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Title: What is breakthrough energy
Post by: markdansie on May 17, 2016, 03:03:48 PM

If you go to the bottom of this you might see how mainstream science is on the quest for overunity as well

http://revolution-green.com/what-is-break-through-energy/


Kind Regards
Mark
Title: Re: What is breakthrough energy
Post by: allcanadian on May 17, 2016, 08:29:16 PM
@Mark
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The trouble is the speakers at these conferences speaking of suppression are just simply conspiracy theorists on steroids looking for an new platform.

I believe Ford was found guilty of letting hundreds of people die rather than replace a $0.25 seatbelt part and one can pick up any newspaper and read of similar instances of corporate corruption. Most experts agree corporate corruption is rampant such as the latest VW emissions scandal. The list of instances supported by fact just seems to go on and on yet here you are telling us a revolutionary new energy technology would never be suppressed... are you drunk Mark?. Oh, yes the corporations would let hundreds of people die over a $0.25 part but they would never suppress free energy, they would never do that. What you are suggesting is absurd Mark.

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The following research breaks through some known limits or “unity levels“. In real science overunity is achieving a result greater than the theoretical limits of harvesting and converting energy.

Does OU really break through some known limits?. Here's the analogy, I place a COP>1 device I designed and built on a table and fire it up. Then you and people like you take some wild ass leap of faith that this is somehow a violation of the conservation of energy and a perpetual motion machine. Should people believe your opinion based on sheer speculation and a complete lack of any real facts concerning this technology or should they presume something may be happening they do not understand?. You see, this is the problem with people who presume they must be correct about everything. It's not so much a technical issue but more so a personality disorder relating to psychology. The correct answer, the sane answer is I do now know what is happening... uhm because you don't.

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So why are these topics not covered at the BEM?
The answer may be from simple ignorance to mainstream science not fitting into the agendas of the people running these organisations.

Ignorance to mainstream science?. It could also be an exceptional grasp of mainstream science that most people cannot seem to understand. I mean we have irrefutable proof from our history that great minds not unlike Volta, Faraday, Steinmetz, Tesla, Einstein etc... routinely did what 99% of others thought impossible -- so how is this any different?. Maybe the reason you cannot understand it is because you are not a great mind, maybe, just maybe you are quite ordinary... has that thought ever occurred to you?.

In any case there is always some fool saying something cannot be done while others are in the process of doing it... it is the way of the world.

AC
Title: Re: What is breakthrough energy
Post by: markdansie on May 18, 2016, 12:02:49 AM
@Mark
I believe Ford was found guilty of letting hundreds of people die rather than replace a $0.25 seatbelt part and one can pick up any newspaper and read of similar instances of corporate corruption. Most experts agree corporate corruption is rampant such as the latest VW emissions scandal. The list of instances supported by fact just seems to go on and on yet here you are telling us a revolutionary new energy technology would never be suppressed... are you drunk Mark?. Oh, yes the corporations would let hundreds of people die over a $0.25 part but they would never suppress free energy, they would never do that. What you are suggesting is absurd Mark.

Does OU really break through some known limits?. Here's the analogy, I place a COP>1 device I designed and built on a table and fire it up. Then you and people like you take some wild ass leap of faith that this is somehow a violation of the conservation of energy and a perpetual motion machine. Should people believe your opinion based on sheer speculation and a complete lack of any real facts concerning this technology or should they presume something may be happening they do not understand?. You see, this is the problem with people who presume they must be correct about everything. It's not so much a technical issue but more so a personality disorder relating to psychology. The correct answer, the sane answer is I do now know what is happening... uhm because you don't.

Ignorance to mainstream science?. It could also be an exceptional grasp of mainstream science that most people cannot seem to understand. I mean we have irrefutable proof from our history that great minds not unlike Volta, Faraday, Steinmetz, Tesla, Einstein etc... routinely did what 99% of others thought impossible -- so how is this any different?. Maybe the reason you cannot understand it is because you are not a great mind, maybe, just maybe you are quite ordinary... has that thought ever occurred to you?.

In any case there is always some fool saying something cannot be done while others are in the process of doing it... it is the way of the world.

AC


As usual you reply with irrelevance and mix up topics like safety/emission regulations with energy suppression. We do agree on one thing, there is always a role for a fool.


Please point to me any evidence to support your rhetoric, which I doubt will happen given your track record


You opinion is important like everyone elses and support your right to express it.


Kind Regards
Mark
Title: Re: What is breakthrough energy
Post by: allcanadian on May 18, 2016, 08:13:12 AM
@Mark


It's what you implied that I found disturbing Mark.


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We often hear about splitting hydrogen in energy efficient ways, but the truth is no one has ever been able to achieve this. If so where is the evidence, the third party validation the peer review?


How do you know no one has ever achieved this?, the fact is you don't know because you can't know everything and have no credible evidence either way thus it is not a truth in any sense of the word.




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Why did they not suppress Tesla who just received deposits for over 350,000 electric cars? Surely that could be considered more disruptive to big oil than some back yard inventor with an E-CatThe trouble is the speakers at these conferences speaking of suppression are just simply conspiracy theorists on steroids looking for an new platform.


Here you imply the BEM speakers are conspiracy theorists and big oil would never suppress back yard inventors which we know is false from multiple sources. If big oil didn't suppress Tesla Motors then they would never suppress a backyard inventor is what you implied was it not?. Presuming a perceived relationship between things (Tesla and a backyard inventor) to substantiate the false notion that no backyard inventor has ever been suppressed by big oil.





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To the main speakers I ask “show me just one example of any breakthrough energy technology that can be confirmed and reliably reproduce under the Global BEM definition ” an abundant energy source, which produce zero-emissions, operate with a COP > 1″ ?

Most of these people have good intentions, but Bullshit is Bullshit.


Here you imply the speakers are full of bullshit and because you have never seen a COP>1 device they cannot exist... as you say they are bullshit. I have to wonder, does everything you have never seen in person not exist or do you simply believe it exists?.




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Be warned this is above many of our pay scales to fully understand, but I want to use it to illustrate how the quest for overunity is actually becoming  a reality in mainstream science.


Your implying this is not for us common folk and no non-scientist has any proof of OU as you have claimed many times. However now mainstream science is somehow making it a reality. So all those backyard inventors making similar claims in the past, those thousands of related patents in the past were just pseudo science and now mainstream science is doing it in reality. Uhm, no there not doing it in reality their making claims just like all those other people making claims in the past... but this time apparently it's different but not really.




