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Author Topic: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?  (Read 99066 times)

Offline Dog-One

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #285 on: June 20, 2016, 01:12:30 AM »
The other term used within private circles is:

"Change Agent"

Be wary of them.  They are not ones who wish to adopt your views.
They are only here to get you to conform to theirs, or at the very
least, to get you to waste your time entertaining their views/agenda.


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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #286 on: June 20, 2016, 01:57:28 AM »
Stationary Atmosphere Over A Flat Non Rotating Earth Mentioned In 1988 NASA Publication (Video)

1988 NASA Publication (PDF Document)  <------Snapshots shown below for quick reference and convenience.

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #287 on: June 20, 2016, 02:58:57 AM »
Well now GB, it seems the PsyOp has been a long time
in development and evolution. :o

You may wish to enquire, however, about the purpose of
the Model and the Study you've referenced.  The Military
involves itself with all manner of studies and theoretical
scenarios for purposes of R&D.  Just in case one  day where
"No Man Has Yet Ventured" the crew of the Starship in question
encounters such a place. 8)

No Stone is Left Unturned...

And Yes, NASA is Military.

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #287 on: June 20, 2016, 02:58:57 AM »
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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #288 on: June 20, 2016, 03:16:24 AM »
Quote from: Dog-One
The other term used within private circles is:

"Change Agent"

Be wary of them.  They are not ones who wish to adopt your views.
They are only here to get you to conform to theirs, or at the very
least, to get you to waste your time entertaining their views/agenda.

Aye, you've said it well.  They are often engaged in exercises which
gauge the "compliance" of the intellectually astute.  Certain forums
are targeted more than others to narrow the information gathered.

It's a "sales technique" practiced universally - engage the victim and
prolong engagement with the goal of eventual overload fatigue followed
by capitulation.

They have no idea how they're being "played" and very little comprehension
of the PLAN and AGENDA which supports their lifestyle.  They're in it because
it offers a sense of Power by Association and it pays well.

It is very doubtful that GB is an "innocent sucker" who's being taken for a
ride...

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #289 on: June 20, 2016, 03:57:04 AM »
Well now GB, it seems the PsyOp has been a long time
in development and evolution. :o

You may wish to enquire, however, about the purpose of
the Model and the Study you've referenced.  The Military
involves itself with all manner of studies and theoretical
scenarios for purposes of R&D.  Just in case one  day where
"No Man Has Yet Ventured" the crew of the Starship in question
encounters such a place.
8)

No Stone is Left Unturned...

And Yes, NASA is Military.

The publication specifically says "non rotating flat earth" and not a non rotating flat planet, thus the linear model isn't for the purpose of a future encounter with such a place.  Also, the publication says "the lack of documentation and, occasionally, understanding of the derivation of linear models is a hindrance to communication, training, and application".  If the earth is a rotating spherical globe, then why would communication, training, and applications be hindered due to a lack of documentation and understanding of the derivation of linear models?  It's because the earth is not rotating and is flat!!!

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #289 on: June 20, 2016, 03:57:04 AM »
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Offline SeaMonkey

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #290 on: June 20, 2016, 04:05:06 AM »
Quote from: GB
The publication specifically says "non rotating flat earth"

Why, of course it does. :o

We are upon Planet Earth aren't we? ::)

There was an unpublished purpose for this "What if..."
Model and Study.  Acquire understanding of a Theoretical
Model then alter its lessons to fit our present reality.
It's known as Primacy.  Start Basic and grow into the
Complex.  Nothing in the least is strange about that... 8)

Plane Geometry is mastered before moving into Solid Geometry. ::)

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #291 on: June 20, 2016, 04:48:33 AM »
Why, of course it does. :o

We are upon Planet Earth aren't we? ::)

There was an unpublished purpose for this "What if..."
Model and Study.  Acquire understanding of a Theoretical
Model then alter its lessons to fit our present reality.
It's known as Primacy.  Start Basic and grow into the
Complex.  Nothing in the least is strange about that... 8)

Plane Geometry is mastered before moving into Solid Geometry. ::)

If the earth is a rotating spherical globe, then why would communication, training, and applications be hindered due to a lack of documentation and understanding of the derivation of a theoretical linear model for the flat non rotating earth?  It can only be because the true model is a linear model for the flat non rotating earth.  The linear models fit our present reality and isn't some theoretical rotating globe model that hinders communications, etc.!

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #291 on: June 20, 2016, 04:48:33 AM »
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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #292 on: June 20, 2016, 07:27:55 AM »



@Tagor

I would strongly disagree because your implying we should just do away with any debate simply because you do not agree with the subject matter. I think most are just irritated because GB's debating skills seem to be superior to most here even if the subject matter is ridiculous. My theory is that if you believe something then at the very least you should be able to justify it to others... such as open debate.

AC

can you realy debate with flat earther ?

http://io9.gizmodo.com/a-historic-experiment-shows-why-we-might-not-want-to-de-1627339811

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In 1870 a man proved that the Earth was round. He wasn't the first to prove it, and he wasn't even proving anything out of the mainstream. But that didn't keep a fanatic from spending the next 20 years ruining his life.

