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Offline John.K1

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Re: real free energy with capacitors thru inductance
« Reply #15 on: May 07, 2016, 12:57:41 AM »
Hi Guys,

Just a question Jimbo - Can you put the amp-meter between the battery  and the invertor - Just to get an idea how much energy you consume at the start and calculate how much energy you get back from your caps - how long you wait to charge the caps to be able to perform single blink?

I am a bit pessimistic about this, as I did similar things an year or two ago , charging three caps with single voltage terminal, also blinking the 5W bulb, but the consumption for my input was higher than output.  Just we need some   Input/output data . Blinking light is not much saying. I also remember I burned my Arduino programmed to connect/disconnect the caps from load and SG.  :)

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Offline NRamaswami

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Re: real free energy with capacitors thru inductance
« Reply #16 on: May 07, 2016, 05:20:52 AM »
Hi Jim:

Thanks for sharing the info.

A capacitor based free energy device will require

a. source of high voltage (no amperage is fine)
b. High voltage coils to surround permanent magnets and then
c. go to Capacitor bank where capacitors are arrranged in increasing voltage and capacitance in series and go to
d. Earth.

Jim in your arrangement b is absent. Look at the Testatika device and you will see it.

Usually commercial capacitors have lower capacitance ratings as the Voltages go higher. A device as conceived by you would require both the voltage and capacitance to progressively increase for the output to have higher voltage and amperage.

If the components a to d are not present failure and disappiontment would be result. This is not new.

Check http://www.google.com/patents/US685957 for the same principle that you are talking about. Old Patents would avoid one technical feature usually. This patent does not show the permanent magnets needed. Testatika device shows the Permanent magnets.

Add the permanent magnets before the capacitors and then test the output. 

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Re: real free energy with capacitors thru inductance
« Reply #17 on: May 07, 2016, 06:23:55 AM »
Thank you for your input
Don't know  about magnets or coils I had to give this some thought. And it works as is but improvement is all ways helpful if it pans out . about the amps. The collection of electrons or protons need amps not for attraction but for how to put this ? It's a one for one type of arrangement. We're pulling them and with a low amount available the speed sufers for transference. How do I know? Because I used a relay charger that puts out 250 to 300 volts to try this charging and it was slow. So with less voltage but more amps available things got  better. Trial and error. But at 3500volts and 130 kz like Don's work things might get alot better I'm lookin at getting to 400 volts .my grounds crap only 2 ft in the ground yet it's working lots of room for improvement
Jim out . PS less sitting on our hands and more hands on. Tesla laugh at Einstein for being a theriest .🍺

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Re: real free energy with capacitors thru inductance
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Offline NRamaswami

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Re: real free energy with capacitors thru inductance
« Reply #18 on: May 07, 2016, 08:43:38 AM »
Jim:

No theories here. I know from practical demonstrated experience of lighting 10x 200 watts lamps at 28 volts from induced magnets. Without capacitors ( RUN capacitors of 200 microfarad) the voltage obtained for 1x200 watts lamp is only 82 volt and when we add two RUN capacitors the votlage jumps to 172 volts. I have even posted photos of it without caps in Figuera forum. 

If you think you have no amperage that simply means that the capacitance of your capacitors is low through the capacitors are high voltage. It is normally the case with cheap capacitors. You increase the farad rating of capacitors and use magnets and then tell me.

I have built Electromagnets that weigh in total 300 kgms. Coils I used alone are in excess of 120 kgms. 1800 meters of 2.5 sq mm wire, 2000 meters of 4 sq mm wire and about 450 meters of 1 sq mm wire all in one coil.

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Re: real free energy with capacitors thru inductance
« Reply #19 on: May 07, 2016, 03:21:35 PM »

a. source of high voltage (no amperage is fine)
b. High voltage coils to surround permanent magnets and then
c. go to Capacitor bank where capacitors are arrranged in increasing voltage and capacitance in series and go to
d. Earth.

