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Author Topic: Interesting free energy experiment.  (Read 16192 times)

Offline tinman

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Re: Interesting free energy experiment.
« Reply #45 on: April 29, 2016, 01:08:44 AM »
Tinman,




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I though you did make a claim, but off hand I don't know the details.
If I recall you did post your free energy on this forum, and claim the men in black came to your home.
I don't really know, but maybe you could explain it much better.

I made no claim at all.
I carried out some measurements as per MarkE and PWs request's,and showed the result's of those test.
There were no !men in black!. I had 2 women and 1 guy come for a !!friendly! chat,along with an invitation to WA-IT.

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Are you saying the over 100 experiment with a flywheel design is just like my design and theory, I don't think so.

The internal combustion engine work's like your theory-where a quick pulse of energy is sent and stored in the flywheel,and then during the 3 strokes(assuming we are looking at a 4 stroke engine)the engine is not producing power,the flywheel continues to deliver the stored energy to what ever load it is driving.

I myself have made such a setup using a solenoid driven electric engine,where a load is drawn from the flywheel when the prime mover is switched off.

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Most have not even try use my idea, so where does this one make it that same as others?
With my design of controlling input and output with a micro controller would be a far step ahead of what other have done.

A simple pulse motor work's in the very same way your design dose,where the coil(flywheel) is energized,and then a load is drawn from that stored energy during the off period of the pulsing coil.

But i look forward to your build and results,as they are always good.


Brad

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Re: Interesting free energy experiment.
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Offline TommeyLReed

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Re: Interesting free energy experiment.
« Reply #46 on: April 29, 2016, 01:22:43 AM »
Hi Tinman,

Not that you're wrong or right, but sometimes other have to take a shot at maybe a different way of doing the same experiment.

I do like those 3 phase dc motors you get out of washing machines, they seem like a good low rpm generator for this type of experiment.

We all have skills, I love building stuff, so it's not a waste at all. Just something different to try.

Tom

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Re: Interesting free energy experiment.
« Reply #47 on: April 29, 2016, 02:19:26 AM »
Hi Tom,

No my setup did not have a one way clutch bearing.   Also my system was pretty small.  My flywheel weight was about 10 pounds.  I did use a very efficient switching circuit using mosfets and mosfet driver chips for fast on and off times with very low voltage drop during the on times.  I also am looking forward to your build.  It will be interesting to see if you are able to get more out than in with a larger system.  Your builds are always impressive.  Thanks to you and Brad for sharing what you do.

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Offline tinman

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Re: Interesting free energy experiment.
« Reply #48 on: April 29, 2016, 06:32:43 AM »
Hi Tinman,

Not that you're wrong or right, but sometimes other have to take a shot at maybe a different way of doing the same experiment.

I do like those 3 phase dc motors you get out of washing machines, they seem like a good low rpm generator for this type of experiment.

We all have skills, I love building stuff, so it's not a waste at all. Just something different to try.

Tom

Yes,the smart drive motors are very efficient and have a lot of torque at low RPM.
They would be ideal for your DUT.
I am in the process  of getting all the parts together to build my grandsons an electric  gocart using one of those motors


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Re: Interesting free energy experiment.
« Reply #49 on: April 29, 2016, 11:05:25 AM »
Hi Tinman,

I would think it would work great with a homemade driver so each pulse could recover BEMF as the motor is running.

You could arrange the coil to run on lower voltage, don't know how many volts they use, but it's a dc pulse motor and maybe it could do better then a hub motor.

What a voltage they run on?

Tom.

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Offline tinman

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Re: Interesting free energy experiment.
« Reply #50 on: April 29, 2016, 11:32:10 AM »
Hi Tinman,

I would think it would work great with a homemade driver so each pulse could recover BEMF as the motor is running.

You could arrange the coil to run on lower voltage, don't know how many volts they use, but it's a dc pulse motor and maybe it could do better then a hub motor.

What a voltage they run on?

Tom.

There are 4 types-or series as we call them,then ther is the cogless ones as well,which make great wind generators. I will provide a link below for a video that explains the difference between them,but basically it's the voltage the motors run on. The early ones use low voltage motor's,which is nothing more than wires size and turn amounts per coil. The later models run on a higher voltage,and so have more turns per coil using smaller gauge wire.
I would look for a 100 or 80 series,as these were the lower voltage motors,and easier to parallel the windings to run them on 12 volts.

I would keep using AC to run them,as there a push/pull motor,and running them on pulsed DC causes a large drop in torque.

im not sure if you have fisher and paykel washing machines over ther,but maytag and whirlpool also use them-the smart drive motor.


 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLzHr0Qntgo


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Re: Interesting free energy experiment.
« Reply #51 on: April 29, 2016, 12:52:37 PM »
Hi Tinman,

I would think it would work great with a homemade driver so each pulse could recover BEMF as the motor is running.

You could arrange the coil to run on lower voltage, don't know how many volts they use, but it's a dc pulse motor and maybe it could do better then a hub motor.

What a voltage they run on?

Tom.

Motors come in many flavors, just about all can be used in various designs. One personal favorite is low rpm high voltage PMAC ... aka DC brushless. (see small photos of 11.8kw liquid cooled 600v 600rpm used in the "evidence" photo of yesterday & not put back up since)

BEMF recovery I've learned does indeed help but is not an absolute requirement, and you don't need to build it - save yourself TIME and just buy what you need. "They already exist".

I encourage you to take your TIME and read this on Engines vs. EN-GEN's http://www.backgauges.com/Gen-E-Sys%20II/en-gen.html - in it you will find it supplements what TINMAN wrote above.

On that page please notice the "The PMS 120 7kW is a very efficient motor, they are real and out there for you." Also a brushless used in my many designs/builds/research. With more to "share" it is all about TIME

Like DR WHO wrote: "unity first".

Best regards
 


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Re: Interesting free energy experiment.
« Reply #52 on: May 01, 2016, 05:15:40 AM »
Hi Tommey,

This is just an idea.

Get rid of the generator and turn the flywheel into the actual generator by using facing angled magnets on the perimeter. This is something I've been playing with, with interesting results. It's not new there are many patents that show a similar structure for reducing driving torque. I've attached a pic of my simple prototypes the larger one performs the best. By best I mean shorting out the generator coil (with iron core) and spinning barely cogs the rotor, even better with air core as your only dealing with friction losses and boundary effects.

Here are a couple patents of similar structure, there are many more if you search around.

Cogging reduction in permanent magnet machines
https://www.google.com/patents/US7385328

Permanent magnet dynamoelectric rotating machine and electric vehicle equipped with the same
https://www.google.com/patents/US6133662

Permanent-magnet-type rotating electrical machine
https://www.google.com/patents/US20090236923

Permanent magnet rotating electric machine and electric car using the same
https://www.google.com/patents/US7151335

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Re: Interesting free energy experiment.
« Reply #53 on: May 01, 2016, 01:28:21 PM »
HI Dream,

I think the real problem is magnet flux becomes weaker due to the angle.

The stronger the field the better the output, and greater input load.

I believe this magnet design I came up with might work even better.

It called a total flux generator with some moving parts.

Tom

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Re: Interesting free energy experiment.
« Reply #54 on: May 02, 2016, 10:54:52 PM »
Hi Tom,

I made a quick test to show the effect I'm seeing. Most conventional generators I have just stop after the motor is shut off with a load, this design will coast down. The output is reduced compared to a standard design but the trade off is being able to use a smaller motor at a higher rpm with a longer spin down time while still attached to the load.

Reduced cogging test
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwbKeiO0wng

I like your belt design, would those be ring magnets with a cable through the middle?

 

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