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Offline Lidmotor

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Re: DeBunk This
« Reply #45 on: April 30, 2016, 07:56:45 PM »
Take a small DC motor,, put really long leads on it,, hold the output shaft, power the motor,,

Hollow out the core in the motor seen in the video,, place a button battery inside that hollowed out core with a simple CF type switch,, one side of the battery is directly connected to the motor and the other goes through the switch and to the hollowed out rotor core,, the other input for the motor is connected to the motor shaft,, switch closes and the battery runs the motor and if the motor output shaft is held by the frame of the original motor it spins.

I have done this kind of thing so I could use the case of the motor as a larger pulley than the shaft.  Not so much the illusion thing,,

What has me stumped about the Chinese video is the large incandescent bulb on bright in broad daylight.  I think he has mains AC someway put into his setup.  The way he is carefully handling the wires indicates to me that he doesn't want to get zapped.  Having the kids nearby is pretty dangerous.  Just my opinion.  I think that I have figured out the two shaded pole setup.  The capacitor causes a phase shift.  If it is wired backwards perhaps the rig won't run (I'm guessing). Might be fun to build one up to try the theory.  You would still have to feed it with mains AC for it to run.

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« Reply #45 on: April 30, 2016, 07:56:45 PM »

Offline Lidmotor

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« Reply #46 on: April 30, 2016, 11:48:43 PM »
Looks can be deceiving,, is that a regular incandescent light bulb??

I have not seen a normal one light up the way it does,, how long should it take for the filament to go from orange to white??

A good magician makes the audience believe that the knife is real by play acting.

  Good valid points.  It is all about getting the audience TO BELIEVE!!!  Here is my latest video on using induction as a way to send the juice into a 'Free Energy' device.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcIf5RADDbI

Rusty



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Re: DeBunk This
« Reply #47 on: May 01, 2016, 12:16:38 AM »
  Good valid points.  It is all about getting the audience TO BELIEVE!!!  Here is my latest video on using induction as a way to send the juice into a 'Free Energy' device.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcIf5RADDbI

Rusty

Rusty:

Excellent!

I really think you have solved this.  Your method explains why it could be picked up, for a bit, and still keep running.

Induction.

Why didn't I think of that?

Bill

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« Reply #47 on: May 01, 2016, 12:16:38 AM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: DeBunk This
« Reply #48 on: May 01, 2016, 05:21:09 AM »
I've been telling you the same thing for years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9x2YfA9LU5s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb1UpX0-Q00
Of course I didn't have a 22 Farad supercap to play with for those demonstrations.

But here's one with a 10F supercap:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPt7xbmHXfY

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Re: DeBunk This
« Reply #49 on: May 01, 2016, 11:01:21 AM »
Ok-so where are the coils on the two motors that would couple with a coil under the table?
The only coils i see on the motors,are the two wound in a vertical plane,which would not couple to a coil under the table that would be in a horizontal plane.

Great to see those that can get LED's to light using wireless coupling,but lets see some one light an incandescent bulb wirelessly -one around the size of an auto tail light globe ;)


Brad

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« Reply #49 on: May 01, 2016, 11:01:21 AM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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« Reply #50 on: May 01, 2016, 11:20:48 AM »
Ok-so where are the coils on the two motors that would couple with a coil under the table?
The only coils i see on the motors,are the two wound in a vertical plane,which would not couple to a coil under the table that would be in a horizontal plane.

Great to see those that can get LED's to light using wireless coupling,but lets see some one light an incandescent bulb wirelessly -one around the size of an auto tail light globe ;)


Brad

In the first two videos in my post above I'm using a car dome light bulb, 12v 10W. Here's a photo of a #1157 brake light bulb (just using one filament) being lit up, just using random single-loop matching and a nonconcealed pickup system.  It's darn bright, I had to stop the lens down to get a reasonable exposure.

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« Reply #51 on: May 01, 2016, 11:25:46 AM »
I'm not totally convinced that the video in your first post is done using wireless power, but it is possible that the wiring used to connect the two motors together is the actual receiver loop (along with the capacitor, which is necessary!) Hidden in plain sight!

Also, you can get 12 volt bulbs in that common Edison-base style; don't think it necessarily has to be a 120 or 220 volt bulb.

