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### Author Topic: Motor consumes no charge ?  (Read 22123 times)

#### TinselKoala

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##### Re: Motor consumes no charge ?
« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2016, 12:29:06 AM »
Funny how the mind works,  several times I looked over the pdf posted and at the " buzzer"
experiment I always saw 4700 uf capacitors being used, but only c1 and c2 are, c3 is
470...   O.K.  not as hopeful as I was before,  damn.

p.s. I did the experiment with all three caps 400v 2500 uf  and did not get the "overvoltage"
on c3 as is claimed in the pdf

Try turning the diode around. This may work, it may not. But in any case the C3 capacitor should be only 1/10 the capacitance value of the other two capacitors.

#### Floor

• Guest
##### Re: Motor consumes no charge ?
« Reply #16 on: May 17, 2016, 03:51:44 AM »
Quote from TK

"The energy, in Joules, on a capacitor goes linearly with capacitance but goes as the square of the voltage: E=(CV2)/2
So if you double the voltage the energy goes up by 22 or 4 times, but if you double the capacitance the energy goes up by 2. "

There is a parallel in kinetics which is  Ek = 1/2mv^2.... Kinetic energy = 1/2 Mass x velocity^2
.....................
The kinetic energy of a 50 kg mass traveling at 20 meters per second is
Ek = 1/2 •  50kg • (20m/s)^2 ..... 1/2 • (50kg • 400m/s) ..... 1/2 • 20000 = 10000 joules.
.....................
Twice the mass = 2 times the kinetic energy.

The kinetic energy of a 100kg mass traveling at 20 meters per second is
Ek = 1/2 •  100kg • (20m/s)^2 ..... 1/2 • (100kg • 400m/s) ..... 1/2 •  = 40000 joules.
.....................
.....................

Twice the speed = 4 times the kinetic energy.  (the velocity increase squared or 2 squared)

The kinetic energy of an 50 kg mass traveling at 40 meters per second (twice the velocity) is
Ek = 1/2 •  50kg • (40m/s)2 ..... 1/2 • (50kg • 1600m/s) ..... 1/2 • 80000 = 4000 joules

4000 joules is 4 times 1000 joules.
.....................

#### Floor

• Guest
##### Re: Motor consumes no charge ?
« Reply #17 on: May 17, 2016, 04:00:19 AM »
Sorry that's

Ek = 1/2 •  100kg • (20m/s)2 ..... 1/2 • (100kg • 400m/s) ..... 1/2 • 40000= 20000 joules.

#### Gothic

• Guest
##### Re: Motor consumes no charge ?
« Reply #18 on: May 17, 2016, 06:41:52 PM »
Hi T.K. thanks for the tip, but there,s no point in doing
the test again. I had originally thought all three caps
were of the same value, so when an overvoltage was shown
in cap 3 that got my nickers in a twist, being that
capacitance is a surface area value, a higher voltage
with the same uf seemed like a done deal. but... not...

Oh well back to reading Stienmetz lectures... here,s an
interesting table from within the pdf.

"Elementary Lectures on Electric Discharges, Waves and
impulses, and other transients"

by Charles Proteus Steinmetz.

Very dry but I hope to gain some insight

@floor are you calculating the contact mass of the solenoid
i,m confused and impressed... i,m FLOORed

p.s. here,s an interesting page http://www.ovaltech.ca/energy/energy2.html

#### Floor

• Guest
##### Re: Motor consumes no charge ?
« Reply #19 on: May 18, 2016, 12:45:41 AM »
@Gothic

Quote from Gothic
quote "floor are you calculating the contact mass of the solenoid,  i,m confused and impressed... i,m FLOORed" end quote.

I'm confused as well what solenoid ?  No need to answer that.

My semi botched post was just a note to fellow explorers, that are closer to my level of knowledge.
(not intended to offend the more experienced among us, who are undoubtedly, already aware of such parallels)

Thanks for the link
ground level -  not better than -  bottom line - sometimes squeaking - yeah sometime decking
best wishes
floor

#### Gothic

• Guest
##### Re: Motor consumes no charge ?
« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2016, 01:34:15 PM »
Finished reading the Steinmetz lectures v1, admittedly skimming through most
of the math... from what I gather is pretty much what tesla has already
wrote about and that is the switching on a circuit when high tension is
present or switching off a circuit at highest peak... essentially the
speed of make or break is what causes higher than source voltage in a
transformer or field windings, the lectures were concerned about this
because of the potential breakdown of wire insulators...

Refer to pictures,  The line discharger is a possible remedy to extract
this induced voltage but stop any current "Voltage is cheap"

#### Floor

• Guest
##### Re: Motor consumes no charge ?
« Reply #21 on: May 20, 2016, 05:29:38 AM »
@ Gothic

Steinmetz aey ?  Where did you find the pdf ?

When I was 10 or 12 years old, I used to walk around the neighborhood
with a solenoid strapped to my back, 2 D  cells in a card board tube in series
and one wire down each of my sleeves.  The solenoid was scrapped from
a washing machine (door lock)  Some times I 'd get as many as 6
or 8 kids to hold hands in a circle and shock us all.  I asked my uncle who
was a t.v. repairman why it worked with just 1 coil, and he said it was a fly back
coil. wow !

Any ways, one of the things I noticed was, that sometimes the device sparked
a lot stronger than at other times. A second observation was, that you got the shock
when contact was broken. A quick clean break gave the best shock.

