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tagor

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #315 on: June 26, 2016, 03:19:09 PM »

bla bla ...

Gravock

can you stop bullshit ...

yes the earth is flat !
and you have to give a mathematic model for YOUR FLAT EARTH or  stop spamming this forum !

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #316 on: June 26, 2016, 03:22:28 PM »
You're working under the wrong assumptions.  It is the sky (dome) that is rotating, and not the earth. 

All telescopes Are OVERRATED TOYS, Another BIG Misconception (video).   The fact that the distances to stars are based on the assumption that the earth is moving 186,000,000 miles in half a year, is the basis for generating parallax baseline measurements.  If the Earth is NOT moving (and no experimental evidence suggests that it is), then it's completely screwing up all conventional distance measurements.  In other-words, what we are told about the universe, stars, planets and distance is B.S.!  Telescopes are very limited, in fact all of them.  It was demonstrated that the capacity of a large telescope to see the distant stars has been overestimated.  The result of this calculation indicates that a very large telescope, such as the Hubble (SOFIA), enables observers to see only 357.14 times farther than the naked eye, pointing to wide ranging implications regarding many theories related to size and distances of stars and the so-called galaxies.

Gravock

Once again your post demonstrates that you are completely ignorant about astronomy. I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain to you how telescopes _actually_ work to allow very deep observations into intergalactic space. You'll just claim that my own photographs of galaxies millions of light-years away are "fake".

Hint: magnification and resolving power do not determine how far a telescope can see! 

How very clever it is for NASA to put up things on the "sky dome" that are so very dim that it takes hours of exposure time to get them to show up, right where all the star atlases says they will be, even to the merest amateur astronomer like me! 








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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #317 on: June 26, 2016, 04:20:22 PM »
You're working under the wrong assumptions.  It is the sky (dome) that is rotating, and not the earth. 

You still need to explain the star-trails image I posted, taken from the Canary Islands, that shows _two_ centers of rotation, one clockwise and the other counterclockwise, at the same time. Your "rotating sky dome" model is an ignorant fantasy, nothing more, and does not fit the actual facts of observation.

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All telescopes Are OVERRATED TOYS, Another BIG Misconception (video).


What an utter facepalm bunch of ignorant garbage that video is!   

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The fact that the distances to stars are based on the assumption that the earth is moving 186,000,000 miles in half a year, is the basis for generating parallax baseline measurements. 


Not even that is quite true. The _diameter_ of the Earth's orbit is approximately 186 million miles, but since the Earth is _moving_ along the orbital curve it is actually _moving_ much further than that.  It is true that the diameter distance is the baseline for astronomical parallax measurements.

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If the Earth is NOT moving (and no experimental evidence suggests that it is),

That's a total lie. There is plenty of experimental evidence that the Earth is indeed moving, and for you to assert otherwise once again shows two things: you are ignorant of observational astronomy, and you will simply deny the validity of any and all evidence that refutes your idiotic contentions.

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then it's completely screwing up all conventional distance measurements.  In other-words, what we are told about the universe, stars, planets and distance is B.S.! 

That doesn't even follow, even if it were the case that your garbage "theory" were true. Parallax is only good out to a certain distance; further than that and the parallax becomes too small to be useful as a distance measurement. Other measures are then used to estimate the distances further out, like "standard candles" such as the observed brightness of Cepheid variable stars or certain types of supernovae. Yes, these distances are estimates, based on extrapolations of observations of closer objects, and the physics of electromagnetic radiation, etc. The mileage (or kilometerage) indicated on your car's odometer is also an estimate, based on the diameter of your tires, the gear ratio of your transmission, and other imperfectly known values.

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Telescopes are very limited, in fact all of them.


Yes, that is true, but not in the way that your silly linked video claims. Or rather, the video and your "reasoning" leave out some very important facts of astronomical observation.
The fact that telescopes are limited is the reason why they are constantly being improved, and why various different types of telescopes exist and are being used every day to improve our _real_ understanding of the the universe around us. Visible light telescopes are only a small part of the armoury of astronomical observation tools. Your bogus "theory" of conspiracy and flat earth does an enormous disservice to the legions of astronomers, astrophysicists, other scientists and technicians who are contributing to this effort. Fortunately, you mean nothing to them and they will continue working to expand our knowledge, while laughing out loud at ignorant, lying videos like the one you posted.

