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### Author Topic: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?  (Read 193010 times)

#### Pirate88179

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##### Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #45 on: April 30, 2016, 06:41:31 PM »
380 feet of missing curvature (image below).  Water finds it's own level, so in a spherical earth model, the water would need to bend to the curvature of the earth in order for the mast to appear before the hull as the ship approaches.  In order for you to be correct, you will need to prove that water doesn't find it's own level!

Gravock

But, as most of us already know, water does find its own level...AS relative to the center of the mass of the earth at any given point.  I can have a perfectly vertical pole mounted in my yard and Stefan can have the same thing in Germany yet, our poles will not be parallel.  This proves that the earth is not flat as you claim.  That bridge is curved and the engineers that designed it know that to be a fact.

This is getting ridiculous responding to these assertions that were disproven thousands of years ago.

Bill

#### MileHigh

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##### Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #46 on: April 30, 2016, 06:43:10 PM »
So now we know what it is all about.  Thee is a big LED lamp for the North Star at the top of the dome and it is all set up by the great big sky man-thing.  Where is Slim Pickens when you need him?  How will you show you adore him and serve him?  Hosts, ganga, spinning wheels, or perhaps chopping people's heads off?  So many choices.

#### gravityblock

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##### Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #47 on: April 30, 2016, 06:58:52 PM »
Japanese scientists fire a 2 quadrillion-watt laser, the most powerful ever!

* Chicago's Soldier Field Glows Green at the same moment Japan fires this green laser (the Laser Bounces off the sky-dome and reflects light down onto Chicago's Soldier Field).

Did Japan just Prove to the World that our World is a Domed Flat Earth without realizing it?

Gravock

More evidence supporting a dome flat earth.

Here's an experiment using a glass dome bowl, with a lighter to simulate the sun, and then footage of the sun on the dome replicating the exact same effects on the glass bowl. The weakness of this experiment is the size of the bowl in comparison to the lighter, the lighter is too bright compared to the sun, never-the-less we see perfect mimicking of this sun-dome-reflection.

At the 22 minute mark it's shown how this isn't a rare phenomenon, but happens every day.  It has to do with the location of the observer and the sun's movement / location at the time of the reflection, as is shown with the glass bowl experiment, and not ice particles.

Gravock

#### gravityblock

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##### Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #48 on: April 30, 2016, 07:26:17 PM »

But, as most of us already know, water does find its own level...AS relative to the center of the mass of the earth at any given point.  I can have a perfectly vertical pole mounted in my yard and Stefan can have the same thing in Germany yet, our poles will not be parallel.  This proves that the earth is not flat as you claim.  That bridge is curved and the engineers that designed it know that to be a fact.

This is getting ridiculous responding to these assertions that were disproven thousands of years ago.

Bill

Yes, I think we all agree that water finds it's own level, thus you need to prove that the water bends to the surface of the earth in order for the mast of the ship to appear before the hull.  This has nothing to do with the curvature of the bridge itself.  The bridge may be curved, but not the water below it.  Please show the curvature of the water in order for the mast to appear before the hull as the ship approaches.

In a spherical earth model, tall buildings will appear to be crooked and bent towards the horizon due to the curvature of the earth.  However, this isn't the case, as we can see in this video titled, "Seeing Toronto From 30 Miles Away - The Earth is FLAT!"  Also note how the horizon is always flat with no curvature because the earth is flat as shown in the video.

Gravock

#### Pirate88179

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##### Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #49 on: April 30, 2016, 07:55:58 PM »
Yes, I think we all agree that water finds it's own level, thus you need to prove that the water bends to the surface of the earth in order for the mast of the ship to appear before the hull.  This has nothing to do with the curvature of the bridge itself.  The bridge may be curved, but not the water below it.  Please show the curvature of the water in order for the mast to appear before the hull as the ship approaches.

In a spherical earth model, tall buildings will appear to be crooked and bent towards the horizon due to the curvature of the earth.  However, this isn't the case, as we can see in this video titled, "Seeing Toronto From 30 Miles Away - The Earth is FLAT!"  Also note how the horizon is always flat with no curvature because the earth is flat as shown in the video.

Gravock

I give up.  I blame the government take over of the school system in the 1960's.  The dept. of education (what an oxymoron) needs to be eliminated in the US as we were doing much better without it.  Back in the 1950's (prior to the dept. of education) a high school grad could do math, read, write and speak excellent English and could find employment because they had marketable skills.  Now...not so much.