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So why are these topics not covered at the BEM?The answer may be from simple ignorance to mainstream science not fitting into the agendas of the people running these organisations.
Does every agenda you do not agree with or that does not fit with mainstream science mean the people are ignorant?. I think that's a lot of ignorant people, easily over six billion I reckon. Non-conformity does not imply ignorance, that is absurd.


The whole article is littered with such innuendo and bias in my opinion. However you never say it outright but skirt around the issue always implying something from a distance and casting doubt on it as a form of pseudo verification. I understand this may be seen as just nit-picking however it pissed me off enough that I commented on it. I see this form of journalism all too often in the mainstream media where a strongly biased opinion is peddled as a neutral perspective.




AC





Title: Re: What is breakthrough energy
Post by: markdansie on May 18, 2016, 08:33:39 AM
@Mark


It's what you implied that I found disturbing Mark.



How do you know no one has ever achieved this?, the fact is you don't know because you can't know everything and have no credible evidence either way thus it is not a truth in any sense of the word.


That is easy to prove me wrong. (I am happy to be proved wrong) Show me the data. I have investigated many claims over many years and none ever was able to support the claim.





Here you imply the BEM speakers are conspiracy theorists and big oil would never suppress back yard inventors which we know is false from multiple sources. If big oil didn't suppress Tesla Motors then they would never suppress a backyard inventor is what you implied was it not?. Presuming a perceived relationship between things (Tesla and a backyard inventor) to substantiate the false notion that no backyard inventor has ever been suppressed by big oil.


I only suggested a few or one GBEM speakers. As mentioned it might have been true a decade or generation ago but at the moment the opposite is happening. Investors and governments are backing energy mavericks like Elon Musk. Also departments like DOE are backing yourng scientists working on a variety of disruptive technologies.


Here you imply the speakers are full of bullshit and because you have never seen a COP>1 device they cannot exist... as you say they are bullshit.


No the only Bullshit is when they have claimed overunity and can not back up the claim. Normally they are victums of their own measurements. I fully encourage and support research into these areas and am a researcher myself



Your implying this is not for us common folk and no non-scientist has any proof of OU as you have claimed many times. However now mainstream science is somehow making it a reality. So all those backyard inventors making similar claims in the past, those thousands of related patents in the past were just pseudo science and now mainstream science is doing it in reality. Uhm, no there not doing it in reality their making claims just like all those other people making claims in the past... but this time apparently it's different but not really.


Once again you failed to realize what I said. Main stream science is on a parallel path many backyard inventors. A patent does not prove something works as claimed, many people are often mistaken by this. As many people and websites failed to do for decadsee just show evidence, data or anything that would support one of these claims. Resorting to nonsensical rhetoric serves no purpose in forwarding knowledge, research and experience



Does every agenda you do not agree with or that does not fit with mainstream science mean the people are ignorant?. I think that's a lot of ignorant people, easily over six billion I reckon. Non-conformity does not imply ignorance, that is absurd.


No I have seen things that can not been explained by science, but the data supported the claim. You tend to generlize a lot and make assumptions. Why not focus on the detail and show me the data.


The whole article is littered with such innuendo and bias in my opinion. However you never say it outright but skirt around the issue always implying something from a distance and casting doubt on it as a form of pseudo verification. I understand this may be seen as just nit-picking however it pissed me off enough that I commented on it. I see this form of journalism all too often in the mainstream media where a strongly biased opinion is peddled as a neutral perspective.


As I said you have the right to your opinion, and I have the right to disagree with you. I base my opinion on outcomes and experience not wistful thinking.
Kind Regards




AC


Title: Re: What is breakthrough energy
Post by: allcanadian on May 18, 2016, 07:52:10 PM
@Mark
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As I said you have the right to your opinion, and I have the right to disagree with you. I base my opinion on outcomes and experience not wistful thinking.

I agree however I would also say...look at the outcome. Look at where 100 years of mainstream science, an industrial technological revolution and realistic thinking has gotten us. Our planet is slowly being turned into a giant cesspool on the verge of environmental and economic collapse so I have to ask... are you happy Mark?. Are you happy with your life and the way things have turned out?, is this what you expected so many years ago as a boy with dreams of a wondrous future?.

No offense but this train wreck you call mainstream science and realistic thinking is not what I expected so many years ago when reading those awesome articles of our possible future in popular science. The outcome of our past actions is our reality today and a sane man would conclude "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them." - Albert Einstein.

AC
Title: Re: What is breakthrough energy
Post by: gravityblock on May 19, 2016, 08:09:20 AM
Mainstream science is nothing more than a false religion designed to deceive the entire world!


Gravock
Title: Re: What is breakthrough energy
Post by: dieter on May 20, 2016, 11:27:06 PM
I just remembered why I left this forum a year ago, thinking it was a shill invested craphole.

Obviously they're like flees you can't get rid of. Or can you?
Title: Re: What is breakthrough energy
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 21, 2016, 12:23:46 AM
@Mark
I agree however I would also say...look at the outcome. Look at where 100 years of mainstream science, an industrial technological revolution and realistic thinking has gotten us. Our planet is slowly being turned into a giant cesspool on the verge of environmental and economic collapse so I have to ask... are you happy Mark?. Are you happy with your life and the way things have turned out?, is this what you expected so many years ago as a boy with dreams of a wondrous future?.

No offense but this train wreck you call mainstream science and realistic thinking is not what I expected so many years ago when reading those awesome articles of our possible future in popular science. The outcome of our past actions is our reality today and a sane man would conclude "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them." - Albert Einstein.

AC

Man, what type of drugs must you be taking if you really believe all of the crap you just wrote?

Technology has not gotten us anywhere?  Of course not...just to the moon AND, it somehow has managed to develop computers and interconnected servers allowing you to post such nonsense here.

Maybe the environment is a cesspool wherever you live but here in the States it is doing just fine.  You guys should probably clean up your area a bit maybe?

Sheesh!

Bill
Title: Re: What is breakthrough energy
Post by: markdansie on May 21, 2016, 05:37:14 AM
I just remembered why I left this forum a year ago, thinking it was a shill invested craphole.