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 It was demonstrated that the capacity of a large telescope to see the distant stars has been overestimated.  The result of this calculation indicates that a very large telescope, such as the Hubble (SOFIA), enables observers to see only 357.14 times farther than the naked eye, pointing to wide ranging implications regarding many theories related to size and distances of stars and the so-called galaxies.

Gravock

Wrong. Nothing of the sort was demonstrated. Actually what that video demonstrates is another prime example of the Dunning-Kruger effect, where a little bit of incomplete knowledge is used to come to utterly wrong conclusions which are then "taught" to even more ignorant, gullible people like yourself.

SeaMonkey

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #318 on: June 26, 2016, 09:19:00 PM »
Well said TinK!

One can only wonder why Gravity Block is so fatally attracted
to the Flat Earth PsyOp.  What could possibly be the incentive
for toeing the Flat Earth Line?

For most who have fallen for the Flat Earth PsyOp, it seems to
be the ability to identify by association with those who presently
have power over the nations.  Taking the "Mark" as it were, to
demonstrate loyalty to the Elites.

What a shame it is.

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #319 on: June 27, 2016, 01:35:25 AM »
Here is my theory of the only way a Flat Earth is possible. hahahahaha
Yep, out of the box. (or globe I should say).
http://etherimpress.com/forum/index.php?topic=688.msg2331#msg2331

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #320 on: June 27, 2016, 03:55:08 AM »
Here is my theory of the only way a Flat Earth is possible. hahahahaha
Yep, out of the box. (or globe I should say).
http://etherimpress.com/forum/index.php?topic=688.msg2331#msg2331

In the globe model, gravity is needed for such things as satellites, the solar system, etc.  In the flat earth model, gravity is nothing more than density.  Anything heavier than air will fall, and anything lighter than air will rise.  The properties of one model doesn't necessarily mean they apply to another model.

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #321 on: June 27, 2016, 04:45:02 AM »
Once again your post demonstrates that you are completely ignorant about astronomy. I'm not going to waste my time trying to explain to you how telescopes _actually_ work to allow very deep observations into intergalactic space. You'll just claim that my own photographs of galaxies millions of light-years away are "fake".

Hint: magnification and resolving power do not determine how far a telescope can see! 

How very clever it is for NASA to put up things on the "sky dome" that are so very dim that it takes hours of exposure time to get them to show up, right where all the star atlases says they will be, even to the merest amateur astronomer like me!

There is no other way to get a distance for the sun other than Eratosthenes' stick experiment (first image below). Just looking at it from a single point on earth will not tell you its distance, you must look at it from several points and account for the curvature or non-curvature of the distance between those points.  In his experiment, Eratosthenes assumes that the earth is a globe and that the sun is very far away in his computations for the size of the earth and the distance to the sun (~93,000,000 miles away). However, if we use his data with the assumption that the earth is flat, we come up with a different calculation for the distance of the sun, showing it to be close to the earth (~2,000 miles away).  If we move from Florida to Pennsylvania, our distance from the sun on the flat earth increases by about 30%.  The sun's distance changes according to the model of the earth we assume for the experiment.

In your following post (reply #324), you said "Yes, these distances are estimates, based on extrapolations of observations of closer objects, and the physics of electromagnetic radiation, etc.  As you can see from the above paragraph, the distance of close objects, such as the sun, depends on the correct model of the earth.  If the correct model isn't used to determine the proper distance of the closer objects, then the further objects will be wildly inflated in regards to their distance.  I hate to bust your bubble, but you're not taking photographs of galaxies millions of light years away.  You live in a fantasy world if you think otherwise!

"On March 21-22 the sun is directly overhead at the equator and appears 45 degrees above the horizon at 45 degrees north and south latitude. As the angle of sun above the earth at the equator is 90 degrees while it is 45 degrees at 45 degrees north or south latitude, it follows that the angle at the sun between the vertical from the horizon and the line from the observers at 45 degrees north and south must also be 45 degrees. The result is two right angled triangles with legs of equal length. The distance between the equator and the points at 45 degrees north or south is approximately 3,000 miles. Ergo, the sun would be an equal distance above the equator".  -- Thomas Winship, author of Zetetic Cosmogony.

Modern Mechanics describes how on a Flat Earth the sun can be computed to 3,000 miles via triangulation, whereas on a globe earth those same angles can calculate the sun to nearly 93 million miles away (second image below).

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #322 on: June 27, 2016, 05:18:23 AM »
Eratosthenes' model depends on the assumption that the earth is a globe and that the sun is far away and therefore produces parallel rays of light all over the earth.

