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Offline tinman

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DeBunk This
« on: April 15, 2016, 01:41:05 PM »
How about a thread dedicated to debunking free energy devices,where some members may like to build a replica,and show how it was done?--could be fun.
or if you have a thought on how it was done,then post it here,and we will see if it could have been done that way.

I offer the first device,and this one is pretty tricky.
We see to shaded pole motors-one i assume acts as a prime mover,and the other as a generator. We see only the two motors joined together--no wires,and no sign of a battery. It would have to be one hell of a battery to drive that incandescent  bulb anyway.
Watch carefully,and think hard--how is it done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwMos1y1Peo


Brad

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DeBunk This
« on: April 15, 2016, 01:41:05 PM »

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Re: DeBunk This
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2016, 02:50:08 PM »
Hi Brad,

I guess they use an open core transformer under the table fed from the mains and the fields from the open core can close via the motor cores and induce current in the motor coils. (An open core can be say a C core or an E core where the top I core is removed.)

Here is another similar video where the buzz from the open core transformer can be heard, see and hark at video time 1:00 when the guy 'switches' to full rpm:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDnMODCdhB0 

Addition: when the guy lifts up the motors in your video link, they are already rotating at a high enough speed so that the smaller fields from the open transformer beneath it is able to maintain rotation.

Gyula

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Re: DeBunk This
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2016, 03:22:59 PM »
Hi Brad,

I guess they use an open core transformer under the table fed from the mains and the fields from the open core can close via the motor cores and induce current in the motor coils. (An open core can be say a C core or an E core where the top I core is removed.)

Here is another similar video where the buzz from the open core transformer can be heard, see and hark at video time 1:00 when the guy 'switches' to full rpm:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDnMODCdhB0 

Addition: when the guy lifts up the motors in your video link, they are already rotating at a high enough speed so that the smaller fields from the open transformer beneath it is able to maintain rotation.

Gyula

I could relate to that,only that large incandescent bulb still stays brightly lit,even when the two coils of the motors would be at right angles to any transformer beneath the table. It would also have to be one hell of a transformer under the table to transmit that much Em energy.

Brad

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Re: DeBunk This
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2016, 03:22:59 PM »
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Offline Zeitmaschine

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Re: DeBunk This
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2016, 03:50:19 PM »
Hot wire removal by software editor? If done thoroughly, you will never detect it.

What about this one: Tesla Working Scheme #1 or that one: Tesla Working Scheme #2

The bottom line is: Don't trust a »one-man« video showing a free energy device. If not presented in front of independent observers it is most likely fake.

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Re: DeBunk This
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2016, 04:02:36 PM »
Hot wire removal by software editor? If done thoroughly, you will never detect it.

What about this one: Tesla Working Scheme #1 or that one: Tesla Working Scheme #2

The bottom line is: Don't trust a »one-man« video showing a free energy device. If not presented in front of independent observers it is most likely fake.

Regards

I dont trust anyone that claims to have a free energy device until i(or other 3rd parties) have tested it myself/them self.
Those kookie Russian devices are easily debunked. What im looking for,and hoping other will post,is the !harder! ones to explain--like this one,and the TPU in some cases.

This one is interesting because i do not think an open transformer or RF transmitter could transmit enough EM energy to light that large incandescent bulb-nor do i think that there is room enough in that setup to house a battery that could do the job either.


Brad

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Offline NRamaswami

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Re: DeBunk This
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2016, 04:32:44 PM »
Hot wire removal by software editor? If done thoroughly, you will never detect it.

What about this one: Tesla Working Scheme #1 or that one: Tesla Working Scheme #2

The bottom line is: Don't trust a »one-man« video showing a free energy device. If not presented in front of independent observers it is most likely fake.

