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Solid States Devices => Captret effect => Topic started by: jimbo on May 06, 2016, 06:10:35 PM
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As far as free energy is concerned I've found it. And it was so in my face the hole time. Here I go again! When you look at the formula for a set of caps in series each one is a reciprocal of the total every were you look on the net you get that answer and it's true as far as they go .what they didn't tell you was that the capacity is spread out being that the plates are spread out .the total is equal to the original single cap so they say that there's no real advantage that is if they are all the same uf. To start with .what's not said is by spreading out the charge you increase the inductance side of the charge and reduce the conductive side .with 5 caps is a series the first plate is charged by conductance the rest by inductance aka free. The string is under strain by the first positive plate and has to regauge. It's potential to match the first plates level and there by balance every thing out . the energy to do this is pulled from the earth .you can put a amp meter in line with the ground and see it working. Then when the string settles down the caps can be fired off and evey thing started again and again and again. I've done this .with a inverter a bridge rectifier and two big caps 60 uf I could repeatedly flash off a 4 or7 watt light blub on both caps and watch the amp meter as every thing refilled over and over the thing with the string the more caps the less energy you need to do this. Each new cap splits off some of the total charge and the charging plate needs less charge to fill it. I've used around 119 volts DC Thu my inverter and let the negative lead hang unconnected in mid air !. With more caps the charge gets smaller on each one but each one has the same charge on it the voltage is reduced witch can be a good thing because that gets you to the point that you can use solid state but the total charge is still there but a lot less is needed to create it. The only ground is Thu the last cap. If you just use two caps you get 50/50 on the system you pay for one you get one free ! But if you use more caps the energy is divided up but the conductance and inductance remains and the ratio changes between them. Ben Franklin demonstrated this and referred to it as a economical way to charge Leyden jars. Could you tell me how my light bulbs are firing off with out my negative connected ? O by the way with an small isolation transformer and a bridge rectifier you can do this on both the positive and negative lead using the same ground ! The transformer will be a door bell transformer used in reverse so I can get 400 volts to get close to by caps rating of 450. And a choke cap before it to reduce the power down to be safe . well there's most of it .PS don't be confused by the different voltages on the caps in the string the charge is all the same on each but the capacitance has changed due to the string series. Jim out. Please replicate .
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Can you provide a schematic please? it must be helpfull for the one who English is not their motherthong... ;)
Thank you! :)
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What would happen if you tried this with supercaps of say...100F? Even 10 farad might be interesting to see.
Bill
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@jimbo:
I'd like to see a schematic of this too!
Thanks for sharing.
trueseach
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I can if I can figure out how to post it I'm new to posting a little patience with me . Jim but till then just a battery 12 volts and an inverter to 110 a bridge rectifier. To get the positive 110 DC and several large motor capacitors the 3 to 450 range same uf's around 60 to 100 uf and a very good earth ground .the positive to the first cap the connection. The second cap to the first in series then the last cap wire to the amp meter then the other end of the amp meter lead to the earth ground. A leave the negative unconnected out of the way . all so don't use caps with internal bleeding resistors they will not work. Now turn on and watch the amp meter give it a minute then short out the caps with a screw driver or a ,4 watt 120 volt light blub and repeat and watch the amp meter as the caps reload over and over I'm going to get several more truck battery's and set up a switching system to auto charge the batterys.may be this might help.
Battery ----Inverter--positive ---Cap----Cap-----amp meter---earth ground
More caps can be used but this shows it working the amp meters not lying the energy is coming from the earth DC doesn't go thru caps! Hoble something together a take a look I will help as much as I can. Try using the Google translater my help Jim out
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Sorry I didn't but the diode in the string . I will redo
Battery---inverter---diode-positive--first cap--second cap--ampmeter--earth ground .
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Hi Jim!
do you use a single diode on the hot side of the ac or a bridge rectifier?
Thanks
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Hi I used a bridge diode only because I had I handy a single diode should work just fine please watch out on the caps if you don't respect the voltage rating bang!!.some one was thinking about super caps very low voltage threshold till bang.
At least cover them up with something I'm doing fine with 119 volts and 450 caps at 60uf 🍺
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Hi Jim, split your diode bridge in half, now you can use double the capacitors.
artv
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Supercaps can hold more energy so, I thought this might increase the effect you are trying to show here.
Yes, most of them are low (2.7 volts) voltage and will pop if over charged so everyone needs to be careful.
Bill
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Even a hand drawn schematic or drawing can help us to understand it.
Feel free to use this procedure to post it:
1. Make a drawing & save it on your PC.
2. Log in here on this thread & click on Reply.
3. Click on CHOOSE FILE.
4. Click on the Links to your drawing on your PC.
5. Click on POST & it will get UPLOADED right here on this thread.
Thank you.
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its not free energy,the circut is complete,the loop closes through the air- from earth "plate"to negative inverter wire, its virtual HV capacitor/electric field/displacment current.