Obviously they're like flees you can't get rid of. Or can you?


Your return supports your theory
Kind Regards
Title: Re: What is breakthrough energy
Post by: Turbo on May 21, 2016, 07:05:49 PM
Man, what type of drugs must you be taking if you really believe all of the crap you just wrote?

Technology has not gotten us anywhere?  Of course not...just to the moon AND, it somehow has managed to develop computers and interconnected servers allowing you to post such nonsense here.

Maybe the environment is a cesspool wherever you live but here in the States it is doing just fine.  You guys should probably clean up your area a bit maybe?

Sheesh!

Bill

We are worse of then before !
Sitting is the new smoking !!! i swearrrr
Obese has become #1
And this has all become too impersonal.
Do you have any idea the imact of the power needed to drive this nonsense ?
The machines will need more and more !! until it will finally destroy everything !!
Title: Re: What is breakthrough energy
Post by: SeaMonkey on May 22, 2016, 01:48:16 AM
Quote from: Pirate
Maybe the environment is a cesspool wherever you live but here in the States it is doing just fine.  You guys should probably clean up your area a bit maybe?

I wish that sentiment were indeed true.  The destruction of the
environment and humanity within the United States is being done
a bit more stealthily than in those targeted nations where the
U.S. has embarked upon Regime Change or War, but it is going
on right on schedule in accordance with the AGENDA. (http://www.therebel.is/news/kaminski/876497-our-sick-society-eagerly-creates-sick-children)

The "Average American" [Boobus Americanus] is oblivious to the
destruction as a consequence of the highly effective "brainwashing"
achieved by the Mainstream Media and Entertainment outlets.  A
fearful, dumbed down populace is easily manipulated and controlled.
Title: Re: What is breakthrough energy
Post by: allcanadian on May 22, 2016, 05:27:49 AM
@Pirate
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Technology has not gotten us anywhere?  Of course not...just to the moon AND, it somehow has managed to develop computers and interconnected servers allowing you to post such nonsense here.


Science and Technology have done many amazing things in our life time.


Our children no longer play outside with friends but prefer to watch television and play video games... the playgrounds are generally empty. On average most adults spend less than two hours per day outside and even less time with their children.


The question to ask is are we happier with all this technology?, we rarely talk in person but prefer email, texting or facebook. Both parents generally work longer hours but seldom really get ahead and spend almost no time with their children. Are we really happier?, disease is on the rise and cancer is reaching near epidemic levels, stress and anxiety is rampant. Many people can barely afford to pay their utility bills while power and water shortages are on the increase. 95% of all fresh water is polluted and all groundwater globally is virtually disappearing. Pollution kills more people than all diseases combined and science tells us within 10-15 years all antibiotics will be ineffective.



The newest trend which started a few years ago is product and food shortages in North America. Things appear to be out of stock or prices on some thing super inflated and this trend is on the increase.


If science and technology is so wonderful then why has it created so many problems and so few real sustainable working solutions?. That is the question, are we really better off treating science as a kind of religion considering very few things that really matter are actually getting better?. Are we really happier, are we healthier, are things actually getting better globally?... the overwhelming consensus says no.


AC





Title: Re: What is breakthrough energy
Post by: forest on May 22, 2016, 06:17:03 AM
AMEN
Title: Re: What is breakthrough energy
Post by: memoryman on May 23, 2016, 03:21:48 PM
Science is a methodology, a practice.
"If science and technology is so wonderful then why has it created so many problems and so few real sustainable working solutions?" Really? Without Science what do you have? Superstition, ignorance, quackery.
All Science does is provide an understanding of how nature works; the application of that knowledge can be as we, humans, decide to use it. Science does not 'do' anything. It allows US to do something.
"has it created so many problems and so few real sustainable working solutions?" very debatable.
The application of science has allowed eradication of many diseases, increased food production and quality.
Title: Re: What is breakthrough energy
Post by: allcanadian on May 23, 2016, 05:35:31 PM
@memoryman
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Science is a methodology, a practice.


I would agree.

 
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Really? Without Science what do you have? Superstition, ignorance, quackery.[/size]


Isn't that what we already have now?, 80% of the population believe an all knowing, all seeing god created the universe. As well in most every textbook they teach that positive (+) charges flow in a conductor which is quackery, only the free electrons move. They use lines of force which are imaginary and other fictitious terms which never describe what is actually happening. The issue I see is that people have made science, the understanding of nature, so complicated that it has become out of reach for most of the population. An exclusive club with it's own special language very few can seem to understand... I'm surprised they don't have a secret hand shake and pointed hats. It relates more to conformity than understanding in my opinion.

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All Science does is provide an understanding of how nature works; the application of that knowledge can be as we, humans, decide to use it. Science does not 'do' anything. It allows US to do something.


Science influences our decisions thus it does in fact do something. Once something is deemed a law of science it is seldom questioned and if we do question it we are ridiculed not unlike religion. Science has become something which dictates terms of how nature must always act rather than how it actually acts. Questioning science or religion generally produce the same result thus they must have many similarities if we follow the scientific method.


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"has it created so many problems and so few real sustainable working solutions?" very debatable.
The application of science has allowed eradication of many diseases, increased food production and quality.


I would agree some diseases have remained dormant however cancer, diabetes and super-strains of the flu are on the increase globally. Food production has increased however I think all would agree it is of inferior quality. The organic food I grow in my garden is superior in every respect to that I buy in a store.


As I said I love science and technology however I also understand it well enough to know it's limitations. This is not a cult and nobody should be treating it as such by forcing others to conform to their particular beliefs concerning science and nature. If we actually believe in science then we must look at science in itself and how it has effected or influenced us without bias... anything less is not science.


The fact of the matter is that science seems to have produced technology which is making things worse not better when looking at the big picture and our actual quality of life and happiness and I wonder why this is so. Climate change, pollution, inferior quality food, food and water shortages, increasing disease and a complete dependence on energy intensive unsustainable technologies. If science and technology is so great then why is everything going so wrong?.



