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Author Topic: Karpen Pile  (Read 17892 times)

Offline profitis

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Re: Karpen Pile
« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2015, 12:52:08 PM »
''I have several dry cells  where the caustic or base elements are "excellent" for energy transfer   Aluminiumsilicates & sodium carbonates .''

Unfortunately corrosion resistance limits one to these alkaline based electrolytes but there are a few metals that resist acid conditions beside platinum/gold eg tantalum,niobium,certain conducting oxides.what are your anodes composed of if I may ask? Becareful if copper.copper is a tricky thing and if too wet or too acid it corrodes allway down sloooowwwllyy(CO2 + water vapour).the thing about slow corrosion is if the cell is exposed to air it will go on corroding a looonnngtime but if perfectly sealed off from atmosphere it can't do this for more than a few days/ months

Offline plengo

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Re: Karpen Pile
« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2018, 09:51:29 PM »
the thing about slow corrosion is if the cell is exposed to air it will go on corroding a looonnngtime but if perfectly sealed off from atmosphere it can't do this for more than a few days/ months


please elaborate on this last statement. I have cells perfectly sealed inside a transparent epoxy resin. They are running for over 5 years and still going just fine. Very, very, very stable voltage, up to 6 digits.


Fausto.

Offline profitis

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Re: Karpen Pile
« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2018, 08:52:56 AM »
'please elaborate on this last statement. I have
cells perfectly sealed inside a transparent epoxy
resin. They are running for over 5 years and still
going just fine. Very, very, very stable voltage, up
to 6 > > just go buy a lithium.same thing but if u start xtracting frommit...

Offline F6FLT

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Re: Karpen Pile
« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2018, 05:18:30 PM »
I experimented with Karpen piles a few years ago. An important point of these batteries is that the output voltage must increase with temperature, because the energy is supposed to come from the ambient heat, breaking the second law of thermodynamics.

Most of the documents, except patents, have been published at the French academy of science. I put his work here:
http://exvacuo.free.fr/div/Sciences/Dossiers/MaxwellDemon/index.php?q=karpen

All is in French except his patent 577.877 that I had translated.

I was rather enthusiastic about Karpen's ideas because I didn't see any theoretical flaws (once you accept that the second law can be circumvented). But unfortunately, my tests of heating the solution never showed any increase in voltage.
It is very difficult to conduct unbiased experiments due to oxidation of the electrodes and/or dissolution of the gases in the solution.

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Re: Karpen Pile
« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2018, 01:28:34 PM »
A new article that could give Karpen credibility: "A non-equilibrium system as a demon": https://arxiv.org/abs/1811.02453 .
A Maxwell demon could work when we are out of equilibrium conditions (scientists are the first to challenge their own laws). I must admit, it goes over my head. If someone understands, thank you in advance for explaining.