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Offline markdansie

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What is breakthrough energy
« on: May 17, 2016, 03:03:48 PM »

If you go to the bottom of this you might see how mainstream science is on the quest for overunity as well

http://revolution-green.com/what-is-break-through-energy/


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What is breakthrough energy
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Re: What is breakthrough energy
« Reply #1 on: May 17, 2016, 08:29:16 PM »
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The trouble is the speakers at these conferences speaking of suppression are just simply conspiracy theorists on steroids looking for an new platform.

I believe Ford was found guilty of letting hundreds of people die rather than replace a $0.25 seatbelt part and one can pick up any newspaper and read of similar instances of corporate corruption. Most experts agree corporate corruption is rampant such as the latest VW emissions scandal. The list of instances supported by fact just seems to go on and on yet here you are telling us a revolutionary new energy technology would never be suppressed... are you drunk Mark?. Oh, yes the corporations would let hundreds of people die over a $0.25 part but they would never suppress free energy, they would never do that. What you are suggesting is absurd Mark.

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The following research breaks through some known limits or “unity levels“. In real science overunity is achieving a result greater than the theoretical limits of harvesting and converting energy.

Does OU really break through some known limits?. Here's the analogy, I place a COP>1 device I designed and built on a table and fire it up. Then you and people like you take some wild ass leap of faith that this is somehow a violation of the conservation of energy and a perpetual motion machine. Should people believe your opinion based on sheer speculation and a complete lack of any real facts concerning this technology or should they presume something may be happening they do not understand?. You see, this is the problem with people who presume they must be correct about everything. It's not so much a technical issue but more so a personality disorder relating to psychology. The correct answer, the sane answer is I do now know what is happening... uhm because you don't.

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So why are these topics not covered at the BEM?
The answer may be from simple ignorance to mainstream science not fitting into the agendas of the people running these organisations.

Ignorance to mainstream science?. It could also be an exceptional grasp of mainstream science that most people cannot seem to understand. I mean we have irrefutable proof from our history that great minds not unlike Volta, Faraday, Steinmetz, Tesla, Einstein etc... routinely did what 99% of others thought impossible -- so how is this any different?. Maybe the reason you cannot understand it is because you are not a great mind, maybe, just maybe you are quite ordinary... has that thought ever occurred to you?.

In any case there is always some fool saying something cannot be done while others are in the process of doing it... it is the way of the world.

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Re: What is breakthrough energy
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2016, 12:02:49 AM »
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I believe Ford was found guilty of letting hundreds of people die rather than replace a $0.25 seatbelt part and one can pick up any newspaper and read of similar instances of corporate corruption. Most experts agree corporate corruption is rampant such as the latest VW emissions scandal. The list of instances supported by fact just seems to go on and on yet here you are telling us a revolutionary new energy technology would never be suppressed... are you drunk Mark?. Oh, yes the corporations would let hundreds of people die over a $0.25 part but they would never suppress free energy, they would never do that. What you are suggesting is absurd Mark.

Does OU really break through some known limits?. Here's the analogy, I place a COP>1 device I designed and built on a table and fire it up. Then you and people like you take some wild ass leap of faith that this is somehow a violation of the conservation of energy and a perpetual motion machine. Should people believe your opinion based on sheer speculation and a complete lack of any real facts concerning this technology or should they presume something may be happening they do not understand?. You see, this is the problem with people who presume they must be correct about everything. It's not so much a technical issue but more so a personality disorder relating to psychology. The correct answer, the sane answer is I do now know what is happening... uhm because you don't.

Ignorance to mainstream science?. It could also be an exceptional grasp of mainstream science that most people cannot seem to understand. I mean we have irrefutable proof from our history that great minds not unlike Volta, Faraday, Steinmetz, Tesla, Einstein etc... routinely did what 99% of others thought impossible -- so how is this any different?. Maybe the reason you cannot understand it is because you are not a great mind, maybe, just maybe you are quite ordinary... has that thought ever occurred to you?.