Regards

There is nothing in here. This is a high frequency jumping from the device to light up the lamp. you can do it with a commercial 10 watt Violet Ray device available for $40 (a Tesla coil of 10 watts) to light up another 5 watt CFL lamp placed near it. If the intensity of the coil is high like 600 watts Multiple wave oscillator then a large number of lamps placed between the two aerials over and above the 600 watts will glow. This is nothing but due to Frequency effect. I have checked if the lamp will provide a measurable voltage at its end and there is no voltage in such lamps as can be measured as DC or AC. The Frequency agitates the chemicals inside the CFL lamps and so the lamps glow. Nothing more.

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Re: DeBunk This
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2016, 04:56:32 PM »
How about a thread dedicated to debunking free energy devices,where some members may like to build a replica,and show how it was done?--could be fun.
or if you have a thought on how it was done,then post it here,and we will see if it could have been done that way.

I offer the first device,and this one is pretty tricky.
We see to shaded pole motors-one i assume acts as a prime mover,and the other as a generator. We see only the two motors joined together--no wires,and no sign of a battery. It would have to be one hell of a battery to drive that incandescent  bulb anyway.
Watch carefully,and think hard--how is it done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwMos1y1Peo


Brad


Maybe two lithium battery's as the core under the fake coil's and a simple dc motor to drive the rotors.
The bulb is low voltage, 12v because the kid touches it.

 

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Offline tinman

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Re: DeBunk This
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2016, 05:11:11 PM »

Maybe two lithium battery's as the core under the fake coil's and a simple dc motor to drive the rotors.
The bulb is low voltage, 12v because the kid touches it.

I did think about a DC motor being the drive motor,but there are two problems with that.
1st-if you watch the video in full screen,you can see that the two large rotors of a shaded pole motor are still inside the cores,and are both rotating when the pulley's are spinning .
2nd-why dose the system not start spinning when he connects the two wires to the second coil to complete the circuit--why dose it only start spinning when he gives it an initial spin start?.

Do you think that you could replicate and achieve the results show scratchrobot ?.


Brad

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Re: DeBunk This
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2016, 07:43:57 PM »
This one has me puzzled also.  I have been studying and building simple AC motors lately and you need quite a bit of power to do what is shown in this video.  A couple of hidden button cells or a transformer loop under the table isn't going to do it.  The incandescent light bulb still on bright while he twirls the motors in the air doesn't make sense if there is a simple induction linkup somehow. The high voltage capacitive linkup doesn't work for me either.  That is not going to give enough power unless you have a huge mega watt Tesla coil nearby.  The only thing that makes sense to me is a mains AC power feed wire hidden somehow.  That explanation doesn't account for the way the device has to be hand started and speeds up.  It is a puzzle.
  One of you guys should be able to figure this one out and build a replication.  I will be right behind you if you do.  I hate fakers.  They waste a lot of time and steal people's money.  If is done as an "illusion" I'm OK with that.  Then it becomes a fun trick that sometimes leads to more real research into that area.
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Re: DeBunk This
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Re: DeBunk This
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2016, 09:02:43 PM »
I did think about a DC motor being the drive motor,but there are two problems with that.
1st-if you watch the video in full screen,you can see that the two large rotors of a shaded pole motor are still inside the cores,and are both rotating when the pulley's are spinning .
2nd-why dose the system not start spinning when he connects the two wires to the second coil to complete the circuit--why dose it only start spinning when he gives it an initial spin start?.

Do you think that you could replicate and achieve the results show scratchrobot ?.


Brad


Maybe a very small dc motor inside or besides the rotor? The dc motor is to small to self start?
Or he puts some magnets in the rotor and made a pulse motor, you have to give it a spin.


Yes i think i could replicate it if i wanted, but an Akula device would be more easy to replicate  ;D


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Re: DeBunk This
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2016, 09:40:19 PM »
How about a simple pulse motor like the Bedini SSG and the magic bulb like the video just posted?  It wouldn't take much of a battery to turn one of those rotors as a pulse motor.  And if it had a magnet for a rotor and used another coil as the trigger coil it would have to be spun up to get it started.  The one coil is wrapped so it could be a bifiler coil for the trigger and run winding.  The battery and transistor could be inside the other coil.  Or the other way with the battery and transistor in the wrapped coil.