AC
Title: Re: What is breakthrough energy
Post by: memoryman on May 23, 2016, 06:24:10 PM
AC, your statements of the state of the world are not shared with me; my view is far more optimistic. Organically grown food CAN be better, but isn't always.
The level of understanding of elementary science and math is very low in the general population. That shows up in the many ridiculous posts and comments here and other websites. That's why people such as Gerard Morin and Keshe have followers. That's why there is a fanatical belief in what the IPCC promotes: man caused global warming.
When I was taught electricity in the late 50s, it included all that was known then; not that much has changed.
Title: Re: What is breakthrough energy
Post by: allcanadian on May 23, 2016, 07:19:50 PM
@memoryman
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AC, your statements of the state of the world are not shared with me; my view is far more optimistic. Organically grown food CAN be better, but isn't always.
The level of understanding of elementary science and math is very low in the general population. That shows up in the many ridiculous posts and comments here and other websites. That's why people such as Gerard Morin and Keshe have followers. That's why there is a fanatical belief in what the IPCC promotes: man caused global warming.
When I was taught electricity in the late 50s, it included all that was known then; not that much has changed.


I agree with most everything you have said however as a person gets older and hopefully wiser I have started to question our wisdom and direction. Don't get me wrong, I'm the sci/tech guy, and their is hardly a question you could ask me about anything that I could not give a reasonable answer to. I live and breath it however my dream I hope to realize soon is a little off-grid cabin along the lake free of technology.


It would seem to be a contradiction and yet most everyone I talk to has similar thoughts... to get away from technology and back to nature, why is this?. I believe it is because science and technology has consumed our lives and we are taught to conform to an artificial system most do not actually like... it does not necessarily improve our quality of life. Quantity is not quality and both parents working all day away from their family towards something which never really makes them happy seems absurd.


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That's why people such as Gerard Morin and Keshe have followers. That's why there is a fanatical belief in what the IPCC promotes: man caused global warming.


Global warming is a misnomer meant to take attention away from the real issue which is rapidly rising levels of pollution. It is a scientific fact that we have literally saturated our whole environment with chemicals which is why cancer and other diseases are becoming epidemic. Within 20-30 years they say there will be more plastic in our oceans than fish and the fish are disappearing at a record rate. The fact remains that no truly intelligent person should be thinking they can just keep shitting in their own back yard and nothing will come of it. It is not a sign of intelligence it is a sign of complete ignorance to the facts and more so common sense.


Think of it this way, if we added up all the pollution one person generates in one year it would probably fill the average yard higher than the roof of their house. Where exactly do you think all this pollution goes?, it doesn't just disappear, it goes out into our environment somewhere else. There are 7.3 Billion people and they say 20 billion by 2050, do you understand how much pollution this will generate?.


Let me ask you a question... do you honestly think anyone is going to reduce their rate of consumption of resources which is causing all this pollution?. Well no they won't voluntarily reduce anything which should give you some indication of what the future holds in store for humanity.




AC







Title: Re: What is breakthrough energy
Post by: memoryman on May 23, 2016, 09:07:23 PM
AC, too much to reply in depth for now.
Pollution is a whole separate topic, but again, I don't have your bleak outlook.
As Mark Dansie said, it is not the experimenting with 'impossible' tech (I am somewhat doing that myself) but the claims that certain people involved with the GBEM make without backing the claims up with any evidence. Some of the highly promoted books/cds on OU.COM are by Bedini and Lindemann; neither one had ever demonstrated a real OU device.
Title: Re: What is breakthrough energy
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 23, 2016, 10:17:28 PM
@memoryman

I agree with most everything you have said however as a person gets older and hopefully wiser I have started to question our wisdom and direction. Don't get me wrong, I'm the sci/tech guy, and their is hardly a question you could ask me about anything that I could not give a reasonable answer to. I live and breath it however my dream I hope to realize soon is a little off-grid cabin along the lake free of technology.


It would seem to be a contradiction and yet most everyone I talk to has similar thoughts... to get away from technology and back to nature, why is this?. I believe it is because science and technology has consumed our lives and we are taught to conform to an artificial system most do not actually like... it does not necessarily improve our quality of life. Quantity is not quality and both parents working all day away from their family towards something which never really makes them happy seems absurd.



Global warming is a misnomer meant to take attention away from the real issue which is rapidly rising levels of pollution. It is a scientific fact that we have literally saturated our whole environment with chemicals which is why cancer and other diseases are becoming epidemic. Within 20-30 years they say there will be more plastic in our oceans than fish and the fish are disappearing at a record rate. The fact remains that no truly intelligent person should be thinking they can just keep shitting in their own back yard and nothing will come of it. It is not a sign of intelligence it is a sign of complete ignorance to the facts and more so common sense.


Think of it this way, if we added up all the pollution one person generates in one year it would probably fill the average yard higher than the roof of their house. Where exactly do you think all this pollution goes?, it doesn't just disappear, it goes out into our environment somewhere else. There are 7.3 Billion people and they say 20 billion by 2050, do you understand how much pollution this will generate?.


Let me ask you a question... do you honestly think anyone is going to reduce their rate of consumption of resources which is causing all this pollution?. Well no they won't voluntarily reduce anything which should give you some indication of what the future holds in store for humanity.




AC

Well, I just got my electric bill for the past month and it is $32 US.  A little high for me actually but, we have had some crazy weather here.  Why is my bill about $100/month lower than all of my friends? ($200 lower in the case of one of them)  Because I reduced it because I wanted to.

It saves me money and I just happen to know how to lower my usage.

How do you get out of bed in the morning being so negative?  Attitude is everything and where you see "pollution everywhere" I see rivers that are clean now as compared to just 30 years ago.  NY City tap water is rated healthier than most bottled waters...air is cleaner, much cleaner than just 20 years ago.

I do not cut my bill to save the planet...it was here before mankind and will here long after.

What was your electric bill for this past month?  Are you walking the walk or just doing the talk?

Bill

PS  I am not using wind nor solar as I live in an apartment complex and that is verboten.
Title: Re: What is breakthrough energy
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 23, 2016, 10:20:09 PM
Science is a methodology, a practice.
"If science and technology is so wonderful then why has it created so many problems and so few real sustainable working solutions?" Really? Without Science what do you have? Superstition, ignorance, quackery.
All Science does is provide an understanding of how nature works; the application of that knowledge can be as we, humans, decide to use it. Science does not 'do' anything. It allows US to do something.
"has it created so many problems and so few real sustainable working solutions?" very debatable.
The application of science has allowed eradication of many diseases, increased food production and quality.

Very well stated Sir.

