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Title: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: hartiberlin on May 04, 2016, 08:29:43 AM
Hi Guys,
have a look at this video where the Greek Inventor Petros Zografos has come
up with a revolutionary catalytic Microwave Pulse Generator Water Splitting method.
He only needs MilliWatts for the MicroWave Pulse Generator and has a virtual Electrode
in Saltwater or normal Tap water where it produces huge amounts of Hydrogen. not HHO.
With it he can run a Bike 100 % on water, no gasoline needed.
Also he has a newer device like a cold MHD generator or special selfmade Fuelcell,
where he directly converts the Hydrogen gas to Electricity again and can produce around 230 Watts
of electrical power from just filling water into his newer device.
It is just amazing.
Check this out:
https://youtu.be/JN-kLrtU0po

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: hartiberlin on May 04, 2016, 08:37:11 AM
His Youtube channel is:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCa1TJGxtBLX2yK9uL9rwZoA/videos

where he was interviewed and showed his inventions on Live TV in Greece
with an experts audience where he was nailed with technical questions
from Skeptics, but he could convince them, that his technology is real.

His Website is:
http://www.hellagen.gr

It would really help, if some greek users could help to translate a few videos or write up
a summary about this catalytic process.
He seems to use some kind of metal Alloy like an Alloy with Aluminium or something light like this
which he puts in a glas tube and puts some kind like GigaHz or TerraHz RF pulses in a coil
around the glas tube where the metal alloy is in the water and then this splits the water immediately
with very little power for the pulse generator and producing lots of Hydrogen gas.
The Metal Alloy is only slowly consumed in this process  and lasts very long and is cheap,
so it is a very efficient process which will replace fossil fuels completely on the longer run...

Enjoy !

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: hartiberlin on May 04, 2016, 08:43:47 AM
Here is more info:

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/breakthrough-radiowave-electrolysis-palmolysis-pure-direct-papadelos
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: hartiberlin on May 04, 2016, 08:56:27 AM
Look at this video about starting at Minute 39:00
https://youtu.be/h_Ps1R03WqM?t=39m39s (https://youtu.be/h_Ps1R03WqM?t=39m39s)

There he shows the basic principle by putting a little alloy metal plate into a glas tube with tap or saltwater
and then puts the glas tube into the horn of a microwave pulse generator. This Pulse generator is powered by 7.5 Volts
DC and uses only MilliWatts of power and then see, what big Hydrogen flame ge generates from it,
which has at least 500 or 1000 Watts of heat energy power production when burning.

Also as he can turn on and off the Microwave generator instantly, the Hydrogen production is really on demand
and needs no storage and can be easily switched off, so there are no dangerous storage amounts of Hydrogen
gas... you only need to carry water in your fuel tank !

This is simular to the Technology the late John Kanzius had invented in 2007, but he needed
about 500 Watts of 13.xx Mhz for a very small Hydrogen flame and his process thus was not overunity.
Unfortunately John Kanzius committed again to Chemotherapy instead of a RawFood diet which killed him with his
cancer illness... too bad..

But now Petros Zografos has found the breakthrough to split water with very low electrical input power.

Hope this helps to understand better the process behind it.
Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: hartiberlin on May 04, 2016, 09:06:13 AM
In this video he shows his water to direct Electricity converter:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEeHyz7d5C4

Here only with one lamp and 2 DC fan motors,
but a later device like this can already produce
about 230 Watts, which seems to work
like a cold MHD generator a special fuel cell:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twYbr-ZSU0g
In this video he has as a load a Microwave oven, a Laptop PC
a Mixer and a few bulbs...and it is all powered by just a bit of saltwater
from the ocean (and probably a bit consumed metall alloy..)
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: pomodoro on May 04, 2016, 06:08:24 PM
The flame is not hydrogen. The yellow is from carbon. Most likely methanol, which only has a small amount of carbon and burns just like that.  Metal is heated inductively and boils methanol at 65C leaving behing the water it was mixed with. It was mixed so it wouldn't burn. You can tell its boiling because the bubbles are huge. Electrolysis and gas evolution on metals give very fine bubbles - always.


Look at this video about starting at Minute 39:00
https://youtu.be/h_Ps1R03WqM?t=39m39s (https://youtu.be/h_Ps1R03WqM?t=39m39s)

There he shows the basic principle by putting a little alloy metal plate into a glas tube with tap or saltwater
and then puts the glas tube into the horn of a microwave pulse generator. This Pulse generator is powered by 7.5 Volts
DC and uses only MilliWatts of power and then see, what big Hydrogen flame ge generates from it,
which has at least 500 or 1000 Watts of heat energy power production when burning.

Also as he can turn on and off the Microwave generator instantly, the Hydrogen production is really on demand
and needs no storage and can be easily switched off, so there are no dangerous storage amounts of Hydrogen
gas... you only need to carry water in your fuel tank !
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: pomodoro on May 04, 2016, 06:14:07 PM
That Maggot will laugh all the way to the bank.
Hydrogen from water without Oxygen or Hydroxides. Who was the chemist on the panel.

Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: e2matrix on May 04, 2016, 06:36:51 PM
From his web site:  " "Anyone can build and who need our help will provide the eager, will help anyone who wants to build.  Maybe help so ... to awaken the productive forces of the country, "noted Peter Painter"
Doesn't sound like what a con man would be writing ....
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: e2matrix on May 04, 2016, 07:08:31 PM
The flame is not hydrogen. The yellow is from carbon. Most likely methanol, which only has a small amount of carbon and burns just like that.  Metal is heated inductively and boils methanol at 65C leaving behing the water it was mixed with. It was mixed so it wouldn't burn. You can tell its boiling because the bubbles are huge. Electrolysis and gas evolution on metals give very fine bubbles - always.
Hydrogen burns with an orange flame.   Looks close in the video and the source of lighting in the room as well as the camera used could easily shift orange to a more yellow hue as orange and yellow are very close in the color spectrum. 
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: ramset on May 04, 2016, 07:25:09 PM
Ematrix
Edit

Correction
Numbers worked Fine !!
will update here when I get more info !

thx
Chet
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 04, 2016, 08:30:42 PM
My simple question is:

What happens to the O2 in the H2O when it is split?  It has to go someplace right?  I mean, it can't just disappear.  I can't watch the videos or anything until I get home...does he account for where the O2 goes in his videos?

Thanks,

Bill
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: massive on May 04, 2016, 10:21:30 PM


Behold , the one ended stick ........... ???
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: pomodoro on May 05, 2016, 02:57:44 AM
Hydrogen burns with an orange flame.   Looks close in the video and the source of lighting in the room as well as the camera used could easily shift orange to a more yellow hue as orange and yellow are very close in the color spectrum.
I use a hydrogen oxygen torch to melt quartz tubing occasionally and the flame is almost invisible. In the dark it is blue/white, even with no mixed oxygen. Mind you I use ultra high pure hydrogen as used in my lab for experiments. The red hydrogen line is from the atomic spectrum of hydrogen, not the molecular spectrum and only occurs where enough atomic hydrogen is made which ive never been able to achieve in the oxyhydrogen flame. A trace of hydrocarbon will give some yellow if not enough oxygen is provided. Any sodium chloride will make a very specific yellow flame, but most of the flame will be yellow, not just the tip.Methanol, Ethanol and higher alcohols burn like in the video. The more carbons in the molecule, the more yellow the flame. After ethanol, the boiling point gets too close to that of water and his prop would not work. Methanol is hard to smell but ethanol and above are easy to detect with your nose.
Try writing to the dude and see what instructions he gives and let us know. These cunning people will pretend to be helpful so as to con investors, who see it as a sign of goodwill.
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: pomodoro on May 05, 2016, 06:30:29 PM
Let's ignore the fact that the hydrogen is not burning like hydrogen and let's ignore the other fact that the bubbles are those of boiling, not those of a chemical reaction and focus on the chemistry. We see clearly that no oxygen is liberated.Judging by the large volume of the supposed hydrogen, a fair amount of oxygen needs to be locked up as hydroxide, eating up the metal .Reduction of the water bonded hydrogen to gas requires an electron from the metal. Now the metal bonds to the oxygen. The other hydrogen remains bonded to the oxygen as well, forming MOH, M being the metal, instead of water, HOH. This is simplified since different amounts of OH will attach to the metal depending on its valency .Since the metal is not from the alkali or alkali earths it will not be all that soluble and will show up as a white, colored or gelatinous precipitate. But we see nothing of the kind. There is a very unlikely scenario of OH. radicals forming and converting into H2O2 but this is known to be very small side reaction in radiolysis of water.I would not be too surprized if this is an orchestrated stunt by the Greek government to get some badly needed funds into the country because Greece is hurting very badly still.
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: TheCell on May 05, 2016, 07:13:58 PM
From his web site:  " "Anyone can build and who need our help will provide the eager, will help anyone who wants to build.  Maybe help so ... to awaken the productive forces of the country, "noted Peter Painter"
Doesn't sound like what a con man would be writing ....
Do I get it right : he offers help to replicators , and only wants them to spread the knowledge?
Could you please post the url of the page with this text?
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: Void on May 05, 2016, 09:35:13 PM
Here is the abstract from his Greek patent application:
GR1007830 (B) ― 2013-02-13
"METHOD AND DEVICE FOR WATER ELECTROLYSIS AND PRODUCTION OF HYDROGEN TO BE USED AS COMBUSTIBLE UPON UTILISATION OF COMBINED FREQUENCIES"

Novelty: There are disclosed a method and a device destined for water electrolysis and production of hydrogen to be used as combustible by combination of high frequencies produced by semitonic oscillators; when mixed, reinforced and combined, said frequencies contrive to break water into its elements (hydrogen and oxygen) upon influence of the coordination effect. Secondary frequencies configurating the structure of the primary frequencies for obtaining adequately-combined frequencies by means of the respective electronic circuit composed of an isolator, a mixer, a directional coupler, a multiplier, configurators, digital frequency controllers, and linear amplifiers can be introduced with the assistance of adequate main and auxiliary treatment equipments into the primary frequencies produced by the semitonic oscillators. The vibration of water molecules and the breaking thereof into hydrogen and oxygen are obtained by suitably-coordinated frequencies. The gases are, thereafter, separated by special sorting guides while the produced hydrogen is conducted through the respective specific connection to the energy generation mechanism for being used as fuel.
__________________________
GR1007830 (B) (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?FT=D&date=20130213&DB=&locale=en_EP&CC=GR&NR=1007830B&KC=B&ND=4)

Based on the abstract and the block diagram from the patent application, it sounds like it is no
simple device to try to replicate. :)
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: truesearch on May 05, 2016, 10:35:50 PM

@Void:


Thanks for tracking that info down ~ I stumbled around on his website but google-translate can only do so much to help  :)


To Bad on the complicated design, I was HOPING for a D-I-Y project . . .