Sorry about the comment about a wrapped coil.  I just realized that was a different video.  But some clever machine work could put the parts into the inside of either coil.

Carroll

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Re: DeBunk This
« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2016, 10:50:44 PM »
You guys are coming up with some good ideas.  There might be several ways the 'illusion' is being done.  I am still going with AC mains power somehow getting into the thing.  Here is a something I tried today that uses the AC synchronous motor method. I don't think that this is exactly how it is done but it is one way someone could fake a free energy device.
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-qgjY0O_yQ
 I'm am sure that some of the great builders on this forum could replicate that self-running duel shaded pole motor setup --if they wanted to. ;D
--Lidmotor

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Re: DeBunk This
« Reply #12 on: April 16, 2016, 12:27:55 AM »
Hi Folks,

There is another video from the same guy I gave a link in my above post earlier and in this other video he shows a rotor which was equipped with a ferrite ring magnet, The magnetization direction is not mentioned for the ring magnet. 
Now if an open core mains transformer or just an AC driven multiturn coil (as Lidmotor showed above) is placed under the table, perhaps the rotor magnet could be influenced for rotation.  Here is the video showing the rotor with a ring magnet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0-bK3s_6Nc   (it would be enough to have a ring magnet in one of the motors only)

There is another possible explanation what the maker of this video says near the end of his video (at 9:16 and onwards), he thinks the guy uses very thin enameled wires leading to the motor connections and those wires cannot be seen in the faked video due to the not so high video resolution and the background chosen for the setup under the motors. And he says the fine wires may be driven from a (light) dimmer which is handled by a second person by turning the knob as the speed up illusion needs it. See the video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpHDSzVysTY

This latter thin-wire-driving the motors could explain the working of the 25 - 40 W incandescent lamps connected occasionally in parallel with the motor coils (unless the lamps are faked ones too as Webby referred to it).

Gyula

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Re: DeBunk This
« Reply #13 on: April 16, 2016, 01:37:14 AM »
How about a thread dedicated to debunking free energy devices,where some members may like to build a replica,and show how it was done?--could be fun.
or if you have a thought on how it was done,then post it here,and we will see if it could have been done that way.

I offer the first device,and this one is pretty tricky.
We see to shaded pole motors-one i assume acts as a prime mover,and the other as a generator. We see only the two motors joined together--no wires,and no sign of a battery. It would have to be one hell of a battery to drive that incandescent  bulb anyway.
Watch carefully,and think hard--how is it done.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwMos1y1Peo


Brad

This device was debunked about a year ago by a guy I subscribe to on youtube..  Another guy made the same thing using the same motors and, Electronicsnmore on youtube replicated it and, of course it did not work.  I will try to find his video and see if he figured out how the guy was faking it.  It was a while ago so it might take me some time. 

I think the light bulbs are self-powered and would light up if those leads were just clipped together.  This reminds me of the computer fan motor "free energy" devices made using batteries and reed switches.  Many folks made these and claimed they were real.

What the heck is wrong with people?

Bill

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Here is the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpHDSzVysTY
In it, he talks about 3 other guys that made the same thing.

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Re: DeBunk This
« Reply #14 on: April 16, 2016, 05:47:40 AM »
Found this device interesting a few months back. Started finding more and more replications of it. Looked like it might be possible as I was also starting to look at the Daniel McFarland Cook coil patent as well. Looked like there might be some similarities there.

Then I came across one replication video with that distinctive indian guys voice that does a lot of fake OU videos and quickly lost interest.

Looks like plenty of places to hide a battery in the coils or bulb. Perhaps an off camera coil putting out energy. With the number of replications I have seen, I don't think there is a wire that was taken out digitally.

 

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