Bill
Title: Re: What is breakthrough energy
Post by: SeaMonkey on May 23, 2016, 10:42:31 PM
Those who wield the true Power behind the scenes, those
same ones who promote the AGENDA for the New Order of
the World, believe they must destroy Earth in order to re-
create it to their liking.

They are deadly serious about their coming actionss to
severely reduce the population of the World by means of
destructive Warfare.  They care not about the great
destruction they plan to bring to all areas of the Planet
in order to achieve their aims - they believe that they have
the ability to re-generate the Planet by means of its ability
to essentially heal itself.

Their Plan permits extensive pollution of the Planet as
large quantities of "consumer products" are manufactured
to enhance their already massive wealth.  Money is the engine
of their Plan to bring Order (Peace and Security for themselves)
out of the Chaos which they have planned for the masses of
Useless Eaters and Cattle (the Goyim.)

What is soon to come cannot be stopped - those who are
enforcing the AGENDA have acquired too much wealth, power
and influence over all of the Nations.  The People have no say
in International Affairs.
Title: Re: What is breakthrough energy
Post by: memoryman on May 23, 2016, 11:11:55 PM
SeaMonkey, that view is not shared by me. I refuse to quit; I sooner die trying.
Title: Re: What is breakthrough energy
Post by: SeaMonkey on May 24, 2016, 12:12:35 AM
Quote from: memoryman
SeaMonkey, that view is not shared by me. I refuse to quit; I sooner die trying.

That is a most commendable response.  The trick is to find
a way to resist what is coming without compromising integrity
and ethics (http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=133474); without becoming one of them (http://henrymakow.com/australian_satanist_exposes_wo.html).

For the vast majority, Resistance is Futile.

It will be unlike anything the World has yet seen.

Their powers are immense and almost Magical.
Title: Re: What is breakthrough energy
Post by: tinman on May 24, 2016, 01:31:13 AM
Well, I just got my electric bill for the past month and it is $32 US.  A little high for me actually but, we have had some crazy weather here.  Why is my bill about $100/month lower than all of my friends? ($200 lower in the case of one of them)  Because I reduced it because I wanted to.

It saves me money and I just happen to know how to lower my usage.



I do not cut my bill to save the planet...it was here before mankind and will here long after.

What was your electric bill for this past month?  Are you walking the walk or just doing the talk?

Bill

PS  I am not using wind nor solar as I live in an apartment complex and that is verboten.

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How do you get out of bed in the morning being so negative?  Attitude is everything and where you see "pollution everywhere" I see rivers that are clean now as compared to just 30 years ago.  NY City tap water is rated healthier than most bottled waters...air is cleaner, much cleaner than just 20 years ago.

Perhaps Bill you do not see the real world.
It is not as pretty as you think.
Things are getting worse--not better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LaPnPZxXTI

Brad
Title: Re: What is breakthrough energy
Post by: tinman on May 24, 2016, 01:42:26 AM
@memoryman

I would agree.

 

Isn't that what we already have now?, 80% of the population believe an all knowing, all seeing god created the universe. As well in most every textbook they teach that positive (+) charges flow in a conductor which is quackery, only the free electrons move. They use lines of force which are imaginary and other fictitious terms which never describe what is actually happening. The issue I see is that people have made science, the understanding of nature, so complicated that it has become out of reach for most of the population. An exclusive club with it's own special language very few can seem to understand... I'm surprised they don't have a secret hand shake and pointed hats. It relates more to conformity than understanding in my opinion.


Science influences our decisions thus it does in fact do something. Once something is deemed a law of science it is seldom questioned and if we do question it we are ridiculed not unlike religion. Science has become something which dictates terms of how nature must always act rather than how it actually acts. Questioning science or religion generally produce the same result thus they must have many similarities if we follow the scientific method.



I would agree some diseases have remained dormant however cancer, diabetes and super-strains of the flu are on the increase globally. Food production has increased however I think all would agree it is of inferior quality. The organic food I grow in my garden is superior in every respect to that I buy in a store.


As I said I love science and technology however I also understand it well enough to know it's limitations. This is not a cult and nobody should be treating it as such by forcing others to conform to their particular beliefs concerning science and nature. If we actually believe in science then we must look at science in itself and how it has effected or influenced us without bias... anything less is not science.


The fact of the matter is that science seems to have produced technology which is making things worse not better when looking at the big picture and our actual quality of life and happiness and I wonder why this is so. Climate change, pollution, inferior quality food, food and water shortages, increasing disease and a complete dependence on energy intensive unsustainable technologies. If science and technology is so great then why is everything going so wrong?.



AC

Aint that the truth.

Science only reveals what the !powers that be! want it to reveal.
The good stuff is hidden,as there is no money to be made there.

I love how these new diseases and illnesses just keep popping into existence :D
Of course,you then need to seek medical attention,and spend a whopping great chunk of your paycheck to obtain the required pharmaceuticals to combat said !new! virus .


Brad
Title: Re: What is breakthrough energy
Post by: Dog-One on May 24, 2016, 12:52:26 PM
I love how these new diseases and illnesses just keep popping into existence :D
Of course,you then need to seek medical attention,and spend a whopping great chunk of your paycheck to obtain the required pharmaceuticals to combat said !new! virus .


Good luck treating this:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/05/21/your-radiation-this-week-no-57/


People wandering around like zombies, everyone is tired.   Must be Spring Fever right?


But if you were to catch the criminals with their hands in the cookie jar, they'd just tell you it's good for you and not to worry.  Everything is under control.


Damn straight it is.
Title: Re: What is breakthrough energy
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 24, 2016, 08:34:28 PM
Well, I just got my electric bill for the past month and it is $32 US.  A little high for me actually but, we have had some crazy weather here.  Why is my bill about $100/month lower than all of my friends? ($200 lower in the case of one of them)  Because I reduced it because I wanted to.

It saves me money and I just happen to know how to lower my usage.

How do you get out of bed in the morning being so negative?  Attitude is everything and where you see "pollution everywhere" I see rivers that are clean now as compared to just 30 years ago.  NY City tap water is rated healthier than most bottled waters...air is cleaner, much cleaner than just 20 years ago.

I do not cut my bill to save the planet...it was here before mankind and will here long after.

What was your electric bill for this past month?  Are you walking the walk or just doing the talk?