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As far as free energy is concerned I've found it. And it was so in my face the hole time. Here I go again! When you look at the formula for a set of caps in series each one is a reciprocal of the total every were you look on the net you get that answer and it's true as far as they go .what they didn't tell you was that the capacity is spread out being that the plates are spread out .the total is equal to the original single cap so they say that there's no real advantage that is if they are all the same uf. To start with .what's not said is by spreading out the charge you increase the inductance side of the charge and reduce the conductive side .with 5 caps is a series the first plate is charged by conductance the rest by inductance aka free. The string is under strain by the first positive plate and has to regauge. It's potential to match the first plates level and there by balance every thing out . the energy to do this is pulled from the earth .you can put a amp meter in line with the ground and see it working. Then when the string settles down the caps can be fired off and evey thing started again and again and again. I've done this .with a inverter a bridge rectifier and two big caps 60 uf I could repeatedly flash off a 4 or7 watt light blub on both caps and watch the amp meter as every thing refilled over and over the thing with the string the more caps the less energy you need to do this. Each new cap splits off some of the total charge and the charging plate needs less charge to fill it. I've used around 119 volts DC Thu my inverter and let the negative lead hang unconnected in mid air !. With more caps the charge gets smaller on each one but each one has the same charge on it the voltage is reduced witch can be a good thing because that gets you to the point that you can use solid state but the total charge is still there but a lot less is needed to create it. The only ground is Thu the last cap. If you just use two caps you get 50/50 on the system you pay for one you get one free ! But if you use more caps the energy is divided up but the conductance and inductance remains and the ratio changes between them. Ben Franklin demonstrated this and referred to it as a economical way to charge Leyden jars. Could you tell me how my light bulbs are firing off with out my negative connected ? O by the way with an small isolation transformer and a bridge rectifier you can do this on both the positive and negative lead using the same ground ! The transformer will be a door bell transformer used in reverse so I can get 400 volts to get close to by caps rating of 450. And a choke cap before it to reduce the power down to be safe . well there's most of it .PS don't be confused by the different voltages on the caps in the string the charge is all the same on each but the capacitance has changed due to the string series. Jim out. Please replicate .
" When you look at the formula for a set of caps in series each one is a reciprocal of the total every were you look on the net you get that answer and it's true as far as they go .what they didn't tell you was that the capacity is spread out being that the plates are spread out .the total is equal to the original single cap"
I have posted the idea of that exact theory just a few weeks ago. This will be interesting. ;)
Mags
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I can if I can figure out how to post it...
Hi. Here are some images on how to post. I'm a visual person so I work best when there are images to see. The more you can post, the better. Thanks.
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Hi. Here are some images on how to post. I'm a visual person so I work best when there are images to see. The more you can post, the better. Thanks.
Very nice tutorial on how to post images. I am sure that will be helpful to a lot of the new folks here.
Bill
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Hi Guys,
Just a question Jimbo - Can you put the amp-meter between the battery and the invertor - Just to get an idea how much energy you consume at the start and calculate how much energy you get back from your caps - how long you wait to charge the caps to be able to perform single blink?
I am a bit pessimistic about this, as I did similar things an year or two ago , charging three caps with single voltage terminal, also blinking the 5W bulb, but the consumption for my input was higher than output. Just we need some Input/output data . Blinking light is not much saying. I also remember I burned my Arduino programmed to connect/disconnect the caps from load and SG. :)
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Hi Jim:
Thanks for sharing the info.
A capacitor based free energy device will require
a. source of high voltage (no amperage is fine)
b. High voltage coils to surround permanent magnets and then
c. go to Capacitor bank where capacitors are arrranged in increasing voltage and capacitance in series and go to
d. Earth.
Jim in your arrangement b is absent. Look at the Testatika device and you will see it.
Usually commercial capacitors have lower capacitance ratings as the Voltages go higher. A device as conceived by you would require both the voltage and capacitance to progressively increase for the output to have higher voltage and amperage.
If the components a to d are not present failure and disappiontment would be result. This is not new.
Check http://www.google.com/patents/US685957 for the same principle that you are talking about. Old Patents would avoid one technical feature usually. This patent does not show the permanent magnets needed. Testatika device shows the Permanent magnets.
Add the permanent magnets before the capacitors and then test the output.
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Thank you for your input
Don't know about magnets or coils I had to give this some thought. And it works as is but improvement is all ways helpful if it pans out . about the amps. The collection of electrons or protons need amps not for attraction but for how to put this ? It's a one for one type of arrangement. We're pulling them and with a low amount available the speed sufers for transference. How do I know? Because I used a relay charger that puts out 250 to 300 volts to try this charging and it was slow. So with less voltage but more amps available things got better. Trial and error. But at 3500volts and 130 kz like Don's work things might get alot better I'm lookin at getting to 400 volts .my grounds crap only 2 ft in the ground yet it's working lots of room for improvement
Jim out . PS less sitting on our hands and more hands on. Tesla laugh at Einstein for being a theriest .🍺
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Jim:
No theories here. I know from practical demonstrated experience of lighting 10x 200 watts lamps at 28 volts from induced magnets. Without capacitors ( RUN capacitors of 200 microfarad) the voltage obtained for 1x200 watts lamp is only 82 volt and when we add two RUN capacitors the votlage jumps to 172 volts. I have even posted photos of it without caps in Figuera forum.
If you think you have no amperage that simply means that the capacitance of your capacitors is low through the capacitors are high voltage. It is normally the case with cheap capacitors. You increase the farad rating of capacitors and use magnets and then tell me.
I have built Electromagnets that weigh in total 300 kgms. Coils I used alone are in excess of 120 kgms. 1800 meters of 2.5 sq mm wire, 2000 meters of 4 sq mm wire and about 450 meters of 1 sq mm wire all in one coil.
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a. source of high voltage (no amperage is fine)
b. High voltage coils to surround permanent magnets and then
c. go to Capacitor bank where capacitors are arrranged in increasing voltage and capacitance in series and go to
d. Earth.
Hi NR..,
Have you tried this HV device below. It charge capacitor very quickly. You can nearly constantly spark. In 5V @ 0.4A -> 160V on caps. In 12V @ 1A -> 450V on caps. I think if the device was tuned properly we might see interesting results. I use expensive WIMA caps . I have tried to isolate output with the DC-DC but it didn't work. As I said- maybe it just needs proper tuning ;)
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Hi NR..,
Have you tried this HV device below. It charge capacitor very quickly. You can nearly constantly spark. In 5V @ 0.4A -> 160V on caps. In 12V @ 1A -> 450V on caps. I think if the device was tuned properly we might see interesting results. I use expensive WIMA caps . I have tried to isolate output with the DC-DC but it didn't work. As I said- maybe it just needs proper tuning ;)
A lot of time without posting here. So I post again.