I am done.  You have defeated me with your ignorance of ordinary scientific principles.

Bill

#### MileHigh

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##### Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #50 on: April 30, 2016, 08:08:33 PM »
In a spherical earth model, tall buildings will appear to be crooked and bent towards the horizon due to the curvature of the earth.  However, this isn't the case, as we can see in this video titled, "Seeing Toronto From 30 Miles Away - The Earth is FLAT!"  Also note how the horizon is always flat with no curvature because the earth is flat as shown in the video.

Gravock

+GARY IS RIGHT! -   "Hence the earth's surface curves at approximately 8 inches per mile. "

You are correct!  But that has nothing to  do with bulge height, as I demonstarted to you several times now-  https://app.box.com/shared/static/ahx720tackf31cfq4fttxhn9g62po3ks.jpg   but you keep ignoring.

The irony is that there are many flat-Earthers attempting to prove flat earth by showing how distant objects are visible over many miles.  And then there are others attempting to prove flat Earth by showing how distant objects are obscured over many miles, and claim it is due to perspective.  But those are contradictory arguments.    If Toronto appears too visible over many miles, then it proves flat earth.  And if Toronto appears too obscured, that also proves flat earth, due to perspective.   Circular sliding confirmation goalposts reasoning bias.

+norskemann1 " Wouldnt the buildings "merge" with the horizon?  Maybe if he zoomed back out a little?"

No.  Changes in magnification only cause your view to appear larger or smaller.  It will not cause more distant objects to seem to slide behind closer objects.  Here are photo examples showing how increased magnification does no change apparent ship height over horizon- https://app.box.com/shared/static/okkxhn8hir9zoy93ylmbfuhl1sgadamh.jpg   Parallax occurs with a physical change in position of the observer or the objects.   For example, even slight changes in altitude of the observer changes how far you can see over the curved horizon- https://app.box.com/shared/static/h0pbihdpy7n5nuvszb9j6qiqbc2795cq.jpg  But there is no physical change in position with magnification.

If anyone insists on believing otherwise, then post your assertion in a photography forum for corroboration.

#### gravityblock

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##### Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #51 on: April 30, 2016, 08:09:41 PM »

I give up.  I blame the government take over of the school system in the 1960's.  The dept. of education (what an oxymoron) needs to be eliminated in the US as we were doing much better without it.  Back in the 1950's (prior to the dept. of education) a high school grad could do math, read, write and speak excellent English and could find employment because they had marketable skills.  Now...not so much.

I am done.  You have defeated me with your ignorance of ordinary scientific principles.

Bill

Don't give up, and don't fear the truth, for fear is just the uncertainty of the truth.  It's easier to deceive the masses than to convince them they have been deceived.  Ordinary scientific principles, which are inconsistent with reality, have been designed to deceive the masses by TPTB in order to keep us enslaved and to hijack humanity and God's creation.  The archons are a virus, and they're out to destroy the Image of God (mankind) and all things organic.

Gravock

#### MileHigh

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« Reply #52 on: April 30, 2016, 08:18:49 PM »
David Ridlin was also kind enough to clear up the "Eight inches per mile-squared" nonsense.  Some geometry for flat Earthers.

#### SeaMonkey

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##### Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #53 on: April 30, 2016, 08:19:41 PM »
Quote from: Pirate88179

Totally not true!  I have done this with a 400X zoom camera and, you still see the top part of the ship, or other object, as it approaches. Same with a sunrise or sunset.  Do you even try these things out for yourself or just believe them because you read it on the internet somewhere?

Aye, any sailor who's stood Bridge Lookout
Watch will vouch for that.  It is even easier
at night.  The first thing seen on distant approaching
ships on clear nights are the topmast running lights,
then as distance decreases the lower running lights
become visible.

#### MileHigh

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##### Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #54 on: April 30, 2016, 08:20:41 PM »
Don't give up, and don't fear the truth, for fear is just the uncertainty of the truth.  It's easier to deceive the masses than to convince them they have been deceived.  Ordinary scientific principles, which are inconsistent with reality, have been designed to deceive the masses by TPTB in order to keep us enslaved and to hijack humanity and God's creation.  The archons are a virus, and they're out to destroy the Image of God (mankind) and all things organic.

Gravock

I refuse to go to The Church of the Zombie Pod People.