Bill

PS  I am not using wind nor solar as I live in an apartment complex and that is verboten.

I forgot...about 5 years ago, our county added a flat rate $5.00/month recycling charge to everyone's electric bill.

So, that makes my actual electric usage bill, not counting state, county and city taxes, $24.  I have found that even if I only use $18 worth of power, I still get charged the minimum billing of $20.

So, I think that is a pretty low usage of electricity considering everything in my apt. is electric...heat pump, water heater, cooking stove, etc.  I cook dinner every night too, unless I am eating leftovers.

So, Al Gore owns 5 homes and just the home in TN uses over $5,000.00/month electricity.  (This was exposed by a Nashville TV News program as this home is in that area...only like 25 miles from me)  He flies around in his private jet that other folks are paying for and yet, he claims he is doing his part to use less energy?

To that I say: Poppycock!

Bill
Title: Re: What is breakthrough energy
Post by: SeaMonkey on May 24, 2016, 09:41:35 PM
Pirate,

Could you tell us how many KiloWatt Hours you were billed for and
what the cost per KWH is?

In some areas of the country the cost of grid electricity is very
high so cost comparisons are not an accurate gauge of usage.
Title: Re: What is breakthrough energy
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 24, 2016, 10:16:15 PM
Pirate,

Could you tell us how many KiloWatt Hours you were billed for and
what the cost per KWH is?

In some areas of the country the cost of grid electricity is very
high so cost comparisons are not an accurate gauge of usage.

Sure...when I get home from work I will remember (hopefully) to look at my bill and I will post that info.  We are pretty low here compared to when I lived in NJ.

Bill
Title: Re: What is breakthrough energy
Post by: allcanadian on May 24, 2016, 11:43:40 PM
@pirate
Quote
How do you get out of bed in the morning being so negative?  Attitude is everything and where you see "pollution everywhere" I see rivers that are clean now as compared to just 30 years ago.  NY City tap water is rated healthier than most bottled waters...air is cleaner, much cleaner than just 20 years ago.

Most people I meet think I am fairly optimistic however I am also very realistic. Sure we have big problems however admitting we have a problem is the first step to solving them... denial is not a solution.

Regarding your denial...http://nypost.com/2015/03/05/nyc-air-could-kill-you-doctors/. Most people agree nyc has major pollution problems at every level however you are too deeply immersed in it to know the difference. The problem is "normal" can be anything, a man living in a polluted slum next to the dump who eats trash may call this normal. A man living in the mountains breathing fresh unpolluted air and drinking mountain water straight from a stream may call this normal. As we can see in these examples normal may fall at completely different extremes of the spectrum.

I grew up 90 miles from the closest city, 5 miles from the nearest neighbor and spent most of my days outdoors. Thus endless miles of green prairie grass on rolling hills and clear clean rivers were my normal. Today I live on an acreage and my back yard would cover 14 of your city blocks with a creek, a good well, a dugout full of fish and green pastures for my horses. Wide open spaces free of people, no pollution, clean air, clean water is my normal by choice which is the absolute polar opposite to your lifestyle.

So of course we would have a difference of opinion because I could never live in what you call normal, to me it is not normal by any means compared to my lifestyle. No offense but to be honest I find it disturbing that cramming that many people into such a small polluted space is becoming the new normal.

AC
Title: Re: What is breakthrough energy
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 25, 2016, 12:20:33 AM
@pirate
Most people I meet think I am fairly optimistic however I am also very realistic. Sure we have big problems however admitting we have a problem is the first step to solving them... denial is not a solution.

Regarding your denial...http://nypost.com/2015/03/05/nyc-air-could-kill-you-doctors/. Most people agree nyc has major pollution problems at every level however you are too deeply immersed in it to know the difference. The problem is "normal" can be anything, a man living in a polluted slum next to the dump who eats trash may call this normal. A man living in the mountains breathing fresh unpolluted air and drinking mountain water straight from a stream may call this normal. As we can see in these examples normal may fall at completely different extremes of the spectrum.

I grew up 90 miles from the closest city, 5 miles from the nearest neighbor and spent most of my days outdoors. Thus endless miles of green prairie grass on rolling hills and clear clean rivers were my normal. Today I live on an acreage and my back yard would cover 14 of your city blocks with a creek, a good well, a dugout full of fish and green pastures for my horses. Wide open spaces free of people, no pollution, clean air, clean water is my normal by choice which is the absolute polar opposite to your lifestyle.

So of course we would have a difference of opinion because I could never live in what you call normal, to me it is not normal by any means compared to my lifestyle. No offense but to be honest I find it disturbing that cramming that many people into such a small polluted space is becoming the new normal.

AC

Well, I live in Kentucky which has more lakes per square mile than any other state except Alaska.  Our rivers and streams are very clean as are our wilderness areas.  I have no idea where you think we are "cramming that many people into such a small polluted space" ...nothing could be further from the truth.  More total negativity coming from you once again.  You really should try to look on the bright side...you know?  At least once in a while.  Being realistic is looking at life as it really is, not as you think it is with your negative outlook.

There are less than 3 million people in my entire state so, I have no idea what you are talking about.  By the way, no credible person quotes the NY Post...sort of like quoting the National Enquirer...same thing really.  If you have never been to NY you might not know that but, just a heads up for you.

Cheer up man.

Bill
Title: Re: What is breakthrough energy
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 25, 2016, 01:53:18 AM
Pirate,

Could you tell us how many KiloWatt Hours you were billed for and
what the cost per KWH is?

In some areas of the country the cost of grid electricity is very
high so cost comparisons are not an accurate gauge of usage.

I just checked my bill and I used 160 KWH for this billing period.  It also says I used the same 160 for the same month last year.  It does not show the rate and, I checked their website and they say to call to check the rate per kwh.  $28 of my bill is for the electric, the rest is for recycling fees according to my online bill.  So, I suppose that is 17.5 cents per kwh.  That is much higher than I thought but, they did just get a large rate increase.

Bill
Title: Re: What is breakthrough energy
Post by: allcanadian on May 25, 2016, 05:08:23 AM
@Pirate
Quote
Well, I live in Kentucky which has more lakes per square mile than any other state except Alaska.  Our rivers and streams are very clean as are our wilderness areas.  I have no idea where you think we are "cramming that many people into such a small polluted space" ...nothing could be further from the truth.  More total negativity coming from you once again.  You really should try to look on the bright side...you know?  At least once in a while.  Being realistic is looking at life as it really is, not as you think it is with your negative outlook.