Thanks for the schematics. I have not seen anything new, but it's interesting to perform tests with. I see you're using the capcoil effect (a capacitor with 1 plate and the other plate is a coil, not a plate). Also in the schematic (right bottom) there is the 90 degree induction plates as Don Smith explained. Smith explained that magnetic waves don't get diminished as they pass throught capacitor plates, so you can create as many copies as you like.
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To start with .what's not said is by spreading out the charge you increase the inductance side of the charge and reduce the conductive side .with 5 caps is a series the first plate is charged by conductance the rest by inductance aka free. The string is under strain by the first positive plate and has to regauge. It's potential to match the first plates level and there by balance every thing out . the energy to do this is pulled from the earth .
I don't like to post theories without testing before. But I have performed some tests of the things I am going to explain.
You say that "the rest (of the plates) are charged by inductance". Do you know the Mislasvskij's effect and the CapCoil effect and Don Smith effect? They are very similar.
The Mislavskij effect is to use the magnetic field created by the capacitor plates and place a flat soft metal between the plates and you can induce a current in the transformer's core using magnetic field from the capacitor plates.
The capcoil effect (explained by V. Utkin) is to use 1 capacitor plate and the other plate is a coil. So you can charge a coil using capacitor's magnetic field of influence the plate using the coil.
The Smith effect is known in this forum. You use displacement current to excite one capacitor plate (you place a dielectric in between) and in the second capacitor plate you get energy.
There are at least 2 more effects that I have documented based on a similar behaviour.
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Hi NR..,
Have you tried this HV device below. It charge capacitor very quickly. You can nearly constantly spark. In 5V @ 0.4A -> 160V on caps. In 12V @ 1A -> 450V on caps. I think if the device was tuned properly we might see interesting results. I use expensive WIMA caps . I have tried to isolate output with the DC-DC but it didn't work. As I said- maybe it just needs proper tuning ;)
Thanks for the drawing John..I have only one Electrical Engineering student working for me part time. I will ask him to study the circuit and see what is the cost of doing it. I have done a very large device now and we have asked my former driver to take one day off and come and work on the project. I think the device would work but theories and expectations are different and experimental results are different. From all I have learnt from my failure I have spent a lot of time, man power and costs to build this single very large device. 5 feet long solenoid of 5 inches dia core and with almost 120+ kgms of coils alone. I need to use AC, pulsed Dc and Interrupted DC all here to check how the thing works.
It is only after this and another low cost experiment I can handle this HV device. Thanks for sharing again but my ability to experiment is now very limited due to finances and high work. I will deinitely try this after completing the current project and an invention that I had been working on. Not free energy but a different essential product. My apologies for the delay.
Regards,
Ramaswami
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The capcoil effect (explained by V. Utkin) is to use 1 capacitor plate and the other plate is a coil. So you can charge a coil using capacitor's magnetic field of influence the plate using the coil.
Have you tried to test or study an asymmetrical capacitor as described in the Utkin's papers??
Regards,
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Hi nr
No I haven't studied asymmetrical capacitors yet sorry may later when I have some more time my area of studies lately it's been all electrostatic induction seeing what I could find on the net the original discovery's and modern thinking that there was something about the way one charge could make another Thu proximity and a quick contact with ground that I couldn't get away from. But the with the staic generators Thu induction the source to over come the charge accumulator area was the problem when tested the efficiency was the same as a standard wire and magnet set up .but with caps and switch's along with strong electrical potential and. A earth ground there's no repulsive fource to push you away ..all influence by plate proximity .the father's of this art had to be working in known science something in common when you look at all of their work's and reduce them down to their common elements then you have a pattern to work with .sure some personal structuring will be in the mix like how to switch it how to mold it into useable power .but at the end it's hi voltage positive pulseing with caps and earth ground and these are adjustable. The coils the resonance are up grades .i m looking for the core elements after that the possibilities are wide open. Look at bedini's work hi voltage Thu pulse coil rectified and charging cap that charges a battery. Looking at the battery it's a big chemical cap and John referees to ionic charging and earth ground the bats alive with Hi voltage potential a neon lights off the plastic case!! Now with a ground your off and running. The ground is just a potential difference .like a bird on a power line no problem but get close to the earth ground and boom crispy city. I think the reason most people fail is there working with constricted source energy aka low voltage and weak amps and bad or no earth ground. Missing the pattern will shut you out.what ever variation you choose after the foundation is your choice. Sorry got to go. Will send pics and may be a bit in a couple of days .keep it simple. If it's simple it's God. And when all the possibilities have been eliminated then what's left must be the answer.Jim out 🍺
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Hi nr sorry didn't mean to diminish what you've done where can I find the work on the net and how far have you refined the project .sounds expensive I'm still stuck on this electrostatic induction idea until Thu experimentation I prove it wrong .not Thu conversation. I've got to battle this out with my self . so far not bad but maybe it's not for everyone. I see some would like more power and don smith's work would be better for them.others John b's work would work for them. I like the extreme simplicity and efficiently of caps. Do it any were kind of thing portable. Make from scraps .will cycle a million times long life. People living on gabage dumps all there lives can do this .people having to live in there autos in Mexico city can have hope now. And all the old folks having to CHOOSE between heat and lights or food will have recourse now. Seems like every time someone comes up with something it's to expensive to make. Man is wolf to man and that's a real tangible problem day in and day out with life and death realty. Thank you NL for your post .Jim out
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Jimbo, where is the image ?
Make it as detailed as possible, with component values and dimensions.
When will you post this? And do post pictures or a video so you we know you are not bullshitting.
As you know, God made humans with limited lifespan.
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Jimbo, where is the image ?
Make it as detailed as possible, with component values and dimensions.
When will you post this? And do post pictures or a video so you we know you are not bullshitting.
As you know, God made humans with limited lifespan.