Mainstream science has sought to explain away crepuscular rays of the sun (see first image below) that are extremely damaging to the heliocentric model, as just the result of a visual phenomenon known as linear perspective. The problem is... perspective can't explain these rays.  This video (second image below) shows that the very perspective they invoke to try and save the heliocentric model from these damaging crepuscular rays actually indicts the heliocentric model as a fraud

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #323 on: June 27, 2016, 05:26:21 AM »
You still need to explain the star-trails image I posted, taken from the Canary Islands, that shows _two_ centers of rotation, one clockwise and the other counterclockwise, at the same time. Your "rotating sky dome" model is an ignorant fantasy, nothing more, and does not fit the actual facts of observation.

What an utter facepalm bunch of ignorant garbage that video is!   

The below quote is taken from the video description as found in my previous post.

"There is no southern pole star. What folks are seeing when they look south is a perspective produced counter rotation. For example: If you are at the north pole, polaris will be directly overhead and all the stars will be rotating around it - and the stars just above the horizon will do a big circle around you staying parallel to the horizon, right?... I don't know how much you know about perspective, but notice how the clouds will angle down towards YOUR horizon THE FURTHER AWAY FROM YOU THEY ARE. Keep this in mind. The further south you go... Polaris will get lower and lower in the northern sky FROM YOUR PERSPECTIVE. Let's say you go far enough south that Polaris is on your horizon... the surrounding stars that were rotating around you at the north pole would now be rising in the east and setting in the west. And if you look to the south, you will see a counter rotation DUE TO PERPSECTIVE. This is tough to understand, I get that. Think about it for a while..."

You photographing galaxies that are millions of light years away is an ignorant fantasy based on a fairy tale as told by NASA and TPTB!

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #324 on: June 27, 2016, 05:35:35 AM »
can you stop bullshit ...

yes the earth is flat !
and you have to give a mathematic model for YOUR FLAT EARTH or  stop spamming this forum !

NASA has given us the mathematical linear model for the stationary atmosphere over a flat non-rotating Earth as mentioned in a 1988 NASA Publication.  In addition to this, the mathematics and geometry has been given to calculate the proper distance the sun is from the surface of the flat earth.  In other-words, it is you who is spamming this forum with B.S, and not me!

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #325 on: June 27, 2016, 05:43:48 AM »
Well said TinK!

One can only wonder why Gravity Block is so fatally attracted
to the Flat Earth PsyOp.  What could possibly be the incentive
for toeing the Flat Earth Line?

For most who have fallen for the Flat Earth PsyOp, it seems to
be the ability to identify by association with those who presently
have power over the nations.  Taking the "Mark" as it were, to
demonstrate loyalty to the Elites.

What a shame it is.

TinK is in a quagmire.  The more he tries to get out of it, the more he sinks into it.  Let's watch TinK completely SinK as he continues to perpetuate the lies and deceptions of the globalist elite.

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #326 on: June 27, 2016, 07:25:42 AM »
NASA has given us the mathematical linear model for the stationary atmosphere over a flat non-rotating Earth as mentioned in a 1988 NASA Publication.  In addition to this, the mathematics and geometry has been given to calculate the proper distance the sun is from the surface of the flat earth.  In other-words, it is you who is spamming this forum with B.S, and not me!

Gravock


can you stop your bullshit and stop spamming this form !

do you use the relativity general or give me your model or leave this forum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_relativity

where is the center of mas of the flat earth ? we are not snake !!

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #327 on: June 27, 2016, 07:33:43 AM »

bla bla ...

Gravock

stop spamming

how can you proof flat earth with this pic ?
this pic is a proof of your big stupidity

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #328 on: June 27, 2016, 08:04:48 AM »
stop spamming

how can you proof flat earth with this pic ?
this pic is a proof of your big stupidity

The rays from a sun which is 93 million miles away will produce parallel rays of light all over the earth.  Does the rays in the pic appear to be parallel?  No, thus the sun's distance as calculated on the globe model is wrong, and the crepuscular rays of light is evidence of the sun moving around the flat earth at ~3,000 miles away.  Once again, this is a no-brainer!

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #329 on: June 27, 2016, 08:19:02 AM »

bla bla ...

Gravock

this pick can not proof flat earth but

can proof you are wrong explaining crescend moon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_phase

this pic proof also your stupidity , stop spamming !!