trueseach
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: Void on May 05, 2016, 11:54:54 PM
This same guy, Petros Zografos, shows some other non hydrogen from water generator devices on
his website and in some of his videos. I am not sure if any of them are supposed to be OU, but one
was some sort of generator/alternator which he demonstrated by rotating the generator rotor with a
drill, and another contraption is meant for poor people who live in third world countries who don't have any access
to electricity. This generator device uses a weight on a chain to slowly turn a bicycle wheel which in turns drives a
generator and produces electricity. You have to keep lifting the weight when it reaches the floor to keep the generator going,
but for people who don't have access to electricity, it could be used to maybe charge batteries.
It seems to me a solar panel based battery charger would be more practical however, except in areas where they have little
sunlight. :)

New patent of Petros Zografos allows inexpensive production of electricity in every home!
link to web page (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=el&tl=en&u=http://www.hellagen.gr/2016/02/blog-post_19.html&usg=ALkJrhiRemHAaU6Uu6IiGJTm6HkF4e96bg)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNNq9td5Rpk


Generator converts gravitational energy into electricity
link to web page (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=el&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hellagen.gr%2F2016%2F02%2Fblog-post_25.html&edit-text=)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtljPQrmU3c
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: pomodoro on May 06, 2016, 01:56:54 AM
... The gases are, thereafter, separated by special sorting guides while the produced hydrogen is conducted through the respective specific connection to the energy generation mechanism for being used as fuel. :)
The test tube prop on his video had no means of separating oxygen from hydrogen , yet we can tell from the flame that there was no stochiometric amount of oxygen in there. More BS from Mr. Painter.
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: Kator01 on May 06, 2016, 02:33:06 AM
Hi,

go to minute 9 and tell me the color of pure hydrogen burning:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAkx6-PufDA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAkx6-PufDA)

Picture attached is from a german chemitry website

http://www.seilnacht.com/versuche/experih2.html (http://www.seilnacht.com/versuche/experih2.html)

Regards

Kator01



Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: pomodoro on May 06, 2016, 03:10:31 AM
The video shows some yellow from the hydrocarbon flame being swept away. The photo is red because the glass is hot and turning red/yellow from the sodium and the heat.
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: hartiberlin on May 06, 2016, 03:43:16 AM
The test tube prop on his video had no means of separating oxygen from hydrogen , yet we can tell from the flame that there was no stochiometric amount of oxygen in there. More BS from Mr. Painter.
Probably the oxygen is used up in oxidizing the metal plate.
Compare this with the John Kanzius device from 2007. There was also not much oxygen coming out from the saltwater....
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: hartiberlin on May 06, 2016, 03:45:34 AM
Here is a new video I just made from the basic effect showing the Microwave pulse generator and a glas test tube with the metal
alloy in it with saltwater and the pretty big hydrogen flame coming out of it.

This will change everything !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE6k5eOJ4e8

Enjoy !

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 06, 2016, 04:01:16 AM
Stefan:

Nice job on the video.  Now that I have watched it more closely with your commentary, I have to say that this probably can not be alcohol burning in that tube as it goes out when he removes the tube from the funnel...and, it goes out once again when he unplugs the power supply.  If it were alcohol, it seems to me it would have continued to burn in both cases.

I really hope this is real as it would be a huge break through.  If we can learn what frequencies he is using, perhaps we might be able to make some replications?

Bill
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: pomodoro on May 06, 2016, 06:33:32 AM
Stefan:

Nice job on the video.  Now that I have watched it more closely with your commentary, I have to say that this probably can not be alcohol burning in that tube as it goes out when he removes the tube from the funnel...and, it goes out once again when he unplugs the power supply.  If it were alcohol, it seems to me it would have continued to burn in both cases.

I really hope this is real as it would be a huge break through.  If we can learn what frequencies he is using, perhaps we might be able to make some replications?

Bill
As I mention before, the methanol is dissolved in water. It only burns while being boiled out.
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: MagnaProp on May 06, 2016, 08:18:03 AM
This looks like great technology.

Hope burning the mercury content in our oceans water won't cause as much of a problem as current fossil fuel pollution. On the plus side, current global warming is causing a lot of methane to escape in Siberia's oceans where the undersea permafrost is melting. Might get an extra boost from that in the water. On a side note, I just learned that abu dhabi runs out of ground water in 50 years.
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: verpies on May 06, 2016, 11:13:25 AM
Probably the oxygen is used up in oxidizing the metal plate.
If that metal plate binds the oxygen, then it is not a catalyst but a reagent ...and the energy cost of its production needs to be factored into the OUT/IN energy ratio of the device.
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: pomodoro on May 06, 2016, 11:43:35 AM
I have just replicated the test tube experiment with methanol (1 carbon) and isopropanol (3 carbons). I simply heated a few mls of the alcohol in a test tube with a heat gun and lit the boiling vapor. Methanol buns clean with no yellow, isoprop is very yellow. I don't at the moment have ethanol (2 carbons) to try. When I stop the boiling by turning off the gun, the flame goes out. So this dude is probably using plain alcohol which is ethanol, but I can't say for sure until I try it.  If you want to do this, do put some pieces of smashed ceramic in the tube to stop dangerous bumping. Might put video up if requested.
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: hoptoad on May 06, 2016, 01:37:29 PM
I have just replicated the test tube experiment with methanol (1 carbon) and isopropanol (3 carbons). I simply heated a few mls of the alcohol in a test tube with a heat gun and lit the boiling vapor. Methanol buns clean with no yellow, isoprop is very yellow. I don't at the moment have ethanol (2 carbons) to try. When I stop the boiling by turning off the gun, the flame goes out. So this dude is probably using plain alcohol which is ethanol, but I can't say for sure until I try it.  If you want to do this, do put some pieces of smashed ceramic in the tube to stop dangerous bumping. Might put video up if requested.


Yes, as with all good scams, the trick is in the diversion, the earlier the diversion the more likely the success. By creating the mystery wrap, with the big unveiling, everyone would be focusing on the content of the electrical apparatus, and just assuming that the salt water is what he says it is, or most likely as would be intended, not think about the content of the water at all. All eyes and thoughts are on the mystery unfolded before their eyes, not the obvious bottle of water.
Simple fraud by deception and diversion.
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: ramset on May 06, 2016, 06:43:28 PM
Oh,   but this one is Soooo easy Peasy

In Greece all vehicles MUST comply with Emissions standards.

here is a Snip from their Regulatory statute.

snip

Vehicle Technical Inspection : Vehicles registered in Greece undergo regular technical inspections to
certify their good condition and their environmental performance, in relation to exhaust fumes. These
inspections are carried out in 58 public and 137 private Vehicle Technical Inspection Centres. The legal
status of private centres has recently been equated to that of public centres, so they may now carry
out all kinds of inspections for all types of vehicles. The public centres’ equipment is being modernized
so that they can better fulfill their mission. Greece has a high number of road fatalities and such
actions are considered pivotal in dealing with this problem. The inclusion of motor-bikes in the vehicle
inspection scheme is currently being contemplated and should take place in the near future.
Appropriate control lanes are already being installed in inspection centres.

end Snip

Hook the scooter Up to the Exhaust gas analyzer Machine.
Or better yet , the test tube device  to the "Sniffer" .

Carbon Would definitely be in their Sampling analysis and there will be a print out .

one way or another... End of story !!

* Note
I have another call scheduled for tomorrow ,I will ask for this report [perhaps suggest another Vid of this being done at the Gov't facility ]


 
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: Kator01 on May 06, 2016, 11:52:53 PM
Pomodoro,

what about this picture ( on the same website ) ? There seems to always be some orange colour there.

I think the clear almost unvisible flame only appears at high gas-velocity of a burner

But of course,  in the other video-demonstration he is using salt-water

regards

Kator01

Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: hartiberlin on May 07, 2016, 02:57:25 AM
I have just replicated the test tube experiment with methanol (1 carbon) and isopropanol (3 carbons). I simply heated a few mls of the alcohol in a test tube with a heat gun and lit the boiling vapor. Methanol buns clean with no yellow, isoprop is very yellow. I don't at the moment have ethanol (2 carbons) to try. When I stop the boiling by turning off the gun, the flame goes out. So this dude is probably using plain alcohol which is ethanol, but I can't say for sure until I try it.  If you want to do this, do put some pieces of smashed ceramic in the tube to stop dangerous bumping. Might put video up if requested.

Don´t you think the moderator and the experts in the TV there watching it, wouldn´t have smelled the alcohol ?

Have you seen the other video, where he picks up a glas of saltwater from the Greek Sea and puts it in his newer cold ion MHD Reactor and out comes about 230 Watts of electrical power ?
https://youtu.be/twYbr-ZSU0g?t=12s
You really need to watch ALL the videos of his channel:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCa1TJGxtBLX2yK9uL9rwZoA/videos
I did watch this the last 2 weeks and he has several new OU inventions, especially his strange cold ion MHD type generator or special
Fuel cell is amazing ! 240 Watts (12 Volts x 20 Amps) from just water by using this GigaHz water splitting technolgy and then combining the
hydrogen and oxigen in his special cold ion MHD generator or special selfmade fuelcell, but without any graphite electrodes...

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: hartiberlin on May 07, 2016, 03:01:18 AM
Here are still some more infos about it:
http://rexresearch.com/zogrifoselectrolysis/zogrifos.html (http://rexresearch.com/zogrifoselectrolysis/zogrifos.html)

Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: hartiberlin on May 07, 2016, 03:06:51 AM
Here at Minute 9 you can see, that he is using a selfmade 12 Volt DC to 220 Volts AC Inverter
behind his "cold ion MHD Generator" to convert the 12 Volts DC to 220 Volts AC and power AC Loads, like the
lamps, Mixer and radio.

https://youtu.be/RDJh2j-Skds?t=8m53s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDJh2j-Skds)
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: hartiberlin on May 07, 2016, 03:16:44 AM
Here he has in this video at about Minute 32 he shows even a more basic toy version:

https://youtu.be/RDJh2j-Skds?t=32m17s

He fills this box with water, which he tastes before and drinks a bit and then puts it into this small
box where he has probably 2 dissimilar metal electrodes, that probably generate a galvanic voltage.
This voltage is then used to power the 2 microwave circuit boards on each side of the box and these
then produce the hydrogen and oxygen that is fed to these 2 special fuelcells that he puts ontop the box and
they then generate more electrical power to power the 2 fan motors...
You see at minute 38:38 that these 2 circuits are pretty simple, just an RF transistor and a few right passive components...for the Ghz pulse generator...
https://youtu.be/RDJh2j-Skds?t=38m38s

So he needs very low power for these two Ghz RF PCB circuits but gets much more power out of his special fuel cell from the hydrogen and oxygen...

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: hartiberlin on May 07, 2016, 03:26:26 AM
Here at Minute 56:37 and following you still can see the small toy box much better:

https://youtu.be/Z_DmWEQf7_0?t=56m37s (https://youtu.be/Z_DmWEQf7_0?t=56m37s)

From. Minute 59:00 the cameraman shows it quite well..

