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Offline hartiberlin

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Re: New gravity motor from China
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2006, 09:27:17 AM »
Hi,
yes, this is a very good idea !
Only 2 shutting plates needed !
One at the top and one at the buttom of the water tube !
When the float is inside the tube, you shut the lower plate and
open the upper plate and voila the float rises to the top
and can exit easily and fall down again on the chain.
Then first the upper plate has to be closed again and then the lower
plate has to be opened again.

This will be a working gravity mobile !

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Re: New gravity motor from China
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Re: New gravity motor from China
« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2006, 09:47:55 AM »
my spin on the valve idea...

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Re: New gravity motor from China
« Reply #17 on: November 07, 2006, 09:54:30 AM »
Because of the fast fall time in air and slow rise time in water you will need an excess of "float weights" in the tube ready for the chain. I would assume with good timing on the valves and enough "floating weights" in que the concept would be a self running device.

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Re: New gravity motor from China
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Re: New gravity motor from China
« Reply #18 on: November 07, 2006, 10:01:32 AM »
hehehehe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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Re: New gravity motor from China
« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2006, 10:48:48 AM »
:)
« Last Edit: March 30, 2007, 08:51:50 AM by FreeEnergy »

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Re: New gravity motor from China
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Re: New gravity motor from China
« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2006, 07:01:11 PM »
Hi Dingus,
many thanks for making this nice animation !
 Yes, I think with this method it will really work !
Maybe we can communicate this to the Chinese inventor, so he can implement this ?
Would be nice, if he could join over here, if he can write and read english language.

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Re: New gravity motor from China
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2006, 07:25:21 PM »
Hi Dingus Mungus,
Nice idea except that you seem to be totally ignoring the displacement of water.
As the buoy exits the tube you show it floating upwards without leaving a lack of water in the chamber you have just sealed off.

Am I the only one that thinks idea can never ever work.
I don't want to sound negative, but you cannot get any excess energy out of buoyancy devices, period.

You must think of the buoy as a bubble of air, once it enters the bottom of the tube you displace a volume of water equal to the buoy volume and therefore you are stuck, you cannot escape this fact.

Regards

Rob

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Re: New gravity motor from China
« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2006, 07:40:57 PM »
Hi Rob, hmm, I think you are right. That is a problem. The float displaces water out of the tube, when it goes in at the bottom and finally, when it exits at the top this much water then is missing inside the tube.... Hmm, can we find a way around it ?

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Re: New gravity motor from China
« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2006, 08:28:02 PM »
i think it also all depends on the float's shape and how it dives into the water. because as it dives air bubles goes in with it. now if the shape and dive is right we can eliminatethe bubles from going into the tube.

the float would be something like 12 inches by 1 inch. i dont know.

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Re: New gravity motor from China
« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2006, 08:38:11 PM »
also the drop of the float should be enough to pump water back up again.

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Re: New gravity motor from China
« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2006, 10:36:56 PM »
@FreeEnergy

unfortunately not.

Think about it.
When the float enters the tube from the bottom,
it displaces the same amount if water inside the tube, it
itsself has as its volume.
So after it has gone out of the top,
there is exactly this volume less water inside the tube..
Then this volume of water has to be pumped again into the tube,
but that needs again as much energy as was won,
when the float did rise to the top.
As the water is also heavier than the float,
indeed we need more energy to pump the water up
to the top.

The only trick I can think of is, to get the water up there
in a different fashion or only from a higher level, so you need
not to transport it from the lower level to the highest level
or don?t  use a hose to do it to overcome the hydrostatic pressure paradoxon...


Hmm, this is really a hard question to solve this puzzle...

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Re: New gravity motor from China
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Re: New gravity motor from China
« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2006, 11:36:07 PM »
Hi Rob, hmm, I think you are right. That is a problem. The float displaces water out of the tube, when it goes in at the bottom and finally, when it exits at the top this much water then is missing inside the tube.... Hmm, can we find a way around it ?

Actually no... the three valve animation does take displacement in to account because of the negative pressure require to maintain the water level. I will further explain with some diagrams tonight when I'm done here at work.

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Re: New gravity motor from China
« Reply #28 on: November 08, 2006, 04:31:53 AM »
 I think that if they use a lid in the bottom part that is going to open upwards only when they drop the weight in the water then the weight starts to go up is going to push the lid up(lid does'nt need to be heavy)and when it passes thru, lid goes back down closing the entrance.
at this time they can let go of the vaquum valve wich is going to release the water back down and the weight of the water is going to seal the bottom lid. as the weight goes up, the top lid opens upward because now there is no pressure inside and now they can use another way to pull the weight out and put it back in the chain. At this point in time they have lost the volume of water equal to the volume of the weight.but like i said before maybe if they make the system high enough they have plenty of power to pump the water back inside thru the same entrance in the bottom and at the same time the pressure from sucking water back inside is going to keep the top cover seal.
I do'nt know.

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Re: New gravity motor from China
« Reply #29 on: November 08, 2006, 05:33:59 AM »
Hi Rob, hmm, I think you are right. That is a problem. The float displaces water out of the tube, when it goes in at the bottom and finally, when it exits at the top this much water then is missing inside the tube.... Hmm, can we find a way around it ?

Actually no... the three valve animation does take displacement in to account because of the negative pressure require to maintain the water level. I will further explain with some diagrams tonight when I'm done here at work.

Dingus you could be probably right.
It seems to require then every time to have at least 2 floats inside the tube at the
same time, right ?
And it also needs exactly your setup with the 3 shutting door plates,
right ?

 

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