#### DR.WHO

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##### Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #55 on: April 30, 2016, 08:50:25 PM »
Are you sure its 8 inch every mile ? and if its refraction why does the object not look curved like a rainbow ? Is it not right to say the horizon is both flat and curved as that fits with the quantum mechanics , a kind of quantised duality. For a second it looks flat than it looks curved than its looks flat haha .. The fact is you can not prove anything unless you dig a hole through it.

Any other observation can be argued till the cows come home .  Dont except anything unless you have permitted your mind to to consider that reality it self is on to the individual of ones own perspective ! The point is that it is more probable that the earth is flat and curved at close to the same time due to the conservation laws that permit a two dimensional universe to exist next to a three dimensional universe.

Remember a two dimensional mind would only see a flat earth ! This concludes that all flat earth people are flat hahahahahah I new these shadow people were real ahahah

#### gravityblock

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##### Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #56 on: April 30, 2016, 08:59:07 PM »

+GARY IS RIGHT! -   "Hence the earth's surface curves at approximately 8 inches per mile. "

You are correct!  But that has nothing to  do with bulge height, as I demonstarted to you several times now-  https://app.box.com/shared/static/ahx720tackf31cfq4fttxhn9g62po3ks.jpg   but you keep ignoring.

The irony is that there are many flat-Earthers attempting to prove flat earth by showing how distant objects are visible over many miles.  And then there are others attempting to prove flat Earth by showing how distant objects are obscured over many miles, and claim it is due to perspective.  But those are contradictory arguments.    If Toronto appears too visible over many miles, then it proves flat earth.  And if Toronto appears too obscured, that also proves flat earth, due to perspective.   Circular sliding confirmation goalposts reasoning bias.

+norskemann1 " Wouldnt the buildings "merge" with the horizon?  Maybe if he zoomed back out a little?"

No.  Changes in magnification only cause your view to appear larger or smaller.  It will not cause more distant objects to seem to slide behind closer objects.  Here are photo examples showing how increased magnification does no change apparent ship height over horizon- https://app.box.com/shared/static/okkxhn8hir9zoy93ylmbfuhl1sgadamh.jpg   Parallax occurs with a physical change in position of the observer or the objects.   For example, even slight changes in altitude of the observer changes how far you can see over the curved horizon- https://app.box.com/shared/static/h0pbihdpy7n5nuvszb9j6qiqbc2795cq.jpg  But there is no physical change in position with magnification.

If anyone insists on believing otherwise, then post your assertion in a photography forum for corroboration.

There's a 26ft. curve over a distance of 39 miles and you're claiming the CN tower is approximately 603ft below sea level.  The most it can be below sea level is 26ft. in a spherical model of the earth.  Try again!

Gravock

#### Pirate88179

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##### Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #57 on: April 30, 2016, 09:00:03 PM »
I used to fly airplanes. (Small private aircraft) I have flown in airplanes high enough (commercial airliner) to see the curvature of the earth.  It did not matter if I were going east/west or north/south, you could just make out the slight curvature at the horizon if you looked carefully.  So, do you believe what you read on the internet or your lying eyes?

Bill

#### gravityblock

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##### Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #58 on: April 30, 2016, 09:17:50 PM »
I used to fly airplanes. (Small private aircraft) I have flown in airplanes high enough (commercial airliner) to see the curvature of the earth.  It did not matter if I were going east/west or north/south, you could just make out the slight curvature at the horizon if you looked carefully.  So, do you believe what you read on the internet or your lying eyes?

Bill

You looked out of the aircraft through a thick window, which skewed your perspective on the true reality of things.  And you talk about being ignorant of general science principals, lol.  Here's an amateur rocket launch, which uses a non-fish-eye lens, and reaches an amazing height of 120,000 feet showing the earth is flat as a pancake!

Gravock

#### MileHigh

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##### Re: Is The Earth A Flat Round Disc or Is It a Round Spherical Globe?
« Reply #59 on: April 30, 2016, 09:38:44 PM »
There's a 26ft. curve over a distance of 39 miles and you're claiming the CN tower is approximately 603ft below sea level.  The most it can be below sea level is 26ft. in a spherical model of the earth.  Try again!

Gravock

Look at the diagram in post #54 and look at the pictures in post #52.  I have seen the image of the Toronto skyline sunken below the horizon myself.  So either the Earth is curved or the sky man-thing likes to play jokes on you and makes temporary giant sinkholes for his amusement.

You are clearly on the side of the lunatic fringe when it comes to this subject.