In any case there is always some fool saying something cannot be done while others are in the process of doing it... it is the way of the world.

AC


As usual you reply with irrelevance and mix up topics like safety/emission regulations with energy suppression. We do agree on one thing, there is always a role for a fool.


Please point to me any evidence to support your rhetoric, which I doubt will happen given your track record


You opinion is important like everyone elses and support your right to express it.


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Mark

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Re: What is breakthrough energy
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2016, 08:13:12 AM »
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It's what you implied that I found disturbing Mark.


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We often hear about splitting hydrogen in energy efficient ways, but the truth is no one has ever been able to achieve this. If so where is the evidence, the third party validation the peer review?


How do you know no one has ever achieved this?, the fact is you don't know because you can't know everything and have no credible evidence either way thus it is not a truth in any sense of the word.




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Why did they not suppress Tesla who just received deposits for over 350,000 electric cars? Surely that could be considered more disruptive to big oil than some back yard inventor with an E-CatThe trouble is the speakers at these conferences speaking of suppression are just simply conspiracy theorists on steroids looking for an new platform.


Here you imply the BEM speakers are conspiracy theorists and big oil would never suppress back yard inventors which we know is false from multiple sources. If big oil didn't suppress Tesla Motors then they would never suppress a backyard inventor is what you implied was it not?. Presuming a perceived relationship between things (Tesla and a backyard inventor) to substantiate the false notion that no backyard inventor has ever been suppressed by big oil.





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To the main speakers I ask “show me just one example of any breakthrough energy technology that can be confirmed and reliably reproduce under the Global BEM definition ” an abundant energy source, which produce zero-emissions, operate with a COP > 1″ ?

Most of these people have good intentions, but Bullshit is Bullshit.


Here you imply the speakers are full of bullshit and because you have never seen a COP>1 device they cannot exist... as you say they are bullshit. I have to wonder, does everything you have never seen in person not exist or do you simply believe it exists?.




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Be warned this is above many of our pay scales to fully understand, but I want to use it to illustrate how the quest for overunity is actually becoming  a reality in mainstream science.


Your implying this is not for us common folk and no non-scientist has any proof of OU as you have claimed many times. However now mainstream science is somehow making it a reality. So all those backyard inventors making similar claims in the past, those thousands of related patents in the past were just pseudo science and now mainstream science is doing it in reality. Uhm, no there not doing it in reality their making claims just like all those other people making claims in the past... but this time apparently it's different but not really.




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So why are these topics not covered at the BEM?The answer may be from simple ignorance to mainstream science not fitting into the agendas of the people running these organisations.
Does every agenda you do not agree with or that does not fit with mainstream science mean the people are ignorant?. I think that's a lot of ignorant people, easily over six billion I reckon. Non-conformity does not imply ignorance, that is absurd.


The whole article is littered with such innuendo and bias in my opinion. However you never say it outright but skirt around the issue always implying something from a distance and casting doubt on it as a form of pseudo verification. I understand this may be seen as just nit-picking however it pissed me off enough that I commented on it. I see this form of journalism all too often in the mainstream media where a strongly biased opinion is peddled as a neutral perspective.




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Re: What is breakthrough energy
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2016, 08:33:39 AM »
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It's what you implied that I found disturbing Mark.



How do you know no one has ever achieved this?, the fact is you don't know because you can't know everything and have no credible evidence either way thus it is not a truth in any sense of the word.


That is easy to prove me wrong. (I am happy to be proved wrong) Show me the data. I have investigated many claims over many years and none ever was able to support the claim.





Here you imply the BEM speakers are conspiracy theorists and big oil would never suppress back yard inventors which we know is false from multiple sources. If big oil didn't suppress Tesla Motors then they would never suppress a backyard inventor is what you implied was it not?. Presuming a perceived relationship between things (Tesla and a backyard inventor) to substantiate the false notion that no backyard inventor has ever been suppressed by big oil.