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Offline tinman

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« Reply #52 on: May 01, 2016, 11:37:45 AM »
I'm not totally convinced that the video in your first post is done using wireless power, but it is possible that the wiring used to connect the two motors together is the actual receiver loop (along with the capacitor, which is necessary!) Hidden in plain sight!

Also, you can get 12 volt bulbs in that common Edison-base style; don't think it necessarily has to be a 120 or 220 volt bulb.

Edit-just seen your taillight bulb test ;)

Brad.


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Re: DeBunk This
« Reply #53 on: May 01, 2016, 11:57:08 AM »
As he doesn't  lift it from the bench,he can hide his supply wires very easily.


Brad

How about this one then?  I think he'd get the heck shocked out of him if this one was supplied by mains power through thin wires or such.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUb0Y24vDtc

I'm still not convinced about the wireless power system either, but I think this video pretty much rules out mains power getting to the bulb at least.


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« Reply #53 on: May 01, 2016, 11:57:08 AM »
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Offline MagnaProp

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Re: DeBunk This
« Reply #54 on: May 01, 2016, 12:08:57 PM »
How about this one...
I noticed a dot disappears from 1:30 - 1:31. Not sure if that gives any clues to how it was done. The dot appears to fade out quickly instead of instantly disappearing as I would expect from a switch-a-roo, so I'm not sure what's going on there. Maybe a video compression artifact?

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« Reply #55 on: May 01, 2016, 03:08:44 PM »
How about this one then?  I think he'd get the heck shocked out of him if this one was supplied by mains power through thin wires or such.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUb0Y24vDtc

I'm still not convinced about the wireless power system either, but I think this video pretty much rules out mains power getting to the bulb at least.

Well for a good portion of the video,he holds the device at right angles to the bench top. This would mean that any inductive coupling between a driver coil,and receiver coil is decoupled.
The two motors look un-modified to me,you can see both big rotors still turning as they should.
Even the shorted turns are still on both stator cores.

Lidmotor?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUb0Y24vDtc


Brad

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Offline Lidmotor

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« Reply #56 on: May 01, 2016, 08:05:20 PM »
Brad and TK
  This one we are looking at:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUb0Y24vDtc

  -----is still a major puzzle along with the Chinese one.  The induction explanation doesn't work for me because of the angles and distance.  I don't think that a hidden battery or super cap is the answer either.  If they are hiding a power feed wire then they are doing a really good job of it.  Perhaps it is video editing?  I have seen about three or four running example videos and two non-running failure videos.  I'm not seeing anything that shows a clear description of how this could possibly be real.  It is faked --but how?

--Rusty

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Re: DeBunk This
« Reply #57 on: May 03, 2016, 10:07:56 AM »
I think there's an edit at 3:45 just after he changes the "polarity" of the wire connection to the second motor. But that still doesn't explain how it's done.

I could do it, but not "simply". It would take a lot of work, cutting away the hidden parts of the cores inside the coils and stuffing things in there like a battery and some electronics. Somehow I doubt that this is how it's done; there must be a simpler system.

As far as wireless power is concerned, I'm not too worried about the orientation; I don't think there's any rule that says he has to be using a single wireless transmitter in just one plane!  But I'm still not completely convinced that is the answer, either.

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« Reply #58 on: May 03, 2016, 11:42:40 AM »
Well,we know for sure that it dose not work as claimed-dont we?
But as of yet,we dont know how it dose work,or how they do it. Some of the video's could be done,but some seem to be a little more tricky.

The last video you posted TK,looked to have some kind of paper mash around the bulb.
Perhaps a hidden power source in the bulb,but that still leaves the motor.

I have two of the very same shaded pole motors now,so i will keep at it until i can achieve the effect.

Brad

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Re: DeBunk This
« Reply #59 on: May 04, 2016, 01:52:36 AM »
  I am still working on this and today I got the idea that perhaps the rotors are not rotors but PM motors.  I threw together a little setup to test the idea and after working with it decided that this is not the way.  Too much cogging in the motors. :( I made a video to show what it looked like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCMBhTNfnz0

Back to the drawing board for me. 


Rusty

This is what I thought might have been used but I don't think so now.

 

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