Could be, that the Voltage for the 2 PCB Ghz circuit boards comes from a  galvanic reaction
from the saltwater and the 2 dissimular metals, cause he has in the compartments 2 different Metals,
which he has connected with his  Brassplate connectors.
the 2 dissimular metals probably power the two Ghz pulse generators PCBs and then the gas is converted on the upper  2 small special  Fuelcells,
which he puts in at the top......These special  Fuelcells then produce the current for the Fan-Motors from the produced Hydrogen and Oxygen...

Seems to be a very efficient electrolysis via these 2 pulse generator PCBs ...

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: hartiberlin on May 07, 2016, 03:36:04 AM
In the same video
https://youtu.be/Z_DmWEQf7_0?t=2h3m41s
at 2:03:41 you can see again his new reactor. that also works a special "cold ion MHD fuelcell"
 with 11.72 volts and 19.6 amps Output. ( Watch the digital Wattmeter)  So the output power is actually
230 Watt and then goes to the inverter, which operates 6 pieces 40 watt bulbs .

After that an electrical drillmachine is then connected to the inverter , which draws 205 Watt
and he drills a hole with it into a piece of wood , so there is already torque power behind it ...!

If he disconnects the drill, it can be seen that the inverter and the electrolysis draw only 15 watts at idle mode ...
at Minute 2:05:52
So you can generate with an input power of about 15 watts about 230 watts of output power ,
so that's a COP of about 15 !!!
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: hartiberlin on May 07, 2016, 03:52:42 AM
Here in the video here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_Ps1R03WqM#t=7059.430042

at Minute 1:38:40
He then disassembles all his Waterelectrolyse reactor ...
But it's not a PEM Fuelzelle what I had thought first, but some kind of
"cold ion microwave MHD converter" or so ...
The only question is how he then can still produce about 230 watts of electrical power with this arrangement ...??

So Zografos seems not only to have invented an extremely efficient electrolysis at high Ghz frequencies,
but also a substitute for a PEM Fuelcell that otherwise are always very expensive ...
I just looked it up for a 250 watt PEM Fuelcell you still pay a premium prize of about 500 US$ or more ...

He has somehow used such microwave waveguides, these ones for radar technology or microwave technology
... Hmm ... maybe he used then somehow a MHD power plant effect?
Look here:
http://mhd.pickel.cc/
Maybe he burns the hydrogen (and oxygen ??) gas and then leads these  ions into these steel containers of strong neodymium magnets,
where the ions are separated via the magnets onto pickup electrodes and
then this voltage of about 12 volts and about 20 amps are produced ...

This is really a great job, so it makes these expensive PEM fuel cells obsolete....

Really totally awesome this guy ...! ;)

Now it also gets clear why he also has these many copper tube coils around there...
serving probably to cool down the water vapor in the combustion of the hydrogen in this integrated MHD type generator
and put the condensed water again into the unit ....
So the copper coils are probably  be getting quite hot, so you can use the thing then also in
Winter for heating your home...
Really awesome!

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: hartiberlin on May 07, 2016, 03:54:07 AM
This is his carreer and what he has done so far and a few links to his patents_

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fel.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2F%CE%A0%CE%AD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%82_%CE%96%CF%89%CE%B3%CF%81%CE%AC%CF%86%CE%BF%CF%82
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: hartiberlin on May 07, 2016, 03:59:10 AM
Here a Greek language PDF File which describes his units. We really need someone who can
translate these articles into English language:

https://de.scribd.com/doc/296747279/%CE%A4%CE%BF-%CE%B7%CE%BB%CE%B5%CE%BA%CF%84%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BA%CF%8C-%CF%81%CE%B5%CF%8D%CE%BC%CE%B1-%CE%B1%CF%80%CF%8C-%CE%BD%CE%B5%CF%81%CF%8C-%CE%BA%CE%B1%CE%B9-%CF%85%CF%88%CE%B7%CE%BB%CE%AD%CF%82-%CF%83%CF%85%CF%87%CE%BD%CF%8C%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%84%CE%B5%CF%82#download

Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: hartiberlin on May 07, 2016, 04:01:06 AM
This is one of his patents with the whole text also in Greek language, also showing the circuit block diagram:

https://de.scribd.com/doc/296748334/Patent-Water-Energy-%CE%A4%CE%9F%CE%A5-%CE%A0%CE%95%CE%A4%CE%A1%CE%9F%CE%A5-%CE%96%CE%A9%CE%93%CE%A1%CE%91%CE%A6%CE%9F%CE%A5

Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: hartiberlin on May 07, 2016, 04:03:40 AM
Here is a document about his
"Elektrophasmatic Generator" ...
seems it also has
a COP>6 up to COP=7.1 :

https://de.scribd.com/doc/296859914/Electrophasmatics
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: hartiberlin on May 07, 2016, 04:04:32 AM
Here are all his PDF Files:

https://de.scribd.com/user/307216134/hellagenpz (https://de.scribd.com/user/307216134/hellagenpz)
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: hartiberlin on May 07, 2016, 04:05:52 AM
Here are higher Res pictures of his "flower vase" type microwave water splitter device:

http://www.hellagen.gr/2016/01/blog-post_58.html (http://www.hellagen.gr/2016/01/blog-post_58.html)

Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: hartiberlin on May 07, 2016, 04:11:25 AM
Here in this articles he gives away some secrets:

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hellagen.gr%2F2016%2F01%2Fblog-post_21.html

COLD COMBUSTION REACTOR FOR PRODUCTION OF ELECTRICITY '


This is an innovation that converts chemical energy directly into electrical energy through two processes:

A) Through an electrochemical reaction, and

B) Through a space irradiating system, wherein said electrochemical reaction is carried

This particular type of reaction involves the transfer of electrons from one material to another through an external circuit.

This process can be continued until the circuit is interrupted or the supply of external irradiation, or even eliminated if one of the reactants components.

The hardware component that is replaced is usually the rise.

As the reaction in the electrochemical device is not subject to any restrictions or prohibitive provision of the Carnot cycle.

As a result, the cold combustion reactor has the highest energy conversion efficiency.

It is also known that the temperature and pressure within the tube cavity, wherein the reaction proceeds, plays an important role in the conductivity of the liquid solution.

This conductivity of the slurry should be as large as possible, which means a very low ohmic resistance between the electrodes.

The above, ie low resistance and high conductivity, not achieved with strong acids, as this would be disastrous for the environment.

In the system throughout evolution, electromagnetic radiation, which receives the liquid solution and which irradiation should be done at a specific frequency, has a key role in the process, as shown by the appropriate measurements and the effect of the degree of device yield.

In the fluid environment of the cavity tube, wherein the reaction occurs, are suspended metal particles in powder form to be greater absorption of electromagnetic radiation.

Out of these particles in the fluid environment of the cavity tube there are dispersions of colloidal silver in specific proportions, allowing in this way the flow of larger electrical currents.

Obviously, thereby circumvented and the prohibitive provision of the theorem of Carnot cycle, because with this method of direct conversion can easily achieve higher yields by 96%, ie much higher yields than current yields of nuclear reactors electricity.

Use diodes IMPATT XR2F, which can yield larger, up to multiples force of about 2,5 Watt at frequencies TERRAHERZ.

These diodes are manufactured in our laboratory using the technique of photolithography and Probe Scanning Microscope organs.
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: hoptoad on May 07, 2016, 04:14:35 AM
Don´t you think the moderator and the experts in the TV there watching it, wouldn´t have smelled the alcohol ?

snip..
Methanol has such a low odor that it is generally described as odorless.
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: hartiberlin on May 07, 2016, 04:20:38 AM
Here are some pictures of his new reactor:
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: hartiberlin on May 07, 2016, 04:42:18 AM
More pics:
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: hartiberlin on May 07, 2016, 04:44:47 AM
Methanol has such a low odor that it is generally described as odorless.

Stop the bullshit, he is not using Methanol... Didn´t you see, when he filled in the seawater into his reactor ??
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: hoptoad on May 07, 2016, 05:12:28 AM
Stop the bullshit, he is not using Methanol... Didn´t you see, when he filled in the seawater into his reactor ??
Try filling any container with the same width open aperture as the test tube he is using with hydrogen and light it. It doesn't burn with a slowly wavering flame, it explodes. That's why hydrogen is always forced through a narrow aperture, and for safety will always have a backflow preventer in the supply line, even when it is pure hydrogen being delivered (no oxygen in the tube).

I've worked with hydrogen and it doesn't burn gently with a wavering flame through large open apertures. It will always 'pop' with an explosion. Only a small aperture jet with a substantial expulsion pressure can be used safely for burning hydrogen. If there is not enough expulsion pressure, back flash will occur, and an explosion will follow.

As for   " Didn´t you see, when he filled in the seawater into his reactor ?? ", the reactor container he pours it into is opaque, not transparent, so you have no idea what is already in the container and how much fluid the container can hold.
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: pomodoro on May 07, 2016, 05:48:53 AM
Pomodoro,

what about this picture ( on the same website ) ? There seems to always be some orange colour there.

I think the clear almost unvisible flame only appears at high gas-velocity of a burner

But of course,  in the other video-demonstration he is using salt-water

regards

Kator01

Hi Kator, have a good read of the attached file and see if it changes your opinion.
Cheers

Pomo  :D


I'm convinced that the test tube experiment is fake, 100% and in the future the invention  will be hailed as another marvel that was suppressed by greedy governments, when in reality, it was BS.  No more from me on this topic,  just be cautions people...
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: TheCell on May 07, 2016, 09:41:37 AM
Here is the abstract from his Greek patent application:
GR1007830 (B) ― 2013-02-13
"METHOD AND DEVICE FOR WATER ELECTROLYSIS AND PRODUCTION OF HYDROGEN TO BE USED AS COMBUSTIBLE UPON UTILISATION OF COMBINED FREQUENCIES"

Novelty: There are disclosed a method and a device destined for water electrolysis and production of hydrogen to be used as combustible by combination of high frequencies produced by semitonic oscillators; when mixed, reinforced and combined, said frequencies contrive to break water into its elements (hydrogen and oxygen) upon influence of the coordination effect. Secondary frequencies configurating the structure of the primary frequencies for obtaining adequately-combined frequencies by means of the respective electronic circuit composed of an isolator, a mixer, a directional coupler, a multiplier, configurators, digital frequency controllers, and linear amplifiers can be introduced with the assistance of adequate main and auxiliary treatment equipments into the primary frequencies produced by the semitonic oscillators. The vibration of water molecules and the breaking thereof into hydrogen and oxygen are obtained by suitably-coordinated frequencies. The gases are, thereafter, separated by special sorting guides while the produced hydrogen is conducted through the respective specific connection to the energy generation mechanism for being used as fuel.
__________________________
GR1007830 (B) (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?FT=D&date=20130213&DB=&locale=en_EP&CC=GR&NR=1007830B&KC=B&ND=4)

Based on the abstract and the block diagram from the patent application, it sounds like it is no
simple device to try to replicate. :)

I only want to remind you of the US Patent 7,378,063 B1 Walter Eugene Wyles :
Radio Frequency Hydrogen and Oxygen Generator Method
, where the heterodyning effect of two frequencies : 120 MHz and 720 MHz is used to split
water and generate HHO.
Peter Painter uses the same effect.
By heterodyning you can consider 720 MHz as the carrier frequency with two sidebands :
600 and 840 MHZ (AM-Modulation) Maybe other frequencies are also involved too, due to
non-linearities in the semiconductors.
I consider the metal plate as a catalyst. The heterodyning - electrolysis method is now
beeing used in at least 2 patents.


Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: pomodoro on May 07, 2016, 12:41:09 PM
Interesting patent, it nearly had me believing  ::) but I laughed when I read the part about easily separating hydrogen from oxygen because hydrogen floats above oxygen due to its density being 16 times lighter!! The inventor has obviously never built the device and thinks that oxygen and hydrogen are immiscible!! ;D  THWACK! The mega fatal blow that destroyed all credibility.
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: centraflow on May 07, 2016, 04:40:49 PM
@ Cell & Promodoro


One more of the few posts I make here.


1.   The patent is "not W.E.Wyles" even though legally it is (I think that he possibly now is not alive, he was in his 80's I believe when a friend of mine visited him some years ago in a condo in Florida). The drawings infact are a direct copy of an original which is 95% the same, (he is not the inventer). This was demonstrated back in 1989 in the UK, and there are still some witnesses alive today.


2.   Mr Wyles was a radar operator in the US Navy I was told, he knows nothing of the system of the patent, he was/ is just a holder of the patent.


3.   I will not go into anymore on this so don't ask, I will say though that it does work but a bitch to maintain stability, people in the art of RF design could probably find the right solution to the stability, a friend of mine did, he was the son of the inventer of SSB and lived in my town in the UK, that will give you a broad clue, he has now passed away, and I'm not to his standard of RF design.


4.   I have attempted to bring this alive again over the years, after a 10 year agreement, let me tell you agreements are worth nothing at this level. there are other means of creating cheap hydrogen which will be given free of charge, it has already started.


5.   I have on the net references to all this since 1999, the patent is 2008, I even gave a small lecture at a conference on this, Chet knows a little of the history.


6.   This creates wide band "TVI" as we say, and would have to be in a shielded reactor as was drawn in the patent.


@ The Cell


He did live near you, if you don't believe me, why not make a visit, though I think he is now dead or in his 90's!!!!! anyway there are other ways of skining the cat, Ghz or Thz are not needed.


Regards


Mike 8) [size=78%] [/size]
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: hartiberlin on May 07, 2016, 11:29:14 PM


I've worked with hydrogen and it doesn't burn gently with a wavering flame through large open apertures. It will always 'pop' with an explosion.

You are quite wrong.

Look at this how pure hydrogen burns and compare this with the Zografos flame.
https://youtu.be/OQ-oFO_TFOw?t=3m15s
The yellow flame comes from Natrium or Carbon ions impurities in the H2 gas or here in this video from
the burning plastic tube and its Carbon content....
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 08, 2016, 01:05:46 AM
You are quite wrong.

Look at this how pure hydrogen burns and compare this with the Zografos flame.
https://youtu.be/OQ-oFO_TFOw?t=3m15s (https://youtu.be/OQ-oFO_TFOw?t=3m15s)
The yellow flame comes from Natrium or Carbon ions impurities in the H2 gas or here in this video from
the burning plastic tube and its Carbon content....


I agree and, I always burn methanol in my alcohol cooking stoves and it burns with a nice blue flame so, there is no way that is methanol.


Those folks in that video are idiots I think.  If any of that burning/melting plastic fell onto that bag, the whole bag would have went up probably at least burning off their hair and maybe worse.


Bill
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: Johan_1955 on May 08, 2016, 11:36:52 AM
Stop the bullshit, he is not using Methanol... Didn´t you see, when he filled in the seawater into his reactor??

This below is the front-page of this site, this OU-site we can use, Thanks 2 Stefan!

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Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: ARMCORTEX on May 08, 2016, 08:04:59 PM
I see flex waveguide, some flanges, some aluminium components ive seen before.

Company I work for makes stuff like that, what sucks is that they have specific dimensions for a given frequency range and are specially machined for that frequency

Not replicable, he would have to give out more info.

He is probably an RF designer, these guys use simulation software like RF studio, he probably roughed out his idea using software then bought exactly the components he deemed necessary.

Just that bend right there, plays a filtering role.



Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: Kator01 on May 09, 2016, 12:26:39 AM
Hey pomodoro,

thanks for this paper ! Havn´t had the time to read it.

Now lets assume that he is able to split water by the combination of a metal ( cerium ? ) with rf-frequencies than this rf-oscillator ( horn-antenna ) must use the standard WLAN-frequencies, but he can not expect the regulatory agency for electromagnetic
waves to approve his device especially if he uses an impuls-mode which implies harmonics up to the 50 th at least which interfere
( broad-band )with other communication-bands. So it is my guess that the world will no see this technique. anyway.
So this technique is dead from the start, IMHO

Regards

Kator01
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 09, 2016, 12:57:52 AM
Hey pomodoro,

thanks for this paper ! Havn´t had the time to read it.

Now lets assume that he is able to split water by the combination of a metal ( cerium ? ) with rf-frequencies than this rf-oscillator ( horn-antenna ) must use the standard WLAN-frequencies, but he can not expect the regulatory agency for electromagnetic
waves to approve his device especially if he uses an impuls-mode which implies harmonics up to the 50 th at least which interfere
( broad-band )with other communication-bands. So it is my guess that the world will no see this technique. anyway.
So this technique is dead from the start, IMHO

Regards

Kator01

The entire unit could be shielded in a Faraday cage type of container.

Bill
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: ARMCORTEX on May 09, 2016, 06:01:41 AM
I think its worth to become ''life-committed'' tho, even tho it looks complicated, these RF arrangements are just no fun, difficult, expensive to measure.

But, an RF engineer does make money, useful thing to study.



Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: hartiberlin on May 09, 2016, 12:36:15 PM
Here are some News from a greek user that commented on my last video:

Sotiris Papadelos1 day ago
1) he was hiding with white tape the electronic board with the 3 phase radio wave emitters
2 ) his invention is using a material that act as a torch, Ag in this case, so he can break Apart the molecule at low frequencies.
No need to reach the 6-7 pico hertz, the natural hydrolysis frequency that needs huge amount of energy.         

overunitydotcom1 day ago+Sotiris Papadelos
So you say the metal plate is just a silver plate ? I have read in one article that he is using colloidal silver somewhere in his new reactor...
Hmm, can you confirm that in this in vitro glas test tube he used a silver plate as the virtual electrode ? Looked more like a brass metal plate... hmm...       
   
Sotirios Papadel1 day ago+overunitydotcom colloidal silver is used at water tanks for permanent hydrolysis.
Silver plate is used here to explain and present the phenomenon of amplifying the resonance through this plate, acting as an electromagnetic torch.
It does not work as virtual electrode.

overunitydotcom11 hours ago+Sotirios Papadel
I see, but how does he do it in his new reactor, where he pulls seawater directly from the Greek shoreline and puts it into his reactor..
Where does he have there colloidal silver ? Did he add this before or does the RF frequency mix generate from the silver plate some colloidale silver particles to be released from the metal and are surrounding the silver plate as a colloidal fluid then ?

overunitydotcom11 hours ago+Sotiris Papadelos
Are also the 3 phase radio wave emitters powered by the 7.5 Volts and 50 mA, so only by 350 MilliWatts of input power ? Or were they powered by Li-Ion batteries below the tape somehow ?

Sotiris Papadelos2 hours ago+overunitydotcom
He has placed colloidal silver in a pill form, and place it within the sea water tank. When the colloidal silver is decomposed, the amplifying effect stops,  and silver changes to precipitation form. It then needs electrophoresis to come over to its original properties.

Sotiris Papadelos2 hours ago +overunitydotcom
The emitters must always run at 350MilliWatts. He can either have an external source for that or, Through redox with special coating can create this small amount of power, or in later stage video, Mr Zografos has created a polymer membrane that when comes to Hydroxy (HHO) contact, divertes directly the HHO gas to electricity and then powers the emitters and the external loads. That is the 2nd scientific Breakthrough of the invention. http://www.hellagen.gr/ (http://www.hellagen.gr/)
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: pomodoro on May 09, 2016, 02:48:41 PM
We should not move into more difficult to scrutinize territory. The test tube needs to be answered first and foremost as this is clearly a new discovery or a con. Where is the oxygen gone ?  And secondly, if the water split is catalyzed as claimed, why is the test tube not freezing? You see, even if catalyzed by silver platinum or a mystical stone, when the H-O bond is vibrated enough to split, energy will be ' sucked' from surroundings and the test tube cooled. Looking at the large amount of hydrogen boiling out , and only mW  from RF,  the rest will come from surroundings, similar in a way to  when  liquified gases expand. And it will be a massive amount of cooling, enough to see condensation on the outside of the test tube.
Can your contact get answers Chet?
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: ramset on May 09, 2016, 03:15:33 PM
Yes
I have asked the Inventor and his representative {Lawyer] to address certain issues , mostly for a simple gas spectrometer test
to start with . [ which as mentioned prior,  is available quite easily in Greece's Auto emission's testing infrastructure .

It is not clear at this point where this will ultimately Go ? His Lawyer mentioned the next Month would be a time for decision making ?

Please keep all input here respectful , I did not get the feeling that the Inventor or his representative will shy away from Further testing and validation !



respectfully
Chet



 



Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: hartiberlin on May 09, 2016, 11:53:17 PM
Sotiris Papadelos:
It is completely different concept. Electrolysis is using direct current  with large currents DC,
Mr Zografos in this case is using radio waves, at
limited amount of energy. A correct term is palmolisis.


overunitydotcom:
Can you please explain, what palmolisis means ? Where does he use the colloidal silver ?
Is that generated from the Silver plate electrode on the fly while the microwave is bombarding the metal alloy plate ( Silver plate ? )
or does he need to put colloidal silver water there also in there into the test tube ?


Sotirios Papadel:
palmos in Greek means pulse. Since Mr Zografos tech is using series of radio waves to pulse the water molecule by vibrating and finally break it apart, the correct term should be palmolisis. Colloidal silver is used for a permanent phenomenon as seen in the
bike in a next video.
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: markdansie on May 11, 2016, 04:27:23 PM
Yes
I have asked the Inventor and his representative {Lawyer] to address certain issues , mostly for a simple gas spectrometer test
to start with . [ which as mentioned prior,  is available quite easily in Greece's Auto emission's testing infrastructure .

It is not clear at this point where this will ultimately Go ? His Lawyer mentioned the next Month would be a time for decision making ?

Please keep all input here respectful , I did not get the feeling that the Inventor or his representative will shy away from Further testing and validation !



respectfully
Chet


I always find the most simple way to eliminate any doubt in the past is to do an emissions test on the scooter. Like the water powered bike on 60 minutes in NZ it was busted when they found hydrocarbons in the exhaust. I used the same method many times myself.
A gas spectrometer test would alos be very nice[/size]
Kind Regards
Mark
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: Turbo on May 11, 2016, 05:18:03 PM
The flame is not hydrogen. The yellow is from carbon. Most likely methanol, which only has a small amount of carbon and burns just like that.  Metal is heated inductively and boils methanol at 65C leaving behing the water it was mixed with. It was mixed so it wouldn't burn. You can tell its boiling because the bubbles are huge. Electrolysis and gas evolution on metals give very fine bubbles - always.