Well there you go again here in another thread. Demanding pics and video, values and dimentions 'as detailed as possible' ??? ??? ???
"And do post pictures or a video so you we know you are not bullshitting." ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Well what about YOU!!! YOU made claims but wont show anything!!!! So who are you to make hypocritical demands of others??????? ::)
Mags
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I have something in the works, I dont feel its appropriate to show it now untill I made it.
I wont show you my 3d designs yet.
If I succeed, I will tell you about it, If I dont, I will tell you about it.
Its like my algodoo sims, but I am adding some disconnecting belts and implementing by a few methods the ideas found in this page.
Lots of designs, lots of possibilities, my designs are simple so I dont reveal them yet. If I cannot get the funding of organizations to test my ideas I will post them here in manufacurable format.
http://www.resonantfractals.org/Magnetism/Flywheel.htm
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And I probably won't be till some time Sunday evening .so check back later by then some elase may post there results .or not ? You should hear from someone this isn't rocket science. Cheap quick simple . should come fast. Jim out 🍺
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I gave out all info the values sizes I'm using there's nothing really new to give but some pics of the layout which will probably not be very pleasing for it's symplisity .the way you talk is like fallen man- hidding -snicking around -demanding - mean I'm going to give this to the world so no worries. Man chill out. No one's going to cheat you out of anything. But what you make out of it that's all you! Good hunting Jim out.
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When Jimbo reveals something that is overunity, I will gladly link all my assemblies in step format.
Since by then I will have my overunity device for home heating, I think I will be a pretty happy camper.
So we are waiting on you Jimbo, you said you had an overunity design, dont wait on nobody.
I am very chill, its just that when I hear people coming here saying they have an overunity design, talking about God and sharing etc how the world is unfair...
I ask myself, if this bullshitting hack or an actual a genius hillbilly that is true to his word.
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When Jimbo reveals something that is overunity, I will gladly link all my assemblies in step format.
Since by then I will have my overunity device for home heating, I think I will be a pretty happy camper.
So we are waiting on you Jimbo, you said you had an overunity design, dont wait on nobody.
I am very chill, its just that when I hear people coming here saying they have an overunity design, talking about God and sharing etc how the world is unfair...
I ask myself, if this bullshitting hack or an actual a genius hillbilly that is true to his word.
"armPIT" you are truly a mental case.
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I have something in the works, I dont feel its appropriate to show it now untill I made it.
I wont show you my 3d designs yet.
If I succeed, I will tell you about it, If I dont, I will tell you about it.
Its like my algodoo sims, but I am adding some disconnecting belts and implementing by a few methods the ideas found in this page.
Lots of designs, lots of possibilities, my designs are simple so I dont reveal them yet. If I cannot get the funding of organizations to test my ideas I will post them here in manufacurable format.
http://www.resonantfractals.org/Magnetism/Flywheel.htm (http://www.resonantfractals.org/Magnetism/Flywheel.htm)
Ok then why push and call possible bs on someone else? You bragged and bragged but never show anything. So the bragging was completely useless. What was the goal of the bragging if you cannot prove or show anything???????? ??? What good did it do you or anyone here???? ???
So show the same respect to others and you will get respect from others. ;) He will do as he will in his own time, just like you. get it? ???
Mags
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I ask myself, if this bullshitting hack or an actual a genius hillbilly that is true to his word.
See what Im talking about??? You are not only asking yourself, you are posting hypothetical predetermined doubts on his thread. No respect. Just hack this and hillbilly that.
How is it that we cannot make assumptions about you being a bs hillbilly? Is it not that since we read what you claim but you never show anything an initiative to think so, just as you have done here? ???
Mags
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When Jimbo reveals something that is overunity, I will gladly link all my assemblies in step format.
Since by then I will have my overunity device for home heating, I think I will be a pretty happy camper.
So we are waiting on you Jimbo, you said you had an overunity design, dont wait on nobody.
I am very chill, its just that when I hear people coming here saying they have an overunity design, talking about God and sharing etc how the world is unfair...
I ask myself, if this bullshitting hack or an actual a genius hillbilly that is true to his word.
Armcortex:
Confucius say: "Man who has nothing, has nothing to show and will demand that others show him".
Man, he sure has you pegged.
Bill
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I will never respect people that say this : As far as free energy is concerned I've found it , and then they peddle stuff about god.
I never said, I have overunity, I said, I have an idea that may or may not be overunity.
I have something in the works, what do you have ? Nothing ... Your point being?
I have made many awesome videos that are my original intellectual output, that is a fact, but I never said ''I have overunity''.
If you notice, he has spoken in the present tense, let him defend himself by delivering on what he said.
He was very arrogant, not me.
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When Jimbo reveals something that is overunity, I will gladly link all my assemblies in step format.
Since by then I will have my overunity device for home heating, I think I will be a pretty happy camper.
So we are waiting on you Jimbo, you said you had an overunity design, dont wait on nobody.
I am very chill, its just that when I hear people coming here saying they have an overunity design, talking about God and sharing etc how the world is unfair...
I ask myself, if this bullshitting hack or an actual a genius hillbilly that is true to his word.
That sounds like an Overunity claim to me. You just posted above that you have never made such claims and yet...
Oh well.
Bill
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I will never respect people that say this : As far as free energy is concerned I've found it , and then they peddle stuff about god.
I never said, I have overunity, I said, I have an idea that may or may not be overunity.
I have something in the works, what do you have ? Nothing ... Your point being?
I have made many awesome videos that are my original intellectual output, that is a fact, but I never said ''I have overunity''.
If you notice, he has spoken in the present tense, let him defend himself by delivering on what he said.
He was very arrogant, not me.
Mixed messages here indeed.
Bill
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That sounds like an Overunity claim to me. You just posted above that you have never made such claims and yet...
Oh well.
Bill
Bill, read carefully the order of actions, that is the situation if Jimbo delivers on his claim.