I only suggested a few or one GBEM speakers. As mentioned it might have been true a decade or generation ago but at the moment the opposite is happening. Investors and governments are backing energy mavericks like Elon Musk. Also departments like DOE are backing yourng scientists working on a variety of disruptive technologies.


Here you imply the speakers are full of bullshit and because you have never seen a COP>1 device they cannot exist... as you say they are bullshit.


No the only Bullshit is when they have claimed overunity and can not back up the claim. Normally they are victums of their own measurements. I fully encourage and support research into these areas and am a researcher myself



Your implying this is not for us common folk and no non-scientist has any proof of OU as you have claimed many times. However now mainstream science is somehow making it a reality. So all those backyard inventors making similar claims in the past, those thousands of related patents in the past were just pseudo science and now mainstream science is doing it in reality. Uhm, no there not doing it in reality their making claims just like all those other people making claims in the past... but this time apparently it's different but not really.


Once again you failed to realize what I said. Main stream science is on a parallel path many backyard inventors. A patent does not prove something works as claimed, many people are often mistaken by this. As many people and websites failed to do for decadsee just show evidence, data or anything that would support one of these claims. Resorting to nonsensical rhetoric serves no purpose in forwarding knowledge, research and experience



Does every agenda you do not agree with or that does not fit with mainstream science mean the people are ignorant?. I think that's a lot of ignorant people, easily over six billion I reckon. Non-conformity does not imply ignorance, that is absurd.


No I have seen things that can not been explained by science, but the data supported the claim. You tend to generlize a lot and make assumptions. Why not focus on the detail and show me the data.


The whole article is littered with such innuendo and bias in my opinion. However you never say it outright but skirt around the issue always implying something from a distance and casting doubt on it as a form of pseudo verification. I understand this may be seen as just nit-picking however it pissed me off enough that I commented on it. I see this form of journalism all too often in the mainstream media where a strongly biased opinion is peddled as a neutral perspective.


As I said you have the right to your opinion, and I have the right to disagree with you. I base my opinion on outcomes and experience not wistful thinking.
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AC



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Offline allcanadian

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Re: What is breakthrough energy
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2016, 07:52:10 PM »
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As I said you have the right to your opinion, and I have the right to disagree with you. I base my opinion on outcomes and experience not wistful thinking.

I agree however I would also say...look at the outcome. Look at where 100 years of mainstream science, an industrial technological revolution and realistic thinking has gotten us. Our planet is slowly being turned into a giant cesspool on the verge of environmental and economic collapse so I have to ask... are you happy Mark?. Are you happy with your life and the way things have turned out?, is this what you expected so many years ago as a boy with dreams of a wondrous future?.

No offense but this train wreck you call mainstream science and realistic thinking is not what I expected so many years ago when reading those awesome articles of our possible future in popular science. The outcome of our past actions is our reality today and a sane man would conclude "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them." - Albert Einstein.

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Re: What is breakthrough energy
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2016, 08:09:20 AM »
Mainstream science is nothing more than a false religion designed to deceive the entire world!


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Re: What is breakthrough energy
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2016, 11:27:06 PM »
I just remembered why I left this forum a year ago, thinking it was a shill invested craphole.

Obviously they're like flees you can't get rid of. Or can you?

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Re: What is breakthrough energy
« Reply #8 on: May 21, 2016, 12:23:46 AM »
@Mark
I agree however I would also say...look at the outcome. Look at where 100 years of mainstream science, an industrial technological revolution and realistic thinking has gotten us. Our planet is slowly being turned into a giant cesspool on the verge of environmental and economic collapse so I have to ask... are you happy Mark?. Are you happy with your life and the way things have turned out?, is this what you expected so many years ago as a boy with dreams of a wondrous future?.

No offense but this train wreck you call mainstream science and realistic thinking is not what I expected so many years ago when reading those awesome articles of our possible future in popular science. The outcome of our past actions is our reality today and a sane man would conclude "We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them." - Albert Einstein.

AC

Man, what type of drugs must you be taking if you really believe all of the crap you just wrote?