Hi NR..,

Have you tried this HV device below. It charge capacitor very quickly. You can nearly constantly spark.  In 5V @ 0.4A  -> 160V on caps.  In 12V @ 1A  ->  450V on caps. I think if the device was tuned properly we might see interesting results. I use expensive WIMA caps . I have tried to isolate output with the DC-DC  but it didn't work. As I said- maybe  it just needs proper tuning ;)



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Offline Magnethos

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Re: real free energy with capacitors thru inductance
« Reply #20 on: May 07, 2016, 03:42:53 PM »
Hi NR..,

Have you tried this HV device below. It charge capacitor very quickly. You can nearly constantly spark.  In 5V @ 0.4A  -> 160V on caps.  In 12V @ 1A  ->  450V on caps. I think if the device was tuned properly we might see interesting results. I use expensive WIMA caps . I have tried to isolate output with the DC-DC  but it didn't work. As I said- maybe  it just needs proper tuning ;)
A lot of time without posting here. So I post again.

Thanks for the schematics. I have not seen anything new, but it's interesting to perform tests with. I see you're using the capcoil effect (a capacitor with 1 plate and the other plate is a coil, not a plate). Also in the schematic (right bottom) there is the 90 degree induction plates as Don Smith explained. Smith explained that magnetic waves don't get diminished as they pass throught capacitor plates, so you can create as many copies as you like.

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Re: real free energy with capacitors thru inductance
« Reply #21 on: May 07, 2016, 04:00:13 PM »
To start with .what's not said is by spreading out the charge you increase the inductance side of the charge and reduce the conductive side .with 5 caps is a series the first plate is charged by conductance the rest by inductance aka free. The string is under strain by the first positive plate and has to   regauge. It's potential to match the first plates level and there by balance every thing out . the energy to do this is pulled from the earth .
I don't like to post theories without testing before. But I have performed some tests of the things I am going to explain.

You say that "the rest (of the plates) are charged by inductance". Do you know the Mislasvskij's effect and the CapCoil effect and Don Smith effect? They are very similar.

The Mislavskij effect is to use the magnetic field created by the capacitor plates and place a flat soft metal between the plates and you can induce a current in the transformer's core using magnetic field from the capacitor plates.

The capcoil effect (explained by V. Utkin) is to use 1 capacitor plate and the other plate is a coil. So you can charge a coil using capacitor's magnetic field of influence the plate using the coil.

The Smith effect is known in this forum. You use displacement current to excite one capacitor plate (you place a dielectric in between) and in the second capacitor plate you get energy.

There are at least 2 more effects that I have documented based on a similar behaviour.



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Re: real free energy with capacitors thru inductance
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Offline NRamaswami

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Re: real free energy with capacitors thru inductance
« Reply #22 on: May 07, 2016, 04:44:05 PM »
Hi NR..,

Have you tried this HV device below. It charge capacitor very quickly. You can nearly constantly spark.  In 5V @ 0.4A  -> 160V on caps.  In 12V @ 1A  ->  450V on caps. I think if the device was tuned properly we might see interesting results. I use expensive WIMA caps . I have tried to isolate output with the DC-DC  but it didn't work. As I said- maybe  it just needs proper tuning ;)

Thanks for the drawing John..I have only one Electrical Engineering student working for me part time. I will ask him to study the circuit and see what is the cost of doing it. I have done a very large device now and we have asked my former driver to take one day off and come and work on the project. I think the device would work but theories and expectations are different and experimental results are different. From all I have learnt from my failure I have spent a lot of time, man power and costs to build this single very large device. 5 feet long solenoid of 5 inches dia core and with almost 120+ kgms of coils alone. I need to use AC, pulsed Dc and Interrupted DC all here to check how the thing works.

It is only after this and another low cost experiment I can handle this HV device. Thanks for sharing again but my ability to experiment is now very limited due to finances and high work. I will deinitely try this after completing the current project and an invention that I had been working on. Not free energy but a different essential product. My apologies for the delay.

Regards,

Ramaswami

Offline John.K1

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Re: real free energy with capacitors thru inductance
« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2016, 05:07:25 PM »

The capcoil effect (explained by V. Utkin) is to use 1 capacitor plate and the other plate is a coil. So you can charge a coil using capacitor's magnetic field of influence the plate using the coil.


Have you tried to test or study an asymmetrical capacitor as described in the Utkin's papers??