This is correct observation
It takes from 40:15 to 41:21 to 'cook' the liquid.
If this was true 'palmolisis' it should start immediately,
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: massive on May 11, 2016, 09:47:16 PM
the 60 mins , Steve Ryans motor bike was not "busted" by a CO2 emission test

ALL vehicles that use oil in the engine will show CO2 in an emission test no matter what fuel is used
it doesnt matter if its 30/40 or sun flower oil .  Oil gets past the rings in ALL motors .
No hydrogen powered piston motor would pass a test with out showing CO2

No Hydrogen invention can make it to the market in an oil based economy OR an electric vehicle economy
 
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: Turbo on May 11, 2016, 10:08:53 PM
burn like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8xYUDiSGDk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8xYUDiSGDk)
Color Natrium
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: markdansie on May 12, 2016, 01:35:22 AM
the 60 mins , Steve Ryans motor bike was not "busted" by a CO2 emission test

ALL vehicles that use oil in the engine will show CO2 in an emission test no matter what fuel is used
it doesnt matter if its 30/40 or sun flower oil .  Oil gets past the rings in ALL motors .
No hydrogen powered piston motor would pass a test with out showing CO2

No Hydrogen invention can make it to the market in an oil based economy OR an electric vehicle economy
Your right it was not the CO2 it was the hydrocarbons and yes an allowence is made for the combustion of the lubricating oils.
I have worked with over 6 emmissions testing
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: pomodoro on May 12, 2016, 06:18:29 AM
burn like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8xYUDiSGDk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8xYUDiSGDk)
Color Natrium
Kanzius used the principle of inductively coupled plasma.  Look up ICP-OES or ICP-AES.
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: memoryman on May 13, 2016, 02:19:51 AM
@massive: is that true if only synthetics lubricant are used?
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: hoptoad on May 13, 2016, 04:14:55 AM
You are quite wrong.

Look at this how pure hydrogen burns and compare this with the Zografos flame.
https://youtu.be/OQ-oFO_TFOw?t=3m15s (https://youtu.be/OQ-oFO_TFOw?t=3m15s)
The yellow flame comes from Natrium or Carbon ions impurities in the H2 gas or here in this video from
the burning plastic tube and its Carbon content....


If that were pure hydrogen, I wouldn't be within 50 feet of them. The flame alone tells you it is not pure hydrogen.
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: hoptoad on May 13, 2016, 04:17:11 AM

This is correct observation
It takes from 40:15 to 41:21 to 'cook' the liquid.
If this was true 'palmolisis' it should start immediately,


Also note that while the extremity of the flame is yellowish, the body of the flame is blue in the picture you posted.
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: pomodoro on May 13, 2016, 07:50:43 AM
Hre is a quick test. Looks like he might be using ethanol.
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: massive on May 13, 2016, 08:01:32 AM

to compare synthetic oil to conventional motor oil , would need testing under combustion conditions using a carbon-LESS fuel as a reference point , that rules out methane , methanol , ethane , ethanol .....

I would be suspect of any Hydrogen test that did not show CO2 levels

the test on Steve Ryans motorcycle showed CO = 2% , CO2 = 11%  .   The 60mins doco had the test within 45 mins previous to Steve being confronted by Dr Robert Rayne , fuel emissions expert .  The testers said it would be normal to have levels of carbon becase of engine oil .  Dr Raynes professional response = "Uummm"

Ive tried to find Dr Rayne today , Ive seen his articles in new car mags before
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: hoptoad on May 13, 2016, 09:28:14 AM
Hre is a quick test. Looks like he might be using ethanol.
Yes, the ethanol looks likely.
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: Turbo on May 13, 2016, 05:53:41 PM
of course there is a vast difference between the measurement from burned engine oil and the engine running on fossil fuel.
the amount of oil that slips through the oil scrape rings is so tiny that it still will be easily determined whether the engine is running on oil or not.
 
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: hartiberlin on June 05, 2016, 08:28:01 PM
Yes, the ethanol looks likely.

Well it could also be, that he has saltwater in there with the colloidal silver solution and then the flame would also burn with a yellow
tint.....
As he could not light up the test tube outside his RF coils, this can not bet Ethanol..


By the way, the Greek comments sometimes reveal lots of interesting details, which I just found out via translating via Google Translator:
These comments were slightly edited by me to better understand them... This came from:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQDgcZw75ng (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQDgcZw75ng)

The life of this metal material he is using is about 350 to 400 hours of electric power generation.

The Metal must be replaced at intervals of 25 to 30 days depending on the burning, logically no question of quantity of water,
so water of course must be more often refilled..., but the Metal  is the consumable.

A House needs about 5 kilowatts of power to be electrified.

The device we have seen is a one kilowatt capacity needs a METAL quantity which costs 7 Euro for one kilowatt per about 30 days on average,
so let's do the math..
Well :
5KW x 7  Euros = 35 Euros, ie 35 Euros per month to supply your 5 KW home ! Without the cost  and burden of recycling the metal residues...
That is pretty cheap !
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: memoryman on June 05, 2016, 09:22:13 PM
How much energy does it take to get the sacrificial metal to be useful? Is it waste aluminum? Would it be better to recycle the metal instead of using it in this way?
hariberlin, your math is false. The 'average' home does not consume 5kW continuously (which would be 120 kWh/day). Excluding heating and non-electrical: cooking, water heating and cloth drying, it is more likely 20 kWh/day.
When I lived in a 180 m^2 home (three levels, including basement ~450 m^2) in Southern Ontario, we used ~2 liters of oil for heating/day; that is ~30 kWh/day for heating. All our remaining energy came from grid electricity: another 5 kWh/day. So, our maximum energy use was ~35 kWh/day for ALL energy.
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: lancaIV on June 06, 2016, 10:50:39 AM
How much energy does it take to get the sacrificial metal to be useful? Is it waste aluminum? Would it be better to recycle the metal instead of using it in this way?
hariberlin, your math is false. The 'average' home does not consume 5kW continuously (which would be 120 kWh/day). Excluding heating and non-electrical: cooking, water heating and cloth drying, it is more likely 20 kWh/day.
When I lived in a 180 m^2 home (three levels, including basement ~450 m^2) in Southern Ontario, we used ~2 liters of oil for heating/day; that is ~30 kWh/day for heating. All our remaining energy came from grid electricity: another 5 kWh/day. So, our maximum energy use was ~35 kWh/day for ALL energy.


https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oeko-energie.de%2Fprodukte%2Fsolarstrom-photovoltaik%2Fsparsame-dc-verbraucher%2Findex.php&edit-text= (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.oeko-energie.de%2Fprodukte%2Fsolarstrom-photovoltaik%2Fsparsame-dc-verbraucher%2Findex.php&edit-text=)

                                                                                            Electricity consume
                                                "Standart behaviour"                  versus                                  "Intelligent behaviour" !
Day Total:                                       18,650 Wh / d                                                                           3,020 Wh / d
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: ARMCORTEX on June 07, 2016, 11:24:34 AM
Unfortunately, the fact is that all I see out there is scams, this technology is one of the only working teachnologies wich immediatly solves problems.

Enormous effort must be put into it, nothing is too hard.
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: pomodoro on October 20, 2016, 02:28:08 PM
Its been a while since anything has been posted on this invention, anyone got any updates?
As I mentioned before I believe its a scam, as the explanation given by Peter Painter makes no scientific sense. Most of these smart guys throw in some science but the science ultimately dos not add up. Here we have bad chemistry with hydrogen bening produced and oxygen not being liberated nor forming oxides or hydroxide which is completely impossible as it would cause masssive electrical non neutrality in the water, then we have more hydrogen coming out than is possible with the power being consumed. |Apparently the metal catalyses the reaction.  Umm, sorry Peter Painter but catalysts do not lower the total energy required , only the activation energy required, big mistake and finally, the 'hydrogen' burns nice and slow like an alcohol, with a yellow tip.

What we need to see is how much investment the company has obtained from investors, do any people qualified in law or commerce know how to obtain this information? Surely there is a legal way of obtaining information on these inventors who ultimately deliver nothing to neither the investors ofr to the world.
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: hartiberlin on November 05, 2016, 06:29:58 PM
New Video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mmEt3DjRAiw

Read the video info box description there..!
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: hartiberlin on November 07, 2016, 12:44:36 AM
Petros Zografos has a new Free Energy Device Prototype Generator.
New Video here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-J95YroiRrk

Regards, Stefan.
P.S. Read the description in the video info box there.
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: verpies on November 07, 2016, 11:39:09 PM
What is that consumable alloy that his generator uses ?
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: hartiberlin on November 08, 2016, 02:26:08 AM
It is said colloidal silver at least in the Bike Motor fuel generation where he shows the burning flame.
In the home power generator, it could be just the electrodes in the cold MHD type generator be used up,
but who knows, maybe these electrodes are inert, so they are not used up ??
We really need more infos about this cold MHD Type fuelcell generator.

Somebody said, the metal, which is used up costs 3 cents/KWh, so this would be still cheap...
I am already paying 27 cents/KWh over here in Germany at my flat...

Here is a new video of an Eye witness report from an German Engineer I just received.
I will call him tommorow and try to ask him the right questions...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahCaBtFh6YU

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: pomodoro on November 08, 2016, 05:05:55 AM
Thanks for keeping us updated Stefan.

Who exactly is the engineer? 
Warning bells sounded when Tesla was mentioned.
I have not changed my opinion about the device. Lets see how it develops in the next few years...
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: kEhYo77 on November 08, 2016, 06:03:02 PM
Wow, that is great news!

I already make colloidal silver at home for health but to use it in the engine never crossed my mind!
Now thinking about it, individual particles made of the most conductive metal become EM eddy current freewheels so to speak.
When the spark fires the EM shock wave travels through the cylinder and silver freewheels start to be excited caching
that EM discharge 'wind'. God knows what happens then, is the silver being oxidized in the burning process and the
freewheels become superconductive to enhance the reaction even further?... ;)
I wonder if he is running a plasma ignition spark!

I was thinking about this guy was he making colloidal silver in his charging contraption too?
A Motorcycle that runs on PURE Water (http://youtu.be/POJQKg9CRJc?t=9m8s)

When I build my motorized bicycle I'll definitely try that.
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: lancaIV on November 08, 2016, 09:54:04 PM
http://free-energy.ws/samuel-freedman/ (http://free-energy.ws/samuel-freedman/)
http://free-energy.ws/images/samuel-freedman2.jpg (http://free-energy.ws/images/samuel-freedman2.jpg)

http://rexresearch.com/griffin/griffin.htm

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#78: 5KW x 7  Euros = 35 Euros, ie 35 Euros per month to supply your 5 KW home ! Without the cost  and burden of recycling the metal residues...


