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Offline mrsean2k

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #660 on: November 29, 2013, 01:50:13 AM »
True that last part, but the first part is not entirely correct.
It is conceivable (in dreams) that the "free energy" coming in could equal the system's losses at some speed before the ball flies off the track, and then the ball will maintain a constant speed, or at least a constant loop time, around the track. You can check my latest video for an illustration of this. I'm putting in just the same amount of energy that is being dissipated in losses, so the ball reaches and maintains a constant loop time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CKf5dUBmIU
This apparatus, with some extra smoothing and levelling, now maintains a consistent loop time of under 2 seconds. I've seen loops of under 1.7 seconds and haven't yet had the ball fly off the track.

And in answer to "where's elecar"... he's posting garbled links in another thread to Yet Another Battery-Powered Free Energy Device. Not quite what he promised, is it?

ETA: The Tornzee video on the train track, _ad supported_ and comments disabled, is definitely fake, you can even see the splice point as the ball passes thru the 9 o'clock position. Forget the ball and watch the color of the purplish blot at top left.

WRT your interesting SNOT, as I have been banned from comment these last few years, Ill stick one here if its not too OT;

Deslomeslager of a week ago was the first thing that springs to mind; in anything except a straight parallel track, there will not only be rolling friction, but the bearing will be dragging / slipping on one side or the other and effectively rotating in a plane parallel to the board. Its attempting to travel a different distance on each side after all, about 6cm difference for rails of radius 19cm and 20cm for instance.

As the magnet lifts the ball slightly out of the track, the friction / dragging will be reduced on the opposite side for a period.

I think that also suggests an easy way to test; if you try the same experiment with a track of much smaller / much larger radius, the difference in distance on either side will change, and the relative effect of the magnet will be increased / reduced as the tendency to twist changes.

There would come a point where the magnet will actually scrub more energy off the ball as it will induce a twist with corresponding increased drag where there would have been none (and eddy currents as already mentioned). I think.

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #660 on: November 29, 2013, 01:50:13 AM »

Offline LibreEnergia

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #661 on: December 09, 2013, 01:39:03 PM »
Since Elecar never got back to me with a video I would consider genuine I have posted the faked video here http://youtu.be/SIL_MiuFmHE on you tube. You don't even need to analyse it to the extent that I did. Evidence of the splice is visible simply by viewing it.

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #662 on: December 09, 2013, 09:36:10 PM »
Since Elecar never got back to me with a video I would consider genuine I have posted the faked video here http://youtu.be/SIL_MiuFmHE on you tube. You don't even need to analyse it to the extent that I did. Evidence of the splice is visible simply by viewing it.

I looked at the video again and I can see the identical sequences.

It is a shame, Elecar did interesting research but his will to do the impossible overtook him and he got a bit carried away.

He tried to back paddle by saying he never said that it is a true self looping SMOT, just many rounds. He talked of about 12 to 20 rounds, which was again over confident.

So be it, may be he comes back and shows what he realy has. It might be good, if not OU.

I wish people were a bit more realistic. Many interesting things are presented, but it is very bad how fast people jump to irreal conclusions.

Greetings, Conrad

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #662 on: December 09, 2013, 09:36:10 PM »
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Offline maw2432

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #663 on: December 09, 2013, 11:51:07 PM »
What "I"  found interesting about this approach was the use of the "back" energy that elecar refered to in his posts.  I hope he comes back and shows us a working smot.
Bill
 

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #664 on: December 21, 2013, 03:29:59 AM »
I looked at the video again and I can see the identical sequences.

It is a shame, Elecar did interesting research but his will to do the impossible overtook him and he got a bit carried away.

He tried to back paddle by saying he never said that it is a true self looping SMOT, just many rounds. He talked of about 12 to 20 rounds, which was again over confident.

So be it, may be he comes back and shows what he realy has. It might be good, if not OU.

I wish people were a bit more realistic. Many interesting things are presented, but it is very bad how fast people jump to irreal conclusions.

Greetings, Conrad

Conrad:

I really admire your attitude.  You appear to be a really good guy.  I agree with your observations of this saga.  Sometimes folks feel they are so close to getting it that they fudge a bit.  I forgive this much easier than someone who wants to sell something that does not work to other unsuspecting persons.  It is still sad but, I agree with what you posted.

Bill

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
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Offline DreamThinkBuild

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #665 on: December 21, 2013, 08:19:43 AM »
Sorry for delay, for those who wrote earlier been very busy.

Hi Maw2432, Truesearch, Lumen.

Thanks.

Hi All,

These are just some observations from my simple experiments.

- A ball going up an inclined ramp and falling off due to a break or end will lose energy because it is being pulled back by the magnet. It's too close to the field.