A more rapidly collapsing magnetic field = a higher voltage spike ?  But I'm still some
what puzzled as to how the speed of contact break can vary so much as it does when
manally strokeing two wires together.

Any ways again, what kinds of exploration / areas are you interested in primarrily ?

Floor

#### Gothic

• Guest
##### Re: Motor consumes no charge ?
« Reply #22 on: May 20, 2016, 09:16:11 AM »
Hello again floor,  i,m replying as a courtesy, (i,ve been up for almost two days , caffeine helps )

so if this post seems rude it,s unintentional.
.
well to start off i find things like this fascinating  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOsmEjx6MnA (there is a wire)

The goal is portability, scalability...  or being able to "bug out" on a whim and not be forced into a survival situation
but live within the bounds of nature that only understanding of it can provide as this quote from tom beardon
"nature will allow you to do anything you are clever enough to figure out, nature has been most kind"  That,s not
an exact quote but close...

in other words a home based power system to run things like, a refrigerator, an electric water pump, hydroponic greenhouse,
anything that can be done with labor saving devices. in a E.L.E saving calories is critical.

Or perhaps I just want a breath of fresh air, away from it all.  Here is an example from personal experience, Long story short
I used to be an an avid listener to "Alternative news" years when the patriot movement was legitimate, It has morphed into
a pile of false prophets swimming in cesspools... (enough of that crap)  since then I quit listening to radio, radio news, television
news etc... and I feel better for it... and if there was a legitimate way to create electricity, I would not be online...

I would like to do this before I,m to damn old to care...

plus i would show neighbors how it is done if they were interested...

I,ve got to go, the lamp oil is just about gone...

#### Dog-One

• Hero Member
• Posts: 1012
##### Re: Motor consumes no charge ?
« Reply #23 on: May 20, 2016, 10:01:49 AM »
... and if there was a legitimate way to create electricity, I would not be online...

I would like to do this before I,m to damn old to care...

plus i would show neighbors how it is done if they were interested...

I,ve got to go, the lamp oil is just about gone...

I 100% agree Gothic.  Lets see if we can find a way to go offline together.

This little electro-mechanical device has my interest at the moment.  Supposedly
it shuttles charge back-n-forth through the step-down transformer without depleting
the initial charge connected to the rotating shaft with capacitor plates.

I'll try to do some testing with a prototype and let you know what I discover.

#### Gothic

• Guest
##### Re: Motor consumes no charge ?
« Reply #24 on: May 20, 2016, 08:14:17 PM »
I just happen to have some adjustable caps that will work,
I.ll try it out myself, will be gone for a few days so i,ll be
back in a few days,  awesome concept...

p.s. still groggy can,t write very well......

#### Gothic

• Guest
##### Re: Motor consumes no charge ?
« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2016, 12:21:17 AM »
Note to self:  don,t post while half asleep

Hey Dog-One that pic you posted inspired me to pick up an old design from a few
years ago, I,ll post it here, it,s not finished yet, it kind of works with lenz law...

(man i,m still freaking tired)

#### Dog-One

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##### Re: Motor consumes no charge ?
« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2016, 09:07:44 AM »
Note to self:  don,t post while half asleep

Do get some rest and recharge.  Attached is another image to dream about.

Hey Dog-One that pic you posted inspired me to pick up an old design from a few
years ago, I,ll post it here, it,s not finished yet, it kind of works with lenz law...

(man i,m still freaking tired)

Don't take this image literally because I think it has some errors, especially the caption
at the bottom.  Me thinks there is a massless type of current that behaves quite differently
from the typical electron current that has with it the dreaded back EMF issues.  The
capacitor looking gizmo in the middle may actually be what Tom Bearden referred to
as a Charge Blocking Device, meaning it stops electron flow, but actual massless charge
can get through it.  If this happens to not be all bullshit, then we might just have a
means to power a load without pushing back on the power source.  From there, closed
loop operation should be a piece of cake.

Doing lots of experiments at the moment trying to wrap my head around this.  My first
tests where interesting.  I was getting up to 100+ amp impulses from just a simple
neon sign transformer.  Where it got weird is I completely disconnected and shunted
the scope probes and still got 30 amps from the spikes.  This was with an isolated power
source and terminators on the scope inputs.  So I asked myself how in the hell that
was possible.  The only thing I can think of is the 6000 volts I was using moves charge
everywhere.  It doesn't care about shielding.  It reacts with the components on the
circuit board of my scope from four feet away no problem.  Massless displacement
current?   Yes, I think there may be something to this mystery.

M@

#### truesearch

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• Posts: 323
##### Re: Motor consumes no charge ?
« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2016, 11:03:12 PM »
@Dog-One:

That doesn't look too difficult to replicate ~ except for the MetGlas/Cobalt transformer. . . .

truesearch

#### Terbo

• Newbie
• Posts: 25
##### Re: Motor consumes no charge ?
« Reply #28 on: May 24, 2016, 02:32:49 AM »
I was getting up to 100+ amp impulses from just a simple
neon sign transformer.

@Dog-One -- Just curious.. How and where were you measuring the high-current spikes?

#### SkyWatcher123

• Hero Member
• Posts: 841
##### Re: Motor consumes no charge ?
« Reply #29 on: May 24, 2016, 08:45:11 AM »