To debate with my logic, is to loose the debate, you may keep on yappin but you have lost, thats why I dont respond anymore.
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Read carefully the order of actions, that is the situation if Jimbo delivers on his claim.
To debate with my logic, is to loose the debate, you may keep on yappin but you have lost, thats why I dont respond anymore.
Well, be sure to let me know when you are going to show some logic as I have never seen any from you as of yet...but I am always hopeful. You make a claim that you never made any O.U. claims just after you make a post where you make an O.U. claim. That does not make any logical sense at all.
Bill
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Here's a fast and dirty pic of the layout sorry about the quality try to do better Sunday it's something to chew on and ask questions about or just build it and see for yourself.! Jim this me testing on pics first time if it's not quite right well maybe next time.
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COME ON YOU GUYS LET THIS GUY DO AND SAY WHAT HE HAS ON HAND. DON'T YOU GUYS KNOW BOB MARLEY SONG,
TIME ALONE TIME WILL TELL..HELP THIS GUY GIVE HIM THE SUPPORT...WE ARE ALL ON THE SAME TEAM HERE..DREAMING THE SAME DREAM ..OVER UNITY..
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wfYIMyS_dI ;)
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No, we will not build this for you, it is not overunity.
Next time, make a youtube video and show overunity instead of all these high word count posts.
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No, we will not build this for you, it is not overunity.
Next time, make a youtube video and show overunity instead of all these high word count posts.
::)
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Thanks FORREST you make me happy yet sad man listening to this beautiful song thanks..
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I got a reply that this is not free energy because when you put a amp meter anywere all the string it reads the same or no amp increased. Well that's how it should be reading each received the same charge there pulling from each other .it's in the harvesting of each individual charge that you would see increase.when you only short one cap in the string repetitively then the whole system stops working. There working in lockstep with each other .they get there charges from each other. So same amps from one to the other! Jim PS why would I need someone to build something I all ready have. ? Jim out
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Layout free energy capacitor electrostatic induction. 🍺
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Please Jimbo
edit your image and repost,it is tooooooo large !
i made a smaller one if you want, just copy it and paste it (erase the first one before )
cheers
Alvaro
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Sorry I'm flying blind here everything I do is a hail marry pass . I looked at your new pic it's good but I used a cell phone (crappy pictures) and even worse drawing . and I can't read my bad hand writing with your new image. Is there a way to clarity it so my bad writings will come Thu ? Jim🍻
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Jimbo,
This is somewhere along the same earth energy areas I've been experimenting with. From the "Barbosa and Leal" threads I've got several 8' grounding rods driven into the earth close to my shop. One rod is an input the others are output. Have solar bank of batteries,inverter, controller and cables to the rods. To my surprise and love for free earth energy, was and can harvest some free amperage to light a 14 watt cfl bulb. Of course thats anther topic.
Your idea has merit but I've not tried that way yet.
Have you tried a return from the ground other than the one attached to the meter? Be careful if living in a city area or close to relay stations. But if your residence is country and your area to test is away from utility poles then it's safe to try some different setups.
Justwantfree
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I tried to draw your diagram again. I'm not sure if I got the parts in green color correct.
It's as small as I could get it and still be able to read it.
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GREAT Circuit Redraw above. Thanks.
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A Really Strange Thing is his Swing Switch. Every time it swings back & forth it DISCHARGES
each capacitor through a Light Bulb. That seems like it is DEFEATING the entire circuit and
DOESN'T leave any Voltage or Current for the Inverter to charge the battery.
Any ideas??
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He is not shorting out the caps. He is discharging them through the 110 volt bulb. First one cap and then the other. I am curious how fast you could do this if it was connected to some mosfets or fast switching relays and driven by a microprocessor or other timing device. He is also using AC caps but since they are only being charged and discharged in one direction I wonder if regular electrolytic caps would also work. Maybe Jimbo will comment on my thoughts.
Carroll
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I totally agree that he is discharging the Caps through a light bulb. But since the Caps are DISCHARGED,
then how is there any Current or Voltage left to get over to the INVERTER and Charge the BATTERY?
See the problem there?
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PLUS, since he is charging the Caps through a Ground and a Wire in the air, why not Eliminate all of that
junk and just charge a Cap DIRECTLY by placing it between a Good Ground Rod and a Wire in the Air?
Through a diode of course.
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Fatbird:
Please see Tesla's Apparatus for the Utilization of Radiant Energy. That device had an oscillator to discharge the capacitor continuously. Mr. Jimbo is using the swing switch ( what exactly is that? Like the old Bell switches but how does it work and where can we get one to replicate this?
Except the swing switch I can replicate the entire experiment as stated. I need to buy the choke cap. We can see if the batteries are charged or not.
I think he is alternately shorting or discharing the capacitors in series. When one capacitor discharges second in series charges and when the second in series discharges the first in series charges. The principle is correct but the schematic is a bit confusing to me.
Again the variance between Tesla Patent and this one is that the excess electrons are taken from the earth to the atmosphere here while in Tesla's Patent it is the opposite. It looks like the electron trap of Leal and Barbosa to some extent in principle alone of capturing electrons from Earth. But I might be wrong.
We need to experiment and see if this can be replicated. Experimental results always triumph. I have all the tools except the choke and swing switch. So no investment is needed at my end. really easy for me to replicate this. I can ask Jimbo for clarifications and do any possible improvements and share it here. Let us see if it works.
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The swing switch is just a wire with a clip on each end touching back and fourth between the cap terminals to fire them off . you don't need the clips just the wire will do this is bata on the cheap testing don't. Use DVM for amp flow testing caps eat them for breakfast. A cheap analog from Walmart auto Dept works fine price around 11 bucks. The choke cap really was just there in my box may not need it. Don't get crazy with the voltage and exceed 400 volts .one bad thing about series DC is you can double the rated voltage on the cap.due to plate spread but if you have a sudden short your now twice the cap rating and big bang !! Like some c4 going off. Safety first cover the caps up with some thing . so your not picking stuff out of your face!.