The Bedford Level Experiment

Alfred Russel Wallace spent much of the first half of the 1800s making a modest living as a surveyor. His income did not cover his many scientific pursuits (at which he showed great talent) or his few financial pursuits (at which he showed no talent at all). When he saw an announcement in Zetetic Astronomy pledging 500 pounds to the person who could prove the world was round, he thought it was easy money. The term "zetetic" is derived from a Greek word and means, roughly, "I will find out for myself." Finding out for oneself is great in theory. In practice, when people try to find things out for themselves they often make mistakes without realizing it.

When Wallace looked into the announcement in detail, he saw that one contributor to the publication, who went by the name of "Parallax," was making a lot of mistakes. The Old Bedford River had a six-mile drainage canal marked at each end by a bridge. The canal was so long and straight that, if the world were round, a boat at one end would not be visible to a boat on the other end. They would each be hidden from each other by the curve of the Earth. Parallax — whose real name was Samuel Rowbotham — often took people out on the water and showed them the boats at the other end of the canal. The world, therefore, was flat. Wallace had enough experience with surveying to know that density gradients in air, which are common just above water, can bend light back down towards the ground. Parallax and his guests were seeing a mirage.

If Rowbotham had been the one offering the money, Wallace might have claimed his prize without a problem. It didn't take Wallace long to come up with a better way of showing the curvature of the Earth. He would put a series of disks up on poles along the water. He would then stand on one bridge, and look back at the disks. If he was right, the disks towards the middle of the canal would look slightly higher than the rest of the disks, and the disk at the far end would look slightly lower. He would basically be putting dots along the canal that traced the curve of the Earth. When Wallace set the whole thing up he, his flat-Earth opponent, and their agreed-upon referee did see exactly what Wallace expected to see. The middle disk was slightly higher, and the far disk was slightly lower.

Sadly, it was not Rowbotham offering the cash. Instead, it was a nasty little psycho called John Hampden. Hampden saw what everyone else saw, but he also saw something else. He saw cross hairs on the telescope that the three were using to look at the disks. He saw that the middle disk was a certain distance below the cross hairs. And he saw that the far disk was that same distance below the middle signal. (So if the middle disk were a quarter inch below the cross hairs, the far disk was a quarter inch below the middle disk, and a half inch below the cross hairs.) For some reason, Hampden decided that this must mean that the disks were in a straight line, whether one appeared higher than the other or not. No one could convince him otherwise, including the referee, who consulted the actual makers of the telescope and surveying equipment just to make sure that Hampden's observation wasn't relevant. Not only did Hampden not accept the decision, he embarked on a 21-year campaign of harassment, threats, and libel that ruined Wallace's life.

The Fanatic's Revenge

First, Wallace was obliged to give back the money. Hampden, despite issuing the bet in the first place, took him to court and claimed that two people were not qualified to settle whether or not the world was round or flat. Hampden then started publishing insulting letters in publications. When he moved on to death threats, which he charmingly sent to Wallace's wife, he was put in prison. (Note to nutters: If you write, "If your infernal thief of a husband is brought home... with every bone in his head smashed to a pulp, you will know the reason," don't sign it with your own name.) Eventually the harassment became a cycle. Hampden would publish libelous claims and send Wallace threats. Wallace would take Hampden to court and Hampden would be forced to recant, briefly imprisoned, and barred from writing anything about Wallace for a few months. The day after the months were up, he'd be back at it.

It only ended with Hampden's death. His fellow flat-Earthers never changed their mind about his position, although to be fair some changed their mind in regards to Hampden's character. Wallace spent two decades fighting libelous claims and accruing court costs, and nearly went bankrupt. He even got some flack from the legitimate scientific community. A globular Earth was the mainstream view; few people had ever espoused the flat-Earth philosophy. Scientists felt like Wallace's acceptance of the challenge provided publicity for the fanatics.

There are still flat-Earthers today. There are any number of deniers, conspiracy theorists, and generalized nuts today. While, much of the time, a person who jumps into the fray and debates a subject honestly is a hero — there is plenty of history to show us that steering clear can be the wiser course. Being right, sometimes, isn't enough.

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #293 on: June 20, 2016, 11:32:24 AM »
The flat earth movement is controlled and financed by the rulers of hollow earth who also rule outer earth.

If you believe in flat earth you will never look for inner earth, and that is what is intended.

In inner earth there is an endless supply of diamonds and rare metals, which are used to pay the controlled ruling class of outer earth and of course the flat earthers.

Flat earhers are part of the controlled ruling class of outer earth, so, be careful.

The best way to hide a conspiracy (namely the ruling of planet earth from inner earth) is to propagate a false conspiracy (namely flat earth).


How to go to inner earth:

Just wait, if you are worthy, you will be invited in.

If you are a victim of the flat earth cobspiracy, you still might be invited in (in case your personality is right).

If you are an agent of "flat earth" you might come from inner earth (but of course, you would never admit it).

Most flat earth agents are not from inner earth, they are just servants of the ruling class.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #294 on: June 20, 2016, 09:11:26 PM »
Conrad,

Probably not many will comprehend what you've written
but you have indeed captured the essence of the
AGENDA at work in our World in its Final Days.