- A ball going up a the ramp but has an incline to one side, the ball starts to arc away. This adds a spin to the ball which you can see when the ball hits a stationary object. The best track length to observe this effect 3/4 straight track and the end 1/4 the incline. For a 6" track = 4.5", last 1.5" incline.

- A 2cm diameter steel sphere placed on the track at an incline will push a 4cm diameter glass marble up the slope. When the sphere stops at the end the marble will continue for a while depending on magnets and slope. With a 6" ferrite bar magnet. I tried to get the 2cm sphere to push a 8cm diameter marble garden sphere but it didn't budge. :)

- I've tried to get two ramps parallel with no luck. The cross fields for the smaller track have been interfering with each other and the fields each have their own non consistent falloff which means one design that works fine for one set of magnets won't work fine for the next set.

- Using a magnetic field detector when you place the steel ball next to a north facing magnet the outside of the sphere will read N and the inside S. As you pull the ball further away from the magnetic field at a certain distance you can no longer measure the north on the furthest side of the sphere but you can measure just the south on the side pointing towards the magnet. This is the breakaway distance.

- I find ferrite magnets are very loose in the field, more of smooth pull than a sharp pull like neos.

- Ferrites have one issue which makes them very hard to work with. The same sized magnets field strengths are inconsistent. This can be tested with the effect above by slowly pulling the sphere away from the magnet and measuring the distance when you start to lose the north field. At around 1.5-2cm with a +/-5mm error was observed from supposedly the same 1"x2"x1/4" block magnets. This may not seem like a lot but when you want to arc away it becomes important, one set will work fine and then next you would have to completely re-measure for the next set.

- Kind of off this topic but I placed the steel sphere at the gate of the MMD track and it pulled the sphere in to the end and stopped. This opens an idea of front loading the MMD rotor with a steel wedge to get it to pull just enough in the gate to get the stronger repelling fields to push it out. It's an untested idea.

Found this patent which is something similar, using steel spheres to give a forward attraction event through the gates once past the gate the repulsion from the magnets takes over to next gate.

WO2011015693: LINEAR TRANSPORT SYSTEM BY MEANS OF PERMANENT MAGNETIC FIELDS   
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?CC=WO&NR=2011015693A2&KC=A2&FT=D

Hopefully some of these observations can inspire a new idea. Right now I don't see it as generating the kind of power to lower the utility bill which is my overall goal.

Sometimes you have to build a problem to see the problem. Happy holidays. :)

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #666 on: February 24, 2016, 06:10:49 PM »
   I had a theory that if you placed  SMOTS ( or v-gates, or railguns, etc ) all in a single file,  right around a perfectly flat planet,  that it could possibly be a perpetual-motion device.

   So, could that be an experiment for space, to put a perfectly round structure in space,  and then put a single file of SMOTS ( or v-gates, or railguns, etc ), and see if it would function .

   But, maybe it could actually be done on earth.
      -  You could put the SMOTS ( or v-gates, or railguns, etc ) on their sides,  all in a single file,   in a large circle,   and,  maybe the metal-ball  could be placed  into a magnetic-sled  that would glide-above  the stators .
          You could possibly adapt the  magnetic-sled  I posted on   http://overunity.com/16295/all-permanent-magnet-complete-levitation/msg469597/#msg469597

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #667 on: April 04, 2016, 10:56:30 PM »
To date no one has looped a SMOT,...

Have you tried SMOT without magnets? I have some examples of a proven experiment at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzbuVeHXDrA

Worth a try.

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #668 on: April 05, 2016, 12:26:06 AM »
Have you tried SMOT without magnets? I have some examples of a proven experiment at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzbuVeHXDrA

Worth a try.

A SMOT without magnets would be a SOT.
 
Bill

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #668 on: April 05, 2016, 12:26:06 AM »
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Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #669 on: April 05, 2016, 04:44:26 AM »
Have you tried SMOT without magnets? I have some examples of a proven experiment at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzbuVeHXDrA

Worth a try.

No, you don't.

Offline AlienGrey

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #670 on: April 05, 2016, 10:41:55 AM »
SMOT, not another useless idea ? this has a sort of Doc Cox thing about it ;) Self Magnet Over T, what does that mean ? Self-winking Magnetic over unity T ?.
  hA, hA, hA, ;)
Self Looping Magnetic over unity T, t what ? ;))))) still ain't Smot !

Oh I know how about dumping the hidden battery and having a swing generator, anyone thought of that ? it's resonance oh but not a self-starter oh well back to the drawing board! ;)

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Re: Building a self looping "SMOT"
« Reply #670 on: April 05, 2016, 10:41:55 AM »
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