#86: Somebody said, the metal, which is used up costs 3 cents/KWh, so this would be still cheap...I am already paying 27 cents/KWh over here in Germany at my flat...


35 Euros = 3500 Euro-Cents / (30,5 days per month x 5 KW) ~ 23 Euro-Cents/KWh + capital amortization of the hydrogen generator !


                                  35 Euros/silver consume per year ?


#78 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQDgcZw75ng (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQDgcZw75ng) comment :
 This metal, producing energy after being wetted and come out to the atmosphere so as to react with oxygen in the air. Of course when dry stops producing and wants wetting again. The life of this material is about 350 to 400 hours of electric power, the volume is proportional to the voltage you want to get. Now I know for a patent, because it has been used during the Second! World War as bomb power feeder. It is not necessary to soak with water, you can have other liquid even defecation on it, the result will be the same.
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: Acca on December 09, 2016, 12:51:46 PM
Thanks for the most "important" discovery S.H. as this may be the real deal RF and microwave tech are very mature industry and just that fact may get this method off the ground especially in Greece that is really in the major economic self destruction...

I am in RF design in microwaves since the 1980's and will be doing my best effort on this subject too.. I am Polish and have a stake in Europe as I hate diesel smoke and some 40 percent of cars in Europe belch out this smog.. Smog in Paris very bad it was this week...

Acca..

ps. posted some pics of the great Greek engineer..
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: Kator01 on December 09, 2016, 06:56:30 PM
Acca,

good to know your experience in this electronic field. Electronics is one part another is the catalytic material he is using.
Without it - as I have understood - it does not work

Some time ago I noticed this post #1 from sm0ky2 (http://overunity.com/profile/sm0ky2.8767/) here:

http://overunity.com/16497/3x-hydrogen-from-water-efficiency/msg478635/#msg478635 (http://overunity.com/16497/3x-hydrogen-from-water-efficiency/msg478635/#msg478635)

Links unfortunately are content-restricted and/or do not exist anymore. Strange...??

Mike
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: Acca on December 09, 2016, 11:01:20 PM
Mike here are some links for you are to your question .. these are very good pdf's

Enjoy.. Al aka Acca..

 Here are the documents on this spitting of water from Michael Nunnerley (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAfYQYHLsC58efGbHBlHngg)
 
And YouTube clip on stainless 316 below ..
 
Uploaded on Feb 20, 2016This is one of the original tests of SMD, dating back from when I first started on creating hydrogen from water at a very cheap price.
 The left electrode is a hydrogen only electrode, the middle electrode which changes colour (oxide), is the changeover electrode. The right electrode is the positive which produces little gas. All electrodes here are 316 stainless steel, the changeover electrode is being broken down at a very fast rate.
 
 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Pxm4eVDc2s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Pxm4eVDc2s)
 
 
 
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0By3_AfqtEMFsYUI2MXB0Rk9fYmM/view (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0By3_AfqtEMFsYUI2MXB0Rk9fYmM/view)
 
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0By3_AfqtEMFsNUhyT09MTGMxVXc/view (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0By3_AfqtEMFsNUhyT09MTGMxVXc/view)
 
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0By3_AfqtEMFseHhiR0JxSmhxaTg/view (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0By3_AfqtEMFseHhiR0JxSmhxaTg/view)
 
 
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: pomodoro on December 10, 2016, 03:45:16 AM
Acca,

good to know your experience in this electronic field. Electronics is one part another is the catalytic material he is using.
Without it - as I have understood - it does not work

Some time ago I noticed this post #1 from sm0ky2 (http://overunity.com/profile/sm0ky2.8767/) here:

http://overunity.com/16497/3x-hydrogen-from-water-efficiency/msg478635/#msg478635 (http://overunity.com/16497/3x-hydrogen-from-water-efficiency/msg478635/#msg478635)

Links unfortunately are content-restricted and/or do not exist anymore. Strange...??

Mike


Those links had nothing related to the topic. It was a strange post.
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: Acca on December 14, 2016, 07:53:44 PM
 Here is  (Πέτρο Ζωγράφο) Greek  (Pétro  Zográfo) , or  Peter Painter in English..
His web posts ..and the written  post below..
 
http://www.hellagen.gr/ (http://www.hellagen.gr/)
 
 
 
 
"COLD COMBUSTION REACTOR FOR PRODUCTION OF ELECTRICITY “

 This is an innovation that converts chemical energy directly into electrical energy through two processes:
A) Through an electrochemical reaction, and
 
B) Through a space irradiating system, wherein said electrochemical reaction is carried
 
This particular type of reaction involves the transfer of electrons from one material to another through an external circuit.
 
This process can be continued until the circuit is interrupted or the supply of external irradiation, or even eliminated if one of the reactants components.
 
The hardware component that is replaced is usually the rise.
 
As the reaction in the electrochemical device is not subject to any restrictions or prohibitive provision of the Carnot cycle.
 
As a result, the cold combustion reactor has the highest energy conversion efficiency.
 
It is also known that the temperature and pressure within the tube cavity, wherein the reaction proceeds, plays an important role in the conductivity of the liquid solution.
 
This conductivity of the slurry should be as large as possible, which means a very low ohmic resistance between the electrodes.
 
The above, ie low resistance and high conductivity, not achieved with strong acids, as this would be disastrous for the environment.
 
In the system throughout evolution, electromagnetic radiation, which receives the liquid solution and which irradiation should be done at a specific frequency, has a key role in the process, as shown by the appropriate measurements and the effect of the degree of device yield.
 
In the fluid environment of the cavity tube, wherein the reaction occurs, are suspended metal particles in powder form to be greater absorption of electromagnetic radiation.
 
Out of these particles in the fluid environment of the cavity tube there are dispersions of colloidal silver in specific proportions, allowing in this way the flow of larger electrical currents.
 
Obviously, thereby circumvented and the prohibitive provision of the theorem of Carnot cycle, because with this method of direct conversion can easily achieve higher yields by 96%, ie much higher yields than current yields of nuclear reactors electricity.
 
 Use diodes IMPATT XR2F, which can yield larger, up to multiples force of about 2,5 Watt at frequencies TERRAHERZ.

Acca..

I think he is here to save the World from pollution and More....!!!
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Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: smoky on December 21, 2016, 11:27:05 AM
Hi guys, this is mainly speculation on my part but it might help understand the device a little.
I think he is probably using a final centre frequency of 1420 GHz the resonance frequency required to reverse the spin of the Hydrogen electron.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_maser


I have some Lab experience in assembling & making measurements in waveguide setups.
To me the size of the rectangular flexible waveguide looks like it is either P Band (12.4 to 18 Ghz) or more likely Ku Band (18 to 26.5 Ghz).
The silver foil is to stop microwave leakage at the bolted joints.


Looking at block diagram:
The source frequency above is probably from an over the counter YIG oscillator, it is amplified and modulated using a non linear mixer (biased ferrite) which outputs the upper and lower sidebands and the centre carrier frequency from the YIG.
 
The mixer is an AM mixer not the more common FM balanced mixer, we can tell this because there is a linear amplifier further down the block diagram chain.
If it were FM mixing a more efficient (eg. class C) amplifier could be used but he is trying to retain all the voltage ratios of the frequency components, so a linear amplifier (which amplifies all frequencies equally with little distortion of the original amplitude levels) is used.


Not sure why there's 2 separate PLL's (phase lock loops) but suspect it is to modulate the carrier frequency with a slow beat note between the sum and difference frequency of the 2 PLL's.
The Hydrogen nucleus is quite massive compared to it's electron so maybe nucleas can respond to the slow beat note whilst the electron responds to centre frequency?
 
If the YIG is at about 26.5 GHz plus very low (audio?) freq modulation from PLL's then when it goes thru the 26 times multiplication stage it would be about 689 Ghz.
After the linear amp the special filter likely picks off the second harmonic at 1378 GHz.


Not sure about all that copper pipe in the videos but will say that it is easy to go from rectangular waveguide to circular pipe style waveguide.
This is frequently done in feed to radar dishes which have physically move or track an object ...the circular pipe style allows a freely rotating feed joint.
Just needs a matching step to go from transverse electric TE mode to circular  and back again.


Just MHO for what it's worth ..Smoky
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: picowatt on December 21, 2016, 08:04:42 PM
Hi guys, this is mainly speculation on my part but it might help understand the device a little.
I think he is probably using a final centre frequency of 1420 GHz the resonance frequency required to reverse the spin of the Hydrogen electron.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_maser



The Wiki has typos that need to be corrected.

The correct frequency is 1.420 GHz (1420 MHz) not 1420 GHz or 1,420 GHz

In the Wiki, the commas in 1,420 GHz should have been periods (decimal points).

PW 
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: smoky on December 21, 2016, 09:05:00 PM
Thanks for your reply Pico,


On the two PLL's in the block diagram, this is most likely done to get down to zero Hertz offset from the carrier.
As it is difficult to get a single oscillator with a freq. range down to zero Hertz... by beating the two phase locked oscillators together in the mixer they can go down to zero Hertz offset with stability.


Also near the output block they have shown a directional coupler which would never be used for this purpose. 
A normal directional coupler relies on phase difference to achieve directivity so phase difference between output ports is usually not constant.
 
It is most likely an H plane or E plane Tee device, depending if they want the E fields or the H filed to be in phase at -3dB.


As microwave beam focus becomes far more intense with frequency ...sort of like comparing a broadcast AM radio Station HF signal with a TV VHF signal, the radiation dispersion pattern is quite different.
So the little piece of metal inside the glass tube may be used as a micro wave reflector dispersing the radiation about inside the beaker.[/size]


 
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: Acca on December 22, 2016, 06:15:46 PM
The spectrum device that Petros Z. has shown in one of the first clips is that the band width is between 50 and 325 Ghz on the display and you can see that the radar type of very sharp impulses are in the center of the display are in fact at the center display 135 Ghz and there are at least 12 impulses shown that represent a band of 100 to 145 Ghz.
Now that is what is shown.. I worked in radar and it looks like pulses that represent a pulse train in a standard RF generator (radar).. Also seen the test equipment that Petros has looks like he came out of GSM telephone background as in another video, looks impressive , however every thing is old and the GSM equipment now on Ebay is $500 each he has 4 of them ..


The only expensive test equipment is, is that spectrum 325 Ghz as it is $5000.  used on Ebay..


Acca. 


my observations only...
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: smoky on December 22, 2016, 09:39:48 PM
Hi Acca,
Yes you and Pico might well be right there, like you I am just trying to work logically from what is shown and can easily wrong on my part.
 
I couldn't make out those frequency readings on the clip I saw.
Will see if I can find that clip.


Am quite familiar with the Marconi 2955 Radio Com Test set shown  ..yes only good to 1GHz.


Lets say it was 325 Ghz and we work backwards through the block diagram.
Paying special attention to the possible frequency change blocks.


The special filter could be just a bandpass filter but most likely picking off second harmonic.
Because previous multiplication block of 26 times puts nearest mixer spurious unwanted product at 26 times the carrier frequency away.


Waveguides in common TE10 mode usually only cover less than an octave (eg 12.4GHz to 18GHz) before another size of guide is chosen.