I thought you said you were from NYC and then I thought what in the hell are you talking about?... no pollution. My bad Bill and I apologize for being a dork, lol.


Now I'm jealous with you talking about all those lakes and wilderness areas, I hear Kentucky is a very nice place.


Quote
So, I suppose that is 17.5 cents per kwh.  That is much higher than I thought but, they did just get a large rate increase.


17.5 cents per kWh seems pretty high, here in southern Alberta I have a contract with my local REA (Rural Electrification Association) and my rate is 7.2 cents per kWh. My rate has not changed in three years and it may be because their dropping in wind farms all over the place. The utilities are also installing HV power lines everywhere so the wind farms can run at maximum capacity. It makes sense here on the prairies with lots of open space and high winds coming off the Rocky Mountains. 




AC
Title: Re: What is breakthrough energy
Post by: tinman on May 25, 2016, 12:40:54 PM
I just checked my bill and I used 160 KWH for this billing period.  It also says I used the same 160 for the same month last year.  It does not show the rate and, I checked their website and they say to call to check the rate per kwh.  $28 of my bill is for the electric, the rest is for recycling fees according to my online bill.  So, I suppose that is 17.5 cents per kwh.  That is much higher than I thought but, they did just get a large rate increase.

Bill

Wow,you guys have cheap power over there.
Here in Oz,we pay 48 cents a kwh.


Brad
Title: Re: What is breakthrough energy
Post by: wattsup on May 25, 2016, 03:13:50 PM
@markdansie

Breakthrough energy is nothing if there is no breaking out mindset to match it. An inventor can by accident find a breakthrough effect, even build a device, show it, gets killed or is shut up, then it's gone forever. We have seen that many times on this forum.

But if the mindset matures and people start to open up to new perspectives of how our present energy actually works and not to what our present energy responds, because we are presently only in a response phase of our technology basically skimming the surface of our effects. We know if me make X turns of wire on this core and y turns of another wire on the same core, the x-y coupling can be predicted, therefore we know what we are doing. No we don't. We think we know what we are doing because what we are doing works. That does not provide why it works and why it does not work for OU. So what are we doing wrong? Well for one thing, we expect this next generation of advancement will be realized or dictated under our own terms, under our present EE constructs, under the Laws and formulae provided by what our present toys respond to. So we keep the blinders on and hope for a "miracle". But the miracle will not manifest itself. So what is wrong? hahaha

That's why I have been spending the last 5 years looking elsewhere. hehehe

Here is a small example of our present technological lunacy, even though it works.

Everyone has been taught how AC works. The sine wave indicates a half cycle on the hot and another half on the neutral wire of the AC mains wall socket and by this the current is "flowing" back and forth from one hot line direction then from the neutral line in reverse direction, etc. Does everyone agree with this basic widely accepted premise. This goes all the way back to Tesla so after 100 something years we should all be confident that AC works as it is called "a current is alternating in direction from hot to neutral to hot to neutral to hot and so on".

So on your bench your scope is plugged into the mains wall socket. Right. It is receiving half a cycle from the hot and half a cycle from the neutral line. Right or wrong. Let's say I am right.

Now we have I = V/R. This basically says for any line to have current, it needs voltage and resistance. Mix them how you want you still need those two ingredients. So for current to alternate in an AC hot/neutral pair, the voltage has to alternate as well since the resistance will, more often then not, be a fixed value. Right or wrong? Let's say I am right. OK, ok, forget the phasing issues because that is irrelevant. hehehe

So on your bench is a very small transformer and you pulse the primary with your FG set at 50% duty and 1 volt. You connect your scope probe and ground to the secondary to measure a very bad output in the mV range. A very weak wave form is shown at the 1 volt scope setting so you change the volts setting to 100 mV and see exactly how the slightest changes in that weak waveform in a much larger format. Great isn't it? So much insight indeed. But wait one minute. Something is wrong here. Knowing that the scope probe ground clip is actually grounded to the scope chassis that is actually connected to the neutral line as well as the earth ground line of the home how is this possible? How is it possible that you can measure a mV differential while your ground clip is also supposed to supply half the 120 vac so your scope can actually work? hahahahaha (5 years later) hahahahahaha

So simple you could laugh......... or cry. I cry because I have 100's of these small problems where logic is required to take a back seat to imperfect constructs.

Let's change channels. So, as the commoner becomes more and more aware of the actual powers that control our society from past to present we discover that not only our money is rigged, our school system is rigged, our physics is rigged to the point that one must concede that everything we think is real is derived from what has been permitted to be perceived as real by a few very powerful groups. A group of scientists in Geneva did a worldwide economic study on corporate ownership and found that there are 120 corporations who now own 80% of the World's wealth. So much power is so few hands. This had been growing incrementally since the 1750's. But noooooooo, it has to be a conspiracy theory so go back to sleep.

OK Question: After Morgan Stanley (1/120) burned down Tesla's tower in order to maintain full control over power distribution profits, do you really think he stopped there? Do you really think this was his only hindrance to mankind? Would you not expect him to call all of those responsible in academia as well as other government departments and order them to fully vet any future advancement of knowledge ensuring that anything that could mildly lead to independent energy production methods would be totally subverted. You bet your fat dollar bill he did. Not only him but actually that order came from the top echelons by our friends in the UK (???/120). It's simple man. If one had the capacity and means to do a complete unbiased forensic analysis of how and what and by who technologies were introduced to the common man, we will realize that in every case the prime directive is "never give out anything that may lead to OU". We have been pounding our heads against a brick wall but that wall is not a natural wall of potential discovery, it is man made, man controlled, man enforced and nothing in all of our advancements was ever put forth from natural intellectual progression. It was totally manipulated from the start. Otherwise we would have  introduced the negative diode at the same moment that the positive diode was presented.

From the days of Faraday who would have preferred to spend his days blowing glass and polishing telescopic lenses to our present day, this wall thrives on the fact that people will accept whatever knowledge if it means putting food on the table. In the days of Faraday can you find one soul who is documented to have vehemently opposed his formulations for cause and effect? Where are the transcripts of the vetting process? Where was the opposition? How can there be any opposition when the same powers that hired Faraday where the ones that had the official power to integrate his ideas into the "accepted norms".

