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Offline Zeitmaschine

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Re: DeBunk This
« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2016, 09:30:23 AM »
The Frequency agitates the chemicals inside the CFL lamps and so the lamps glow. Nothing more.

Then what supplies the induction motor with 50Hz grid frequency? Let me know. So far my best guess is that the (thin) hot wires connected to mains were removed by software.

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« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2016, 11:24:47 AM »
This device was debunked about a year ago by a guy I subscribe to on youtube..  Another guy made the same thing using the same motors and, Electronicsnmore on youtube replicated it and, of course it did not work.  I will try to find his video and see if he figured out how the guy was faking it.  It was a while ago so it might take me some time. 

I think the light bulbs are self-powered and would light up if those leads were just clipped together.  This reminds me of the computer fan motor "free energy" devices made using batteries and reed switches.  Many folks made these and claimed they were real.

What the heck is wrong with people?

Bill

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Here is the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpHDSzVysTY
In it, he talks about 3 other guys that made the same thing.

Hi Bill

That video didnt show how it was done,so we are still yet to work it out.

In the video i posted,that was quite a large incandescent bulb,with a large filament . Do you relly think he could have had a battery that could provide the needed power to drive that bulb like it did ,inside the bulb it self?.

I-we know it's a hoax,as shaded pole motors do not work as generators. You may get some very small signal across the coil when you spin them,but that is just residual magnetism in the steel laminated sections of the rotor--but even that is doubtful ,due to the fact that those laminated steel rotor core sections operate in an AC environment.

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« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2016, 11:29:39 AM »
There is nothing in here. This is a high frequency jumping from the device to light up the lamp. you can do it with a commercial 10 watt Violet Ray device available for $40 (a Tesla coil of 10 watts) to light up another 5 watt CFL lamp placed near it. If the intensity of the coil is high like 600 watts Multiple wave oscillator then a large number of lamps placed between the two aerials over and above the 600 watts will glow. This is nothing but due to Frequency effect. I have checked if the lamp will provide a measurable voltage at its end and there is no voltage in such lamps as can be measured as DC or AC. The Frequency agitates the chemicals inside the CFL lamps and so the lamps glow. Nothing more.

The bulb in the video i posted is not a CFL,it is an incandescent bulb


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« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2016, 07:51:27 PM »
Hi Bill

That video didnt show how it was done,so we are still yet to work it out.

In the video i posted,that was quite a large incandescent bulb,with a large filament . Do you relly think he could have had a battery that could provide the needed power to drive that bulb like it did ,inside the bulb it self?.

I-we know it's a hoax,as shaded pole motors do not work as generators. You may get some very small signal across the coil when you spin them,but that is just residual magnetism in the steel laminated sections of the rotor--but even that is doubtful ,due to the fact that those laminated steel rotor core sections operate in an AC environment.

Brad

Brad:

Yes, sorry...it had been a while since I had watched his video and you are correct...he just debunked it but did not show how it could have been done.  I do not think it is a battery now but...I am suspicious of that paper on his table.  I wonder why that is there?

Bill

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« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2016, 07:59:06 PM »
The bulb in the video i posted is not a CFL,it is an incandescent bulb


Brad
   That is one thing that has me puzzled also.  That is a pretty big incandescent and it is on bright.  Somehow these guys are getting AC into that contraption. Using a feed wire and then photo shopping it out later is a possibility but I don't think so ---and thin wires couldn't carry that kind of current.  An inductive linkup is a possibility but when the guys pick up the motors and move them around I don't think they would keep running like they do.  My idea of a synchronous motor type linkup is possible but that wouldn't account for a light bulb (like that) on bright.  It is a puzzle for sure but a few people have figured it out.  I have seen several replication videos on YouTube.  Perhaps it is being done in different ways?  It is a puzzle.  Brad you are very right that a shaded pole motor will not work as a generator---AC or DC.  One guy claims that the rotor has to be modified with a ring magnet then you would get the right effects. The thing would still never self run.

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« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2016, 08:18:07 PM »
   That is one thing that has me puzzled also.  That is a pretty big incandescent and it is on bright.  Somehow these guys are getting AC into that contraption. Using a feed wire and then photo shopping it out later is a possibility but I don't think so ---and thin wires couldn't carry that kind of current.  An inductive linkup is a possibility but when the guys pick up the motors and move them around I don't think they would keep running like they do.  My idea of a synchronous motor type linkup is possible but that wouldn't account for a light bulb (like that) on bright.  It is a puzzle for sure but a few people have figured it out.  I have seen several replication videos on YouTube.  Perhaps it is being done in different ways?  It is a puzzle.  Brad you are very right that a shaded pole motor will not work as a generator---AC or DC.  One guy claims that the rotor has to be modified with a ring magnet then you would get the right effects. The thing would still never self run.

Lidmotor

It was a good one to start the thread off on.
I would like to see those video's of the few guys that have worked it out--if you have the links?.
The bulb is the big puzzle,as i found out tonight,i can get a 240 volt shaded pole motor to run slowly on 12 volts AC--so that part is doable,but the large incandescent bulb is not--still trying to work that one out ???


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« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2016, 08:20:27 PM »
Brad:

Yes, sorry...it had been a while since I had watched his video and you are correct...he just debunked it but did not show how it could have been done. I do not think it is a battery now but...I am suspicious of that paper on his table.  I wonder why that is there?

Bill

Wireless energy transfer crossed my mind,but not with that large incandescent bulb being lit up like that--that would require so large amount of EM radiation,and i dont see the kids smoking lol.


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« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2016, 08:57:41 PM »
Wireless energy transfer crossed my mind,but not with that large incandescent bulb being lit up like that--that would require so large amount of EM radiation,and i dont see the kids smoking lol.