No, the Planet will not be destroyed when The End
arrives.  Just the exceedingly wicked and evil system
of corruption and exploitation which has come to Rule
over the Planet.

Needless to say, those Bad Boys will not go down without
a fight; therefore a massive final battle is the PLAN.

Yes, those who have the Power know that their time is short.

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #295 on: June 21, 2016, 09:18:37 AM »
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can you realy debate with flat earther ?


Metaphorically speaking yes and we do it nearly every day in regards to religion, politics, economics and science.


A majority of people believe in a god which created everything which uses nearly the same kind of false justification as flat earther's because they have never had any real proof in hand of anything. Why we may as well be debating whether a bigfoot riding a unicorn prefers western or side saddle?. Look at Donald Trump a narcissistic, bigot, racist, known to be a compulsive liar who may be the next president of the united states, a barbarian. If this isn't a very good indication that the flat earth mentality is alive and well in this day and age then what is?.


Look at economics and the fact 1% hold 99% of the worlds wealth and yet the common man champions capitalism and the mega corporation mentality. Why not just get down on your knee's and beg like a dog to be a slave because in effect that is exactly what is going to happen. Corporate monopolies have become the norm and they are growing so uhm... how exactly do you think this story is going to end my friend?. Then we have science and the pursuit of truth. However not unlike religion it can only be the truth if it is the same truth and not something different. Which is a way of saying they think it's great you have an opinion so long as it's the same as theirs otherwise you must be wrong or mentally challenged in some way.


So yes in a sense we debate with the knuckle dragging flat earther's every single day and most of them think their rocket scientists. They got it all figured out, all under control and nobody, nobody, is going to tell them any different. Me I'm fluid, I'm on the fence watching the spectacle of it all waiting for Rome to burn and burn it will.


We are Rome, http://www.history.com/news/history-lists/8-reasons-why-rome-fell.




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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #296 on: June 21, 2016, 12:09:17 PM »
@tagor

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yes there is a lot of flatearther , not only flat but also very empty

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #297 on: June 21, 2016, 01:51:14 PM »
I think the Earth is a cube!

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #298 on: June 22, 2016, 05:13:20 PM »
The flat earth movement is controlled and financed by the rulers of hollow earth who also rule outer earth.

You ballers always invert the truth.  It's more like the globe PySop is controlled and financed by the globalists (TPTB).

If you believe in flat earth you will never look for inner earth, and that is what is intended.

You're wrongly implying the flat earth has no depth for it to also be hollow in order for there to be an inner earth.  The flat earth does have a thickness/depth to it, and it doesn't have to be completely solid as you falsely assert and imply.  Most people who refer to a flat earth is referring to the overall flatness on the surface of the earth, which means the surface of the earth has no curvature as we find in the globe model that is pushed by TPTB.  The round dome above the surface of the earth, along with the atmosphere between the dome and flat surface, could be regarded as a upper hemisphere, and the earth below the surface could be concave to form a lower hemisphere.  In this sense, both hemispheres taken together could be regarded as a globe, but this isn't the same globe model that has a curvature on the surface of the earth that has been pushed by TPTB for the last 500 years.  However, the earth below the surface doesn't necessarily have to be concave. In other-words, the bottom below the surface could also be flat as we find at the surface.

Flat earhers are part of the controlled ruling class of outer earth, so, be careful.

Another inversion of the truth.  It's more like the globalists (ballers) are part of the controlled ruling class of earth.

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Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #299 on: June 22, 2016, 05:45:17 PM »

Your wrongly implying the flat earth has no depth for it to also be hollow in order for there to be an inner earth.  The flat earth does have a thickness/depth to it, and it doesn't have to be completely solid as you falsely assert and imply.  Most people who refer to a flat earth is referring to the overall flatness on the surface of the earth, which means the surface of the earth has no curvature as we find in the globe model that is pushed by TPTB. The round dome above the surface of the earth, along with the atmosphere between the dome and surface, could be regarded as a upper hemisphere, and the earth below the surface could be concave to form a lower hemisphere.  In this sense, both hemispheres taken together could be regarded as a globe, but this isn't the same globe model that has a curvature on the surface of the earth that has been pushed by TPTB for the last 500 years.  However, the earth below the surface doesn't necessarily have to be concave. In other-words, the bottom below the surface could also be flat as we find at the surface.

Gravock

Wow, flat upper earth and flat inner earth. Double blasphemy! You will be hunted down by TPTB and the rulers from inner earth.

I have to consult inner earth about this! I will ask them to forgive you. It is strangely logical to go from the believe in flat earth to the believe in flat outer earth and flat inner earth. To err is human and you should not suffer for this.

There remains a question: If there is a "flat outer earth" and a "flat inner earth" and if the "flat thing" in-between has a thickness, there could be a "true inner earth in this flat thing"? What you call the "flat inner earth" could just be a "mirror outer earth"?

Look at the drawing which could depict the integrated whole truth. I am not saying that this is disclosure of the big secret, I just help you to see your errors of judgement. I want to save you.

Greetings, Conrad

 

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