Regards,

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Re: real free energy with capacitors thru inductance
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Re: real free energy with capacitors thru inductance
« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2016, 07:23:48 PM »
Hi nr
No I haven't studied asymmetrical capacitors yet sorry may later when I have some more time my area of studies lately it's been all electrostatic induction seeing what I could find on the net the original discovery's and modern thinking that there was something about the way one charge could make another Thu proximity and a quick contact with ground that I couldn't get away from. But the with the staic generators Thu induction   the source to over come the charge accumulator area was the problem when tested the efficiency was the same as a standard wire and magnet set up .but with caps and switch's along with strong electrical potential and. A earth ground  there's no repulsive fource to push you away ..all influence by plate proximity .the father's of this art had to be working in known science something in common when you look at all of their work's and reduce them down to their common elements then you have a pattern to work with .sure some personal structuring will be in the mix like how to switch it how to mold it into useable power .but at the end it's hi voltage positive pulseing with caps and earth ground and these are adjustable. The coils the resonance are up grades .i m looking for the core elements after that the possibilities are wide open. Look at bedini's work hi voltage Thu pulse coil rectified and charging cap that charges a battery. Looking at the battery it's a big chemical cap and John referees to ionic charging and earth ground the bats alive with Hi voltage potential a neon lights off the plastic case!! Now with a ground your off and running. The ground is just a potential difference .like a bird  on a power line no problem but get close to the earth ground and boom crispy city. I think the reason most people fail is there working with constricted source energy aka low voltage and weak amps and bad or no earth ground. Missing the pattern will shut you out.what ever variation you choose after the foundation is your choice. Sorry got to go. Will send pics and may be a bit in a couple of days .keep it simple. If it's simple it's God. And when all the possibilities have been eliminated then what's left must be the answer.Jim out 🍺

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Re: real free energy with capacitors thru inductance
« Reply #25 on: May 07, 2016, 10:47:19 PM »
Hi nr sorry didn't mean to diminish what you've done where can I find the work on the net and how far have you refined the project .sounds expensive I'm still stuck on this electrostatic induction idea until Thu experimentation I prove it wrong .not Thu conversation. I've got to battle this out with my self . so far not bad but maybe it's not for everyone. I see some would like more power and don smith's work would be better for them.others John b's work would work for them. I like the extreme simplicity and efficiently of caps. Do it any were kind of thing portable. Make from scraps .will cycle a million times long life. People living on gabage dumps all there lives can do this .people having to live in there autos in Mexico city can have hope now. And all the old folks having to CHOOSE between heat and lights or food will have recourse now. Seems like every time someone comes up with something it's to expensive to make. Man is wolf to man and that's a real tangible problem day in and day out with life and death realty. Thank you NL for your post .Jim out

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Re: real free energy with capacitors thru inductance
« Reply #26 on: May 07, 2016, 11:41:00 PM »
Jimbo, where is the image ?

Make it as detailed as possible, with component values and dimensions.

When will you post this? And do post pictures or a video so you we know you are not bullshitting.

As you know, God made humans with limited lifespan.




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Re: real free energy with capacitors thru inductance
« Reply #27 on: May 07, 2016, 11:47:56 PM »
Jimbo, where is the image ?

Make it as detailed as possible, with component values and dimensions.

When will you post this? And do post pictures or a video so you we know you are not bullshitting.

As you know, God made humans with limited lifespan.

Well there you go again here in another thread.  Demanding pics and video, values and dimentions 'as detailed as possible' ??? ??? ???


"And do post pictures or a video so you we know you are not bullshitting."  ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

Well what about YOU!!!  YOU made claims but wont show anything!!!!   So who are you to make hypocritical demands of others??????? ::)


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Re: real free energy with capacitors thru inductance
« Reply #28 on: May 08, 2016, 12:20:01 AM »
I have something in the works, I dont feel its appropriate to show it now untill I made it.

I wont show you my 3d designs yet.

If I succeed, I will tell you about it, If I dont, I will tell you about it.

Its like my algodoo sims, but I am adding some disconnecting belts and implementing by a few methods the ideas found in this page.

Lots of designs, lots of possibilities, my designs are simple so I dont reveal them yet. If I cannot get the funding of organizations to test my ideas I will post them here in manufacurable format.

http://www.resonantfractals.org/Magnetism/Flywheel.htm




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Re: real free energy with capacitors thru inductance
« Reply #29 on: May 08, 2016, 12:26:40 AM »
And I probably won't be till some time Sunday evening .so check back later by then some elase may post there results .or not ? You should hear from someone this isn't rocket science. Cheap quick simple . should come fast. Jim out 🍺

 

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