Brad

Brad here is one where an incandescent bulb is used.  You can hear the 50-60 cycle hum and this guy's explanation of how the thing is working is laughable.  This looks like a pure induction method example to me. Coil under the table probably.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDnMODCdhB0

Here is one where a phony light bulb is used.  This one might be synchronous motor method or induction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUb0Y24vDtc

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« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2016, 12:23:35 PM »

Brad here is one where an incandescent bulb is used.  You can hear the 50-60 cycle hum and this guy's explanation of how the thing is working is laughable.  This looks like a pure induction method example to me. Coil under the table probably.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDnMODCdhB0

Here is one where a phony light bulb is used.  This one might be synchronous motor method or induction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUb0Y24vDtc

Lidmotor
Lidmor, HI prop type lite bulb or not, the motors are still running, what i want to know is, see other modification vid, does this mod work or not, I myself have no way to do this surgery to rotor and add magnets ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwMos1y1Peo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0-bK3s_6Nc&ebc=ANyPxKpYeZNEkaLuHZk102vg-5gvsJ2zT0l180LWJwDJ9u1RwrbtAeiMJvRX6h-0m-nR2dZcaaQu8XDCnaUSSpkFNaTwaS4xjw

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« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2016, 01:41:13 PM »

Brad here is one where an incandescent bulb is used.  You can hear the 50-60 cycle hum and this guy's explanation of how the thing is working is laughable.  This looks like a pure induction method example to me. Coil under the table probably.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDnMODCdhB0

Here is one where a phony light bulb is used.  This one might be synchronous motor method or induction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUb0Y24vDtc

Lidmotor

As he never lifts the motors from the desktop ,it would be easy to run small wires through the desktop,and straight to the motors. This one i could do easy,if i did not have to lift the motors from the benchtop. But in the one i posted,the guy is throwing the motors all over the place--and no sign of wires  ???.

I really want to debunk the one in the video i posted. I now have the two needed motor's,so now just trying to work out how to do it lol.



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« Reply #25 on: April 17, 2016, 08:10:51 PM »
As he never lifts the motors from the desktop ,it would be easy to run small wires through the desktop,and straight to the motors. This one i could do easy,if i did not have to lift the motors from the benchtop. But in the one i posted,the guy is throwing the motors all over the place--and no sign of wires  ???.

I really want to debunk the one in the video i posted. I now have the two needed motor's,so now just trying to work out how to do it lol.



Brad

   


I agree that it the Chinese one that needs to be replicated.  That is the hard one.  I shopped around yesterday for cheap microwave oven fan motors but I really don't want to spend much money on a project that is a fake.  I think hidden feed wires is the obvious answer as to how that one is done.  A lot of power has to be a delivered to it somehow.  Hidden button cells are not going to do it.

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« Reply #26 on: April 17, 2016, 09:50:53 PM »
When the light is connected to the unit,, with several strikes prior to a solid connection,, what would you expect to see from the second lead wire when it touches the contact??

If that was a "normal" light I would expect some kind of an arc,, as well as when you look at the light itself,, the filament,, it does not look to me like what I see when I screw in a light bulb that is a "normal" light bulb.

Well there are a few things we can all agree on about that particular light bulb. 
(A)  It is not an Fl or high voltage type
(B) It is not an LED type
(C) It is a filament type

He could have hidden a battery inside the bulb like what was suggested earlier and that would solve one part of the puzzle--- but enough to produce that kind of light in broad daylight?? Hidden batteries in the motor??  Maybe.  I'm wondering if that capacitor is even a capacitor.  It might be a lipo battery made to look like a cap.  It the rotors were modified into magnetic types to make a simple pulse motor, then that might be one way this 'illusion' is done.

It sure is a puzzle.
Lidmotor

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« Reply #27 on: April 26, 2016, 04:31:26 PM »
Well we will leave the first one for a while--time to think.

Here is the next Qmogen lol.
But this one has no wires running down through the leg's.
It runs for quite some time,and with no sign of slowing down.
He drives various loads from the generator.

The one thing that i noticed from the fist viewing of this video,was the very slow startup of the large motor-due to the large flywheel. That motor would have been drawing a lot of current during that time. But the small wires carrying the mains current to the motor did not get hot-so it would seem.
I think we should have seen some smoke :D,of a burnt out multi plug adapter.

Well anyway--here it is. The latest Qmogen from india lol--love there safety boots. ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAseG7z_GQo




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« Reply #28 on: April 26, 2016, 07:24:49 PM »
Brad
   It is another strange Motor/Generator "illusion" but once again ---how?  The big blue generator is probably where the trick is hidden.  It might not be a generator at all.  It is big enough to hold a car battery and a big inverter-----or under that tape on the 'Made in Italy" spec plate it says BEDINI.  Ha  ;D
   I like the blue PJs, sunglasses and bare feet.  In magic that is called 'misdirection'. 8)

Rusty

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« Reply #29 on: April 27, 2016, 02:48:35 AM »
Well, I agree with whomever said there could be a good sized battery in that box mounted to the blue motor.  Also, I have had many electric motors on machines in my machine shop, and the one he plugs in first would have blown any fuse, or flipped any breaker with how long it took to spin up.  It should have been like...1,2,3 boom...full rpm.  Now that flywheel, which is very nice by the way, would not allow that size motor to spin up that fast which is why it would have drawn too much and either blown the breaker or fried those wires, which look to be about 12 ga.

So, he has a 12 volt battery running the blue motor and I have no idea what the heck else he is doing there.  This guy reminded me of a foreign born Mylow for some reason, ha ha.  I have never seen a connector box that large on any motor on any machines I have ever owned, including one with a 50 HP motor on it. (Blanchard)

Bill

 

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