, anti-criminal, anti-deception, anti NWO, and anti-stupidity (but PRO many good things as well, like intellectual honesty, open-mindedness and tolerance of differences in others’ beliefs to a broad extent) so if that makes me (A-S) then so be it, and I’m proud of it!" – and since you like referring back to the linked website, I will too, just once more: - It is not an A_S site, it's an Anti-BS site.

Case closed. [/size]

Title: Re: "A Proposal for over unity" by Jim Stone May 24 2016
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 28, 2016, 06:14:47 PM
Oh, OK! - (yes, I'm back, just briefly) So I'm an ''idiot bigot" as well as "nuts" and even perhaps, horror of horrors, A_S! Anything other names you could add to your childish ad-hominem attack, to distract hopeful readers from the actual content that was shared? Wow, I had thought you guys were open-minded here, but now it appears quite the opposite - maybe open-minded in one area only but mind-controlled/closed-off in other areas - this could be a reason you are making such slow progress here. Apologize?? With due respect to the webmaster, I will not pursue any or respond to any (more) religious or HH/A_S comments here, and if we should be apologizing to anyone, then it should be to him! I will next attempt to answer some of the detractors privately via PMs, the more civil way, and won't play along with name-calling. A_S? [size=0pt]I will just counter that with a pertinent quote: "What a joke – I am anti-LIES, anti-criminal, anti-deception, anti NWO, and anti-stupidity (but PRO many good things as well, like intellectual honesty, open-mindedness and tolerance of differences in others’ beliefs to a broad extent) so if that makes me (A-S) then so be it, and I’m proud of it!" – and since you like referring back to the linked website, I will too, just once more: - It is not an A_S site, it's an Anti-BS site.

Case closed. [/size]


Well, if that is what you call "yes, I'm back, just briefly" you probably need to give that a lot more thought. What a freakin' bigot!

Sheesh!

Bill
Title: Re: "A Proposal for over unity" by Jim Stone May 24 2016
Post by: memoryman on May 28, 2016, 07:00:19 PM
My 2 cents (Canadian, so 1.5 cent US).
This idea is not new. I was commenting on a similar idea last year. The problem is that the heating/cooling cycle require more energy than is 'gained'.
Title: Re: "A Proposal for over unity" by Jim Stone May 24 2016
Post by: tak22 on May 28, 2016, 09:04:39 PM
A few quick thoughts on the proposal:

- look at a linear configuration, rotary is 'the go to' method but maybe not the best.
- electrical heating isn't the only option.
- there's lots of 'waste' heat around and thermal solar is also a consideration. think hybrid system.
- it's the delta temp around the Curie point that needs heating/cooling. get it up to temp then bias it.
- targeted micro-channel cooling. geothermal cooling
- use multiple low frequency units to allow a longer heating/cooling cycle.
- match it up with another process that needs the excess heat.

This topic is tainted, anyone interested please start a new one or revive an older one on the same subject.




Title: Re: "A Proposal for over unity" by Jim Stone May 24 2016
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 28, 2016, 09:11:47 PM
Well, the original poster easily, very easily, could have said: "Holy crap!  I had no idea that there were anti Semitic postings on that link I posted.  I am very sorry and now it has been too long for me to remove the link."

That would have been cool, no problem.

But, instead he says:  "I speak the truth, I am the truth, everything I post is true,...blah, blah, blah."
I am still convinced that posting that link was, and still is, his original purpose.  What a sick Bastard you must be to think like that?

Bill