Technology has not gotten us anywhere?  Of course not...just to the moon AND, it somehow has managed to develop computers and interconnected servers allowing you to post such nonsense here.

Maybe the environment is a cesspool wherever you live but here in the States it is doing just fine.  You guys should probably clean up your area a bit maybe?

Sheesh!

Bill

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Re: What is breakthrough energy
« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2016, 05:37:14 AM »
I just remembered why I left this forum a year ago, thinking it was a shill invested craphole.

Obviously they're like flees you can't get rid of. Or can you?


Your return supports your theory
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Re: What is breakthrough energy
« Reply #10 on: May 21, 2016, 07:05:49 PM »
Man, what type of drugs must you be taking if you really believe all of the crap you just wrote?

Technology has not gotten us anywhere?  Of course not...just to the moon AND, it somehow has managed to develop computers and interconnected servers allowing you to post such nonsense here.

Maybe the environment is a cesspool wherever you live but here in the States it is doing just fine.  You guys should probably clean up your area a bit maybe?

Sheesh!

Bill

We are worse of then before !
Sitting is the new smoking !!! i swearrrr
Obese has become #1
And this has all become too impersonal.
Do you have any idea the imact of the power needed to drive this nonsense ?
The machines will need more and more !! until it will finally destroy everything !!

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Re: What is breakthrough energy
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2016, 01:48:16 AM »
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Maybe the environment is a cesspool wherever you live but here in the States it is doing just fine.  You guys should probably clean up your area a bit maybe?

I wish that sentiment were indeed true.  The destruction of the
environment and humanity within the United States is being done
a bit more stealthily than in those targeted nations where the
U.S. has embarked upon Regime Change or War, but it is going
on right on schedule in accordance with the AGENDA.


The "Average American" [Boobus Americanus] is oblivious to the
destruction as a consequence of the highly effective "brainwashing"
achieved by the Mainstream Media and Entertainment outlets.  A
fearful, dumbed down populace is easily manipulated and controlled.

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Re: What is breakthrough energy
« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2016, 05:27:49 AM »
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Technology has not gotten us anywhere?  Of course not...just to the moon AND, it somehow has managed to develop computers and interconnected servers allowing you to post such nonsense here.


Science and Technology have done many amazing things in our life time.


Our children no longer play outside with friends but prefer to watch television and play video games... the playgrounds are generally empty. On average most adults spend less than two hours per day outside and even less time with their children.


The question to ask is are we happier with all this technology?, we rarely talk in person but prefer email, texting or facebook. Both parents generally work longer hours but seldom really get ahead and spend almost no time with their children. Are we really happier?, disease is on the rise and cancer is reaching near epidemic levels, stress and anxiety is rampant. Many people can barely afford to pay their utility bills while power and water shortages are on the increase. 95% of all fresh water is polluted and all groundwater globally is virtually disappearing. Pollution kills more people than all diseases combined and science tells us within 10-15 years all antibiotics will be ineffective.



The newest trend which started a few years ago is product and food shortages in North America. Things appear to be out of stock or prices on some thing super inflated and this trend is on the increase.


If science and technology is so wonderful then why has it created so many problems and so few real sustainable working solutions?. That is the question, are we really better off treating science as a kind of religion considering very few things that really matter are actually getting better?. Are we really happier, are we healthier, are things actually getting better globally?... the overwhelming consensus says no.


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Re: What is breakthrough energy
« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2016, 06:17:03 AM »
AMEN

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Re: What is breakthrough energy
« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2016, 03:21:48 PM »
Science is a methodology, a practice.
"If science and technology is so wonderful then why has it created so many problems and so few real sustainable working solutions?" Really? Without Science what do you have? Superstition, ignorance, quackery.
All Science does is provide an understanding of how nature works; the application of that knowledge can be as we, humans, decide to use it. Science does not 'do' anything. It allows US to do something.
"has it created so many problems and so few real sustainable working solutions?" very debatable.
The application of science has allowed eradication of many diseases, increased food production and quality.

 

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