That's 4 to 7watt bulb and just a standard 100volt neon. You probably don't need the bridge rectifier just a good diode may work .I was just being true to what I had on the bench .things are adjustable .just get the DC 120 volts .I'm looking at going 400 volts and increasing the caps but that's another day. Jim out🍺
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Thank you magnaProp for the diagram looks good you did fine work .I'm a little new to this stuff .the blub is 4 to 7 Watts 120 volts you get like 5 to a PAC at Walmart cheap !!. The neon is standard 100 volt elchepo.Jim out🍺
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Fatbird your missing what's going on yes the caps are being discharged Thu the bulb I'm just showing that's there is power were conventional thinking doesn't go . it's in the caps that power is being birthed or cloned
The more caps the higher the voltage the better the ground the faster the switching the better .after the first plate in the first cap it's all free andits what you do with it is up to you.the more caps the more free because the charge on the first plate is reduced. But it all still is no greater than single cap charge but if those cap are big.then you have a big charge for less and less Thur multiple caps with 4 caps your paying for one plate.and charging 7 free but because you can't separate out that one plate you have 3 caps going some place else.
So if you use the negative too then you have the equilivilent of one cap you pay for and six free. Good hunting. Jim out🍺
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Hi folks, Hi jimbo, thanks for sharing.
I have not made a test of your setup, though i did throw together some 25v-2200uf electrolytic caps. in series and then used a 1.2v input, small joule thief, charging caps with flyback.
Though i only used one wire and an avramenko diode plug and it charged the capacitors, though it only started charging them when i connected the other output wire to a large piece of metal or holding it in hand.
Do you know if your setup can accomplish the same thing using a virtual ground or large piece of metal as antenna.
peace love light
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Most likely don Smith used earth grounds and he said this could be used on airplanes by using the hull .it's just that the earth is so big it works well ! This could be used to run the ion engines to mars.using the hull.then for life support on Mars. Just purchased more caps. James up till then Jim out🍺
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Skywatcher123 amp up you game raise your voltage keep your uf's the same or could go bang if you have a land line the outer ground shelf is a good earth ground it's connected all around the town. For miles with many ground points. Not the wires the outer shielding ground.good hunting Jim out🍺
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Thru inductance....? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3NioI-m5EM
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Electrostatic induction induction or inductance comes from the wording to induced as in one charge induces another charge .every body seam to only think it means coils but coils were the second place it was found the first place was with electrostatic works like with the electrostatic induction generators like the Swiss ml generator.goes right back to the first works with charge's. Magnets induce magnetism in iron making more magnets but you have limited use there.but electrostatic energy will induce an electrostatic charge just by being close to another object and if you can capture it that can be put to work right away.! Your cloning the charge by proximity. A free lunch . why use magnets then have to convert flux lines to electricity by hard work when you can get the electricity directly by just being close to it. Sounds kind of convoluted to me. Going around the block just to get back to were you were in the first place! Da? Jim out 👍
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yea but then the problem I see lies in the fact
that you are outputting a high enough voltage
from the transformer in your 12v inverter to make
all this happen, and that transformer is using
mutual induction, not pulling charge straight from
the air, but from a battery.
Just curious mainly about that circuit. If we're
talking some super efficient inverter that is meant
for low current applications and happens to run idle
at a super low current, then I can see the basis
for some kind of overunity claim. If it's pulling
a couple hundred mA or more then I'd think
what you are getting in pulses from those caps isn't
much of a recoop. but then I really can't tell without
at least some kind of video or something..
I just know I've basically practiced this same setup
many times whilst trying to '1-wire charge' a lot of
caps and batteries from a HV source.
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The inverter is just a charge source the cap string is were the efficiency is Thu electrostatic induction from the first plate in the first cap .the more caps the smaller the charge on the first plate and the more induced induced energy in the rest of the caps. I'm thinking what would a small vandgraft generator on a bedini device that runs free on its on .produce with this set up with Hi voltage caps like saltwater caps or Leyden jars or 5gal bucket death caps .but run motor caps for now. Jim out 👍
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Jim, Have you made any progress on this device? Have any photos to share? I am researching some Don Smith devices that involve charging a capacitor and many of the concepts overlap with what you are describing. Is the lightbulb and "swinging switch wire" required or are they just to demonstrate that there is energy in the caps? How do you extract the energy from the caps while the system is all connected?
I have most of these parts laying around so if I had a better grasp on what needs to be done I would consider wiring it up and seeing what happens.
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Tesluh
The swinging switch is just to release the energy .I've changed that to a neon they fire at 90 volts .I now use a Variac and a car high voltage coil with a diode . with a good earth ground . I think I might have seen something the last time .I put in four new grounds and put a meter between a positive on a 12 volt battery and got a reading didn't happen with only one. Better I think. I was able to fire off 5 neons over 5 caps with the new set up didn't go to 6 got nervous ! It's random firing on each neon.star low on the Variac and adjust up.put something over the caps in case one of the neons gets loose boom!!! The voltage can rise above the caps self destruct level it's like a land mine. I'm trying to work out a way to get a real good set up to measure the in and out of the system .its a random pulsing not easy to do a reading .using 5 caps I have 3 totally isolated from the charging energy aka not connected yet there charging just like the rest and the one on the positive source end only discharges what's in the cap. Unless you short it to ground .nothing is flowing Thu the system just potential. The plate on the first cap charge's to full and the rest just adjust to match electron to proton each robing from the one next to it charging the string . the higher voltage just quicken the charging .just Watch out!!! With that .
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What is the load are you powering with this device?
what is the purpose of the neon bulb? is it some sort of draw to cause energy to flow?
If there is any way I could figure out exactly how to duplicate the effect you are creating I could try it and add to your description. I have 4 car battery sized capacitors (10uf @4kvdc) that would work perfect for this experiment.