If a true society had one intent and that is for the betterment of all mankind and not only a few, then when society was first confronted by the proposed Law of Conservation of Energy that would thereafter become a leash for humanity to accept itself to be bound within its limits, those men should have been taken out and shot on the spot as the harbingers of intellectual stagnation. How can a science accept such a notion and call itself science? It is like telling all persons of faith, you can never be that good. It's spitting in the face of knowledge and the advancement of same. As a perfect vector, it is what a group of perverted minds would want to foment to ensure docility and abdication in the minds of the masses. You learn this way, or, you do not eat. You get too smart for your britches and you will end or you will work for them.

The OUer must be fully aware of the battle at hand and be advised that there are those who will act as your diversion. While you are busy drinking the EE Kool-Aid you will never feel thirsty enough to ask for something else. So today for our simple coil, we are asked to entertain resistance, inductance, impedance, reactance, capacitance, voltage, current, electrons, current flow, electron flow, alternating current, direct current, E fields, B fields, field collapse and so much more, all these in one little itty bitty coil. Talk about multiple personality disorder. Then once you have mastered these you are then asked to contemplate the wonderful world of ideal coils, ideal voltages, ideal capacitors. All of these mixed about with a barrage of formulas and Laws of cause and effect but when all are taken to a court of nature, none can provide any proof of same. All are simply enforced as the "That's the way it is technology" of the day, of our days and all simply creating another shell around man's mind that can no longer see a clear horizon. So...... were is this breakthrough? What is required is a mind break out because breakthroughs will habitually only add another layer to the shielding of our reality.

wattsup

Title: Re: What is breakthrough energy
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 25, 2016, 04:35:17 PM
@Pirate

I thought you said you were from NYC and then I thought what in the hell are you talking about?... no pollution. My bad Bill and I apologize for being a dork, lol.


Now I'm jealous with you talking about all those lakes and wilderness areas, I hear Kentucky is a very nice place.



17.5 cents per kWh seems pretty high, here in southern Alberta I have a contract with my local REA (Rural Electrification Association) and my rate is 7.2 cents per kWh. My rate has not changed in three years and it may be because their dropping in wind farms all over the place. The utilities are also installing HV power lines everywhere so the wind farms can run at maximum capacity. It makes sense here on the prairies with lots of open space and high winds coming off the Rocky Mountains. 




AC

No problem.  I was born and raised in NJ so, maybe that caused some confusion.  I have lived here in KY for some 34 years, or thereabouts.  I have no desire to move back anywhere on the east coast, ha ha.

$.175/kwh seems a bit high to me as well as when I moved here it was about $.05.  Wow, Brad just posted that he pays over 40 cents down there....now that is high!

I think ours is reasonable because we are linked to the TVA and they use both nukes and wind/solar even though, they claim the wind/solar is not paying for itself as of yet.

Bill
Title: Re: What is breakthrough energy
Post by: allcanadian on May 26, 2016, 02:53:32 PM
@wattsup
Quote
Everyone has been taught how AC works. The sine wave indicates a half cycle on the hot and another half on the neutral wire of the AC mains wall socket and by this the current is "flowing" back and forth from one hot line direction then from the neutral line in reverse direction, etc. Does everyone agree with this basic widely accepted premise.


The hot wire generally alternates between +120v to -120v and the neutral wire which is bonded to ground is neutral. Which is a way of saying the potential of the hot wire simply rises to 120v with respect to ground then falls to zero, reverses polarity then again rises to 120v then falls to zero. As the neutral conductor is bonded to ground the hot wire can easily power a load connected to any good ground point. Remember voltage is the difference in potential between two points, the hot wire and the ground plane.


Note most power lines to residential transformers only have one wire, the hot wire with the Alternating Current and the second conductor is literally the ground. The ground is simply a massive reservoir of free electrons which the hot wire pumps... like an electron pump.


AC
Title: Re: What is breakthrough energy
Post by: memoryman on May 26, 2016, 04:32:57 PM
There are several incorrect parts to your post; the worst is: "The ground is simply a massive reservoir of free electrons which the hot wire pumps... like an electron pump".
Ground is not needed for electron flow, unless it is designed into the circuit to be such.
Title: Re: What is breakthrough energy
Post by: wattsup on May 28, 2016, 01:06:31 PM
@AC

I will open a new thread and lock it hopefully tomorrow where I will start on Spin Conveyance. I will also post it at OUR. From there if you wish we can continue this discussion either here (if this thread is not going anywhere further) or on a new companion thread.

I had prepared a long post but realize guys really need the base first. Once the base is understood, you guys are actually way smart enough to build new correlations to our effects. But let's just start from step one.

Sorry if my previous post may have been off topic.

wattsup

Title: Re: What is breakthrough energy
Post by: wattsup on June 21, 2016, 02:14:29 AM
@AC and @all

OK, I have now reopened and upgraded my own forum and have started to put up information on Spin Conveyance and more. For anyone interested it is located here.....

http://etherimpress.com/forum/index.php?topic=684.msg2326#msg2326

Good luck to all.

wattsup
Title: A weird question
Post by: Reiyuki on June 22, 2016, 04:39:19 PM
I have a question/thought related to the 'frictional coefficient' between two differently spinning charges in SCT.

  Imagine you have 2 cylinders next to each-other spinning at different rates.  If they touch, they transfer energy between each-other and eventually match spin velocities.  The amount of energy transfer in physics is the frictional coefficient.

  If you were to look at it one-dimensionally, space in CT would resemble a non-newtonian fluid (becomes harder the harder it is struck).  Spin leaks out with minimal affect at low energies but imparts significant change at high velocities (Tesla's Disrupted Discharges or damped waves).

  In conventional EE, it would be modelled as the 'near field vs far field'  or that  funny gap between fields and waves at ~50-500khz.  And of course, extremely high frequencies would appear as solid lumps of charge (IE: photons or radioactive particles), while extremely low frequency would appear with thermal effects.


  It would seem like one possible OU venue under CT theory would be to slowly spin up an object to high voltage and quickly discharge it, imparting some extra force on space in one direction but not the other due to this frictional imbalance.  Magnetostriction amplifiers would be the way to go if this is the case.


  I hope I am explaining that in a way that makes sense..  Does it?