So we take 325GHz and halve it = 162.5GHz, then divide by 26 times = 3.125GHz.
This should be the approximate maximum input frequency to the mixer stage.


A waveguide to handle 3GHz frequency in TE10 mode is going to be G band or E band as the cutoff wavelength in the guide is about 50mm or 2 inches wide.
Typically the external size waveguide plumbing would have to quite large to handle it, easily visible in those clips.


No sorry I myself have to stick with the approx Terra Hertz scenario just from the size of the plumbing used.


Unless all that small waveguide is put there just to decieve, these days with scams nothing surprises me.


Smoky







Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: Acca on January 13, 2017, 09:25:45 AM
So looks looks like PBS here in the USA did a small interview with the man "PETROS ZOGRAFOS"

and then REMOVED IT !!!!


 Here is an horse shit explanation by PBS…why they removed the video !!!
 
 
Editor’s note: There have been questions raised concerning our report that aired on Dec. 27, 2016 about a Greek inventor who is developing a device that purports to turn water into power without requiring additional energy. Despite a team of Greek scientists praising the research, and the inclusion of an independent scientist dubious of the work, the NewsHour acknowledges that our reporting of this segment should have been more skeptical. Our reporting and research should always ask more questions and seek greater insight. We are examining each step in our process, and we apologize to our audience for the lapses in this report. The PBS NewsHour is dedicated to presenting clear and thorough reporting on developments in science and technology, and we will be following up with more reporting on the important subject of clean energy as soon as possible.
 
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/regarding-story-air-tonight-greek-invention/ (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/regarding-story-air-tonight-greek-invention/)
 
Here is the BANNED VIDEO OF PETROS GRAFOS below…
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQaZCLMiVPk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQaZCLMiVPk)
 
 
 
and this little clip that was also removed by DR. Stiffler who did the same thing.. BURN WATER with miliwatts of power by the SEC WB oscillator and that was in  2008..WOW.. always save these little gems
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTgY3GbGRs0&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTgY3GbGRs0&feature=youtu.be)
 
Grafos tech in GREEK TV below ..
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaPonbPUQ_I&t=29m32s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaPonbPUQ_I&t=29m32s)
 
 
HERE IS THE ORIGINAL YT OF PBS..
REMOVED PETROS ZOGRAFOS … SO LONG SAY GOOD .. PSB IS WAS THREATENED
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-E0AtSsCEs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-E0AtSsCEs)
 
 
Acca..
 
Ps
 always remember “they” are watching YOU TOO>>> Free energy will NOT BE MADE PUBLIC !!![/font]
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: Acca on January 13, 2017, 10:19:00 AM
Here is a translation of one clip to english..sub..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOLhzbZsAYA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOLhzbZsAYA)

here is the PBS in HD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KdcBoo5f0Q


Acca..
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: ramset on January 13, 2017, 02:43:21 PM
Acca
The slow lazy burn and flame color seems odd for A Hydrogen Burn

I am not familiar with his process but I did speak with him briefly last year ,[when I heard he was driving his Scooter around on the technology]  I asked Him if he could go to one of the hundreds of Auto Emission centers in Greece and just hook the machine up to His scooter .
and just publish the report ?

his response was  "talk to my Lawyer"
in fairness, I always preface my greeting with My Open source associations !

again I make no claim either way ?

RE
""never be allowed !!""

surely you jest...
its not 1975 and suppression of an open sourced tech that would clean the air and water and save sooo many lives [hunger, disease etc]

it would be like attempting to suppress Air from the population,.... Yes I agree Business deals [patents and such]
would be playing in Their sand box ..

Open source is a whole different story !

on another note I read somewhere about your venture with "Michael"
is there any substance there ?

respectfully
Chet K
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: pomodoro on January 13, 2017, 02:56:20 PM
Thanks for those vids Acca!  Great to finally get an English version.   It still goes against thermodynamics by the sound of it, the 200kw version sounds interesting..
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: hartiberlin on January 30, 2017, 07:57:52 PM
I made a new Video about it, as now we have a subtitle translation in English language about the Fuelcell Reactor of Petros Zografos:

https://youtu.be/7UsyK_OUPb4 (https://youtu.be/7UsyK_OUPb4)

Enjoy !
P.S. Used for the first time the OBS broadcaster software, which is quiet nice !
Please lLIKE the movie and Subscribe to my Youtube channel and comment there how you think
how this is working.. Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: Zephir on January 31, 2017, 12:33:31 AM
Extremely interesting, yet very simple device: a well tuned multiresonator cavity powered with Gunn diode. But what about the polymer foil inside it? It can be just a teflon like dielectric. It has been told us, it's consumable as well as the water - it probably has a short-life time in AC field.

another possible function of this polymer (https://www.reddit.com/r/Physics_AWT/comments/5k60b0/cold_fusion_device_based_on_high_voltage_pulses/)
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: MasterPlaster on January 31, 2017, 12:14:10 PM
Thank you Stefan.

You may be interested in this:
https://www.pall.com/pdfs/OEM-Media-Membranes-and-Materials/Hydrogen_Reactor_for_Hydrogen_Production.pdf
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: MasterPlaster on February 02, 2017, 12:28:41 AM
A related video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_wYCE5-WIY
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: EdChe on August 07, 2017, 04:48:14 AM
I had fun looking up all the things that split water on 13.56 MHz.  Is this the right one??

Also, this inspirational video for you!!  Run Your Car On Water and Nothing Else (Fox News) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yKMhWfXZJI

Please, I implore you keep on this subject.  Someone is going to, and we are going to need the HHO powered car.  I like Fast Freddie's model, but we need a lot more HHO gas!  Maybe using electromagnetic waves and an alloy will be the way to get enough of the stuff.  For those who haven't tried it, it is a joy to work with (if you can get a good seal), and burns well through a flashback arrestor... others have used even less safety devices!  Enjoy and keep everyone updated.

Ed
edchanger1@gmail.com
twitter.com/edgendary
The Base Institute
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: ramset on August 07, 2017, 06:29:36 AM
HHMMm
funny thing about that Flame color and burn quality [slow lazy passive]

these days its not so odd...
not at all

yes Ed
this needs to be kept on the front burner...

respectfully
Chet K
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: EdChe on August 07, 2017, 06:49:07 PM
Here is another article concerning the 13.56 MHz frequency.  http://www.i-sis.org.uk/canWaterBurn.php


Following on one of the references, I was rewarded with another mainstream news story (from a while ago) on the subject.
Salt Water into Fuel - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGg0ATfoBgo .  Continuous!  Could this be used for the cars?


Can radio waves be added to existing cells to increase output?  They use a lot less electricity (article said 300 Watts), so it wouldn't be out of the question...  Happy researching!
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: hartiberlin on October 10, 2017, 06:45:40 PM
I got some information from his German associate:

Did you know, that Zografos uses GUNN diodes to rectify his TerraHz RF radio waves to DC to get a very high efficieny new kind of Fuelcell ?

On his RF fuelcell he showed in the greek TV channel, he uses these 6 piston capacitors to tweak the resonance of the TerraHz resonance via
mechanical adjusting and uses his great RF measurement equipment to maximize the amplitude of the TerraHz oscillations and then uses 6 Gunn diodes
to rectify the TerraHz RF currents to DC power...

This way, he got a real good DC power output that he uses to power a DC to AC inverter to run all his equipment...
Also I was told that this hydrogen from his high frequency electrolysis acts like a "metallic conductor",
so the hydrogen ions ( probably H+ or H3+) are very conductive...

So this is probably the basic secret...

Also he had a basic cell video on his channel, where he showed just a simple RF electrolysis cell powered by 2 dissimular metals like Magnesium and
copper, so about just 1.5 Volts  and then used 2 gunn diodes to rectify the RF output of the H3+ TerraHz ions oscillations to run 2 fans and also in another video light up a  Fluorescenz light bulb ... and runs 2 fans with the output.
Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: hartiberlin on October 10, 2017, 07:14:03 PM
Okay, here is the exact video, where you can see it:

In this video at:
https://youtu.be/twYbr-ZSU0g?t=33m48s (https://youtu.be/twYbr-ZSU0g?t=33m48s)
min 33:48
he starts filling in into his small box some saltwater .

Inside the box he has 2 dissimular electrodes, which produce a galvanic voltage of probably around 1 to 1.5 Volts like
using Brass and Magnesium plates or something simular...

This voltage powers his 2 circuits small GigaHz or TerraHz RF oscillator, that splits the saltwater into
High Frequency TerraHz  oscillations.

Then on top of this small box sits 2 reactangular electrodes, that receive the splitted Saltwater Ions, which are highly conductive
and still are vibrating in this TerraHz range...
To these electrodes are 2 gunn diodes soldered onto these electrode boards, that rectify these TerraHz waves into normal chopped DC output
which are running then these 2 propellors....

Okay, the dissimular metal electrode plates are consumed, but the output from the 2 gunn diode boards is much higher than the galvanic power
used to power the 2 RF oscillator boards from the galvanic output of just about 1.5 Volts and a few Milliamps....

Hope this helps to nail down the great invention of this great new "fuelcell" via gunn diodes rectifying the TerraHz electrolysis output waves...

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: hartiberlin on October 10, 2017, 09:51:54 PM
I added a few more infos here on my Steemit.com account:

https://steemit.com/news/@overunitydotcom/how-the-water-to-electricity-petros-zografos-free-energy-fuelcell-system-is-working-from-hellagen-gr (https://steemit.com/news/@overunitydotcom/how-the-water-to-electricity-petros-zografos-free-energy-fuelcell-system-is-working-from-hellagen-gr)


Please upvote it, if you also have already a Steemit account.

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
P.S. We have to find out, how we can best  rectify these GigaHz or TerraHz waves via these special diodes.
Maybe Zografos is also using Gunn diodes to maximize the Resonance of the GigaHz or TerraHz wave via his piston capacitors and then uses
Pin or Tunnel diodes or other special RF diodes to rectify the RF currents from his RF electrolysis to DC output power...

In his latest prototypes he already got about about 800 Watts of output power and there is a rumour that he now works on a 25 KWatts system.
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: Void on October 10, 2017, 11:20:58 PM
P.S. We have to find out, how we can best  rectify these GigaHz or TerraHz waves via these special diodes.
Maybe Zografos is also using Gunn diodes to maximize the Resonance of the GigaHz or TerraHz wave via his piston capacitors and then uses
Pin or Tunnel diodes or other special RF diodes to rectify the RF currents from his RF electrolysis to DC output power...

Hi Stefan. I  know little about microwave electronics, but when I read a bit about Gunn diodes it
seems that they are not really diodes, as they don't have a PN junction, and it seems they
are more used in microwave oscillators and amplifier circuits. If this guy is rectifying microwave
AC waveforms to DC, then I would guess that it is not using Gunn diodes to do the rectifying,
but as I say I am not knowledgeable about microwave electronics so I could be wrong about that. :)

As you said, if he is rectifying microwave frequencies to DC, maybe he is using some other type of
special diodes, although I don't know what kind of diodes can work as rectifiers at microwave frequencies.