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could a safety spark gap be used somehow to prevent over-voltage in the caps?
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The neons are the spark gap. voltages to low for open air gap. Need higher voltages use more neons in series .the neons don't let the hivoltage from the car coil get past 90volts the caps are 450 volt area. For safety .no load just the 4watt bulbs I've set A-side for now.just trying to come up with a way to measure the ins and out of the system for now .like a volt meter on each cap and an amp meter on the inverter. Might do it. ,1 neon with a 4watt blub might give you enough time to get readings from the five voltage meters and the one amp meter but a video might be better to capture in real time all the meters at once freeze frame. Time line do math decern energy involved. Hard to deal with can only read so many meters at once !need recording. Jim out
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Thank you,
I dont think you need extreme measuring equipment, you have a battery eventually going to ground (yes i understand this is an open system but basically you aren't connecting to mains power) so really as long as you can maintain or increase charge in the battery and power a load you have collected excess from the ambient on the remaining capacitor plates. That would be relatively easy to display, its hard to trust meters when working with some of these devices. Higher voltage and maybe higher frequency could only help from what I can tell. I am tempted to try this and see what happens, just trying to study it first to make sure its safe and worthwhile.
Once you have the caps charged, what happens if you disconnect them? how long do they take to run down?
what is the draw on the battery while it's running, minimal?
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That's the problem the caps fire off the neons randomly .a pic in action and do the math at the point of freeze .it's strange like trying to corral cats.everything is interrelated . battery's are about 50% efficient that's why five caps.with two you should break even you need more to go OU look at it like this you got a source of POS and neg of elevated voltage u put a large cap on each u put them to earth ground (on the same line !!) Each pulls there opposite counter part till they balance out .say you have a million positrons on source of one cap and the same on the neg .the earth will populate the other side of the caps.you have doubled what you have right there . your OU now 100% but the battery needs that to remain at zero sum being 50% effective. If that alone could be recaptured and reinvested your at four times what a single cap would do. Hay watch out for internal resistors in your caps try changing one to ground first.to see if you have things right if you can't try another ground or cap because that's all there is to the system if you can't no need to continue till you get that working. Might USD the house ground on the wall outlet. Or the ground cable covering it's a good one runs all over town multiple earth points.Jim out.if you don't have one try pounding a steel rebarb in the ground and pulling it out add a half of a pound of salt put back mix water and the rest of the salt and use to wash the rod in .go for at least four ft more is better more rods better. The salt helps a lot.I'm gone jim
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That earth cable covering is the phone line not the wires .
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THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THRU INDUCTANCE....!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtVlNj0K2kU
SALUDOS FROM MEXICO, JORGE REBOLLEDO.
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Hi
Your down there in Mexico ? There's some collage students who interded an electric bike contest Walker I think there at a university the bike recharges so well it never stops !! Can you look into it see how there progressing ?? Or went missing
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Hello Jim, do you think this schematic would charge as you suggest, using much less energy to charge than would be stored in the capacitors. This is the same as your drawing without the swing switch and amp meter. I could connect this circuit in less time than it took to write this post, but I am careful to work with these capacitors I have as they are very large and dangerous.
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Not antenna, but simply not used.
Long time ago, AC mains was just one wire, plus ground. This worked, but was a big waste. Bow instead we use the "neutral" wire that gies back to the power company. Depending in your power factor, you may pay too much or too little for your electricity, because we are charged an average flatrate of power factor, or of being "in phase".
But that doesn't mean your concept must be UU or COP<=1.
Just saying, any AC can be used (whether rectified or not) to connect to earth.
Just measure the V*A=W that flows from the battery to the inverter.
You can also run the inverter with a strong Computer power supply from mains, then use a Watt meter.
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Hi tesluh
Can't read the diagram format not supported .sorry I might need an new app .what format is it if you can tell ? Been looking at using MOSFETs to do the cap dumping and using a photo translater with a neon to trigger at 90 volts the neon would have a big value resistor in series with it for limiting the current loss and just light up at 90 volts to signal the photo transistor there by trigining the MOSFET .then everything would reset. Your right about the danger !!! But so is getting out of bed if you don't watch your self. I can't post any pics right now camera broken. Jim
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Hi Dieter
Sorry don't understand what your referring to can you make it clearer ? Thanks for your consideration.
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BTW. I hate to rain on anybodies parade, but we all must seek truth and confirmed facts. Therefor I invite anyone to rain on MY parade and convince me that I'm wrong, if anybody can, see here:
http://overunity.com/17116/searching-for-buddy-in-promising-magnet-motor-project/msg500202/#new
Not trying to hijack this thread, just curious why the the disprovers don't disprove ME... :)
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@ Jim,
using only one wire of AC with earth does not mean there comes no energy from the inverter. It does not matter whether it is rectified AC (=rippled DC) or normal AC.
But maybe I misunderstood your concept.
I do believe that you can pull energy out of the ground, eg. by high back emf spikes, that literarly are pulling electrons out of the earth, esp. with a large contact surface. As you seem to interrupt the cirquit for the blinking thing, you may have such a back emf, that could be a factor.
Also notice lightbulbs are brighter with a higher voltage, even if the Watts go down because the amps went down more than the volts went up.
Example: 100V and 0.1 Amp lightbulb is brighter than with 50V at 0.2 A. But of course the AC frequency and waveform must be altered to change the Amps from 0.1 to 0.2 with the same lightbulb...
Or, if you reduce duty cycle, but increase Voltage, it will also be brighter.
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Hello dieter
Sorry not really interested in it do some more bench. Work and post more results to move your point forward. A better approach is spintronics just make a box with one end open and the other end with a small hole the only rules are all out side parts in the small hole area must be North the inside of box north no South exposed to the small hole area .then stack a set of small neo's together to make a rod with a North and South end and then put the North into the hole with a tube like a straw .North exposed to North doesn't make sense but it sucks it in and out the other end fast!!.now design a motor with this .arrangement.
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You didn't have to go off topic, but thanks.
I see you have an amp meter, and I guess you also have a volt meter. Just measure volts (well I guess about 12 to 13) and Amps (in serial between battery and inverter), then multiply and tell us.
Also compare this to a situation in which you use the negative inverter output instead of the earth connection. Is it more or less?
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Hello dieter
This tec is very old . was used on lyenden jars a precursor to modern caps .the trick is elevated voltages .or potential in other words it's a proven system .the early American father's used it to charge the jars aka caps my take on this is when the caps are in a series like three or four the isolated caps charge by the potential of there environment .just adjusting to the new conditions there trapped into.they become polarized like a battery then I steal the charges from them. A Similitude is a string of nails touching a magnet each mail becomes polarized or magnified but nothing there to extract .or use both use inductance.to achieve the results. A billion hivoltage protons will a tract a billion electrons from the environment earth ground the best.I'm pumping out energy from the earth .or if you get a hold of the ground end you!. .good luck with your work. Ps this works just as well with hivoltage negitve.so from one source a hivoltage POS and neg you can double your energy.it's physics.
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Good to see this thread getting some discussion, Jim, my schematic was the same as yours minus the ampmeter and swing switch. Basically asking if either had a purpose in the circuit other than to measure current or discharge the caps. Hoping to simply charge the 4 caps first then figure out the best way to use that charge.
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Thanks, seems like I better take a closer look at this old technology then.
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Tesluh
The amp meter was just to show the current comming out of the ground and when it stops. The switch was the simplest way to dump the caps. Each caps polarity was reversed so a current control /polarity problem .I set up a new configuration using a inverter a Variac a hivoltage car coil and bridge diodes . I wasn't happy with the charging speed or the number of cap I could charge at once. But this was faster and I got to five caps. There was an option that said just the hivoltage was needed but that's not true it's both hivoltage and good supply current .as one to one proton to electron . always use. A neon or two across the terminals for safety stoping it at 90 volts.mine was charging faster and more but dumping at 90 volts.Jim out.
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I tried this and haven't been able to get it to charge yet, power seems to stop at my rectifier and the wire to the cap is not energized. I may have bleed resistors in my capacitors, I should check them. I only have one ground rod, did you say you had better results with 4 ground rods? Also saw you were using "a Variac and a car high voltage coil with a diode . with a good earth ground"
I have a car ignition coil I could try it with, is it just car coil output connected to diode connected to capacitor #1 plate and the rest the same as your drawing? I might go find some motor run caps that for certain don't have bleeder resistors.
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Hi tesluh
Start with just one cap get that working first check your ground .yes good grounds are better use 119 volts DC put a neon across the cap leads when it hits 90 vdc it fires off the charge .it's also a safety .it's a little slow .put a analog meter in line with the ground to see charging going on.use oil filled motor caps with a Hi voltage rating like 340 or 440 v.don't mess with the car coil and veriac first just get the parts right first .when you do use the car coil make sure you have the verac turned it to off then slowly adjust up .. Yes no bleed resistors .your caps should hold a charge or no good..always keep a neon or two across each cap so you don't over load it and blow it up .there like land mines. Keep pecking away at it you'll get it.somethings off .saw your diagram finely the three caps how are you going to release the charge ? The neons do that automatically for you. Jim out
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Are you using a bridge rectifier ? Because if only one diode one side of the inverter is cold the other hot .find hot with a neon connected to ground .the cold side doesn't glow.it's not a true neg source..
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Yes I tried two different rectifiers and finally built a bridge out of (4) 1n5408 diodes. I'll check it with the earthed neon bulb and see which side glows. going to order some motor run caps... Thank you for answering my questions!
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I measured 108v across + and - of diode bridge, positive lead would not charge my capacitor as far as I could tell, I also tried to charge a motor run cap and no luck there either. My ground rods might be the issue.
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Might be try the house ground the small round hole in you electrical out let .then if you have a old phone line try the outer maltalic shielding not the wires that shielding is supposed to be very good. If you have a pipe going into the ground some were like water or well .108 DC is workable .you got the analog amp meter in line and set to low est setting you will see it.if you go to a scrap yard you can pick up motor caps for almost nothing. Try just charging your caps with the 108dc directly that has to work or the caps screwed .if your using grounds rods can you put salt and water down in the earth with them?
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It's probably the inverter I tried several that were hivoltage that didn't work lucky the working ones are cheep truck stop inverters for simis I got a 400 watt unit for 15.00 on sale .just use your wall electrical outlet .cut a cord and plug off a though out and make one lead shorter than the other to minimise the chance of a short out. Use the ground in the wall outlet put a screw driver in the round ground hole and a wire cliped to it now attach a neon onto the ground now plug in the he coard and touch each line just once that will give you the hot line tye a not in the hot line .unplug it and the a not in it .now your hot will work wire in your bridge diode connect the ground. Put the neon across the cap terminals .leave the negative disconnected.
If you're concerned about the set up use a wall switch controlled outlet .this will confirm your set up and that you need a different cheap inverted. The cap will only charge up to the level of the neon 90 volts dc but if you are not using the DC bridge rectifier you will have a short to ground and pop a circuit bracker those diodes have to be functional to stop the current ..if it stays on seemingly it might be charging and discharging so fast you can't see it don't keep using this set up use a cheap inverter to limit the power .that plug has between 10,000 and 20,000 Watts behind it just waiting for you to frac up..just verify and that's all .and don't use it again.way to much potential for trouble.Jim out.
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I tried using the wall outlet and blew the gfci, would need to put it on a dedicated non gfci circuit to try it, otherwise I have apile of different inverters here I can test with.
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Been off grid so long for got about gfic .not part of my life now :o