This site might have some useful info:
https://www.microwaves101.com/encyclopedias

Some excerpts:

https://www.microwaves101.com/encyclopedias/pin-diodes
PIN Diodes
"A PIN diode only acts like a rectifier at low frequencies. At microwave frequencies, the IV curve undergoes a change, so that it behaves like a resistor, whose resistance value is determined by the level of DC current that is present in the I-region. Thus a PIN diode is essentially a DC-controlled high-frequency resistor. Just as important, if no DC current is present, the diode behaves like an open circuit."

https://www.microwaves101.com/encyclopedias/tunnel-diodes
Tunnel Diodes
"In 1958 Leo Esaki, a Japanese scientist and Nobel Prize winner, discovered the tunnel diode phenomenon. If a semiconductor junction diode is heavily doped with impurities, its I-V curve will have a region of negative resistance (the slope is negative, or downward). Such diodes are called "tunnel diodes", and have broad applications in microwaves. This region has been exploited to create oscillators, but it also makes a very efficient detector. Why the word "tunnel"? We'd have to resort to quantum physics to explain that, but we won't, because no real microwave engineer cares!"

Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: Void on October 10, 2017, 11:43:25 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunn_diode

Gunn Diode
"A Gunn diode, also known as a transferred electron device (TED), is a form of diode, a two-terminal passive semiconductor electronic component, with negative resistance, used in high-frequency electronics. It is based on the "Gunn effect" discovered in 1962 by physicist J. B. Gunn. Its largest use is in electronic oscillators to generate microwaves, in applications such as radar speed guns, microwave relay data link transmitters, and automatic door openers.

Its internal construction is unlike other diodes in that it consists only of N-doped semiconductor material, whereas most diodes consist of both P and N-doped regions. It therefore does not conduct in only one direction and cannot rectify alternating current like other diodes, which is why some sources do not use the term diode but prefer TED. "

Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: ramset on October 11, 2017, 03:05:37 PM
Stefan
https://steemit.com/news/@overunitydotcom/how-the-water-to-electricity-petros-zografos-free-energy-fuelcell-system-is-working-from-hellagen-gr

this is an example of an experiment we can "model" here .
we have the open source talent in house [here and elsewhere]

and the builders with a long standing   reputation of sharing here and elsewhere on open source projects... to get this done.......

We have spoken in the past about "how to fund" these Open source projects with 100% transparency  ,..looking forward to those discussions again ,


@Void
nothing but gratitude here....

respectfully
Chet K


Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: hartiberlin on October 16, 2017, 03:34:03 PM
Zografos is probably using Gunn diodes to generate this GigaHz or TerraHz pulse frequency to do the RF electrolysis and then uses Schottky diodes to rectify the RF power to DC.

As I pointed out there are already a few RF to DC power modules on the market in my Steemit.com article that can reach about 60 to 70 % efficiency.

@Chet , yes I am looking into using Steem cryptocurrency to integrate into the forum here or into a new forum , so all the users could benefit from posting.

I would advise already all users to register at steemit.com to setup your Accounts over there already.


Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: ramset on October 18, 2017, 10:13:55 PM
Stefan,
Sounds good, will look into this steemit.com

https://steemit.com/news/@overunitydotcom/how-the-water-to-electricity-petros-zografos-free-energy-fuelcell-system-is-working-from-hellagen-gr

respectfully
Chet
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: Sergh on April 22, 2018, 12:03:13 AM
Interesting patent:

https://patents.google.com/patent/CN1072465A/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/CN1072465A/en)

Quote
A method and apparatus of preparing hydrogen by microwave electrolysis of steam is disclosed. The apparatus consists of microwave generator and electrolysis tank. Microwave, which comes from the generator passes through the energy entrance of the electrolysis tank into the tank, heats the water in the bottom of tank and vaporizes it. Steam is excited to high energy status, electrolysis is conducted, and hydrogen and oxygen are produced. Under the following conditions: absolute pressure 0.1 MPa-1MPa, temp. 100-180 deg.C. microwave power density 0.1W/cm3-1.2W/cm3, microwave frequency 800-22200 megacycles per second, field intensity of direct current 200-800V/m. This invention has following advantages: high electrolysis efficiency, energy saving, no corrosion to the apparatus and safe production etc..

min. 800 MHz - max 22,2 GHz, absolute pressure 0.1 MPa-1MPa, temp. 100-180 deg.C.(steam) microwave power density 0.1W/cm3-1.2W/cm3, (not too high)


Quote
The dielectric loss coefficient of water (εtgδ) decreases with increasing temperature, but the water vapor still absorb microwave energy.  According to quantum mechanics, electrons of water molecules, atomic force by high frequency electromagnetic field (microwaves), and the collision between the molecules are excited to a higher energy level, and then applying a DC electric field, it is easy to split water molecules.  Set DC field strength Ed, the microwave electric field intensity Ea of the electric field intensity in the total cell is: E = Ed + Ea E <critical breakdown field strength of the medium.
To split water molecules, the microwave energy is not enough. Therefore, a ordinary direct current is added to the microwave.
It's unclear how high the efficiency is.
 CE or not CE.
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: ramset on April 22, 2018, 09:37:34 AM
Stefan linked to the 5KW unit  on his steemit page

https://www.facebook.com/watertopower/photos/a.609188342552653.1073741828.609182489219905/1032443026893847/?type=3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/watertopower/photos/a.609188342552653.1073741828.609182489219905/1032443026893847/?type=3&theater)

Steemit page here
https://steemit.com/news/@overunitydotcom/how-the-water-to-electricity-petros-zografos-free-energy-fuelcell-system-is-working-from-hellagen-gr (https://steemit.com/news/@overunitydotcom/how-the-water-to-electricity-petros-zografos-free-energy-fuelcell-system-is-working-from-hellagen-gr)
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: Sergh on April 22, 2018, 11:11:02 AM
to this:
https://overunity.com/16579/bike-runs-on-water-100-no-gasoline-microwave-pulse-generator-water-split/msg520217/#msg520217 (https://overunity.com/16579/bike-runs-on-water-100-no-gasoline-microwave-pulse-generator-water-split/msg520217/#msg520217)
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I have microwave diodes, not only Gunn but also IMPATT diodes, and complete generators at different frequencies. But it's not important...

 From the microwave electrolysis does not go. In any case, there is not enough microwave energy.

A very large energy is required to break down the water molecule from resonance. With this energy, water will turn into a hot plasma. But this doesn't suit us.

Therefore, in addition to microwave, it is necessary to help the water with the usual direct current. Or catalysts.

Watch this Zografos video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOLhzbZsAYA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOLhzbZsAYA)

 There is a piece of metal floating in the vial.
Quote
For the operation of the device it is required the use of a metal alloy board which is consumed gradually and act as electromagnetic torch. By preliminary estimates the device seen need a Kgr of alloy for producing 1600 normal cubic meters of hydrogen. With energy content of hydrogen equal to 3,5 kWh / Nm ^ 3, the output 1600 Nm ^ 3 cubic meters of hydrogen corresponding to 3,5 x 1600 = 5600 kWh chemical-thermal energy. By using a single generator with a degree of efficiency of 30% with this production we can now produce 1680 kWh of electricity at a cost of metal of around 50 euros that is equal to 50/1680 = 0,03 € / kWh compared to 0,19 € / kWh  currently charged by Hellenic Public Power Company ( PPC)!
http://rexresearch.com/zogrifoselectrolysis/zogrifos.html (http://rexresearch.com/zogrifoselectrolysis/zogrifos.html)
 
"Metal alloy board" = battery! Anode and cathode to outside?
Two thin plates of different metals, one on another, soldered together. For example, magnesium and copper.

In addition, water with salt does not conduct microwave. Microwave  can conduct through distilled water. But distilled water does not conduct current. If add in the distilled water a colloid, then it probably conducts both current and microwave. Metacolloid or metacolloid - can transport electric charge from one side of metall plate to another.
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: ramset on April 23, 2018, 09:55:11 AM
Well

I had spoken briefly with the inventor last year ,Due to suspicions raised here by fellows who felt the flame did not look correct [color indicated "other" things]

I asked him to run his motorcycle into one of the 167 emissions stations in his country to prove his Hydrogen claim [or no carbon fuel]

he wanted to give me his Lawyers phone number :o

that being said
we have the experience here of Li soap [EXTREMELY SMALL AMOUNTS]
cutting the temp where the water molecule disassociates..... in half.

this we played with in ICE's here at this forum .

maybe you should try some metal soap
  having read your recent comments and the patent you mentioned
I will be playing with this Li soap .

hopefully others will join in too

respectfully
Chet K
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: Sergh on April 23, 2018, 10:48:28 AM
   I think that a large amount of hydrogen with water vapor and colloid particles can give such a colored flame. But i thinks that it does not matter.

  It is important that when applying small amount of microwave radiation on a test tube, then begins a violent reaction with a large number of bubbles. In official science, I did not find this.
They say that this is impossible.
 
Officially, some acceleration of chemical reactions  is possible only due to heating from microwave. But chemical effects trought resonant absorption is not found or insignificant.

 Zografos video with test tube does not show any heating.
The microwave generator powered from LM7805 linear regulator, the chip without cooling radiator.
This means that the maximum microwave power will be:
(5V from LM7805) x (0,2 Ampere without cooling) x (Gunn Diode efficiency 0.1 max)  = 0.1 Watt
Title: Re: Bike runs on water 100 % - No Gasoline - Microwave Pulse Generator Water Split
Post by: Sergh on May 28, 2018, 08:20:58 AM
A russian patent in which the use of HF for the decomposition of water is declared. The HF oscillations comes from outside the cell through a capacitive coupling.
Inside the cell there are pairwise connected electrodes. These electrodes are not galvanically connected to external HF source. In addition, an external magnetic field is used.Declared not only the production of hydrogen but also the generation of electricity by rectification of oscillations from these electrodes.This is very similar to the demonstration model of Zografos with two small fans. The effect is obtained due to synchronization of rotational vibrations of water molecules.
Specific frequencies of HF are reported in the text.
https://patents.google.com/patent/RU2409704C1/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/RU2409704C1/en)

Quote
Capabilities allow the generator used to operate at a frequency of 0.1 MHz to 3.2 MHz.  From this condition for the experiments on the effects on the water chose two frequency groups: the first group with a deviation from the multiplicity calculation of the oscillation frequency to the actuating frequency of the first significant digit of hydrogen and oxygen to 5%, the second group with a deviation from the multiplicity of more than 5% (see. table).   The frequencies of the first group: 0.106 MHz, 0.315 MHz, 1.64 MHz, 2.5 MHz.   The electricity consumption for the preparation of 1 m 3 of hydrogen when exposed to these low frequencies.     The frequencies of the second group: 0.5 MHz, 0.7 MHz, 1.3 MHz.   Exposure to these frequencies less effectively.
To my thinking, this can not be so simple as described in the patent.HF usually does not decompose water. Although the declared power of 3.2 kWh per cubic meter of hydrogen is very high. Maybe at this power and at the declared frequencies something happens.